cla/gla combo helped to end my stall

eagle eye · 03-15-2008, 06:27 PM

This is my second time on lc. The first time was in 1995 when I lost about 40lbs. I started on or about 1-25-08 for the second time. I lost 4lbs the first week and 2lbs more pounds the second week. Then I experienced the mother of all stalls. I could not get the scales to move I was stuck. I tried to do induction over, there was no change. Then I read about cla/gla combo on this website. Most of the posts were talking about how rapidly they lost inches and not pounds. I said to myself - if I can't lose weight then i'll try the combo and lose inches. In other words, I was determined to lose something other than my mind (LOL). Well, after I rec'd my order from netrition last Friday (3-7-08) I began to lose weight. To date (eight days later) I have lost seven lbs. That is almost a pound a day. I don't know how many inches I've lost because I did not measure myself. I am posting this hoping that I help someone else who has reached a stall after diong everything else right. Oh and if you're wondering I am a female.

AlittleStar · 03-15-2008, 07:18 PM

Thanks for posting this. Did you change any of your foods while adding the cla/gla combo? Congratulations on ending your stall

I know you must be so happy about this.

JadeRosie · 03-15-2008, 08:11 PM

how much of each do you take? And what is GLA?

swinglow · 03-15-2008, 08:23 PM

Eagleye, congratulations!!!

I, too, am in love with CLA/GLA. I only started taking it 4 days ago and have lost 6 pounds. The last time I did low carb it took me a month to lose 8! Oh, and I've lost this weight during TOM

Woo wooh!! for CLA/GLA

For those that are curious there's a CLA/GLA thread here ~*~" Waist'ing Away" with CLA/GLA... March 2008 ~*~

Lots of great people getting great results. Also pretty much sums up the dosage and all that: 3400 mg CLA per day (tonalin is best) works out to be 5 capsules and 500 to 1000 mg GLA per day (4 to 8 borage oil caps will do the trick)

blessedtamekia · 03-15-2008, 09:26 PM

Eagleye,
All I can say is I had already made up my mind that I was going to purchase these supplements but when Swinglow sent me the link to this post...........that was it!! Congratulations and thank you.

Tamekia

lisabinil · 03-16-2008, 05:36 AM

Do some research before you start the Combo. I post on the same thread and through researching have discovered that the CLA is a transfatty acid. I do continue to take the GLA. The Combo can also stall your weight loss after taking it for awhile. Also the combo can be a blood thinner for some so check with your doc and tell him/her all the supplements you are taking.

swinglow · 03-16-2008, 09:10 AM

That is fascinating, Lisabinil! I'm going to do some research on that, as well. I think it's strange that there should be potential dangers in taking an essential fatty acid that should be in our foods but isn't. I mean, if the beef and milk and cheese came from cows that grazed naturally we would get a healthy supply of CLA in our daily diets. So to replace that would be dangerous? That seems suspect to me.

I'm always leary when unclear information comes out about supplements being "unsafe". Because I truly believe it is in the drug companies' best interest that we not fill our nutritional deficiencies.

Of course, I think everyone should check with their doctors when taking any supplement; but I wonder about that, as well, for medical doctors are trained in pharmaceuticals and surgical methods. Not so much in holistic methods.

lisabinil · 03-16-2008, 09:31 AM

Check out Udo Erasmus's site. He is an expert on fats and the author of the book "Fats that Heal, Fats that Kill". He gives a good explanation how the manufacturing of CLA turns it into a transfatty acid.
UdoErasmus.com > CLA - Conjugated Linoleic Acid - Conjugated or Compromised? (PART 1 of 9)

"CLA: conjugated linoleic acid, a trans- fatty acid made from the n-6 essential linoleic acid by bacterial or industrial partial hydrogenation, or by high-temperature industrial processing. CLA, made by a bond shift and a twist of the molecule, is not a nutrient that is 'essential' for health."

"CLA is made from LA, the n-6 EFA, by flipping one of the double bonds in the LA molecule one carbon closer to the other one. This changes the 'methylene-interrupted' double bonds present in EFAs (double bonds start 3 carbons apart) into 'conjugated' double bonds (double bonds start 2 carbons apart). At the same time, one of the double bonds found in the cis- configuration in an EFA (hydrogen atoms on the carbons involved in the double bond are on the same side of the molecule) twists 180°. The hydrogen atoms are now in a more stable, but biologically less desirable trans- configuration (hydrogen atoms on the carbons involved in the double bond are on opposite sides of the molecule). Trans- means 'across'. Hence the name trans- fatty acid."

swinglow · 03-16-2008, 09:50 AM

Interesting... so CLA is still a missing component from our diet but, at this time, we have no way of supplementing with it without using the trans fatty form.

