Hunger Free Forever?

[MountainGirl]

No disrespect, but there is plenty of scientific support and medical substantiation. That's good enough for me. People's opinions can vary, but medical data is something we can look at objectively.

[lildragonfly]

Is this something you are going to have to take forever to control your hunger? If so seems would be very costly.

[MountainGirl]

Originally Posted by lildragonfly

Is this something you are going to have to take forever to control your hunger? If so seems would be very costly.

Marsha,

I hope not, actually. I believe that as I lose weight and become satisfied with less food, I'll be able to do that without the fiber, but I'm not sure. I guess I'll find out as I go!

I'm waiting to get the book and read all about it and when it arrives, I'll see if it addresses your question, which is a good one.

And yes, it is somewhat costly, but not any more so than other supplements, so I guess it's a matter of what one considers important to spend money on.

I got 120 tabs of 750 mg for $19.95 a bottle ON SALE. I don't know how long that will last if I increase the dosage, but I'll find out.

[Lynda99]

Originally Posted by MountainGirl

medical data is something we can look at objectively.

I don't even know where to start. So I won't.

Wait. Yes I will. Medical data says to eat a low calorie diet with lots of nice grains and very low fat. Enjoy

Medical research is always bought and paid for. I don't even believe it when they aren't selling a book.

I hope it works for you, I might even try it.

[MountainGirl]

Originally Posted by Lynda99

I don't even know where to start. So I won't.

Wait. Yes I will. Medical data says to eat a low calorie diet with lots of nice grains and very low fat. Enjoy

Medical research is always bought and paid for. I don't even believe it when they aren't selling a book.

I hope it works for you, I might even try it.

Hi Lynda,
I'm sorry you feel that way, but you are entitled to your opinion. However your generalizations are not correct. Not ALL medical data is wrong. Remember, Dr. A used medical data. Current low-carb researchers use medical data. Medical data is just that. One must provide conflicting research or do their own, not just make general attacks on the entire process.

Not all medical research is bought and paid for. Was Dr. A bought and paid for? Is the current low-carb medical data accepted bought and paid for? WE see low-carb medical dats being used and applauded all the time! Can you produce any conflicting research to what has been posted? That would be relevant in this thread.

I'm sorry you don't believe it, but that doesn't make it wrong. Please, read the research! Dispute the research with substantiated independent research if you can. Information is power!

If you look at what I said closely, perhaps you'll see that I am not blindly accepting all medical data, but I encourage people to look at it objectively, and not rely on people's opinions. But instead look at the data and make an informed choice from that.

People's opinions can vary, but medical data is something we can look at objectively.

I'm not saying anyone should take MY opinion. I'm just saying the data supports that this is a viable support for losing weight and why. I posted the data. Do you have any solid, substantiated, independent information that disputes it?

Do you know Dr. Michael T. Murray and Dr. Michael Lyon and their work? Have you read the research and findings?

These are not your typical medical establishment. Dr. Murray is a NATUROPATHIC Doctor and the one that natural medicine refers to as an authority. He is a pioneer in the ALTERNATIVE medicine field. He is not "the system." Have you checked out any of his work and found anything wrong in them?

Dr. Lyon is a researcher for ALTERNATIVE and NATURAL medicine and also is a recognized authority in the natural medical field. Have you checked out any of his findings and come up with anything that contradicts them?

Please check them out, I think you may change your mind.

[Tooter]

I'm glad you edited your post.

[MountainGirl]

Originally Posted by Tooter

I'm glad you edited your post.

I am too. No reason to get upset. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I just get frustrated when people make generalizations without accurate info. And this thread is not about that, it's about presenting an option, not a command.

So anyway, yeah, I'm not out to step on people's toes, even though I may come across that way sometimes. I'm really a very nice, fluffy, Jewish momma.

[MountainGirl]

DAY ONE:

I took 1 (750 mg) PGX with breakfast and lots of water. I was full and amazed!

Mid-day, I took 2 PGX with a lot of herbal tea and stevia and a grilled chicken salad. Again, very full and satisfied.

I usually have to eat every few hours because of my huge appetite. Not so this day.

I ate a supper of organic salad, organic broccoli slaw, cheese, salsa, sour cream.

