In heavy ketosis but no pound loss

ixtapacheryl · 06-03-2006, 01:08 PM

How can a person be in high ketosis and not see it on the scale? I can't figure that out ...... does anyone know and has it happened to any of you?

pooticus · 06-03-2006, 01:09 PM

yep. lol. everyday of my life cheryl.

ixtapacheryl · 06-03-2006, 01:49 PM

How can that happen if the sticks are showing that you are burning fat?

pooticus · 06-03-2006, 01:53 PM

not sure for me. i don't use sticks but i have bo, bad breath, stinky pee, am in obvious ketosis but i have been stalled for months. i've even gained about 6-8lbs with my progesterone i have been taking...

Kimmer · 06-03-2006, 01:59 PM

Cheryl, the sticks also show high dietary fat ... but you don't eat much? I never thought I would say it for you, but where's your Fitday?

beckynett · 06-03-2006, 02:04 PM

Don't know, though it happens. I've tried to think why, and these are some of my ideas, but no firm answers:

Temporarily:
Water retention
Constipation
Too much alcohol/dietary fat/calories replacing what is being burned

Longer term:
Medication interfering?

Would love a clear answer!

ixtapacheryl · 06-03-2006, 02:12 PM

Kimmer - you are sooooo funny. I did go into FitDay but it's too complicated for my senior brain cells. Ok - last night I had 3 small pieces of roast beef - very very lean - no fat (baked plain with pepper on it) and a small plain salad with some onions,parms. cheese and some bacon bits and 3 orange sunkist diet sodas. Oh yes some V/O dressing. I've had this dinner the last 3 nights.

I am so amazed that the sticks also shows high dietary fat. What's that all about? I thought it was suppose to tell a person how much fat their body was burning for fuel....

ixtapacheryl · 06-03-2006, 02:14 PM

I'm not on any pills except supplements - vitamins - hair/nail - magnesium - folic acid -B - C and Omega 3. Maybe it's the Omega 3 - isn't that fish oil?

pooticus · 06-03-2006, 02:18 PM

ok so this doesn't make sense to me...if it takes 2-3 days for a cheat to show on the scale from glycogen stores in the liver refilling...then how is it that the body can register dietary fat being used up for fuel, making ketone bodies then excreting those same ketone bodies (unused portion) in the urine. how come that pathway is so quick and the other so slow?

i don't know that i believe keto sticks registers excess fat in the diet either...but hell i quit my biochem coarses after only 3 years...

southerngrace · 06-03-2006, 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pooticus

ok so this doesn't make sense to me...if it takes 2-3 days for a cheat to show on the scale from glycogen stores in the liver refilling...then how is it that the body can register dietary fat being used up for fuel, making ketone bodies then excreting those same ketone bodies (unused portion) in the urine. how come that pathway is so quick and the other so slow?

i don't know that i believe keto sticks registers excess fat in the diet either...but hell i quit my biochem coarses after only 3 years...

GREAT question pooticus!! Now where is that answer??

Kimmer · 06-03-2006, 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pooticus

ok so this doesn't make sense to me...if it takes 2-3 days for a cheat to show on the scale from glycogen stores in the liver refilling...then how is it that the body can register dietary fat being used up for fuel, making ketone bodies then excreting those same ketone bodies (unused portion) in the urine. how come that pathway is so quick and the other so slow?

i don't know that i believe keto sticks registers excess fat in the diet either...but hell i quit my biochem coarses after only 3 years...

Not living in Cheryl's house, my guess would be her age, weight (not extreme) and that she indulges in rum & diet cola on occasion.

Alcohol is burned before anything else. It's not digested. It's like throwing lighter fluide on a BBQ.

So, if Cheryl had 2 rum & diet cola drinks at home (I'll guess 3 oz per drink), that's 200 calories before anything else, and if that's my ounces are correct.

beckynett · 06-03-2006, 03:00 PM

I'm with you - confusing, and maybe suspect!

Personally, my past cheats showed up immediately, in how I felt and what the sticks showed, and in what I weighed the next day or so. But, I know in my experience the opposite is not always true. I mean, sticks that quit turning purple usually mean no loss, probably a gain, but sticks that stayed purple do not always mean a loss. I am convinced to my own satisfaction that excess dietary fat can turn sticks purple.