I'm still not sure that it helps, then, to discuss it with a doctor. I mean, would he be familiar with the the author of "Fats that heal"? Would he be familiar of this hydrogenation in order to create CLA?

I'm curious as to why CLA has been found beneficial in so many studies if it's actually a danger? So many questions are left and it's likely to be one of those debates that goes on, even between the experts for... well, forever.

As it stands, the health benefits of the only CLA that we have access to are as follows: "reduces body fat, increases lean muscle tissue, contributes to the body's ability to metabolize existing fat deposits, changes serum total lipids and decreases whole body glucose uptake."

I wonder if the dangers of CLA are more closely related to the proposed dangers of low carb. Which is also likely to be debated for... well, forever.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lisabinil

Check out Udo Erasmus's site. He is an expert on fats and the author of the book "Fats that Heal, Fats that Kill". He gives a good explanation how the manufacturing of CLA turns it into a transfatty acid.
UdoErasmus.com > CLA - Conjugated Linoleic Acid - Conjugated or Compromised? (PART 1 of 9)

"CLA: conjugated linoleic acid, a trans- fatty acid made from the n-6 essential linoleic acid by bacterial or industrial partial hydrogenation, or by high-temperature industrial processing. CLA, made by a bond shift and a twist of the molecule, is not a nutrient that is 'essential' for health."

"CLA is made from LA, the n-6 EFA, by flipping one of the double bonds in the LA molecule one carbon closer to the other one. This changes the 'methylene-interrupted' double bonds present in EFAs (double bonds start 3 carbons apart) into 'conjugated' double bonds (double bonds start 2 carbons apart). At the same time, one of the double bonds found in the cis- configuration in an EFA (hydrogen atoms on the carbons involved in the double bond are on the same side of the molecule) twists 180°. The hydrogen atoms are now in a more stable, but biologically less desirable trans- configuration (hydrogen atoms on the carbons involved in the double bond are on opposite sides of the molecule). Trans- means 'across'. Hence the name trans- fatty acid."

thisisrightnow · 03-16-2008, 09:54 AM

That's awesome. I had to quit the CLA/GLA combo because I wasn't getting anywhere. My weight was stalled and I had actually GAINED inches, which I thought was counteracting what it was supposed to do.

lisabinil · 03-16-2008, 09:55 AM

It is still a processed not a natural product and most of the lc gurus I have been reading do not advocate it or are still undecided. I had a nice whoosh when first using it and got back into my size 14's-after that my weight stalled out-it happens to quite a few of us after the initial whoosh. My doc ok'ed the GLA but didn't advocate the CLA.

Quote:

Originally Posted by swinglow

Interesting... so CLA is still a missing component from our diet but, at this time, we have no way of supplementing with it without using the trans fatty form.

I'm still not sure that it helps, then, to discuss it with a doctor. I mean, would he be familiar with the the author of "Fats that heal"? Would he be familiar of this hydrogenation in order to create CLA?

I'm curious as to why CLA has been found beneficial in so many studies if it's actually a danger? So many questions are left and it's likely to be one of those debates that goes on, even between the experts for... well, forever.

As it stands, the health benefits of the only CLA that we have access to are as follows: "reduces body fat, increases lean muscle tissue, contributes to the body's ability to metabolize existing fat deposits, changes serum total lipids and decreases whole body glucose uptake."

I wonder if the dangers of CLA are more closely related to the proposed dangers of low carb. Which is also likely to be debated for... well, forever.

swinglow · 03-16-2008, 10:12 AM

I'm just hoping that people that could really benefit from this product don't miss out on it because of a few experiences and uncertainties.

I'm also posting a link to the CLA/GLA thread for those who have questions of others that are taking and having great results. Lots of pics, too, so... For those who are interested:

~*~" Waist'ing Away" with CLA/GLA... March 2008 ~*~

Quote:

Originally Posted by lisabinil

It is still a processed not a natural product and most of the lc gurus I have been reading do not advocate it or are still undecided. I had a nice whoosh when first using it and got back into my size 14's-after that my weight stalled out-it happens to quite a few of us after the initial whoosh. My doc ok'ed the GLA but didn't advocate the CLA.

