Realization about my fat - Page 2

Ilpirata · 07-16-2008, 01:16 PM

Thats it.
I'm ordering them both today!
I'm convinced.

Kris T. · 07-16-2008, 01:21 PM

Yeah-I'm going to see if I can find it as well. It sounds so interesting and common sense, which is right up my alley! I'm glad it's been life-changing for you!

GME · 07-16-2008, 01:31 PM

Be aware that GCBC is not an easy read. It is full of good information and way documented, but it took me awhile to get through it and I'm getting even more out of it the second time.

I think Taubes missed an opportunity here. I was already inclined to believe him and really wanted to read his book and it was difficult. I don't think the casual reader or someone who believes the low fat/low cal ideas we have been brainwashed with will stick it out to get his message. I wish he would have made it a little easier to read.

Hardly anyone writes an original book anymore though, so there will probably be fifteen more with the same message out soon.

wifezilla · 07-16-2008, 02:19 PM

He targeted this book towards grad students. I read somewhere there has been talk of a simplified version, but whether or not anything comes of it will depend on book sales of GCBC I bet.

CurlyGirly · 07-16-2008, 02:44 PM

Based on the recommendations here, last night I ordered Barry Groves' book. I really wanted both his book and Taubes but I'm trying to cut back on the spending and only got one. Maybe I can get the other book next month! I'm hoping it will come in before I leave for a conference I have to go to next week.

Prozak · 07-16-2008, 02:48 PM

Barry Groves is a great jumping off point.

If you read his book first, Gary's is a little bit easier to follow.

I read Barry's Book in 3 days, Gary's I am only 1/3 of the way through and have been reading every night for about 2 weeks but it makes my brain tired LOL

somethingblue2u · 07-16-2008, 03:21 PM

Listening to Taubes lectures on the internet really makes reading the book a little more easy to follow. And he talks about stuff that his editors made him cut out of the book, the orignal book was about twice the size of what it is now. Could you imagine getting through that?! Eeek

whatjelly · 07-16-2008, 03:21 PM

It definately is not the easiest read... that's for sure...

Bluegenes · 07-16-2008, 04:29 PM

Personally, I liked the fact that Taubes book wasn't "easy" to understand. Reading the book didn't make me feel like Taubes was talking to me like a 10 year old. And he has references...real peer reviewed references. Not just some silly "recomended reading" section in the back of the book.

Biology isn't an easy thing to understand. I get very suspicious when someone trys to explain it as though it is.

Lynda99 · 07-16-2008, 04:37 PM

nanner nanner

Study: Low-carb diet best for weight, cholesterol - Yahoo! News

Prozak · 07-16-2008, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bluegenes

Personally, I liked the fact that Taubes book wasn't "easy" to understand. Reading the book didn't make me feel like Taubes was talking to me like a 10 year old. And he has references...real peer reviewed references. Not just some silly "recomended reading" section in the back of the book.

Biology isn't an easy thing to understand. I get very suspicious when someone trys to explain it as though it is.

Each of Barry Grove's chapters were followed with an extensive list of references and studies

Maybe you are talking about a different book?

whatjelly · 07-16-2008, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prozak

Each of Barry Grove's chapters were followed with an extensive list of references and studies

Maybe you are talking about a different book?

He said he was glad there were references, peer reviewed references... NOT just a bunch of recomended reading in the back....

I think you misread that

Prozak · 07-16-2008, 04:53 PM

ah I more than likely did, thanks!

ETA: but he was talking about Taubes book when he said that, he had mentioned Barry grove's book earlier in the thread (and was not a huge fan of it) so I was assuming THAT book merely had the 'recommended reading' at the back of it (which I don't think is the case).

Doug K · 07-16-2008, 05:12 PM

I read GCBC last year. I read an interview with Taubes about it, where he said that he'd decided to write it after the furious response he'd received over What If It's All Been a Big Fat Lie?, an article he wrote for the New York Times Sunday magazine in 2002. He'd been a science journalist for decades, but he got all these attacks on the grounds that, as someone who was not a medical doctor or nutritionist, he couldn't possibly know what he was talking about. So he wrote the book to marshall evidence from peer-reviewed academic studies that supported his argument.

