Ok so here's the proposed menu...

Katie914 · 07-03-2008, 02:07 AM

First though I'd like to thank everyone for being so incredibly patient and supportive of me. You guys are totally amazing and I really appreciate that. Thanks for taking the time to give me much needed input. You all rock!!

Now, I do enjoy my workouts. I ex A LOT and I do like it.

Gosh this is so embarassing, but here goes nothing!! thanks again guys!!

I'm going to try to follow this for a few days and see what it does:

Morning Work-Out:

20 mins elliptical, 20 mins stair climber, 20 mins treadmill; 3-4 days lift.

Breakfast: 3-4 eggs fryed in bacon grease, 6-8 pieces of bacon.

Lunch: 2 cups of water-based tuna w/4 tablespoons of regular mayo plus two cups of cucumbers.

Dinner: 2-3 burgers and 1 cup of broccoli.

Night Work Out: 3 mile walk/sprint.

IS THIS TOO MUCH FOOD???!!

I can't thank you all enough for your time and assistance!! gracias!!

suzanneyea · 07-03-2008, 02:10 AM

You are so funny, I mean seriously, it is the Internet, it is not like you are announcing your menu to your entire office, lol. So, actually, I think it looks really good. I probably eat more than that, so it doesn't look like too much to me.

Katie914 · 07-03-2008, 02:12 AM

Lol, thank you! I'm going to follow that (I'm still on induction and plan to stay there for a month or so)....I figure that I can eat this much if I still work out and lose.

thanks again! :-)

PS---I forgot to add my 2 cups of black coffee in... NUMMYYY!!! :-D

goohsmom · 07-03-2008, 02:41 AM

Looks good---don't forget to allow for a few snacks to keep your blood sugar stable during the day--don't want the munchies to catch you unawares

!

If you haven't checked out FitDay yet, you really should. It's a great way online to tweak your menu and compare it to your activity level to see how much you're really eating. I actually downloaded the PC version, which has become a lifesaver for me.

Can't wait to see some after pics!

Pam

suzanneyea · 07-03-2008, 02:41 AM

For me, the key thing is that your diet has all natural food in it, that is what works for me.

Katie914 · 07-03-2008, 02:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goohsmom

Looks good---don't forget to allow for a few snacks to keep your blood sugar stable during the day--don't want the munchies to catch you unawares

!

If you haven't checked out FitDay yet, you really should. It's a great way online to tweak your menu and compare it to your activity level to see how much you're really eating. I actually downloaded the PC version, which has become a lifesaver for me.

Can't wait to see some after pics!

Pam

its really not too much fat/food?? I could throw some random eggs in there...i was going to ask someone about that, lol, but i put a pic up here but i cant see it so i dont know if anyone else can. :-) oh well! lol, thanks!!

Katie914 · 07-03-2008, 02:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suzanneyea

For me, the key thing is that your diet has all natural food in it, that is what works for me.

i feel the same way about food. do u think that i could get away with throwing in some more bacon at breakfast, tuna at lunch, and an extra burger??

or would that be overkill??

goohsmom · 07-03-2008, 02:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Katie914

i feel the same way about food. do u think that i could get away with throwing in some more bacon at breakfast, tuna at lunch, and an extra burger??

or would that be overkill??

Your protein levels look fine, a touch high in fact but you are exercising a lot. To give you a basis for evaluating this, each ounce of lean protein has about 7 grams of protein, as does an egg. Use one of the online calculators to figure out your lean body mass and determine what your minimum protein requirements are based upon your body and activity level. Keep in mind that excess protein will convert to glucose in the body, so you don't want to go way over, but also keep in mind that most calculators are only for the minimum--it's up to you to figure out the optimum for your own body.

If you were going to add anything, I'd look at mixing it up with your veggies, or add some olive oil or coconut oil to your menu. But seriously, check out FitDay FitDay - Free Weight Loss and Diet Journal --it's free to use online and can give you a really good grasp on what you're eating, especially as you work with your menu to tweak it. And get a copy of whichever plan you're following and read it thoroughly, so you understand what the different levels of macros can do. Each one of us is different, and we all have to learn for ourselves what works best for us.