Agee · 03-16-2008, 10:27 AM

I looked at the Udo Erasmus site and honestly, it looks like he's trying to convince people to buy his supplements. None of the studies he references were published after 2001, and there have been hundreds since then. I did a quick search in PubMed under CLA - humans, and got 1000 results - even with some errors in the database results the Erasmus guy only quotes 52 sources.
So - not saying I think it's good or bad for you b/c I don't know, simply that one website claiming it's bad does not convince me. I haven't had the results that others have had with the combo, but I haven't had the results others have had with LC, either. Certainly if we could get CLA in a more natural form it'd be better, and apparently the best way to get it is grass fed beef, dairy from grass-fed beef, and eggs.
If only I had a giant freezer!
A

LeanLioness · 03-16-2008, 10:39 AM

I eat grass grazed beef and try to purchase organic dairy products when I can and I also take the Tonalin CLA and have GREAT results!!

I am taking the CLA/GLA combination (both DH and I) and we are having awesome results so far...................

Leo41 · 03-16-2008, 11:06 AM

I took CLA for about a month and noticed no difference, but I eat only grass-fed beef, and when I have cheese or butter, it's organic (from grass-fed animals) and thus I think I get my CLA in my food.

HevinMonkey · 03-16-2008, 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swinglow

.I'm also posting a link to the CLA/GLA thread for those who have questions of others that are taking and having great results. Lots of pics, too, so... For those who are interested:

~*~" Waist'ing Away" with CLA/GLA... March 2008 ~*~

Thanks for the link...I have been interested in this as well. Are you all finding that results like this are typical?

And I have to get on my soapbox for a minute and totally agree with you. Medical doctors are not typically trained with a sense of how they can help us help ourselves thru proper eating and supplementation, the focus there seems to be far less about Health care than it is Sickness care, so it really is up to each one of us individually to self educate and seek the knowledge and wisdom to give our bodies the best care that we possibly can. And I don't think drugs are surgery were ever meant to be the first line of defense, when there is so much we can be doing to prevent the need for that. Now if I need that I will be the first one to want a good doctor around! But outside of that, I just can't lay the responsibility for my own health at anyone else's feet. Not when the information is out there to be had. *sorry...off my soap box now*

swinglow · 03-16-2008, 11:32 AM

HevinMonkey! You have hit the nail on the head. Your soapbox moment is much appreciated.

Most of those in the thread are reporting major inch loss followed by occassional swooshes in weight. It seems the more fat you have to lose the more often the swooshes. Before and during progress pics are shared every month around the 11th.

Look for the pictures of Justachic, FreeingMyself and Lildragonfly. All have posted pics within the last few days.

eagle eye · 03-16-2008, 12:53 PM

JadeRosie I am taking 1/2 tablespoon of liquid cla and 2 borage oil pills to get 480mg of gla(from netrition). Although most people recommend at least 500mg of gla I'm only taking 480mg because each pill=240mg of gla. Please click on the link provided by Swinglow to get a better understanding of the cla/gla combo. IMO you will probably get as many opinions as there are people about what dosages to take. I'm just glad that I am no longer stalled and as long as I lose something be it weight or inches I will continue.

lisabinil · 03-16-2008, 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swinglow

HevinMonkey! You have hit the nail on the head. Your soapbox moment is much appreciated.

Most of those in the thread are reporting major inch loss followed by occassional swooshes in weight. It seems the more fat you have to lose the more often the swooshes. Before and during progress pics are shared every month around the 11th.

Look for the pictures of Justachic, FreeingMyself and Lildragonfly. All have posted pics within the last few days.

Lildragonfly stopped the CLA also-her results are from Callanetics.

lisabinil · 03-16-2008, 06:48 PM

Udo Erasmus is not the only one with some doubts about CLA. Johnny Bowden doesn't endorse it either and a couple of other lc gurus-I'll have to check my books. I am not paying top dollar to supplement my body with a transfat. I believe Ann Gittelman of the Fat Flush does recommend CLA though.

lildragonfly · 03-16-2008, 06:49 PM

Yea actually I havent taken CLA in 2 months. I only take GLA. My results came from callanetics.

swinglow · 03-16-2008, 07:43 PM

Way to go, Lildragonfly!

I've been taking CLA for all of 5 days. I've had great results and I feel great. But I don't think that's the point. Nor do I think it's the point who endorses it or who doesn't. The only thing I care about are published studies. Multiple studies have shown it beneficial. Where are the multiple studies to combat that?