In the evening when I am usually ravenous, I took 1 PGX with lots of water and a bedtime snack of organic PB and whey powder and a little water. YUMMM! I was satisfied all night.

My blood sugars were EXCELLENT through the day and this morning's fasting was a fantastic 86.

Today, I started off with 2 PGX, lots of water, 1 TB organic PB and a whey protein shake for breakfast. I am still full!

[tinatina]

Originally Posted by MountainGirl

DAY ONE:

I took 1 (750 mg) PGX with breakfast and lots of water. I was full and amazed!

Mid-day, I took 2 PGX with a lot of herbal tea and stevia and a grilled chicken salad. Again, very full and satisfied.

I usually have to eat every few hours because of my huge appetite. Not so this day.

I ate a supper of organic salad, organic broccoli slaw, cheese, salsa, sour cream.

In the evening when I am usually ravenous, I took 1 PGX with lots of water and a bedtime snack of organic PB and whey powder and a little water. YUMMM! I was satisfied all night.

My blood sugars were EXCELLENT through the day and this morning's fasting was a fantastic 86.

Today, I started off with 2 PGX, lots of water, 1 TB organic PB and a whey protein shake for breakfast. I am still full!

Thanks for the update. Please update us periodically!

[deb3]

I was just hoping to hear from a couple of folks on the board that I respect very much. The website looks great, but so did Hoodia, and Carb Blockers, and Cortislim. You get the idea! I'm not looking for a miracle- just a little help along the way. And it certainly makes sense.

So.... I went to the Vitamin Shoppe at lunch today and got some!! Took one with a bottle of water before lunch- maybe it's the power of suggestion, but I'm feeling pretty good! I also got some Xylitol to exfoliate my face and a very small travel vial of liquid Stevia to try it again.

[Lynda99]

I'm glad you edited your post, too, Mountain Girl.

A note to my friends trying to lose weight:

Since I've been on here for eight years, and I've seen a thousand END HUNGER FOREVER products, researchers, doctors, infomercials, and books. They come, they make their money off us, and they disappear.

I can assure you, that if a product really would END HUNGER FOREVER, it will be on the cover of the Journal of the American Medical Association and in respected Bariatrics Journals.

We need to keep a happy medium between running out and spending our hard-earned money on everything that comes down the pike, and having a closed mind. Has anything ever ended your hunger forever? The only things that have ever done any good at all ended up being dangerous. As for research, anyone can publish their own research. It's not like there is any official oversight.

A product that fills your tummy can give you some of the same effect as having a bypass. Stomach fillers have been around for decades. And of course, it's well known that if you think it works, it will, and that feeling makes you encouraged so you eat less.

I hope this stuff works for whomever uses it, but I'll be waiting to see if if disappears down the black hole where the other billion miracle supplements have gone before I spend money on it.

[Joycelyn]

I have this book and it is awesome. The website is very informative as well.

I've just started taking pgx fiber, and combined with a low carb diet I no longer overeat.

This stuff is well researched and just wonderful. No gas, etc. that I get from other fibers. It's a keeper and I highly recommend the book, plus you can get the fiber on amazon if netrition doesn't have it (I got mine at my local health food store). If netrition has it, that's the way to go - I've always been totally satisfied with their prices and customer service.

[MountainGirl]

Originally Posted by Joycelyn

I have this book and it is awesome. The website is very informative as well.

Yes, I agree!

I've just started taking pgx fiber, and combined with a low carb diet I no longer overeat.

What a WONDERFUL testimony!! I know I can stick to my LC plan when I'm not starving all the time!

This stuff is well researched and just wonderful.

You are exactly right, there are 15 years of positive research that is available and scientific support for it. It is becoming more widely used and getting good reports!

No gas, etc. that I get from other fibers. It's a keeper and I highly recommend the book, plus you can get the fiber on amazon if netrition doesn't have it (I got mine at my local health food store). If netrition has it, that's the way to go - I've always been totally satisfied with their prices and customer service.

I found mine on sale, so it was cheaper than Amazon, but when I run out, I hope Netrition will be carrying it.

Please keep us updated on your progress!

How many PGX do you take a day?