The real question to me is, "How can a person be eating in a way that SHOULD bring weight loss, yet not be seeing the expected loss?"

In theory, the math of weight loss is a simple linear equation: calories in - calories expended, at - 3500 calories per lb. lost.

Going low-carb adds another dimension, the 'metabolic advantage' of a few hundred calories a day to fuel the conversion process of burning body fat vs. blood glucose for fuel.

But, in real life, it is not that simple and linear. First, calorie and carb counts in books and data bases are lab averages, and perhaps not always accurate to how a specific food item really delivers. Plus, those values are taken in a lab situation, not in the human body.

Then, metabolic rates are not static, either, varying widely from person to person, and fluctuating even in individuals from day to day and even hour to hour. Nutrients, activities, temperature, emotional states - all these and more have an effect on rate and efficiency of 'burn'.

Then, there is normal digestion and elimination, which also varies from person to person and from time to time within individuals - not to mention the complications of medical problems, food allergies, etc.

Also, the systems of the human body are intricately interconnected and communicating hormonally moment by moment to maintain a complex balance ---throw something off kilter here, and something else compensates there.

Finally, there is simply the very great possibility that science simply does not yet have all the answers to the complex inner workings of these processes. Heck, they can't even agree on the low-carb thing!

So, I don't think anyone can say with authority "If you eat like this for this long, this exact thing will always happen at a constant rate." We can predict probabilities, and we can be more and more accurate if we extrapolate that over larger populations and longer periods of time, but we cannot say with certainty "If Person A eats X carbs, XXX calories, etc., she will lose Y lbs a week for every week she sticks to it." We can only say "Most people who do THIS, get THAT result. If you do not, let's find out why not. It is most likely that you are not actually doing THIS, so that is where to look first. It is, however, also possible that other variables are in play."

That is how knowledge grows.
Just my opinion.

Kimmer · 06-03-2006, 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pooticus

ok so this doesn't make sense to me...if it takes 2-3 days for a cheat to show on the scale from glycogen stores in the liver refilling...then how is it that the body can register dietary fat being used up for fuel, making ketone bodies then excreting those same ketone bodies (unused portion) in the urine. how come that pathway is so quick and the other so slow?

i don't know that i believe keto sticks registers excess fat in the diet either...but hell i quit my biochem coarses after only 3 years...

I don't know either, except that there's a heck of a lot of people swearing purple sticks, weighing 300 lbs and not losing.

Or, we can check the post on this site (front page) explaining about the Atkins follower swearing low carb, dark sticks and no loss due to eating a stick of butter with cinnamon after dinner.

Yet again ... I'm not a scientist.

pooticus · 06-03-2006, 03:14 PM

yeah kimmer i don't know. i just don't know that's it's a simple as an a--->---b equation. i've never doubted that calories in affect weight loss. certainly the poster eating a stick of butter is going to far exceed (in most cases) the required calories to maintain their weight.

i just don't know enough about the metabollic pathway of fat metabolism to speak on this. but the ketone sticks registering the dietary fat intake just seems to simple and direct a pathway. although i can say that diabetics eating too high carb and not taking in enough insulin will show sugar spilling into the urine very quickly after eating that high carb food...i just know that the breakdown of a molecule of fat has a much more complex biochem journey than the breakdown of a molecule of carbohydrate into its constituents...

Kimmer · 06-03-2006, 04:47 PM

Pooticus, where we disagree is in A + B. My term of 'real' ketosis far exceeds anything allowed by 3500 calorie deficit = 1 pound, regarding very low carbs.

I don't have an answer or anything close. I know it's true. I don't know why.

ixtapacheryl · 06-03-2006, 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kimmer

Not living in Cheryl's house, my guess would be her age, weight (not extreme) and that she indulges in rum & diet cola on occasion.

Alcohol is burned before anything else. It's not digested. It's like throwing lighter fluide on a BBQ.

So, if Cheryl had 2 rum & diet cola drinks at home (I'll guess 3 oz per drink), that's 200 calories before anything else, and if that's my ounces are correct.

