You didn't "Fall Off the Wagon". - Page 5

ravengal · 11-04-2008, 07:58 PM

This is one of the best threads I've ever read on this board.

binga · 11-05-2008, 04:15 AM

Doesn't "fall off the wagon " mean
to start drinking again ?
And that can cause a food binge too
so I guess it both applies

oobladee · 11-05-2008, 08:23 AM

Hi Binga, yes, drinking certainly can impair judgment and throw off a food plan calorically and chemically. Alcohol assimilates more like a fat, more readily stored.

I had to pop in here to say I choose alcohol over sweets as my discretionary calories. It must be moderated just like food, and I must remember that those are empty calories!

Today I will remember to honor my food plan to give my body more valuable calories!

DBrown8614 · 11-05-2008, 09:17 AM

EXACTLY it is all about choices!

Great thread

didi · 11-05-2008, 09:52 AM

I've just read this entire thread. It is very thought provoking and makes me feel better about this WOE. I do not have to be perfect, but I strive to be the best LCer I can be. To be healthier.

Unfortunately, now I want pie!

Dianna

Tooter · 01-15-2009, 11:45 AM

*bump* for anyone who needs to hear this today.

disgal · 01-15-2009, 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jezzie

I always thought it was a strange way to explain it.

"It's wasn't my choice. I'm not responsible.
I tripped and my face fell into a chocolate cream pie."

If only. Did I say that?

disgal · 01-15-2009, 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by faithgirl

I was just thinking about this yesterday. When I first came to these boards it seemd like everyone was putting these little statements in their signature: __ days cheat free. Then an entire fight broke out over one woman who was in a place away from home and there was nowhere to get anything lowcarb, so she chose a whole grain cereal to eat and mentioned it in a thread. So many people called her out on it and argued with her that she could no longer say she was cheat free. I thought, my gosh, she did what she had to do and made the best decision she could make in that situation.

Even Dr. Atkins said he would occasionally eat in the CAD style if he had some event he had to be at and didn't have very good lowcarb choices. Did Dr. Atkins fall off the wagon? NO! He made this a lifestyle, and that is how you do it.

This is it! Yes! Just like so many have said, it's the choice we make and try really hard to make them good. Because.........it's a lifestyle. I've gotten into so much trouble in the past because I thought of it as a temp. thing like a diet. Lifestyle, Lifestyle, Lifestyle. Wooohooo!

afuentes · 01-15-2009, 04:11 PM

I am glad that this thread was brought back.

Great post. It is our choices. I have that attitude at times and it is what makes me crazy everytime. If I make a bad choice at lunch, I will make dinner a better one.

Bobbin · 01-15-2009, 06:58 PM

I know when I've claimed to fall off the wagon, it was really just a subconscious excuse to eat foods I shouldn't be eating....

tybeeanna · 01-15-2009, 07:10 PM

Tooter You are a true LCF Thanks great post

smudgepot · 01-16-2009, 01:49 AM

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

The last couple days have been "bad choice" days and I have been beating myself up about it. I have been really down and feeling like a failure. This post made me realise that all that I have learnt and the road that I have travelled is not in vain! It was a couple days of bad choices, but that doesn't mean that my goals or WOE now should change.

Whew!

sassymanal · 01-16-2009, 02:31 AM

I agree!

Lola Bartez · 01-16-2009, 03:10 AM

Funny - I never think in terms of "falling off the wagon" at the time - it might be how I refer to it after the fact though, and I don't use it as an excuse for a binge either. But I do think in terms of "getting back on the wagon" which seems to help

For me, if it was just about choices - good and bad - it would be an excuse to make the odd bad choice here and there. I need to be on a wagon - I'm good for much longer like that. And when you do "fall off" it doesn't mean you stay off - you can get right back on it you know

Jane - on the wagon

x

whatwagon · 01-16-2009, 03:52 AM

as you can tell by my siggy, I don't buy into the wagon thing. When I went off plan last year and subsequently regained a ton of weight, the wagon wasn't the issue. For me it was more like being hit by a bus- the odd thing is I was driving

flatferenghi · 01-16-2009, 04:03 AM

i could not have said it better myself. Love & Profits: FLATFERENGHI (5th day & feeling better all the time)

oobladee · 01-17-2009, 10:57 AM

Let's take pride in being responsible for ourselves....goldenrod

I very much agree with this. For me the task at hand is to own my choices, good and bad.

