Where does excess fat go?

[2muttsmom]

Originally Posted by Polymerase

the baked cream is great!

Polymerase, I was just telling DH about this. Does it taste like/have consistency of a custard?

[Start]

Did anyone come to a definite answer on where dietary fat goes... can i get a quick synopsis if so... I've been consuming a lot of fat and am wondering if my body is attacking the dietary fat first or the stored fat, i believe i read that our bodies cant tell the difference between stored fat and dietary fat... in any event i'm wondering where my unused fat is going...

[ab1ht]

Start,

Good question.

Back on page 3 of this thread (before it went awry from thread-jackers *ahem*) I posted Colette Heimowitz's explanation. I summarized it as follows:

Fat is constantly being created and broken down. We digest it all (break it down). What we don't need gets dumped, but it doesn't get stored as fat since there is such a small amount of insulin in the blood.

When I say it gets "dumped", I mean in the form of ketones. Fat doesn't get excreted from the body.

I don't know for certain if this is totally correct, but it's the answer I'm sticking with.

[flatferenghi]

involving excess fat, or even better a FAT ZOMBIE movie "SPRAWL of the Dead". Love & Profits: FLATFERENGHI.

[Polymerase]

Originally Posted by 2muttsmom

Polymerase, I was just telling DH about this. Does it taste like/have consistency of a custard?

hi, ive actually never had reall custard...

the consistency of this is not like cheesecake, its more like a yogurt but not as liquidy. it is very smooth...

[lisabinil]

Originally Posted by Polymerase

hi, ive actually never had reall custard...

the consistency of this is not like cheesecake, its more like a yogurt but not as liquidy. it is very smooth...

That is a custard recipe you posted.

[Polymerase]

Originally Posted by Start

Did anyone come to a definite answer on where dietary fat goes... can i get a quick synopsis if so... I've been consuming a lot of fat and am wondering if my body is attacking the dietary fat first or the stored fat, i believe i read that our bodies cant tell the difference between stored fat and dietary fat... in any event i'm wondering where my unused fat is going...

basically.......


the excess fat is wasted, consumed, etc via futile cycles and uncouplers during oxidative phosphorylation.

some ways you can notice this: feeling more energetic, getting really hot/sweaty, etc.

[Polymerase]

Originally Posted by lisabinil

That is a custard recipe you posted.

ok then!

[metqa]

Originally Posted by Polymerase

basically.......


the excess fat is wasted, consumed, etc via futile cycles and uncouplers during oxidative phosphorylation.

some ways you can notice this: feeling more energetic, getting really hot/sweaty, etc.

Ohhhh! Now I see!
Poly, I love your explanations! Thanks for the fat suggestions. I think I'd like to try some of them myself. While I do enjoy meat, sometimes, I don't feel like it. And I get "accused" of being a vegetarian way too often.
I do like cream and I've survived off of eggs for weeks at a time, and I adore cocoanut bark. One of my favorite condiments is mayo, and I've got 3 Liters of Imported Olive Oil I need to take care of Your suggestions just may make it easier for me to get back on track and your explanations just might be enough to assuage the fears of my darling BF about how much fat I'm eating. He's a Skinny Minnie(Can he be a Minnie if he's a guy?) and doesn't understand.
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Maybe that should be Skinny Benny?[/COLOR]

[niciK]

if I eat to much fat I sweat like crazy and get really sick. I ate a lot of white castle hamburger pie and it make me really hot and sweat a lot also very sick . I pushed myself passed the point were I was comfortably full and kept eating. I know I didnt lose during thos 2 days, but I know the fat didnt get stored in my body.

[Polymerase]

Originally Posted by metqa

Ohhhh! Now I see!
Poly, I love your explanations! Thanks for the fat suggestions. I think I'd like to try some of them myself. While I do enjoy meat, sometimes, I don't feel like it. And I get "accused" of being a vegetarian way too often.
I do like cream and I've survived off of eggs for weeks at a time, and I adore cocoanut bark. One of my favorite condiments is mayo, and I've got 3 Liters of Imported Olive Oil I need to take care of Your suggestions just may make it easier for me to get back on track and your explanations just might be enough to assuage the fears of my darling BF about how much fat I'm eating. He's a Skinny Minnie(Can he be a Minnie if he's a guy?) and doesn't understand.
[COLOR="RoyalBlue"]
Maybe that should be Skinny Benny?[/COLOR]

I'm so glad my explanations have been helpful! I really like my fat! right now I have three types of butter in my fridge! just make sure if you do go really high fat you make sure to lower your protein intake (but no lower than 60 grams).