There's a difference between not endorsing something and being anti something. Are you saying all of the people you listed agree with Udo? Have they stated CLA is dangerous and warned others against it? Or are they just being neutral until more information presents itself? Just for clarification purposes, I mean.

The thing is, I don't think you're wrong for not taking CLA. I just think it's less than beneficial for others to be warned off it without solid backing evidence. That's all I'm saying.

lisabinil · 03-16-2008, 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swinglow

Way to go, Lildragonfly!

I've been taking CLA for all of 5 days. I've had great results and I feel great. But I don't think that's the point. Nor do I think it's the point who endorses it or who doesn't. The only thing I care about are published studies. Multiple studies have shown it beneficial. Where are the multiple studies to combat that?

There's a difference between not endorsing something and being anti something. Are you saying all of the people you listed agree with Udo? Have they stated CLA is dangerous and warned others against it? Or are they just being neutral until more information presents itself? Just for clarification purposes, I mean.

The thing is, I don't think you're wrong for not taking CLA. I just think it's less than beneficial for others to be warned off it without solid backing evidence. That's all I'm saying.

Most of the books I've read are by doctors such as the Eades of PP fame and Johnny Bowden has years of personal training and lc experience under his belt. A lot of the multiple studies have been based on animal not human studies also. And also I had experience taking CLA-like KYcowgirl said it's not a magic bullet or pill and I'm just sharing my experiences and knowledge.

swinglow · 03-16-2008, 07:55 PM

But the question still stands. Are you saying the Eades and Bowden are anti CLA? Or are you just saying they don't endorse CLA. There's a huge difference. Like saying your neutral about something and saying your against something.

I have not attacked your personal experience and I don't wish to give that impression. My interest is clearly on the side of those that are not familiar with all the readings or all of these different authors. I mean, there are plenty of doctors that say that low carb is uns

03-15-2008, 06:27 PM	#1
eagle eye Junior LCF Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 25 Gallery: eagle eye	cla/gla combo helped to end my stall This is my second time on lc. The first time was in 1995 when I lost about 40lbs. I started on or about 1-25-08 for the second time. I lost 4lbs the first week and 2lbs more pounds the second week. Then I experienced the mother of all stalls. I could not get the scales to move I was stuck. I tried to do induction over, there was no change. Then I read about cla/gla combo on this website. Most of the posts were talking about how rapidly they lost inches and not pounds. I said to myself - if I can't lose weight then i'll try the combo and lose inches. In other words, I was determined to lose something other than my mind (LOL). Well, after I rec'd my order from netrition last Friday (3-7-08) I began to lose weight. To date (eight days later) I have lost seven lbs. That is almost a pound a day. I don't know how many inches I've lost because I did not measure myself. I am posting this hoping that I help someone else who has reached a stall after diong everything else right. Oh and if you're wondering I am a female. Last edited by eagle eye : 03-15-2008 at 06:29 PM.

03-15-2008, 08:23 PM	#4
swinglow Senior LCF Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Goldsboro, NC Posts: 516 Gallery: swinglow Stats: 241/228.0 WOE: The Anabolic Diet; CLA/GLA; Lift heavy to failure! Start Date: March 11, 2008	Eagleye, congratulations!!! I, too, am in love with CLA/GLA. I only started taking it 4 days ago and have lost 6 pounds. The last time I did low carb it took me a month to lose 8! Oh, and I've lost this weight during TOM Woo wooh!! for CLA/GLA For those that are curious there's a CLA/GLA thread here ~~" Waist'ing Away" with CLA/GLA... March 2008 ~~ Lots of great people getting great results. Also pretty much sums up the dosage and all that: 3400 mg CLA per day (tonalin is best) works out to be 5 capsules and 500 to 1000 mg GLA per day (4 to 8 borage oil caps will do the trick) __________________ Denise "Love is just a word until someone comes along and gives it meaning" - Anonymous