Indeed, if one can eat clean 100% of the time it's no skin off my nose. For myself - after many years of soul searching & trial/error, that is not the goal. LC taught me how to eat better most of my days without feeling out of control.

Food can be an adventure; that trip is what we make of it. It's not about judging others; this is your personalized trip planner.

It's not about gorging ourselves with tasty choices. It's not about 100% denial. It's not about guilt.

It is about knowing your body and what types of fuel it needs. It is about being with family/friends and sharing nourishing appealing food. It is knowing where your line is.

Our exercise plans are much the same. I want for my family time together doing active things. I want to challenge my body and condition it in many ways. The goal is not to bust the clock on a treadmill every day, but to make myself accountable that I did use this body that wants to work/bend/play.

Being responible and owning our choices are very important. In this information age, it is hard not to get obsessed with what is good for us and what is bad for us. Man alive, we are freakin neurotic about food anymore. Fact is, we are living longer than ever before. Stats will try to concern us that this next generation will change that; but why make rules for the masses when it is an individual responsibility? m'kay...i am getting off track now! LOL

fawn · 01-17-2009, 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oobladee

Let's take pride in being responsible for ourselves....goldenrod

I very much agree with this. For me the task at hand is to own my choices, good and bad.

Indeed, if one can eat clean 100% of the time it's no skin off my nose. For myself - after many years of soul searching & trial/error, that is not the goal. LC taught me how to eat better most of my days without feeling out of control.

Food can be an adventure; that trip is what we make of it. It's not about judging others; this is your personalized trip planner.

It's not about gorging ourselves with tasty choices. It's not about 100% denial. It's not about guilt.

It is about knowing your body and what types of fuel it needs. It is about being with family/friends and sharing nourishing appealing food. It is knowing where your line is.

Our exercise plans are much the same. I want for my family time together doing active things. I want to challenge my body and condition it in many ways. The goal is not to bust the clock on a treadmill every day, but to make myself accountable that I did use this body that wants to work/bend/play.

Being responible and owning our choices are very important.

Nice post

Tooter · 01-17-2009, 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oobladee

Let's take pride in being responsible for ourselves....goldenrod

I very much agree with this. For me the task at hand is to own my choices, good and bad.

Indeed, if one can eat clean 100% of the time it's no skin off my nose. For myself - after many years of soul searching & trial/error, that is not the goal. LC taught me how to eat better most of my days without feeling out of control.

Food can be an adventure; that trip is what we make of it. It's not about judging others; this is your personalized trip planner.

It's not about gorging ourselves with tasty choices. It's not about 100% denial. It's not about guilt.

It is about knowing your body and what types of fuel it needs. It is about being with family/friends and sharing nourishing appealing food. It is knowing where your line is.

Our exercise plans are much the same. I want for my family time together doing active things. I want to challenge my body and condition it in many ways. The goal is not to bust the clock on a treadmill every day, but to make myself accountable that I did use this body that wants to work/bend/play.

Being responible and owning our choices are very important. In this information age, it is hard not to get obsessed with what is good for us and what is bad for us. Man alive, we are freakin neurotic about food anymore. Fact is, we are living longer than ever before. Stats will try to concern us that this next generation will change that; but why make rules for the masses when it is an individual responsibility? m'kay...i am getting off track now! LOL

LowCarbinChica · 01-17-2009, 11:13 AM

Good thread. For the first time in my life (even after Gastric Bypass surgery), I've been able to keep the weight off and it's precisely due to changing my way of thinking to this. Eating a low-carb, high fiber diet is NORMAL and Healthy, not a "diet". I love this site.

MarblesLongGone · 01-17-2009, 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jezzie

..."It's wasn't my choice. I'm not responsible.
I tripped and my face fell into a chocolate cream pie."..

What if someone tripped me into the pie?

Tooter · 01-17-2009, 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarblesLongGone

What if someone tripped me into the pie?

MarblesLongGone · 01-17-2009, 11:24 AM

It's been well over a decade since I had a chocolate cream pie!

luvnit · 01-17-2009, 02:54 PM

This came at just the right time. Since I have recommitted myself to being healthy I keep reminding myself its about choices. In the time that I have been successful before as long as I have been true to my mantra it has worked out for me. I'm positive that it will work out for me once again.

wvcatholicmom · 01-17-2009, 03:29 PM

Good advice, thanks for sharing that with us.

