Atkins Website-Contradicting information?

[Heather150]

Are they even reading what they put on the site? Does anyone not proofread anymore?

They have the rules of induction, acceptable foods on induction, but yet when you look to see what they list for induction menus? They have Atkins products in place of REAL FOOD.

On their rules of induction they state eat absolutely no bread, fruit,pasta, etc

So I finish that sentence and then it says if you MUST have a piece of bread, it should be 3 net grams or less and is allowed. They contradict themselves in one little paragraph. WTH?

On the first day of their induction menu, they say to have one slice of THEIR Multi-Grain bread. It doesn't say if you must have it. It's listed as part of the daily menu.

They say to have 12-15 net grams of vegetables, and no more than 20, but yet every daily menu is over 20 net carbs and using an ANA product. how can that leave room to get 12-15 net carbs of veggies when they factor in their junk food.

Further down it reads "Eat Absolutely nothing that isn't on the acceptable food list. NOTHING" Funny but on their acceptable food list, they do not list Atkins bars, breads etc. But again, they are listed on their induction menus

How can anyone take them seriously??

No wonder new people who start have no idea what us old-times are talking about. The new Atkins allows for junk food, but yet they still print what Dr Atkins said to do.

I find their site very amusing. The good doc must be just a spinnin in his grave.

I wish they would come out with "The Original" Atkins book, and then their new version, so those who want to include their junk food, and have slower weight loss AND not learn how to eat healthy, can do their thing and we all won't be confused as to what book the newbies are reading.

/end rant

[healthylowcarbin]

I noticed that when I first started. I checked the website for info prior to reading the book and was totally confused

[Divabunny]

I bet if these products were available when the original book was written, they probably would have been allowed then too. I have a shake almost everyday. It's a lifesaver, I'm not big on breakfast but I know I need something. They are perfect for that.

[Sweet-n-Low]

Originally Posted by Heather150

On their rules of induction they state eat absolutely no bread, fruit,pasta, etc

So I finish that sentence and then it says if you MUST have a piece of bread, it should be 3 net grams or less and is allowed. They contradict themselves in one little paragraph. WTH?

I read that too ! Which made me laugh

I think they must be trying to help people who might cheat.... They needed to clarify more..... like if you eat lowcarb bread in induction if defeats the purpose of induction !

Im with ya .....makes no sense .....maybe you could send someone and e-mail and let them know.

[Heather150]

Diva, I have to disagree. Dr Atkins was against processed foods. For example: He said to eat nitrate free bacon due to the carcinogens. Do you know the percentage of people who actually have access to that? Very little.
But yet he wanted the best for "us". To treat ourselves to health.

You're doing your own plan, which is fantastic. But I'm talking about those who want to do ATKINS. Their site is contradicting themselves from one sentence to the next.

[fdbear]

I think that when the doctor died the company switched prioritys from a healthier America to a healthier bank account for them. If you remember there was an overhaul of the product line after his death.

[Divabunny]

Is that something the website changed before or after his death?

[Sweet-n-Low]

BTW - Heather your stats look great !!!

[brandi140lbs]

Originally Posted by fdbear

I think that when the doctor died the company switched prioritys from a healthier America to a healthier bank account for them. If you remember there was an overhaul of the product line after his death.

I agree. I would never read any of the new stuff. It's all a gimmick now. Like all the other diet stuff people try to cash in on.

I know all of you STRESS to "read the book" "read the book" over and over. But, i feel as though, I don't have to. I've never gotten further than induction. I am just keeping it low carb and natural. Find the induction list (the old one) and eat that way for the rest of my life, upping the list to higher carbed fruits and vegtables and whole grains when i'm at my goal weight. Am, I wrong about this? Oh, and always exercise it is a MUST!!!!!!! and drink plenty of water. Ta Da!!! Am I wrong??

The only reason I go back to my book, is the encouraging words in the introduction, about processed foods and how rats wouldn't eat them, how toxic they are, and how this diet is a Gift and a true Blessing to us...

[Heather150]

Originally Posted by Divabunny

Is that something the website changed before or after his death?