[MountainGirl]

I wanted to share this again, perhaps it was overlooked:

What Are The Clinically Proven Health Benefits Associated With PGX?

PGX and its prototype compositions have been studied for over fifteen years at the University of Toronto and Risk Factor Modification Centre at St Michael’s Hospital in Toronto, Canada, by Dr. Vladimir Vuksan and his research group. (Previous names used in Dr. Vuskan’s publications include konjac-mannan, konjac-mannan polysaccharide mix, viscous fiber blend, and viscous polysaccharide blend.) This polysaccharide blend has now been further developed and refined into a commercially applicable product under the PGX logo. It is important to note that its mechanisms of action, properties, and health benefits remain, and continue to be supported with further laboratory research and clinical investigations. The Canadian Center for Functional Medicine has been using PGX extensively in various weight-loss programs and other medical interventions in regular medical and dietetic practice in order to investigate further its potency and the practicality of its application as learned from a clinical research setting.

[puttchikins]

Sooooooooooo I went to the health food store for other products and there it was a big display on the front counter and the book was 50% off so I figured I would try it...Every product doesn't work the same on everyone and maybe it will work for me...Besides we all need fiber..The only thing I scanned the book, the recipes and menus and it doesn't look locarb to me...

[MountainGirl]

Originally Posted by puttchikins

Sooooooooooo I went to the health food store for other products and there it was a big display on the front counter and the book was 50% off so I figured I would try it...Every product doesn't work the same on everyone and maybe it will work for me...Besides we all need fiber..The only thing I scanned the book, the recipes and menus and it doesn't look locarb to me...

I'm glad you tried it! I hope it works for you.
You are correct, everyone is different.
You won't know if it works unless you try it!!

As far as the book, I don't have mine yet, but what I plan to do is use the information and techniques and continue to use my LC plan.

[MountainGirl]

Lynda,

Again, you are entitled to your opinion, but it doesn't take away from the validity of the studies and research or the validity of the doctors recommending this.

I asked you if you had some concrete medical data to dispute what's been posted, but I don't see any. Everyone has an opinion, but it doesn't make them right. This thread isn't about arguing. I hope you can respect that. No one is telling you to spend anything or take anything, but I am sharing an exciting OPTION for people who want to try it.

If you get some real data that disputes what has been posted, please share it. We're all interested.

Information is power!!

Until then, I encourage you to check out the research and medical studies and again, check out the pioneers in NATURAL medicine who are supporting this, Dr. Michael T. Murray and Dr. Michael Lyon.

[fawn]

It's just fiber peeps!

Here's my take which is neither substantiated nor certified but here goes!

If you need assistance in the form of fiber for over eating purposes go for it. The only red flag I would see in a product such as this:

1. Not for those with leaky gut, IBS or other stomach/intestinal issue.
2. Definitely not for the WLS patient
3. Over consumption of fiber grabs essential vitamins and minerals prior to absorption

Michael Murray is a highly resepected naturopath in his field and while he and I disagree on the issue of saturated fat, he is top notch in my book.

Other than the above, it seems to be a safe supplement for those who may have a tendency to over eat. I wouldn't count on it for a life time but wouldn't hesitate to use it as long as i knew what the source was. I'm sorry, did that get discussed?

[MountainGirl]

Originally Posted by fawn

It's just fiber peeps!

Here's my take which is neither substantiated nor certified but here goes!

If you need assistance in the form of fiber for over eating purposes go for it.

Michael Murray is a highly resepected naturopath in his field and while he and I disagree on the issue of saturated fat, he is top notch in my book.

Other than the above, it seems to be a safe supplement for those who may have a tendency to over eat. I wouldn't count on it for a life time but wouldn't hesitate to use it as long as i knew what the source was. I'm sorry, did that get discussed?

Thank you Fawn! I appreciate your opinion as I know many others do.
In answer to your question, Dr. Murray says this:

Appendix D: Excerpt from: Hunger Free Forever Book, by Michael T. Murray

What is PGX?

PolyGlycoplex (PGX) is a proprietary blend of three natural viscous, nonstarch polysaccharides that act synergistically to develop a higher level of viscosity greater than other dietary viscous fibers known. This blend forms a unique gel matrix that is maintained in the gastrointestinal tract. Unlike many fiber-containing natural health products, PGX does not lose its gel-like viscosity in either acidic stomach or alkaline intestinal environments.