MarblesLongGone · 01-17-2009, 06:01 PM

Now, no slapstick comedy pie fights...

oobladee · 01-17-2009, 06:47 PM

Allie said in post #7: I admit to having an 'all or nothing' attitude during weight loss and I think it helped me.

This deserves some observation. I most definitley agree that at first, this also worked for me in changing my exercise and in my eating ways. i would say that the reason it worked was to really learn another way as opposed to blowing around aimlessly. Once you learn it and it has done its thing for you, then it may be okay to adapt and make it your own.

Even at that, on the days when I truly could not do what I needed to do, it was important to forgive myself, learn and keep on.

Tommyswife · 01-17-2009, 06:58 PM

I read this statement in a post yesterday and was puzzled as to why they would refer to it as failing if the wagon when in fact they willingly jumped off the wagon. Falling is one thing but purposely making an informed conscious decision to eat off plan is just that.

MarblesLongGone · 01-17-2009, 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tommyswife

I read this statement in a post yesterday and was puzzled as to why they would refer to it as failing if the wagon when in fact they willingly jumped off the wagon. Falling is one thing but purposely making an informed conscious decision to eat off plan is just that.

If you are VERY sensitive to things, and you were served something that a sane person would assume was safe, but it was filled with stuff that started a craving, say an omelette or scrambled eggs in a restaurant that they dump pancake batter into to extend it, and keep it from drying out, then you have some cause to say, fell, not leapt...

oobladee · 01-18-2009, 06:30 PM

Tommyswife: I tend to agree with you here. I read where so many folks blame the food - too many carbs! 2 much sugar! Processed!

...and I get that eating those types of things in great amounts don't help many of us want to stay on track. Yes, yes, eating higher fat/protein helps, but apparently it is not the total panacea we want to see.

Those "lesser" foods do not CAUSE us to go off plan whether consciously or not - we do. WE are the ones who had crappy planning or _______(insert your best excuse here). Those foods do not leap into our mouths. Unless someone had a gun to your head, you picked it up and tossed it back.

Once those foods get past your lips, say all you want about how those bad foods caused you to not be able to stop for days/months/years...whatever...you hit deaf ears with me.

01-15-2009, 06:58 PM	#130
Bobbin Senior LCF Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Mile High City Posts: 648 Gallery: Bobbin Stats: 256/219.5/145 WOE: Atkins	I know when I've claimed to fall off the wagon, it was really just a subconscious excuse to eat foods I shouldn't be eating.... Last edited by Bobbin; 01-15-2009 at 07:53 PM..

01-16-2009, 02:31 AM	#133
sassymanal Senior LCF Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: TN Posts: 545 Gallery: sassymanal Stats: 230/167-170/150? 5'7" 24y Start Date: 08/06/08	I agree! Last edited by sassymanal; 01-16-2009 at 02:33 AM..

01-16-2009, 03:10 AM	#134
Lola Bartez Senior LCF Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Carcassonne, South West France Posts: 162 Gallery: Lola Bartez WOE: EFGT - Barry Groves	Funny - I never think in terms of "falling off the wagon" at the time - it might be how I refer to it after the fact though, and I don't use it as an excuse for a binge either. But I do think in terms of "getting back on the wagon" which seems to help For me, if it was just about choices - good and bad - it would be an excuse to make the odd bad choice here and there. I need to be on a wagon - I'm good for much longer like that. And when you do "fall off" it doesn't mean you stay off - you can get right back on it you know Jane - on the wagon x __________________ If there were in the world today any large number of people who desired their own happiness more than they desired the unhappiness of others, we could have paradise in a few years. Bertrand Russell

01-16-2009, 04:03 AM	#136
flatferenghi Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 4,350 Gallery: flatferenghi	thanks, Tooter... i could not have said it better myself. Love & Profits: FLATFERENGHI (5th day & feeling better all the time)