OMG Kimmer

My age - 61, weight 151, and maybe 2 rum/diet cokes per month - I'm beginning to feel like a criminal

Now I feel really crummy and that shouldn't happen after a facelift (adding on to the depression I am already going through which is typical after cosmetic surgery)....

You are all correct - this is a mystery and I guess I'll just have to wait and see when and if the scale moves again.

Kimmer · 06-03-2006, 04:53 PM

Cheryl, NO NO NO! Now I feel like a criminal. I've got to stop commenting on posts.

If you're eating what you say (OK, I just insulted you again), and the quantities and weights are true (whoops, one more insult), then I have no idea.

You weigh 151, you're 61, figure 1100'ish calories to maintain. I know from your posts that you're low, low carb.

I'm going to hide in a cave.

JuliaL · 06-03-2006, 04:56 PM

I'm going to jump in here with another opinion. Maybe you're not eating enough. There have been a lot of studies that show the metabolic disadvantage of not eating enough. Especially as you age your metabolism slows down. If you don't eat enough it will slow down even further and conserve every bit of fat.

You also just had surgery, so maybe your body is still in "shock" from that.

ixtapacheryl · 06-03-2006, 05:00 PM

I'll take a picture of my dinner tomorrow night

That might help!

Hey that's not a bad idea in the future -

Sure beats trying to figure out that Fitday.com site. All I know is I generally eat the same thing every day except I did splurge on my birthday on 5/22 with 3 brussel sprouts.

I knew what you meant - so don't feel bad .... I was just kidding you. You are so honest and take so much flak sometimes that I do feel sorry for you. You are so helpful to all of us and certainly don't want you to stop responding to posts.. We'd all flounder without you here.

BTW - I'm not feeling depressed anymore - I'm a Gemini and they are never in the same mood two days in a row.

:

JuliaL · 06-03-2006, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ixtapacheryl

All I know is I generally eat the same thing every day except I did splurge on my birthday on 5/22 with 3 brussel sprouts.

Your birthday splurge was 3 brussel sprouts?!?

Peskie · 06-03-2006, 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JuliaL

Your birthday splurge was 3 brussel sprouts?!?

Talk about living on the edge, huh?!

Kimmer · 06-03-2006, 05:05 PM

Cheryl, I'm trying to stay depressed over my dentist ordeal. Quit cheering me up!

You're either "stopped up" or eating other carbs. Want to prove me wrong (please say 'no' I'm depressed) ... do KE with chicken breasts for 5 days.

ixtapacheryl · 06-03-2006, 05:11 PM

No I did have a plain chicken breast and brussel sprouts (no cake).
Julia - I'm think that maybe you might be right because I HATE breakfast and for lunch I'll open the refrigerator and maybe have a piece of meat (lean). I generally eat one meal a day.
Kimmer - OK your on. Now what will I have for the next five days (chicken and what else?). I will start on Monday (cause I have to finish my roast - one meal left). Tell me what else I can have and you've got yourself a deal. I PROMISE !

ixtapacheryl · 06-03-2006, 05:12 PM

Kimmer: What's wrong with the dentist? Do you have to get a root canal ----- eeeek! Come to my home and I'll have you go to my dentist - NO PAIN WHATSOEVER!

ixtapacheryl · 06-03-2006, 06:03 PM

Kimmer - where are you? We have a "bet" going on for next week and I NEED your guidance. What else can I have besides chicken? Don't tell me that is the only thing for five days....

Kimmer · 06-03-2006, 06:22 PM

Cheryl, you don't use Fitday? How do you know how many calories/carbs you're eating?

You'd have to read the "Ask Kimmer" thread about the dentist. Nightmare. No worry, I'll find somebody.

MistyLoo · 06-03-2006, 06:37 PM

Cheryl Hun, we older..er...mature ladies just don't lose as quickly as those young whippersnappers.

I battle it every day.

I agree with Julia, I lose better when I eat. And as for me, fatty meats like 80% lean hamburger and sauages work. I mean like a 5 oz hb patty with a slice of cheese, lettuce, a couple of slices of tomatoes, a bit of onion, and a couple of black olives (my dinner tonight). Lunch was about a 3 inch piece of leftover Polish Wedding Sausage. I don't eat breakfast, never have, never will- Just black coffee. That's a lot of food but I stop losing when I drop my calories any lower.