When I started in 2003, I used their site to post a journal, kept track of my daily carbs, and weight loss. They had summaries of each phase and what you could and couldn't add in with each phase. The site didnt deviate from the book. There weren't many products out at that time, so there wasn't a whole lot of contradiction going on.

When he died, and ANA took over, it was a terrible day indeed. While they would quote Dr A, they would then say, but if you want you can have............(fill in the blank with using whatever product they came out with).

I understand what convenience is...but ya know what? How much more effort is it to boil some eggs, or chop up some celery in between commercials while watching Tv...and then grab that, instead of opening up a candy bar disguised as a healthy alternative. That is what Dr A advocated-whole foods and using convenience foods as little as possible. We're worth it.

[Divabunny]

I hear ya. If your going to do atkins I think the original way of induction is the way to go to get maximum weight loss. In my case it just wasn't feasible. The one and only thing that bugs me about low carb is the fact that I have to cook everything. I sometimes envy my co-worker on weight watchers because she can go to the grocery store and pick up pre-packaged foods that she can pop in the microwave, I'd love to have that kind of "fast food" option. But then I think about how much I HATE low fat cheese, and it makes me feel better, LOL.

[neverwhere]

Heather,

I agree. I was on Atkins a few years back, before the good Doc's death. When I re-started the plan a few weeks ago, I checked in with the website and have been completely dissapointed with what I've found. Gone are the journals, sucess stories, etc...and it's all one big product commercial.

Don't get me wrong, some of those products can be a lifesaver, and I am not against anyone who uses them wisely. But they are putting too much of an emphasis on selling the ANA brand. Also, I noticed my box of morning start bars has 1 g of sugar (not sugar alcohol) in the nutrition panel. I know it's only 1 gram, but weren't the products always completely sugar free? I can't really remember, but if they are going to be "improving their taste" as they claim with sugar, then the produts are definately not worth it.

By the way, is his wife involved with the company anymore?

I dont find the site amusing at all, I find it upsetting.

[Mimosa23]

I think Atkins or any other type of Low Carb WOL is based on real, natural whole foods, and not the kind of suff like bars, shakes, bread, and whatever kind of junk food replacements ANA come up with. It is unfortunate that this is happening...

If people want to use the products, they should feel free to do so, but I do think that people have been misled and are being misled if they go to the Atkins website now. It does not teach people to eat whole, real foods, and re-educate them about the importance of them. Instead, it just keeps people thinking that eating chemicals is ok... Sad, very sad!

Thankfully a lot of newbies find us here at LCF, and with the wealth of information all the members have, I'm sure that we can show them the way!

[Heather150]

Originally Posted by neverwhere

By the way, is his wife involved with the company anymore?

I believe she sold it to ANA. Anyone know for sure if she's even on the board anymore?

[LoveMyGSDs]

Originally Posted by Heather150

For example: He said to eat nitrate free bacon due to the carcinogens. Do you know the percentage of people who actually have access to that? Very little.
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I'm am one of the VERY happy, few people who do have access to fresh cut, nitrate-free bacon! Gotta LOVE the Amish!

I so totally agree with you Heather. I read over that stuff before re-starting induction and said "huh?" So, I re-read the book instead.

[LisaWV]

Originally Posted by Heather150

Are they even reading what they put on the site? Does anyone not proofread anymore?

They have the rules of induction, acceptable foods on induction, but yet when you look to see what they list for induction menus? They have Atkins products in place of REAL FOOD.

On their rules of induction they state eat absolutely no bread, fruit,pasta, etc

So I finish that sentence and then it says if you MUST have a piece of bread, it should be 3 net grams or less and is allowed. They contradict themselves in one little paragraph. WTH?

On the first day of their induction menu, they say to have one slice of THEIR Multi-Grain bread. It doesn't say if you must have it. It's listed as part of the daily menu.

They say to have 12-15 net grams of vegetables, and no more than 20, but yet every daily menu is over 20 net carbs and using an ANA product. how can that leave room to get 12-15 net carbs of veggies when they factor in their junk food.