01-17-2009, 10:57 AM	#137
oobladee Senior LCF Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Far North, Cali Posts: 644 Gallery: oobladee Stats: Top BMI: 37; Currently: 30-31 WOE: Moderate fat & cals/hi protein/low carb Start Date: March 2006	Let's take pride in being responsible for ourselves....goldenrod I very much agree with this. For me the task at hand is to own my choices, good and bad. Indeed, if one can eat clean 100% of the time it's no skin off my nose. For myself - after many years of soul searching & trial/error, that is not the goal. LC taught me how to eat better most of my days without feeling out of control. Food can be an adventure; that trip is what we make of it. It's not about judging others; this is your personalized trip planner. It's not about gorging ourselves with tasty choices. It's not about 100% denial. It's not about guilt. It is about knowing your body and what types of fuel it needs. It is about being with family/friends and sharing nourishing appealing food. It is knowing where your line is. Our exercise plans are much the same. I want for my family time together doing active things. I want to challenge my body and condition it in many ways. The goal is not to bust the clock on a treadmill every day, but to make myself accountable that I did use this body that wants to work/bend/play. Being responible and owning our choices are very important. In this information age, it is hard not to get obsessed with what is good for us and what is bad for us. Man alive, we are freakin neurotic about food anymore. Fact is, we are living longer than ever before. Stats will try to concern us that this next generation will change that; but why make rules for the masses when it is an individual responsibility? m'kay...i am getting off track now! LOL Last edited by oobladee; 01-17-2009 at 11:03 AM..

11-04-2008, 07:58 PM	#121
ravengal Senior LCF Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 65 Gallery: ravengal	This is one of the best threads I've ever read on this board.

11-05-2008, 04:15 AM	#122
binga Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: south Posts: 814 Gallery: binga Stats: 211/171/145 WOE: low carb	Doesn't "fall off the wagon " mean to start drinking again ? And that can cause a food binge too so I guess it both applies

11-05-2008, 08:23 AM	#123
oobladee Senior LCF Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Far North, Cali Posts: 644 Gallery: oobladee Stats: Top BMI: 37; Currently: 30-31 WOE: Moderate fat & cals/hi protein/low carb Start Date: March 2006	Hi Binga, yes, drinking certainly can impair judgment and throw off a food plan calorically and chemically. Alcohol assimilates more like a fat, more readily stored. I had to pop in here to say I choose alcohol over sweets as my discretionary calories. It must be moderated just like food, and I must remember that those are empty calories! Today I will remember to honor my food plan to give my body more valuable calories!

11-05-2008, 09:17 AM	#124
DBrown8614 MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 1,375 Gallery: DBrown8614 Stats: 180/165/119/125 WOE: Dr. Atkins Start Date: November 2003	EXACTLY it is all about choices! Great thread

11-05-2008, 09:52 AM	#125
didi Senior LCF Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Northeast Ohio Posts: 376 Gallery: didi Start Date: October 2007	I've just read this entire thread. It is very thought provoking and makes me feel better about this WOE. I do not have to be perfect, but I strive to be the best LCer I can be. To be healthier. Unfortunately, now I want pie! Dianna

01-15-2009, 11:45 AM	#126
Tooter Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 10,777 Gallery: Tooter Stats: 5' 6" and 128 lbs	bump for anyone who needs to hear this today.

01-15-2009, 04:11 PM	#129
afuentes Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: May 2007 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 3,517 Blog Entries: 20 Gallery: afuentes Stats: 190/150/150 WOE: hCG/low carb Start Date: honest restart - 11/20/08	I am glad that this thread was brought back. Great post. It is our choices. I have that attitude at times and it is what makes me crazy everytime. If I make a bad choice at lunch, I will make dinner a better one.

01-15-2009, 07:10 PM	#131
tybeeanna Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: So of Rockford Il Posts: 752 Gallery: tybeeanna Stats: 280/268/1 lb less WOE: low carb	Tooter You are a true LCF Thanks great post

01-16-2009, 01:49 AM	#132
smudgepot Senior LCF Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: South Africa Posts: 337 Gallery: smudgepot Stats: 130/120/110 WOE: Low Carb/Healthy Choices Start Date: September 2008	Thank you, thank you, thank you. The last couple days have been "bad choice" days and I have been beating myself up about it. I have been really down and feeling like a failure. This post made me realise that all that I have learnt and the road that I have travelled is not in vain! It was a couple days of bad choices, but that doesn't mean that my goals or WOE now should change. Whew!