Have you considered that you just had surgery? You are probably retaining some water and your metabolism is probably out of whack.

Hang in there Sweetie, it'll get better, I promise.

ixtapacheryl · 06-04-2006, 10:25 AM

MistyLoo - I agree that age really has something to do with my weight loss. When I was in my 20's I went on this WOE on a Friday and by Monday I lost 13#. I couldn't believe it. Now it takes a month to lose that much.

To make everyone happy in my family this morning I did have one hard boiled egg and one breakfast sausage and of course coffee. Talk about forcing myself to eat - it was strange and I had to choke it down. I just like coffee in the morning.

Have a great summer and your stats look great.

Strawberry · 06-04-2006, 09:46 PM

Is it possible that you are losing fat, but retaining some water for some reason? And that if you just hang in there, you will get a "whoosh" in a few days?
I remember one post a while back where someone showed that they actually gained weight before each "whoosh" down far below where they were before.

vonnygirl · 06-04-2006, 10:30 PM

Cheryl,
I'm 37, and my weight loss thus far has been so strange! induction-7lbs, then gained a pound day 16, stayed there until day 18 then lose 2-3 lbs, one week I gained 2 lbs then one day after that I lost the two pounds and another three! I don't lose consistantly at all, it makes weighing myself sooo scary because I never know what its going to be!
You are doing great tho!!

06-03-2006, 01:08 PM	#1
ixtapacheryl Blabbermouth!!! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 5,981 Gallery: ixtapacheryl Stats: 177/175/130 - 5'7.5" WOE: '72 Atkins Start Date: 1/1/2010	In heavy ketosis but no pound loss How can a person be in high ketosis and not see it on the scale? I can't figure that out ...... does anyone know and has it happened to any of you?

06-03-2006, 02:12 PM	#7
ixtapacheryl Blabbermouth!!! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 5,981 Gallery: ixtapacheryl Stats: 177/175/130 - 5'7.5" WOE: '72 Atkins Start Date: 1/1/2010	Kimmer - you are sooooo funny. I did go into FitDay but it's too complicated for my senior brain cells. Ok - last night I had 3 small pieces of roast beef - very very lean - no fat (baked plain with pepper on it) and a small plain salad with some onions,parms. cheese and some bacon bits and 3 orange sunkist diet sodas. Oh yes some V/O dressing. I've had this dinner the last 3 nights. I am so amazed that the sticks also shows high dietary fat. What's that all about? I thought it was suppose to tell a person how much fat their body was burning for fuel.... __________________ "You will never find out what you can do until you do all you can to find out!" - John Maxwell

06-03-2006, 03:00 PM	#12
beckynett Senior LCF Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: North of Dallas, Texas Posts: 771 Gallery: beckynett Stats: 222/138/118 (5' 1'') WOE: Atkins Start Date: April 28, 2006	I'm with you - confusing, and maybe suspect! Personally, my past cheats showed up immediately, in how I felt and what the sticks showed, and in what I weighed the next day or so. But, I know in my experience the opposite is not always true. I mean, sticks that quit turning purple usually mean no loss, probably a gain, but sticks that stayed purple do not always mean a loss. I am convinced to my own satisfaction that excess dietary fat can turn sticks purple. The real question to me is, "How can a person be eating in a way that SHOULD bring weight loss, yet not be seeing the expected loss?" In theory, the math of weight loss is a simple linear equation: calories in - calories expended, at - 3500 calories per lb. lost. Going low-carb adds another dimension, the 'metabolic advantage' of a few hundred calories a day to fuel the conversion process of burning body fat vs. blood glucose for fuel. But, in real life, it is not that simple and linear. First, calorie and carb counts in books and data bases are lab averages, and perhaps not always accurate to how a specific food item really delivers. Plus, those values are taken in a lab situation, not in the human body. Then, metabolic rates are not static, either, varying widely from person to person, and fluctuating even in individuals from day to day and even hour to hour. Nutrients, activities, temperature, emotional states - all these and more have an effect on rate and efficiency of 'burn'. Then, there is normal digestion and elimination, which also varies from person to person and from time to time within individuals - not to mention the complications of medical problems, food allergies, etc. Also, the systems of the human body are intricately interconnected and communicating hormonally moment by moment to maintain a complex balance ---throw something off kilter here, and something else compensates there. Finally, there is simply the very great possibility that science simply does not yet have all the answers to the complex inner workings of these processes. Heck, they can't even agree on the low-carb thing! So, I don't think anyone can say with authority "If you eat like this for this long, this exact thing will always happen at a constant rate." We can predict probabilities, and we can be more and more accurate if we extrapolate that over larger populations and longer periods of time, but we cannot say with certainty "If Person A eats X carbs, XXX calories, etc., she will lose Y lbs a week for every week she sticks to it." We can only say "Most people who do THIS, get THAT result. If you do not, let's find out why not. It is most likely that you are not actually doing THIS, so that is where to look first. It is, however, also possible that other variables are in play." That is how knowledge grows. Just my opinion. Last edited by beckynett; 06-03-2006 at 03:12 PM..