Bluegenes · 07-17-2008, 09:07 AM

Calm down Prozak. Groves is almost a hero to me. In an earlier thread I mentioned that I liked both the books Goves and Taubes wrote, but merely prefered Taubes.

Yes, Groves does have references and they are detailed. That's what I like about him. And it's why I'm now following his diet recomendations. Ok kiddo? I'm on your side.

Prozak · 07-17-2008, 09:12 AM

No worries Bg, I am not out of my seat LOL

I just didn't know which book you were referring to at all

LOL @ kiddo.. 43 years old and I have been called kiddo all my life.. even by people I don't know.

Buffy45 · 07-17-2008, 09:18 AM

Can anyone post links to Gary's lectures on the internet? I would like to watch those before I read the book.

wifezilla · 07-17-2008, 10:19 AM

UC Berkeley Webcasts | Video and Podcasts: The Quality of Calories: What Makes Us Fat and Why Nobody Seems to Care

Buffy45 · 07-17-2008, 10:25 AM

Thanks!

LightlyStarched · 07-17-2008, 10:56 AM

Here is a link to a lecture Mr. Taubes gave at Berkeley, if you haven't seen it. His book has become my bible.

UC Berkeley Webcasts | Video and Podcasts: The Quality of Calories: What Makes Us Fat and Why Nobody Seems to Care

LightlyStarched · 07-17-2008, 10:57 AM

Whoops! Next time I'll check for a second page in the thread!

whatjelly · 07-17-2008, 11:07 AM

I can't get it to play.... ?

dointhis4me · 07-17-2008, 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whatjelly

I can't get it to play.... ?

You have to have RealPlayer, google it for the website and you can download it for free

HTH

Mommie22boys · 07-17-2008, 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GME

I love his book too. I borrowed it from the library and then went and bought my own when I had to give it back.

Same here! I could only renew it two times

. . .after that I went online and got my own! Woot!!

whatjelly · 07-17-2008, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dointhis4me

You have to have RealPlayer, google it for the website and you can download it for free

HTH

Thanks! That worked!

SlowMovingWoman · 07-17-2008, 11:49 AM

It is accepted that people are different in so many ways and areas of life.
Why then are so many rigid that everyone does best with one way of eating?
I have long believed that some do best eating mostly proteins and some do
best eating mostly carb. My Grandfather was thin as a rail and loved fat so
much he would eat the fat others cut off of their meat. He died from smoking,
lung cancer, but his heart and the rest of his body was in great shape. Even
within the low carb way of eating there is room for many differences. Find what
works for you and run with it.

wifezilla · 07-17-2008, 12:03 PM

While their are individual differences in hormones, etc... we aren't different species. Change human DNA by about 2% and you end up with a chimp.

Buffy45 · 07-17-2008, 12:38 PM

I just finished the lecture, now I know why you say the book is not an easy read

, but, it was very informative. BTW, I had to d/load Realplayer to get it to work. Very interesting, I hope more people read it, it seems to make so much sense to me.

07-16-2008, 01:31 PM	#33
GME Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea Posts: 535 Gallery: GME Stats: 250/208.3/175?? 5'7" WOE: generic low carb Start Date: April 2000 (the first time)	Be aware that GCBC is not an easy read. It is full of good information and way documented, but it took me awhile to get through it and I'm getting even more out of it the second time. I think Taubes missed an opportunity here. I was already inclined to believe him and really wanted to read his book and it was difficult. I don't think the casual reader or someone who believes the low fat/low cal ideas we have been brainwashed with will stick it out to get his message. I wish he would have made it a little easier to read. Hardly anyone writes an original book anymore though, so there will probably be fifteen more with the same message out soon. __________________ Gina Couch to 5K Graduate!! New Program: One Hour Runner...W6D2 finished Every time I go for a run, I leave a little fat in every footstep

07-16-2008, 04:29 PM	#39
Bluegenes Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Oregon Posts: 65 Gallery: Bluegenes Stats: 205/202/175 5'10" WOE: Barry Groves Start Date: June 2008	Personally, I liked the fact that Taubes book wasn't "easy" to understand. Reading the book didn't make me feel like Taubes was talking to me like a 10 year old. And he has references...real peer reviewed references. Not just some silly "recomended reading" section in the back of the book. Biology isn't an easy thing to understand. I get very suspicious when someone trys to explain it as though it is. Last edited by Bluegenes : 07-16-2008 at 04:38 PM.