01-16-2009, 03:52 AM	#135
whatwagon Senior LCF Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 70 Gallery: whatwagon Stats: 183/172/135 WOE: Atkins Start Date: 1/1/09	as you can tell by my siggy, I don't buy into the wagon thing. When I went off plan last year and subsequently regained a ton of weight, the wagon wasn't the issue. For me it was more like being hit by a bus- the odd thing is I was driving

01-17-2009, 11:13 AM	#140
LowCarbinChica Senior LCF Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 975 Gallery: LowCarbinChica Stats: 183/175.7/145	Good thread. For the first time in my life (even after Gastric Bypass surgery), I've been able to keep the weight off and it's precisely due to changing my way of thinking to this. Eating a low-carb, high fiber diet is NORMAL and Healthy, not a "diet". I love this site.

01-17-2009, 11:24 AM	#143
MarblesLongGone MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Hamilton, OH Posts: 2,687 Blog Entries: 2 Gallery: MarblesLongGone Stats: 242.5/231.5/190 6'0" WOE: Atkins / Carb Addicts / Schwarzbein / SB / Paleo / Start Date: Jan 2009 trying to get on wagon for cheap	It's been well over a decade since I had a chocolate cream pie!

01-17-2009, 02:54 PM	#144
luvnit Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Dothan, AL Posts: 231 Blog Entries: 2 Gallery: luvnit WOE: Simeon's Protocol Start Date: Restarted 05/20/09	This came at just the right time. Since I have recommitted myself to being healthy I keep reminding myself its about choices. In the time that I have been successful before as long as I have been true to my mantra it has worked out for me. I'm positive that it will work out for me once again.

01-17-2009, 03:29 PM	#145
wvcatholicmom Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Huntington West Virginia Posts: 143 Blog Entries: 2 Gallery: wvcatholicmom Stats: 304/304/175 WOE: my own plan Start Date: 1/16/2009	Good advice, thanks for sharing that with us.

01-17-2009, 06:01 PM	#146
MarblesLongGone MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Hamilton, OH Posts: 2,687 Blog Entries: 2 Gallery: MarblesLongGone Stats: 242.5/231.5/190 6'0" WOE: Atkins / Carb Addicts / Schwarzbein / SB / Paleo / Start Date: Jan 2009 trying to get on wagon for cheap	Now, no slapstick comedy pie fights...

01-17-2009, 06:47 PM	#147
oobladee Senior LCF Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Far North, Cali Posts: 644 Gallery: oobladee Stats: Top BMI: 37; Currently: 30-31 WOE: Moderate fat & cals/hi protein/low carb Start Date: March 2006	Allie said in post #7: I admit to having an 'all or nothing' attitude during weight loss and I think it helped me. This deserves some observation. I most definitley agree that at first, this also worked for me in changing my exercise and in my eating ways. i would say that the reason it worked was to really learn another way as opposed to blowing around aimlessly. Once you learn it and it has done its thing for you, then it may be okay to adapt and make it your own. Even at that, on the days when I truly could not do what I needed to do, it was important to forgive myself, learn and keep on.

01-17-2009, 06:58 PM	#148
Tommyswife Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,519 Gallery: Tommyswife Stats: 221/180/150 WOE: Atkins Start Date: Re-Committed April 12, 2009	I read this statement in a post yesterday and was puzzled as to why they would refer to it as failing if the wagon when in fact they willingly jumped off the wagon. Falling is one thing but purposely making an informed conscious decision to eat off plan is just that.

01-18-2009, 06:30 PM	#150
oobladee Senior LCF Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Far North, Cali Posts: 644 Gallery: oobladee Stats: Top BMI: 37; Currently: 30-31 WOE: Moderate fat & cals/hi protein/low carb Start Date: March 2006	Tommyswife: I tend to agree with you here. I read where so many folks blame the food - too many carbs! 2 much sugar! Processed! ...and I get that eating those types of things in great amounts don't help many of us want to stay on track. Yes, yes, eating higher fat/protein helps, but apparently it is not the total panacea we want to see. Those "lesser" foods do not CAUSE us to go off plan whether consciously or not - we do. WE are the ones who had crappy planning or _______(insert your best excuse here). Those foods do not leap into our mouths. Unless someone had a gun to your head, you picked it up and tossed it back. Once those foods get past your lips, say all you want about how those bad foods caused you to not be able to stop for days/months/years...whatever...you hit deaf ears with me.

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