Keep working at it, you'll find your own optimal balance.

Pam

Katie914 · 07-03-2008, 02:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goohsmom

Your protein levels look fine, a touch high in fact but you are exercising a lot. If you were going to add anything, I'd look at mixing it up with your veggies, or add some olive oil or coconut oil to your menu. But seriously, check out FitDay FitDay - Free Weight Loss and Diet Journal --it's free to use online and can give you a really good grasp on what you're eating, especially as you work with your menu to tweak it.

Pam

is it a free service?? ill check it out! thx~!

Katie914 · 07-03-2008, 04:52 AM

hey that fitday thing is pretty cool!

lisabinil · 07-03-2008, 05:01 AM

Don't fear the protein-according to Lyle McDonald author of "The Ketogenic Diet"-protein only converts at about 58% if you go over your protein needs. And a lot who are exercising don't even meet their protein needs. "Protein Power" by the Eades is a good lc read.

goohsmom · 07-03-2008, 05:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lisabinil

Don't fear the protein-according to Lyle McDonald author of "The Ketogenic Diet"-protein only converts at about 58% if you go over your protein needs. And a lot who are exercising don't even meet their protein needs. "Protein Power" by the Eades is a good lc read.

Agreed, you do have to make sure you're meeting your protein requirements, and many people aren't, which casues loss of LBM along with fat. However, the OP's posted menu has at least 155 grams of protein in it--which is quite a large amount. That's why I suggested she check her actual requirements instead of simply adding more protein into her menu. I'm a big fan of Protein Power myself, it's what I base my own protein requirements on.

Katie: I love FitDay myself, it helps keep me accountable as well as giving me a true picture of what I'm eating and my activity levels.

Pam

JuliaL · 07-03-2008, 05:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Katie914

i feel the same way about food. do u think that i could get away with throwing in some more bacon at breakfast, tuna at lunch, and an extra burger??

or would that be overkill??

I for one don't think you should be eating more than what you've listed below. It seems like a lot of food to me - 2 whole cups of tuna? Are you sure? Your food choices look good, but you should definitely use Fitday. If you can lose weight eating that amount then go for it! If not I would consider upping the veggies a bit.

Great workouts!

lisabinil · 07-03-2008, 05:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JuliaL

I for one don't think you should be eating more than what you've listed below. It seems like a lot of food to me - 2 whole cups of tuna? Are you sure? Your food choices look good, but you should definitely use Fitday. If you can lose weight eating that amount then go for it! If not I would consider upping the veggies a bit.

Great workouts!

I agree with Julia on this one-take a look at the Induction list of veggies I posted.

whatjelly · 07-03-2008, 06:00 AM

I guess I would add to eat more often... If you are hungry, you should eat - even if it's "not time" yet...

You seem to really like that tuna

I don't see a problem with 2 cups, but I can here Fawn warning you about Mercury...

I personally couldn't eat that much tuna at once, but theres nothing wrong with it...

junkfoodmonkey · 07-03-2008, 06:13 AM

I agree to add more veggies, obviously keeping them under the carb limits for the day. They provide lots of nutrients that you can't really get in other ways. I personally never worry about volume of veggies, only the carbs. I just pick from the allowed list and weigh to get the accurate carb count.

My favourite way to add more healthy veggie carbs without adding a lot more bulk to meals is onion - red is best in my opinion. It's a bit higher than things like broccoli, so soon adds up, but you don't need much of it to add a bit of flavour. And onions are very good for you. They boost your immune system. Forget oranges, if you want to never get a cold, eat onions and garlic. Maybe add a ring or two, fried for preference, on top of your burgers.

The rest of it, well it's quite a lot of protein, but with all that exercise I can see you would need it! The question is, do your meals make you feel satisfied, but not stuffed and not hungry again soon afterwards. Only you can decide on that one.