03-16-2008, 09:31 AM	#8
lisabinil Big Yapper!!!! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: suburbs of Chicago Posts: 8,770 Gallery: lisabinil Stats: 214/185/180 287 in 00 WOE: higher carb Atkins Start Date: SBD 3/5/07,Atkins 4/18/07	Check out Udo Erasmus's site. He is an expert on fats and the author of the book "Fats that Heal, Fats that Kill". He gives a good explanation how the manufacturing of CLA turns it into a transfatty acid. UdoErasmus.com > CLA - Conjugated Linoleic Acid - Conjugated or Compromised? (PART 1 of 9) "CLA: conjugated linoleic acid, a trans- fatty acid made from the n-6 essential linoleic acid by bacterial or industrial partial hydrogenation, or by high-temperature industrial processing. CLA, made by a bond shift and a twist of the molecule, is not a nutrient that is 'essential' for health." "CLA is made from LA, the n-6 EFA, by flipping one of the double bonds in the LA molecule one carbon closer to the other one. This changes the 'methylene-interrupted' double bonds present in EFAs (double bonds start 3 carbons apart) into 'conjugated' double bonds (double bonds start 2 carbons apart). At the same time, one of the double bonds found in the cis- configuration in an EFA (hydrogen atoms on the carbons involved in the double bond are on the same side of the molecule) twists 180°. The hydrogen atoms are now in a more stable, but biologically less desirable trans- configuration (hydrogen atoms on the carbons involved in the double bond are on opposite sides of the molecule). Trans- means 'across'. Hence the name trans- fatty acid." __________________ 26 hrs of 10 in 10 Callanetics completed Walk Away The Pounds Challenge-52.5 miles

03-16-2008, 10:27 AM	#13
Agee Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: NC Posts: 430 Gallery: Agee Stats: 180/172.8/135 WOE: LC Start Date: 8/25/08	I looked at the Udo Erasmus site and honestly, it looks like he's trying to convince people to buy his supplements. None of the studies he references were published after 2001, and there have been hundreds since then. I did a quick search in PubMed under CLA - humans, and got 1000 results - even with some errors in the database results the Erasmus guy only quotes 52 sources. So - not saying I think it's good or bad for you b/c I don't know, simply that one website claiming it's bad does not convince me. I haven't had the results that others have had with the combo, but I haven't had the results others have had with LC, either. Certainly if we could get CLA in a more natural form it'd be better, and apparently the best way to get it is grass fed beef, dairy from grass-fed beef, and eggs. If only I had a giant freezer! A __________________ I don't know what the heck I'm doing...

03-15-2008, 07:18 PM	#2
AlittleStar Senior LCF Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 739 Gallery: AlittleStar Stats: fullfat/lowfat/nonfat WOE: Atkins	Thanks for posting this. Did you change any of your foods while adding the cla/gla combo? Congratulations on ending your stall I know you must be so happy about this.

03-15-2008, 08:11 PM	#3
JadeRosie Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: District of Columbia Posts: 11,986 Gallery: JadeRosie Stats: 205/190/125 WOE: atkins Start Date: August 2008	how much of each do you take? And what is GLA?

03-15-2008, 09:26 PM	#5
blessedtamekia Senior LCF Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Charleston, South Carolina Posts: 765 Gallery: blessedtamekia Stats: 215.4/192/180 (first goal) WOE: Low Carb/High Protein Start Date: Officially Started: September 17, 2007	Eagleye, All I can say is I had already made up my mind that I was going to purchase these supplements but when Swinglow sent me the link to this post...........that was it!! Congratulations and thank you. Tamekia

03-16-2008, 05:36 AM	#6
lisabinil Big Yapper!!!! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: suburbs of Chicago Posts: 8,770 Gallery: lisabinil Stats: 214/185/180 287 in 00 WOE: higher carb Atkins Start Date: SBD 3/5/07,Atkins 4/18/07	Do some research before you start the Combo. I post on the same thread and through researching have discovered that the CLA is a transfatty acid. I do continue to take the GLA. The Combo can also stall your weight loss after taking it for awhile. Also the combo can be a blood thinner for some so check with your doc and tell him/her all the supplements you are taking.

03-16-2008, 09:10 AM	#7
swinglow Senior LCF Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Goldsboro, NC Posts: 516 Gallery: swinglow Stats: 241/228.0 WOE: The Anabolic Diet; CLA/GLA; Lift heavy to failure! Start Date: March 11, 2008	That is fascinating, Lisabinil! I'm going to do some research on that, as well. I think it's strange that there should be potential dangers in taking an essential fatty acid that should be in our foods but isn't. I mean, if the beef and milk and cheese came from cows that grazed naturally we would get a healthy supply of CLA in our daily diets. So to replace that would be dangerous? That seems suspect to me. I'm always leary when unclear information comes out about supplements being "unsafe". Because I truly believe it is in the drug companies' best interest that we not fill our nutritional deficiencies. Of course, I think everyone should check with their doctors when taking any supplement; but I wonder about that, as well, for medical doctors are trained in pharmaceuticals and surgical methods. Not so much in holistic methods.