[Polymerase]

Originally Posted by niciK

if I eat to much fat I sweat like crazy and get really sick. I ate a lot of white castle hamburger pie and it make me really hot and sweat a lot also very sick . I pushed myself passed the point were I was comfortably full and kept eating. I know I didnt lose during thos 2 days, but I know the fat didnt get stored in my body.

yes! if i eat a lot of fat i get to the point where i absolutely can NOT eat anymore...something i don't feel if i eat carbs (obviously) or even a lot of protein.

like you, i will sometimes eat an exorbitant amount of calories, and as long as they are fat calories, i will not gain weight. i will either lose a bit or stay exactly the same.

[Start]

thanks for the responses guys.. one more question if the fat just leaves the body and has no adverse effects.. anyone know why the fat fast is limited to 1000 cals?

[metqa]

Originally Posted by Start

thanks for the responses guys.. one more question if the fat just leaves the body and has no adverse effects.. anyone know why the fat fast is limited to 1000 cals?

I think that it is to jumpstart the body into fat burning for people who's bodies are resistant to changing from carbs to fat for fuel. 1000 would be a great deficit for almost anybody and the body would have no choice but to quickly recognize the deficit and the lack of carbs and switch to burning fat in order to not starve. Not scientific, but that's the conclusion I got from reading the books.

[MrsJackSprat]

Originally Posted by metqa

I think that it is to jumpstart the body into fat burning for people who's bodies are resistant to changing from carbs to fat for fuel. 1000 would be a great deficit for almost anybody and the body would have no choice but to quickly recognize the deficit and the lack of carbs and switch to burning fat in order to not starve. Not scientific, but that's the conclusion I got from reading the books.

What she said.

[MrsJackSprat]

Originally Posted by metqa

I think that it is to jumpstart the body into fat burning for people who's bodies are resistant to changing from carbs to fat for fuel. 1000 would be a great deficit for almost anybody and the body would have no choice but to quickly recognize the deficit and the lack of carbs and switch to burning fat in order to not starve. Not scientific, but that's the conclusion I got from reading the books.

OK. Now that I have more time, I want to "spend" it on this answer.

I was looking in Atkins 72 for the answer earlier and couldn't find any references to the fat fast. I just got home, and I looked for it in my copy of DANDR. Lo and behold, there it was!

The "fat fast" is a modified version of the Keckwick Diet, so I Googled that. Here is an excerpt from an article I found:

Certain individuals are so metabolically resistant that only more intense dietary restrictions prove successful. Once medications, thyroid problems and candida are brought under control, almost all overweight people who diligently adhere to the Atkins Nutritional Approach™ will lose and keep off weight. But for the small group of people for whom it does not work, more extreme measures are necessary.

To help these metabolically resistant people, Dr. Atkins has modified what he calls "the most effective weight-loss eating pattern ever described." British researchers Alan Kekwick and Gaston Pawan developed it, and Frederick Benoit and his team confirmed its superiority in burning off fat, compared to an absolute total fast. This extreme diet consists of 1,000 calories daily, comprised of 90 percent fat. No other weight-loss regimen has matched its ability to burn off stored fat. Dr. Atkins modified the Kekwick diet to make it as enjoyable as possible and dubbed it the "Fat Fast." He tried it on scores of patients and found it often worked for those who were unable to lose weight in any other safe, drug-free way.

The Kekwick diet forces the body into lipolysis so it burns its stores of fat. Lipolysis cannot take place if there is a significant source of glucose. Since all carbohydrates and some protein convert to energy by way of glucose, eliminating almost everything but fat from the diet forces even the most resistant body into lipolysis. That explains the 90 percent dietary-fat component. Lowering the caloric intake accelerates the need to burn up body fat—thus the 1,000-calorie limit. (emphasis added)

The Fat Fast is one controlled carb program where you do have to count calories. You'll eat 1,000 calories a day, with 75 percent to 90 percent comprised of fat. Frequent feedings prevent hunger better than three meals a day, so you consume five feedings, perhaps one every four hours, comprising 200 calories each. Because of the high fat content and frequent feedings, very few people experience much hunger. The stumbling block for some people is the absence of conventional meals. But most are willing to stick with it for a few days, even if the food selections are unfulfilling.