06-03-2006, 03:14 PM	#14
pooticus Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: May 2004 Location: somewhere over the rainbow Posts: 16,016 Gallery: pooticus Stats: 314/277.4/150 WOE: PersonalPlan Start Date: Nov.20, 2007	yeah kimmer i don't know. i just don't know that's it's a simple as an a--->---b equation. i've never doubted that calories in affect weight loss. certainly the poster eating a stick of butter is going to far exceed (in most cases) the required calories to maintain their weight. i just don't know enough about the metabollic pathway of fat metabolism to speak on this. but the ketone sticks registering the dietary fat intake just seems to simple and direct a pathway. although i can say that diabetics eating too high carb and not taking in enough insulin will show sugar spilling into the urine very quickly after eating that high carb food...i just know that the breakdown of a molecule of fat has a much more complex biochem journey than the breakdown of a molecule of carbohydrate into its constituents... __________________ 10.20.07 314/314/150; 11.26.07 Surgery - Total Hysterectomy 12.31.08 314/284.2/150 06.01.09 314/277.4/150 Join me on my journey at Weighty Matters and Straight Talk. You can also read about what goes in mah belleh each day at Today I Ate A(n). Also for carnivore fun come join us!!! http://magicbus.myfreeforum.org/index.php See ya there!

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06-03-2006, 01:09 PM	#2
pooticus Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: May 2004 Location: somewhere over the rainbow Posts: 16,016 Gallery: pooticus Stats: 314/277.4/150 WOE: PersonalPlan Start Date: Nov.20, 2007	yep. lol. everyday of my life cheryl.

06-03-2006, 01:49 PM	#3
ixtapacheryl Blabbermouth!!! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 5,981 Gallery: ixtapacheryl Stats: 177/175/130 - 5'7.5" WOE: '72 Atkins Start Date: 1/1/2010	How can that happen if the sticks are showing that you are burning fat?

06-03-2006, 01:53 PM	#4
pooticus Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: May 2004 Location: somewhere over the rainbow Posts: 16,016 Gallery: pooticus Stats: 314/277.4/150 WOE: PersonalPlan Start Date: Nov.20, 2007	not sure for me. i don't use sticks but i have bo, bad breath, stinky pee, am in obvious ketosis but i have been stalled for months. i've even gained about 6-8lbs with my progesterone i have been taking...

06-03-2006, 01:59 PM	#5
Kimmer Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: California Posts: 19,133 Gallery: Kimmer Stats: 318/118/125 WOE: Kimkins	Cheryl, the sticks also show high dietary fat ... but you don't eat much? I never thought I would say it for you, but where's your Fitday?

06-03-2006, 02:04 PM	#6
beckynett Senior LCF Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: North of Dallas, Texas Posts: 771 Gallery: beckynett Stats: 222/138/118 (5' 1'') WOE: Atkins Start Date: April 28, 2006	Don't know, though it happens. I've tried to think why, and these are some of my ideas, but no firm answers: Temporarily: Water retention Constipation Too much alcohol/dietary fat/calories replacing what is being burned Longer term: Medication interfering? Would love a clear answer!