Further down it reads "Eat Absolutely nothing that isn't on the acceptable food list. NOTHING" Funny but on their acceptable food list, they do not list Atkins bars, breads etc. But again, they are listed on their induction menus

How can anyone take them seriously??

No wonder new people who start have no idea what us old-times are talking about. The new Atkins allows for junk food, but yet they still print what Dr Atkins said to do.

I find their site very amusing. The good doc must be just a spinnin in his grave.

I wish they would come out with "The Original" Atkins book, and then their new version, so those who want to include their junk food, and have slower weight loss AND not learn how to eat healthy, can do their thing and we all won't be confused as to what book the newbies are reading.

/end rant

It's all about the mighty $$$ anymore. Thank God I bought the book years ago!

[KajunDC]

Atkins dies and it becomes a business focused mostly on their pre-packaged stuff.

Sad. It doesn't take long for a good man's lifes work to be flushed down the toilet.

[nwmud]

I contacted atkins recently about some of the contricditions in the website. Like they promote a bread on day one of induction - but they dont sell it anymore. and those kinds of issues. they say they are trying to get the web site updated. but you all are right....all they want is $$$. its too bad because it is a pretty good woe.

[fawn]

Originally Posted by KajunDC

Atkins dies and it becomes a business focused mostly on their pre-packaged stuff.

Sad. It doesn't take long for a good man's lifes work to be flushed down the toilet.

Isn't that the sad truth. What a knowledgable gentle man he was.

For the nitrate free bacon........find a local butcher. They should be able to help. If you're in a large city maybe a good old fashion deli can help guide you.

[AllieCat0817]

That website has been on a HORRIFIC downward spiral for several years now. It is SICK. I used to STAY on that site in the beginning, till they got greedy. Fortunately we can do the real Atkins without paying them a red cent. It makes me ill how they have botched our WOE!

[AllieCat0817]

Originally Posted by brandi150lbs

Find the induction list (the old one) and eat that way for the rest of my life, upping the list to higher carbed fruits and vegtables and whole grains when i'm at my goal weight. Am, I wrong about this? ...

Yes. You'd want to go through all four phases, and not wait until you get to goal to climb the ladder. It has backfired on many folk doing it that way.

[Pleiades]

I never, ever direct people to the Atkins website. I send them here instead.

[AllieCat0817]

I always refer them to DANDR 2002, and here.

[HappierMe]

I dont see how anyone can do it on what you all are talking about and going through induction peroid. Breads were a NO NO the last time I went on this back in 2001 . (When Doc was alive)
I have looked at the Atkins bars in the store now and was about floored also with the ammt of carbs that are listed in them now compared to back then. I use to buy them as a snack and some had less than 8 carbs now they are way up there like 24-38 grams of carbs! Heck If im gonna eat that kind of carb ammt Im gonna get a candy bar like a Snickers.......

[BellaHMB]

OMG! That is very upsetting and obviously ALL about the $$$$.
And bars as part of induction? The whole point is to get off sugar,
and processed foods. I imagine the Atkins folks dont think of their foods as processed. Haroomph!

Bella

[Jeska]

Originally Posted by AllieCat0817

I always refer them to DANDR 2002, and here.

I agree. This is the book I have too.

[Jeska]

This is happening all over the place... Atkins... and then Kraft and Southbeach...Weight watchers cakes and ice creams... the list goes on and on...

p.s. - I really want to find some nitrate-free bacon...Im going to try to get a recommendation for a good deli.

[mermaid]

I agree about the company going downhill on their ethics. However, I was first on Atkins about 1997, when Robert was very much alive, and they were selling shakes, breads, bars, cheesecakes, and mixes then too, maybe even more of that than now. The only difference was that they marked on each product what stage of the diet it was allowable for, and almost none of it was marked suitable for induction. Some things were only for pre-maintenance and maintenance. Now they just say anything goes.

[lilspud]

I am so happy that I printed alot of his information from the old web site before he died. I think it is so sad that his company has gone the way they have. I miss the old Atkins way too.

[Stellar]

This is why I keep my Atkins '72 book on the shelf. I like it best of all of them, with its focus on whole, fresh, real foods.