Caution: The Fat Fast is actually dangerous for anyone who is not metabolically resistant. For people who lose weight fairly easily, the rate of weight loss is too rapid to be safe. But it carries very little risk for people who can barely lose on any other regimen.

[metqa]

Originally Posted by MrsJackSprat

OK. Now that I have more time, I want to "spend" it on this answer.

I was looking in Atkins 72 for the answer earlier and couldn't find any references to the fat fast. I just got home, and I looked for it in my copy of DANDR. Lo and behold, there it was!

The "fat fast" is a modified version of the Keckwick Diet, so I Googled that. Here is an excerpt from an article I found:

Arigatou, Mrs Sprat! (you didn't TYPE all of that did 'ya )

thats the same text I read but I was too lazy to root it out.

[MrsJackSprat]

Originally Posted by metqa

Arigatou, Mrs Sprat! (you didn't TYPE all of that did 'ya )

Nah.........................I copied and pasted from the article I linked in my last post.

[francine]

Originally Posted by sugarless4life

Mine pretty much dies when it hits the pavement.....

Betty

hahahahahahahahah!!!!!!!

[ambimorph]

In "The Ketogenic Diet", Lyle McDonald reports that very little calorie deficit can be accounted for by spilling ketones through the urine, breath, etc: a maximum of 100 calories per day, according to his references.

Michael Eades addresses the question of low carb and calories in this post:
Health & Nutrition by Michael R. Eades, M.D. » Low-carb and calories
and where extra fat might go in this post:
Health & Nutrition by Michael R. Eades, M.D. » Low carb and calories, part 2
-Am

[oobladee]

from an unlikely source, and unconfirmed at that: it was on my radio on the John Tesh program that some people (1 in 10) have a coating of cholesterol on their skin that attracts mosquitos.

things that make ya go hmmmm

[Margot 65]

OK i was re-reading GCBC last night, and found this:

'It has since been encapsulated in a German word, Luxuskosumption, which means a spendthrift metabolism that wastes excess calories as heat or superfluous physical activity.'

In essence some people who have this capacity.. burn off the excess calories through heat and energy, rather than store them.

If this is the case, then there are more than likely a population who do NOT have this capacity, and seem to be in a state of constant energy preservation. Meaning no matter how little or how much they eat, their body is always storing it rather than burning it off. This may be because they are biologically put together to be fat or obese, and they will continue to eat until they get there. This would also put them in a constant state of lethargy (AKA to some: laziness)

So, some people might eat and sit around until they ARE fat.. while others can eat and enjoy this 'Luxuskosumption' and remain thin.

This means to many, that obesity is NOT caused by overeating and lethargy, but in fact the other way around.


So, some people MAY need to watch their fat calorie intake, because they might be even more predisposed to this lack of Luxuskosumption, while others may luckily for them, somehow get this Luxuskosumption switch turned on, or partway on, so they can eat as much fat as they want and still lose weight. They find the right things to eat to make their body burn it off though heat and movement. (this is why so many feel 'so energetic' when they lose weight and eat well)


Now I am dizzy LOL

[Margot 65]

it appears that this Luxuskosumption might come from the ownership of the mitochondrial brown fat.

The Brown adipose tissue (BAT) is found in newborns and hibernating animals, and is is responsible for primarily maintaining body heat.

So, do these people who can eat more, have more of this Brown adipose tissue? Quite possibly.

from wiki:

Presence in adults

When growing up, most of the mitochondria (which are responsible for the brown color) in brown adipose tissue disappear, and the tissue becomes similar in function and appearance to white fat - as a mere fat deposit. However, recent studies[2] using PET scanning of adult humans have shown that it is still present in [COLOR="Red"]many [/COLOR]adults in the upper chest and neck.

So, this remaining presence of the mitochondrial BAT, MAY mean why some people CAN eat more while losing weight, and some plainly cannot.

And this might answer the question: where does the excess fat go?

some people store it, some people burn it off, and it might have something to do with this BAT.