06-03-2006, 02:14 PM	#8
ixtapacheryl Blabbermouth!!! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 5,981 Gallery: ixtapacheryl Stats: 177/175/130 - 5'7.5" WOE: '72 Atkins Start Date: 1/1/2010	I'm not on any pills except supplements - vitamins - hair/nail - magnesium - folic acid -B - C and Omega 3. Maybe it's the Omega 3 - isn't that fish oil?

06-03-2006, 02:18 PM	#9
pooticus Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: May 2004 Location: somewhere over the rainbow Posts: 16,016 Gallery: pooticus Stats: 314/277.4/150 WOE: PersonalPlan Start Date: Nov.20, 2007	ok so this doesn't make sense to me...if it takes 2-3 days for a cheat to show on the scale from glycogen stores in the liver refilling...then how is it that the body can register dietary fat being used up for fuel, making ketone bodies then excreting those same ketone bodies (unused portion) in the urine. how come that pathway is so quick and the other so slow? i don't know that i believe keto sticks registers excess fat in the diet either...but hell i quit my biochem coarses after only 3 years...

06-03-2006, 04:47 PM	#15
Kimmer Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: California Posts: 19,133 Gallery: Kimmer Stats: 318/118/125 WOE: Kimkins	Pooticus, where we disagree is in A + B. My term of 'real' ketosis far exceeds anything allowed by 3500 calorie deficit = 1 pound, regarding very low carbs. I don't have an answer or anything close. I know it's true. I don't know why.

06-03-2006, 04:53 PM	#17
Kimmer Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: California Posts: 19,133 Gallery: Kimmer Stats: 318/118/125 WOE: Kimkins	Cheryl, NO NO NO! Now I feel like a criminal. I've got to stop commenting on posts. If you're eating what you say (OK, I just insulted you again), and the quantities and weights are true (whoops, one more insult), then I have no idea. You weigh 151, you're 61, figure 1100'ish calories to maintain. I know from your posts that you're low, low carb. I'm going to hide in a cave.

06-03-2006, 04:56 PM	#18
JuliaL Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: May 2003 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 18,015 Gallery: JuliaL Stats: 190/143/140 16/6/6, height 5'8", age 49 WOE: Atkins/BFFM Start Date: 4/22/03	I'm going to jump in here with another opinion. Maybe you're not eating enough. There have been a lot of studies that show the metabolic disadvantage of not eating enough. Especially as you age your metabolism slows down. If you don't eat enough it will slow down even further and conserve every bit of fat. You also just had surgery, so maybe your body is still in "shock" from that.

06-03-2006, 05:00 PM	#19
ixtapacheryl Blabbermouth!!! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 5,981 Gallery: ixtapacheryl Stats: 177/175/130 - 5'7.5" WOE: '72 Atkins Start Date: 1/1/2010	I'll take a picture of my dinner tomorrow night That might help! Hey that's not a bad idea in the future - Sure beats trying to figure out that Fitday.com site. All I know is I generally eat the same thing every day except I did splurge on my birthday on 5/22 with 3 brussel sprouts. I knew what you meant - so don't feel bad .... I was just kidding you. You are so honest and take so much flak sometimes that I do feel sorry for you. You are so helpful to all of us and certainly don't want you to stop responding to posts.. We'd all flounder without you here. BTW - I'm not feeling depressed anymore - I'm a Gemini and they are never in the same mood two days in a row. :

06-03-2006, 05:05 PM	#22
Kimmer Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: California Posts: 19,133 Gallery: Kimmer Stats: 318/118/125 WOE: Kimkins	Cheryl, I'm trying to stay depressed over my dentist ordeal. Quit cheering me up! You're either "stopped up" or eating other carbs. Want to prove me wrong (please say 'no' I'm depressed) ... do KE with chicken breasts for 5 days.