07-16-2008, 04:53 PM	#43
Prozak MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Alberta, Canada eh! Posts: 1,552 Gallery: Prozak Stats: 210/161 [pregnancy].... Now 210/168/130 WOE: Barry Groves - Gary Taubes (High Fat - VLCarb) Start Date: 07/04 - Kept it off 3 years...... Restart 03/18/08	ah I more than likely did, thanks! ETA: but he was talking about Taubes book when he said that, he had mentioned Barry grove's book earlier in the thread (and was not a huge fan of it) so I was assuming THAT book merely had the 'recommended reading' at the back of it (which I don't think is the case). Last edited by Prozak : 07-16-2008 at 04:55 PM.

07-16-2008, 05:12 PM	#44
Doug K Junior LCF Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 43 Blog Entries: 44 Gallery: Doug K Stats: 210/207/135(5'4") WOE: still figuring that out Start Date: March 2007	I read GCBC last year. I read an interview with Taubes about it, where he said that he'd decided to write it after the furious response he'd received over What If It's All Been a Big Fat Lie?, an article he wrote for the New York Times Sunday magazine in 2002. He'd been a science journalist for decades, but he got all these attacks on the grounds that, as someone who was not a medical doctor or nutritionist, he couldn't possibly know what he was talking about. So he wrote the book to marshall evidence from peer-reviewed academic studies that supported his argument. __________________ Rolling Out of BED

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07-16-2008, 01:16 PM	#31
Ilpirata MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Beautiful San Jose, CA Posts: 1,736 Gallery: Ilpirata Stats: 257/208/170 for now... WOE: Atkins. Eating to BMR Start Date: September 2007	Thats it. I'm ordering them both today! I'm convinced.

07-16-2008, 01:21 PM	#32
Kris T. Senior LCF Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 780 Gallery: Kris T. Stats: Was 140, now 113 @ 5'3" WOE: Atkins-2002-maintaining Start Date: 2/25/08	Yeah-I'm going to see if I can find it as well. It sounds so interesting and common sense, which is right up my alley! I'm glad it's been life-changing for you!

07-16-2008, 02:19 PM	#34
wifezilla Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Colorado Springs, CO Posts: 4,650 Gallery: wifezilla Stats: 250/210/190 WOE: Read em all. Doing it my way. Start Date: May 2007	He targeted this book towards grad students. I read somewhere there has been talk of a simplified version, but whether or not anything comes of it will depend on book sales of GCBC I bet.

07-16-2008, 02:44 PM	#35
CurlyGirly Senior LCF Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: TN Posts: 95 Gallery: CurlyGirly Stats: 215/208/165 WOE: LC Start Date: April 1st 2008	Based on the recommendations here, last night I ordered Barry Groves' book. I really wanted both his book and Taubes but I'm trying to cut back on the spending and only got one. Maybe I can get the other book next month! I'm hoping it will come in before I leave for a conference I have to go to next week.

07-16-2008, 02:48 PM	#36
Prozak MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Alberta, Canada eh! Posts: 1,552 Gallery: Prozak Stats: 210/161 [pregnancy].... Now 210/168/130 WOE: Barry Groves - Gary Taubes (High Fat - VLCarb) Start Date: 07/04 - Kept it off 3 years...... Restart 03/18/08	Barry Groves is a great jumping off point. If you read his book first, Gary's is a little bit easier to follow. I read Barry's Book in 3 days, Gary's I am only 1/3 of the way through and have been reading every night for about 2 weeks but it makes my brain tired LOL

07-16-2008, 03:21 PM	#37
somethingblue2u MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Indiana Posts: 1,333 Gallery: somethingblue2u Stats: 190/175/150 WOE: Atkins for Life Start Date: 2nd time October 2007	Listening to Taubes lectures on the internet really makes reading the book a little more easy to follow. And he talks about stuff that his editors made him cut out of the book, the orignal book was about twice the size of what it is now. Could you imagine getting through that?! Eeek

07-16-2008, 03:21 PM	#38
whatjelly MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Southwest Washington Posts: 1,066 Gallery: whatjelly Stats: 225/197/140 WOE: General Low Carb + high FAT Start Date: back at it: April 2008	It definately is not the easiest read... that's for sure...