Also of course, it's still early days for you and appetite can take a while to settle down on and after Induction, so listen to your body and repond to what it tells you. Adjust portions to what feels comfortable for you to eat in one sitting. It took me a while to get over the whole "eyes bigger than belly"

thing, especially once my belly was smaller!

jskn · 07-03-2008, 06:29 AM

It looks like too much food to me.

guysgirl · 07-03-2008, 06:34 AM

Yeah too much food for me too. See if your body will continue to lose and your all set. We are all so different!

DorianH · 07-03-2008, 06:42 AM

well, honestly it does look like a lot of food, but you are exercising a lot too.

When you eat are you satisfied or stuffed? I don't think I could eat 4 eggs and 8 pieces of bacon for breakfast..........and 2 cups of tuna w/ 2 cups of cucumber is a HUGE bowl of tuna salad........maybe you could do one large scoop of tuna with a garden salad and lots more veggies? Just a suggestion.

Overall, what you're eating is fine........but keep in mind when you LC you generally don't need as much food as when you're eating carby stuff, because LC food is satisfying. But, sometimes we eat to try and satisfy a craving. Just be sure to listen to your body and what it needs. If you're full, stop.

tiggerr · 07-03-2008, 09:17 AM

You asked why you were not losing now
We asked to post a menu of what you eat now.

Is this the menu of foods you intend to eat later in your WOE or what you currently consume?

Because if it is hypothetical menu and not a menu that is the reason for stalling you

Put in Fitday what you ate day before yesterday. yesterday and today and post that.

As for working out, you might not be eating enough right now to sustain the workouts.
When I was training for my half marathon I maintained and I ate a lot more calories than I do now.
Maybe the reason you are not losing is because your body is trying to hold on to as much as it can right now to avoid going into starvation mode.

With that said, a current menu would be the best thing to see and go from there.

Katie914 · 07-03-2008, 10:59 AM

First of all, thank you all so much for the great input!

Yes it is what I've been eating now. I've been SOOOO HUNGRY since starting this WOE!! Hopefully it'll settle down once I hit ketosis.

Maybe I should cut all my meals in half??

tiggerr · 07-03-2008, 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Katie914

Yes it is what I've been eating now. I've been SOOOO HUNGRY since starting this WOE!!

how you can be hungry consuming over 3200 calories at 170 pounds.

steady · 07-03-2008, 11:39 AM

Everyone is giving you good advice and suggestions, but in the end it is up to you to decide how much food you need. It is important to eat, but it is important to listen to your body cueing you that it has had enough food. You should eat the the point of satisfaction. So when you question whether to "add" another piece of bacon at breakfast, I would ask yourself, "Are you still hungry?" and "Is there something else, like a veggie, that will satisfy your hunger.

CARLINI · 07-03-2008, 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Katie914

First of all, thank you all so much for the great input!

Yes it is what I've been eating now. I've been SOOOO HUNGRY since starting this WOE!! Hopefully it'll settle down once I hit ketosis.

Maybe I should cut all my meals in half??

I'm always super hungry when in sugar withdrawal. It will pass after a few days. Our stomachs don't work on a schedule, so I think you should eat when hungry, and stop when full.

CARLINI · 07-03-2008, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tiggerr

how you can be hungry consuming over 3200 calories at 170 pounds.

This is super supportive, but I'll respond anyway.

This happens to me. It's the sugar withdrawal. She's not really hungry, but it's what I call "false hunger" when the body is looking for the sugar.

Katie914 · 07-03-2008, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CARLINI

This is super supportive, but I'll respond anyway.

This happens to me. It's the sugar withdrawal. She's not really hungry, but it's what I call "false hunger" when the body is looking for the sugar.

YES!! Thank you!! I knew I wasn't completely nuts, lol!