PGX is produced in a sophisticated process-induced viscosity technology via the EnviroSimplex method-in a conditioned chamber that collides the ingredients in an extract and precise proportion. The entire processing is pharmaceutical industry-based and strictly adheres to principles of good manufacturing practices (GMP). Every polysaccharide complex of PGX is an entity on its own and with its perfect composition and particle sizes contribute to maximum viscosity.

What Are The Physiological Benefits Of PGX?

The physiological benefits exerted by PGX relate to its nature as a highly viscous nonstarch polysaccharide (fiber) with a very high water-holding capacity. When consumed with food, PGX absorbs significant quantities of water, this increasing the volume of gastric content and promoting an early sense of satiety even when food portions are decreased. PGX also increases good viscosity, thus slowing the rate at which food is digested and absorbed. This leads to beneficial effects such as prolongation of after-meal satiety and normalization of post-prandial blood glucose and insulin excursions. This effect is in keeping with research demonstrating that the greater a fiber’s viscosity, the more effective it will be in reducing the glycemic response to foods.

In the colon, PGX is highly “prebiotic” in that is promotes growth of health bacteria and production of short-chain fatty acids (SCFA), substances that are vitally important to colon health. The primary SCFA produced by bacterial action on PGX is propionate, which has been shown to increase production of bifidobacteria, suppress the growth of undesirable microbes such as Candida albicans, and lower stool pH. Propionate is also taken up by the liver and may help decrease production of cholesterol and free fatty acids. As a viscous polysaccharide, PGX also increased excretion of bile acids. With lower levels of bile in the bloodstream, additional bile acids are produced by the liver from blood cholesterol, lowering blood cholesterol levels.

[jadelee]

Who are Fawn and Julia? I'm skeptical about everything and figure is there was a miracle way for people to lose weight, then there would be no fat people in the world any more!

[MountainGirl]

Originally Posted by fawn

3. Over consumption of fiber grabs essential vitamins and minerals prior to absorption

Fawn,
Dr. Murray says this about mineral absorption using PGX:

Appendix D: Excerpt from: Hunger Free Forever Book,
by Michael T. Murray


Does Taking PGX Lower Mineral Bioavailability?

Research regarding the effects of PGX on mineral bioavailability is currently unavailable. Nonetheless, there is little or no evidence that PGX could cause mineral deficiency. Only in studies using insoluble dietary fibers have reductions in the bioavailability of some minerals been shown. In fact, some health experts have concluded that absorption is improved through the gastrointestinal tract with the consumption of high nonstarch polysaccharides or high-fiber diets. As supportive evidence to their conclusions the following points can be made:

* Current evidence suggests that moderate fiber intake does not cause nutrient deficiencies, especially when consumed with a well-balanced diet.

* Research on glycomannan, one of the main ingredients of PGX, reports no reductions in mineral absorption.

* Phytic acid from cereal fibers or insoluble, nonviscous dietary fibers has been found to depress the absorption and retention of several minerals. Since PGX does not contain phytic acids, it is unlikely to affect mineral bioavailability.

Fermentable fibers such as PGX have been shown to be non-digestive by human enzymes in the small intestine. In the large intestine they are fermented into short-chain fatty acids, which have been shown to increase mineral absorption.

In summary, it would appear that dietary supplementation of PGX for extended periods does not adversely affect mineral balance.

[MountainGirl]

Originally Posted by jadelee

Who are Fawn and Julia? I'm skeptical about everything and figure is there was a miracle way for people to lose weight, then there would be no fat people in the world any more!

Ummm, Ok.
As for no more fat people, well, you don't know if something works unless you TRY it!
People will not lose weight unless they try.

[fawn]

Well girl, you have certainly done your homework! I wish you much success with the appetite control. The mineral bioavailability would be my biggest concern with this product but I respec Murray enough to believe his claims.
2 of his books are my text books actuall
Encyclopedia of healing foods and encyclopedia of nutritional supplements.

I think the first needs to be updated though......

Who are Fawn and Julia?

You haven't heard? They're the winners of America's Top Model!