07-16-2008, 04:37 PM	#40
Lynda99 MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Texas Posts: 2,584 Gallery: Lynda99	nanner nanner Study: Low-carb diet best for weight, cholesterol - Yahoo! News

07-17-2008, 09:07 AM	#45
Bluegenes Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Oregon Posts: 65 Gallery: Bluegenes Stats: 205/202/175 5'10" WOE: Barry Groves Start Date: June 2008	Calm down Prozak. Groves is almost a hero to me. In an earlier thread I mentioned that I liked both the books Goves and Taubes wrote, but merely prefered Taubes. Yes, Groves does have references and they are detailed. That's what I like about him. And it's why I'm now following his diet recomendations. Ok kiddo? I'm on your side.

07-17-2008, 09:12 AM	#46
Prozak MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Alberta, Canada eh! Posts: 1,552 Gallery: Prozak Stats: 210/161 [pregnancy].... Now 210/168/130 WOE: Barry Groves - Gary Taubes (High Fat - VLCarb) Start Date: 07/04 - Kept it off 3 years...... Restart 03/18/08	No worries Bg, I am not out of my seat LOL I just didn't know which book you were referring to at all LOL @ kiddo.. 43 years old and I have been called kiddo all my life.. even by people I don't know.

07-17-2008, 09:18 AM	#47
Buffy45 MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Lewisville, TX USA Posts: 2,960 Gallery: Buffy45 Stats: Type 2 Diabetic as of 6/1/08 WOE: LC Start Date: Restart 6/1/08	Can anyone post links to Gary's lectures on the internet? I would like to watch those before I read the book.

07-17-2008, 10:19 AM	#48
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Buffy45 MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Lewisville, TX USA Posts: 2,960 Gallery: Buffy45 Stats: Type 2 Diabetic as of 6/1/08 WOE: LC Start Date: Restart 6/1/08	Thanks!

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07-17-2008, 10:57 AM	#51
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07-17-2008, 11:07 AM	#52
whatjelly MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Southwest Washington Posts: 1,066 Gallery: whatjelly Stats: 225/197/140 WOE: General Low Carb + high FAT Start Date: back at it: April 2008	I can't get it to play.... ?

07-17-2008, 11:49 AM	#56
SlowMovingWoman Junior LCF Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: The South Posts: 31 Gallery: SlowMovingWoman Stats: Starting weight 214 WOE: Lower Carb / Smart Carb Start Date: Starting over Sept. 2, 2008	It is accepted that people are different in so many ways and areas of life. Why then are so many rigid that everyone does best with one way of eating? I have long believed that some do best eating mostly proteins and some do best eating mostly carb. My Grandfather was thin as a rail and loved fat so much he would eat the fat others cut off of their meat. He died from smoking, lung cancer, but his heart and the rest of his body was in great shape. Even within the low carb way of eating there is room for many differences. Find what works for you and run with it.

07-17-2008, 12:03 PM	#57
wifezilla Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Colorado Springs, CO Posts: 4,650 Gallery: wifezilla Stats: 250/210/190 WOE: Read em all. Doing it my way. Start Date: May 2007	While their are individual differences in hormones, etc... we aren't different species. Change human DNA by about 2% and you end up with a chimp.

07-17-2008, 12:38 PM	#58
Buffy45 MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Lewisville, TX USA Posts: 2,960 Gallery: Buffy45 Stats: Type 2 Diabetic as of 6/1/08 WOE: LC Start Date: Restart 6/1/08	I just finished the lecture, now I know why you say the book is not an easy read , but, it was very informative. BTW, I had to d/load Realplayer to get it to work. Very interesting, I hope more people read it, it seems to make so much sense to me.