I am sooooo confused.

[SkeeterN]

I watched a video about Gluconeogenesis On Low-Carb which is about eating low carb/high fat/low protein. Now what in the world is one suppose to eat if they subscribe to this way of thinking? A stick of butter?

I just can't wrap my brain around what one would eat.

[Califrog]

Originally Posted by SkeeterN

I watched a video about Gluconeogenesis On Low-Carb which is about eating low carb/high fat/low protein. Now what in the world is one suppose to eat if they subscribe to this way of thinking? A stick of butter?

I just can't wrap my brain around what one would eat.

What do they consider "low protein"?

My typical daily diet consists of something in the range of 60-70% fat, 20-30% protein, the rest carbs from a few veggies and fruits.

And yes, sticks of butter (well, okay, slices of butter as snacks ) are on my program.

[Rory8343]

Originally Posted by SkeeterN

I watched a video about Gluconeogenesis On Low-Carb which is about eating low carb/high fat/low protein. Now what in the world is one suppose to eat if they subscribe to this way of thinking? A stick of butter?

I just can't wrap my brain around what one would eat.

I'm there with you. Salad with lots of olive oil? Buttered paper??

[2big4mysize]

SkeeterN can you give us a link to this horror video you watched?

actually we want and need glucogenesis to occur.

follow along and I'll make this as easy and un technical as I can.

glucose can be reacted anerobically and aerobically for eneregy
fatty acids and ketones can only be reacted aerobically for energy

Human beings have body parts that can not use ketones and fatty acids for fuel because they lack the cell parts needed for aerobic reaction to energy production. some of those body parts are red blood cells, parts of the retina and certain barian areas.

So we always need glucose in our blood stream to feed them.

Since our wonderful bodies know this they human body has setpoints which it strives to keep the glucose levels within.

once production gets inside those thresholds glucose production will discontinue. When the levels drop it will start. The same chemicals that cause glucogenesis to start also cause fatty acid liberation.

Ideally we want our dietary and body fat to produce all the fuel reactions the majority of our body parts need and leave the glucose for those parts that only can use glucose.

However since the same chemicals that help those glucose dependant cells use the glucose helps the rest of the body cells use it too we need to strive for a balance within our steady state needs.
Insulin is the chemical that will pull glucose from the blood stream and the higher the insulin levles the more gluocse removed the less glucose being made and the more fatty acids being stored.

Our physical activity can effect this production too cause strenous activities like power lifting and srinting need glucose which is why running isn't fat burning and slower jogging is.

ControlledCarb who is a nutrtionist posted a formula most low carbers can use to determine how much protein they need to allow for growth and repair and the needed for life gluocse from glucogenesis. the formula is your total body weight in pounds divided by 2.2 that gives you your minimum protein intake within 10%. you will know if it is too low cause you will be hungry and if it is try adding 10% more to your eating.

Once you got your base protein needs you can decide what eating plan you want Atkins higher fat or PP even more protein.

Oh and that magical 58% of our eatten protein turns to sugar is bunk. It is based if you trace it back to a misinterpretation of a paper done over 40 yrs ago. There has NEVER been an study showing this is fact for any animal types.

Each protein has a unique amino acid structure and some amino acids can't ever be converted to glucose so no 2 proteins will produce the same amount of glucose in the human body.

[CurlyGirly]

I watched that video last night too!! It is very interesting! I Jimmy & Christine!

[SkeeterN]

Originally Posted by 2big4mysize

SkeeterN can you give us a link to this horror video you watched?

actually we want and need glucogenesis to occur.

follow along and I'll make this as easy and un technical as I can.

glucose can be reacted anerobically and aerobically for eneregy
fatty acids and ketones can only be reacted aerobically for energy

Human beings have body parts that can not use ketones and fatty acids for fuel because they lack the cell parts needed for aerobic reaction to energy production. some of those body parts are red blood cells, parts of the retina and certain barian areas.

So we always need glucose in our blood stream to feed them.