07-03-2008, 02:07 AM	#1
Katie914 Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 473 Gallery: Katie914 Stats: 170/155/135 WOE: Stillman's Start Date: 06/22/08	Ok so here's the proposed menu... First though I'd like to thank everyone for being so incredibly patient and supportive of me. You guys are totally amazing and I really appreciate that. Thanks for taking the time to give me much needed input. You all rock!! Now, I do enjoy my workouts. I ex A LOT and I do like it. Gosh this is so embarassing, but here goes nothing!! thanks again guys!! I'm going to try to follow this for a few days and see what it does: Morning Work-Out: 20 mins elliptical, 20 mins stair climber, 20 mins treadmill; 3-4 days lift. Breakfast: 3-4 eggs fryed in bacon grease, 6-8 pieces of bacon. Lunch: 2 cups of water-based tuna w/4 tablespoons of regular mayo plus two cups of cucumbers. Dinner: 2-3 burgers and 1 cup of broccoli. Night Work Out: 3 mile walk/sprint. IS THIS TOO MUCH FOOD???!! I can't thank you all enough for your time and assistance!! gracias!! __________________ "It's never too late to become the person that you're meant to be." "Fall six times get up seven."

07-03-2008, 06:13 AM	#16
junkfoodmonkey MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 2,401 Blog Entries: 36 Gallery: junkfoodmonkey Stats: Bigger/smaller/smallest WOE: Atkins Start Date: Reinduction: 01/01/08	I agree to add more veggies, obviously keeping them under the carb limits for the day. They provide lots of nutrients that you can't really get in other ways. I personally never worry about volume of veggies, only the carbs. I just pick from the allowed list and weigh to get the accurate carb count. My favourite way to add more healthy veggie carbs without adding a lot more bulk to meals is onion - red is best in my opinion. It's a bit higher than things like broccoli, so soon adds up, but you don't need much of it to add a bit of flavour. And onions are very good for you. They boost your immune system. Forget oranges, if you want to never get a cold, eat onions and garlic. Maybe add a ring or two, fried for preference, on top of your burgers. The rest of it, well it's quite a lot of protein, but with all that exercise I can see you would need it! The question is, do your meals make you feel satisfied, but not stuffed and not hungry again soon afterwards. Only you can decide on that one. Also of course, it's still early days for you and appetite can take a while to settle down on and after Induction, so listen to your body and repond to what it tells you. Adjust portions to what feels comfortable for you to eat in one sitting. It took me a while to get over the whole "eyes bigger than belly" thing, especially once my belly was smaller! __________________ High Fructose Corn Syrup: Weapons Grade Sugar Donate to Alzheimer's research and match Terry Pratchett's $1 million donation. Match it for Pratchett

07-03-2008, 09:17 AM	#20
tiggerr Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: May 2003 Location: Dutch transplant in La-la-land aka as California Posts: 15,162 Gallery: tiggerr Stats: Two Half Marathons down, one to go WOE: Back on the LC track. Start Date: May,2003	You asked why you were not losing now We asked to post a menu of what you eat now. Is this the menu of foods you intend to eat later in your WOE or what you currently consume? Because if it is hypothetical menu and not a menu that is the reason for stalling you Put in Fitday what you ate day before yesterday. yesterday and today and post that. As for working out, you might not be eating enough right now to sustain the workouts. When I was training for my half marathon I maintained and I ate a lot more calories than I do now. Maybe the reason you are not losing is because your body is trying to hold on to as much as it can right now to avoid going into starvation mode. With that said, a current menu would be the best thing to see and go from there. __________________ In memory of my friend Kate please click here EVERY DAY to support free mammograms Extremely High Expectations are future Resentments [size="2"]

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07-03-2008, 02:10 AM	#2
suzanneyea MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: May 2008 Location: Quebec Posts: 1,050 Blog Entries: 3 Gallery: suzanneyea Stats: 120 WOE: Atkins	You are so funny, I mean seriously, it is the Internet, it is not like you are announcing your menu to your entire office, lol. So, actually, I think it looks really good. I probably eat more than that, so it doesn't look like too much to me.