06-03-2006, 05:11 PM	#23
ixtapacheryl Blabbermouth!!! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 5,981 Gallery: ixtapacheryl Stats: 177/175/130 - 5'7.5" WOE: '72 Atkins Start Date: 1/1/2010	No I did have a plain chicken breast and brussel sprouts (no cake). Julia - I'm think that maybe you might be right because I HATE breakfast and for lunch I'll open the refrigerator and maybe have a piece of meat (lean). I generally eat one meal a day. Kimmer - OK your on. Now what will I have for the next five days (chicken and what else?). I will start on Monday (cause I have to finish my roast - one meal left). Tell me what else I can have and you've got yourself a deal. I PROMISE !

06-03-2006, 05:12 PM	#24
ixtapacheryl Blabbermouth!!! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 5,981 Gallery: ixtapacheryl Stats: 177/175/130 - 5'7.5" WOE: '72 Atkins Start Date: 1/1/2010	Kimmer: What's wrong with the dentist? Do you have to get a root canal ----- eeeek! Come to my home and I'll have you go to my dentist - NO PAIN WHATSOEVER!

06-03-2006, 06:03 PM	#25
ixtapacheryl Blabbermouth!!! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 5,981 Gallery: ixtapacheryl Stats: 177/175/130 - 5'7.5" WOE: '72 Atkins Start Date: 1/1/2010	Kimmer - where are you? We have a "bet" going on for next week and I NEED your guidance. What else can I have besides chicken? Don't tell me that is the only thing for five days....

06-03-2006, 06:22 PM	#26
Kimmer Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: California Posts: 19,133 Gallery: Kimmer Stats: 318/118/125 WOE: Kimkins	Cheryl, you don't use Fitday? How do you know how many calories/carbs you're eating? You'd have to read the "Ask Kimmer" thread about the dentist. Nightmare. No worry, I'll find somebody.

06-03-2006, 06:37 PM	#27
MistyLoo Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: South Central Texas Posts: 3,959 Gallery: MistyLoo Stats: 149.5/119/120 WOE: Atkins Start Date: Aug. 2002	Cheryl Hun, we older..er...mature ladies just don't lose as quickly as those young whippersnappers. I battle it every day. I agree with Julia, I lose better when I eat. And as for me, fatty meats like 80% lean hamburger and sauages work. I mean like a 5 oz hb patty with a slice of cheese, lettuce, a couple of slices of tomatoes, a bit of onion, and a couple of black olives (my dinner tonight). Lunch was about a 3 inch piece of leftover Polish Wedding Sausage. I don't eat breakfast, never have, never will- Just black coffee. That's a lot of food but I stop losing when I drop my calories any lower. Have you considered that you just had surgery? You are probably retaining some water and your metabolism is probably out of whack. Hang in there Sweetie, it'll get better, I promise.

06-04-2006, 10:25 AM	#28
ixtapacheryl Blabbermouth!!! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 5,981 Gallery: ixtapacheryl Stats: 177/175/130 - 5'7.5" WOE: '72 Atkins Start Date: 1/1/2010	MistyLoo - I agree that age really has something to do with my weight loss. When I was in my 20's I went on this WOE on a Friday and by Monday I lost 13#. I couldn't believe it. Now it takes a month to lose that much. To make everyone happy in my family this morning I did have one hard boiled egg and one breakfast sausage and of course coffee. Talk about forcing myself to eat - it was strange and I had to choke it down. I just like coffee in the morning. Have a great summer and your stats look great.

06-04-2006, 09:46 PM	#29
Strawberry MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,140 Gallery: Strawberry	Is it possible that you are losing fat, but retaining some water for some reason? And that if you just hang in there, you will get a "whoosh" in a few days? I remember one post a while back where someone showed that they actually gained weight before each "whoosh" down far below where they were before.

06-04-2006, 10:30 PM	#30
vonnygirl Senior LCF Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Corbett, Or Posts: 303 Gallery: vonnygirl Stats: 237.5/181.5/165 WOE: OWL Start Date: 6/06 with a couple of pauses......	Cheryl, I'm 37, and my weight loss thus far has been so strange! induction-7lbs, then gained a pound day 16, stayed there until day 18 then lose 2-3 lbs, one week I gained 2 lbs then one day after that I lost the two pounds and another three! I don't lose consistantly at all, it makes weighing myself sooo scary because I never know what its going to be! You are doing great tho!!