Since our wonderful bodies know this they human body has setpoints which it strives to keep the glucose levels within.

once production gets inside those thresholds glucose production will discontinue. When the levels drop it will start. The same chemicals that cause glucogenesis to start also cause fatty acid liberation.

Ideally we want our dietary and body fat to produce all the fuel reactions the majority of our body parts need and leave the glucose for those parts that only can use glucose.

However since the same chemicals that help those glucose dependant cells use the glucose helps the rest of the body cells use it too we need to strive for a balance within our steady state needs.
Insulin is the chemical that will pull glucose from the blood stream and the higher the insulin levles the more gluocse removed the less glucose being made and the more fatty acids being stored.

Our physical activity can effect this production too cause strenous activities like power lifting and srinting need glucose which is why running isn't fat burning and slower jogging is.

ControlledCarb who is a nutrtionist posted a formula most low carbers can use to determine how much protein they need to allow for growth and repair and the needed for life gluocse from glucogenesis. the formula is your total body weight in pounds divided by 2.2 that gives you your minimum protein intake within 10%. you will know if it is too low cause you will be hungry and if it is try adding 10% more to your eating.

Once you got your base protein needs you can decide what eating plan you want Atkins higher fat or PP even more protein.

Oh and that magical 58% of our eatten protein turns to sugar is bunk. It is based if you trace it back to a misinterpretation of a paper done over 40 yrs ago. There has NEVER been an study showing this is fact for any animal types.

Each protein has a unique amino acid structure and some amino acids can't ever be converted to glucose so no 2 proteins will produce the same amount of glucose in the human body.

You have a pm

[2big4mysize]

thanks for the link.

Okay jimmy went a little nuts trying to say we do not have to eat carbohydrates to get the body's glucose needs ( glucose is a carbohydrate) cause the human body can make its own glucose.

And Jimmy is very mistaken about all the protein we eat converting to carbs since there are some amino acids that will never convert to glucose as they convert to ketones AND our body every day has a need for protein molecules for growth and repair.

just think of it like this
your body needs X amount of protein for growth and repairs
it needs Y amount to be the gluocse based on your anerobic exercise carb intake and normal glucose needs.

Z is excess protein intake

As long as the amount you consume adds up to X+Y you will be fine. now if you got a Z amount there too that would be excess protein beyond the basic body need then you will have an issue with removing body fat for fuel until that Z pile of protein is used up.

So use the formula Controlled carb gave us to keep your protein intake at the amount you need and you should be fine.

at 160 pounds you needed at least 72 grams a day just to meet your basic needs. at goal weight listed at 115 you will need 52 grams minimum.

Now if you are active you will have a higher glucose need and will need to eat more protein. You will know this cause you will be hungry and remember hunger isn't just a growly tummy. it can be tiredness, mental confusion, agitations, dizziness, light headedness, headache, to name a few of the symptoms of true hunger. So if you find you are having them then you know you need more protein in your diet and add another ounce of protein foods at your next meal.

Back when Dr Atkins was alive the Atkins center was telling folk calling to findout how much protein to have to start with 4-6 ounce servings and if you were hungry within an hour of meal time to add another ounce and see what happened up to 35 ounces ofr a day during induction. that is a little more then 2 pounds of protein foods a day.

So don't fear the protein foods but as an ankinseer don't go wild chugging protein shakes instead of water, just as we don't go wild chugging bacon grease either. Have a serving of protein, some fats, and some of your veggie carbs at each meal and if you snake make it a small protein fat carb bite and see how you do.

[SashimiMark]

I don't do low protein, but I do do (heh heh) low carb, high fat, moderate protein. I eat a lot of bacon.

[zelia]

If you go look at Jimmy's blog, you'll see that he didn't intend to make it sound like all protein gets turned into glucose. Normally, gluconeogenesis occurs only to keep your blood sugar stable. Type 2 diabetics have a higher than normal rate of gluconeogenesis, causing elevated blood sugar.