07-03-2008, 02:12 AM	#3
Katie914 Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 473 Gallery: Katie914 Stats: 170/155/135 WOE: Stillman's Start Date: 06/22/08	Lol, thank you! I'm going to follow that (I'm still on induction and plan to stay there for a month or so)....I figure that I can eat this much if I still work out and lose. thanks again! :-) PS---I forgot to add my 2 cups of black coffee in... NUMMYYY!!! :-D

07-03-2008, 02:41 AM	#4
goohsmom Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 253 Gallery: goohsmom Stats: 183-highest/restart again-162/138 WOE: Atkins/Protein Power mix Start Date: 5/21/2008--thanks hormone fairy :(	Looks good---don't forget to allow for a few snacks to keep your blood sugar stable during the day--don't want the munchies to catch you unawares ! If you haven't checked out FitDay yet, you really should. It's a great way online to tweak your menu and compare it to your activity level to see how much you're really eating. I actually downloaded the PC version, which has become a lifesaver for me. Can't wait to see some after pics! Pam

07-03-2008, 04:52 AM	#10
Katie914 Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 473 Gallery: Katie914 Stats: 170/155/135 WOE: Stillman's Start Date: 06/22/08	hey that fitday thing is pretty cool!

07-03-2008, 05:01 AM	#11
lisabinil Big Yapper!!!! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: suburbs of Chicago Posts: 8,179 Gallery: lisabinil Stats: 214/185/180 287 in 00 WOE: higher carb Atkins Start Date: SBD 3/5/07,Atkins 4/18/07	Don't fear the protein-according to Lyle McDonald author of "The Ketogenic Diet"-protein only converts at about 58% if you go over your protein needs. And a lot who are exercising don't even meet their protein needs. "Protein Power" by the Eades is a good lc read.

07-03-2008, 06:00 AM	#15
whatjelly MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Southwest Washington Posts: 1,078 Gallery: whatjelly Stats: 225/197/140 WOE: General Low Carb + high FAT Start Date: back at it: April 2008	I guess I would add to eat more often... If you are hungry, you should eat - even if it's "not time" yet... You seem to really like that tuna I don't see a problem with 2 cups, but I can here Fawn warning you about Mercury... I personally couldn't eat that much tuna at once, but theres nothing wrong with it...

07-03-2008, 06:29 AM	#17
jskn Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 877 Gallery: jskn Stats: 115.5/105/100 WOE: atkins Start Date: october 2005	It looks like too much food to me.

07-03-2008, 06:34 AM	#18
guysgirl MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 1,106 Gallery: guysgirl Stats: 169/ 115 /135 5'4" WOE: with chopsticks Start Date: may, 2004	Yeah too much food for me too. See if your body will continue to lose and your all set. We are all so different!

07-03-2008, 06:42 AM	#19
DorianH MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: RI Posts: 1,309 Gallery: DorianH Stats: 247/218/150 WOE: Moderate Carbs and Milk Free Start Date: restart 7/7/2008	well, honestly it does look like a lot of food, but you are exercising a lot too. When you eat are you satisfied or stuffed? I don't think I could eat 4 eggs and 8 pieces of bacon for breakfast..........and 2 cups of tuna w/ 2 cups of cucumber is a HUGE bowl of tuna salad........maybe you could do one large scoop of tuna with a garden salad and lots more veggies? Just a suggestion. Overall, what you're eating is fine........but keep in mind when you LC you generally don't need as much food as when you're eating carby stuff, because LC food is satisfying. But, sometimes we eat to try and satisfy a craving. Just be sure to listen to your body and what it needs. If you're full, stop.

07-03-2008, 10:59 AM	#21
Katie914 Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 473 Gallery: Katie914 Stats: 170/155/135 WOE: Stillman's Start Date: 06/22/08	First of all, thank you all so much for the great input! Yes it is what I've been eating now. I've been SOOOO HUNGRY since starting this WOE!! Hopefully it'll settle down once I hit ketosis. Maybe I should cut all my meals in half??

07-03-2008, 11:39 AM	#23
steady Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: NYC Posts: 746 Gallery: steady Stats: 110/85-90/100 5'2 WOE: ATKINS Start Date: Feb 2007	Everyone is giving you good advice and suggestions, but in the end it is up to you to decide how much food you need. It is important to eat, but it is important to listen to your body cueing you that it has had enough food. You should eat the the point of satisfaction. So when you question whether to "add" another piece of bacon at breakfast, I would ask yourself, "Are you still hungry?" and "Is there something else, like a veggie, that will satisfy your hunger.