03-16-2008, 09:54 AM	#10
thisisrightnow MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Fort Wayne, IN Posts: 1,006 Gallery: thisisrightnow Stats: 240/179.4/140-150 -- size 18/10/6-8 5'6" WOE: LC (higher fat, lower carb) Start Date: 5/10/07	That's awesome. I had to quit the CLA/GLA combo because I wasn't getting anywhere. My weight was stalled and I had actually GAINED inches, which I thought was counteracting what it was supposed to do.

03-16-2008, 10:39 AM	#14
LeanLioness Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Du Quoin, IL Posts: 3,502 Gallery: LeanLioness Stats: 230/224/120 WOE: Starting over, Atkins Phase 1 Start Date: Started Induction Again, Oct. 5 2008	I eat grass grazed beef and try to purchase organic dairy products when I can and I also take the Tonalin CLA and have GREAT results!! I am taking the CLA/GLA combination (both DH and I) and we are having awesome results so far...................

03-16-2008, 11:06 AM	#15
Leo41 Senior LCF Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 312 Gallery: Leo41	I took CLA for about a month and noticed no difference, but I eat only grass-fed beef, and when I have cheese or butter, it's organic (from grass-fed animals) and thus I think I get my CLA in my food.

03-16-2008, 11:32 AM	#17
swinglow Senior LCF Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Goldsboro, NC Posts: 516 Gallery: swinglow Stats: 241/228.0 WOE: The Anabolic Diet; CLA/GLA; Lift heavy to failure! Start Date: March 11, 2008	HevinMonkey! You have hit the nail on the head. Your soapbox moment is much appreciated. Most of those in the thread are reporting major inch loss followed by occassional swooshes in weight. It seems the more fat you have to lose the more often the swooshes. Before and during progress pics are shared every month around the 11th. Look for the pictures of Justachic, FreeingMyself and Lildragonfly. All have posted pics within the last few days.

03-16-2008, 12:53 PM	#18
eagle eye Junior LCF Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 25 Gallery: eagle eye	JadeRosie I am taking 1/2 tablespoon of liquid cla and 2 borage oil pills to get 480mg of gla(from netrition). Although most people recommend at least 500mg of gla I'm only taking 480mg because each pill=240mg of gla. Please click on the link provided by Swinglow to get a better understanding of the cla/gla combo. IMO you will probably get as many opinions as there are people about what dosages to take. I'm just glad that I am no longer stalled and as long as I lose something be it weight or inches I will continue.

03-16-2008, 06:48 PM	#20
lisabinil Big Yapper!!!! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: suburbs of Chicago Posts: 8,770 Gallery: lisabinil Stats: 214/185/180 287 in 00 WOE: higher carb Atkins Start Date: SBD 3/5/07,Atkins 4/18/07	Udo Erasmus is not the only one with some doubts about CLA. Johnny Bowden doesn't endorse it either and a couple of other lc gurus-I'll have to check my books. I am not paying top dollar to supplement my body with a transfat. I believe Ann Gittelman of the Fat Flush does recommend CLA though.

03-16-2008, 06:49 PM	#21
lildragonfly MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Middle TN Posts: 2,141 Gallery: lildragonfly Stats: 18w/10/7-8 WOE: learning my body Start Date: 10/15/07 started Atkins	Yea actually I havent taken CLA in 2 months. I only take GLA. My results came from callanetics.

03-16-2008, 07:43 PM	#22
swinglow Senior LCF Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Goldsboro, NC Posts: 516 Gallery: swinglow Stats: 241/228.0 WOE: The Anabolic Diet; CLA/GLA; Lift heavy to failure! Start Date: March 11, 2008	Way to go, Lildragonfly! I've been taking CLA for all of 5 days. I've had great results and I feel great. But I don't think that's the point. Nor do I think it's the point who endorses it or who doesn't. The only thing I care about are published studies. Multiple studies have shown it beneficial. Where are the multiple studies to combat that? There's a difference between not endorsing something and being anti something. Are you saying all of the people you listed agree with Udo? Have they stated CLA is dangerous and warned others against it? Or are they just being neutral until more information presents itself? Just for clarification purposes, I mean. The thing is, I don't think you're wrong for not taking CLA. I just think it's less than beneficial for others to be warned off it without solid backing evidence. That's all I'm saying.