Need a motivating buddy to lose 50 pounds with by April 2007

[carbjunkie]

I hear ya on the uneventful menu Jina..can you believe I'm having one of those not hungry days?..go figure. Well, I did have this cup of very high quality green tea that suppresses my appetite..it's so overpriced but R bought it..you know how it is when you let hubby/wifey make the decision

You know...I cut out the red meat in my diet 2 yrs ago..I have red meat about once every 6 weeks or so?..pork too..not much. A small piece of steak usually. I don't like to eat hamburgers..way too much fat. Give up for a bit and see if it helps..didn't seem to help me much but at least it makes me feel better.

I have low triglycerides but high cholesterol (200 i think) which I can't understand why..my chol has always been around 170 until I started low carbing..go figure!

Anyway, I hope you have a great afternoon. You too Ash!

T

[cardenas5usa]

I hate it when I don't get a chance to post early, I just miss too much and hate leaving ya wondering.

Another step closer to getting done at friends house this morning, E actually said he may go over after work tonight to finish by himself, I am more than ready to let him.

Got Curves done (I am shooting for everyday this week) this morning and then, we just got back from walking to the library. Luke and Lex walked so it was fairly slow but enough to burn 260 cals roundtrip. Cardio tonight, last night I pumped it up with Kathy Smith and then some jogging inside and crunches.

T, I am so sorry that your back is still on the fritz, but at least you are spending some good down time watching/catching up on shows. Can you believe I have never seen TRHWofOC?!?! Wanted to, but I just can't seem to find time for TV anymore, how sick is that!! I miss my boob tube time!! Even my favorites like Amazing Race and Lost I am behind on, and I quit recording American Idol and The Real World cause I just lost track. Even all the movies that we rent, I finally finished The Holiday (was that what it was called, with Cam Diaz) but it took me like 3 days. Everybody was interupting me all the time. That was the first entire movie that I have sat to watch in months!

The red meat thing, I love red meat but have kind of forgone it just cause I love chicken breast, and fish, and turkey so much that I don't miss it. When it sounds good, like in a big juicy burger, thats when I eat it mostly, or at E's request.

What will I do when I finally reach my goal??? I have no F'ing idea, I thought I knew, add good whole carbs in slowly, but that on an even smaller scale backfired on me this week. A dumb thing to try on a week when I am reataining water anyway. I guess my ultimate dream would be to just go about eating anything in moderation, but it seems hard for me to do that when I am not dieting. That leads into my next thing. My 160 goal was/is great, but now that I am so close I can feel me sliding just casue it is, so I am going to revamp my goals to 140, something to really work for. Today at Curves there was a lady there that I have been "looking at" for weeks now, her body seems perfect to me, she is thin but still has curves. So I got up the nerve to ask her if she didn't mind terribly how much she weighed, I was betting 140....on the dot! So that is my goal, if I can look anything like her at 140 (she is the same height) I will be the happiest camper! So my areas that I really need to work on now, are my darn flabby arms, my stretched out belly, and my legs, they are still quite thick. I want legs that have a space in between them when I walk, have never had that, at least that I can recollect,lol. The last time I weighed 145 was in middle school, I remember that cause of all that dumb fitness testing they used to do, making you get weighed in front of the class, I of course was the heaviest. What a great way to set a girl up for weight issues for the rest of her life, put her on a scale in front of an entire class of snotty peers!

Eats have be good today:
Break fast: egg and cheese omelette, chicken sausage
Lunch: 5 slices ham, some cheese, and zucchini lasagna, Pepsi Jazz (Have you tried it yet Jina?? The strawberry-cream is really good, I thought of you and the Dr. Pepper that we love so much)
Dinner: I am thinking fish and asparagus with capers, again

T, sometimes I eat so much chicken, E tells me I'll grow feathers outta my A**!! LOL. Bagak!! Love it!!

Vacations, it is funny that we all have a trip for April, but then again, it was probably a large motivating factor that led us all here to lose the pounds. It will be weird to have one of us absent from the conversation for days at a time.

Alrighty girls, I have a mountain of cloths to fold, yuck, but at least I can pop in a movie and watch, the yoodle noodles are watching a movie and resting after that long walk. Catch ya later tonight, Ash

[carbjunkie]

Wow Ash..140? hot momma! I have no doubt you'll see it by summer. I just don't know what condition my body will be in after losing 100 lbs. You are still really young and havent gained too much weight so you should look great!

I just wanted to report eats for the day..

B - coffee w/cream 1 hb egg 1 toast 1/2 gfruit
L - sm poached salmon 1/2 gfruit
D - lg taco salad w/avocado n lowfat cheese 1 diet root beer
S - strawberries n blueberries (while watching idol)

Hope your day went well Jina..talk to you girls in the morning.

Love, T.

[Stelakate]

Late check in for me. BIG HUGE things looming in my life right now. A private decision I have toyed with for over a year, and finally realized today I am ready to pursue. I know you'll both have strong opinions on this so let me just say up front, please don't try to deter me from this. It's something I have taken a vested interest in for over 2 years and have done the research and after careful consideration.....

I am starting the preliminary to Gastric Bypass. I KNOW, you both may think this is so drastic, and 240, w/ a basicly healthy body otherwise does not a good candidate make. Well, contrary to all the opinions and negativity...I with Kate and my Dr. have decided it's right for me.

Let me break it down for you, not because I am justifying it-or feel I need to but because I want you two, my dear friends to understand where I am coming from.
I weighed in today. I had that burger today and did ok w/ the rest of the day. Small amnt dry cereal later. WELL - I was near 250 again. HOW? WHAT? NO WAY? Could no cardio for 2 days really do that? Could very little carbs sneak up days later after seemingly disappearing? Well, yes.
Anyway, I talked to the BSN Nurse manager that runs the Bariatric clinic. They know me because of Kate, and are always really nice, how's Stela...that kind of thing. She broke it down for me, what I would need to qualify, etc. According to my BMI which is like 38+ I am to weigh under 150 pounds.
That is never going to happen, and I'll tell ya why. I started my first diet at age 12. I recall it because it was a 'lose 10 pounds in 3 days' diet that I read from a magazine. My Mom protested, but gave in at my insistance...yes, even at 12 I was a headstrong broad. I lost the 10 pounds. I started getting stretch marks in 9th grade, arms/legs/thighs..boobs....always made fun of for being BIGGER when I literally remember weighing at a friends house 135 pounds at nearly 5'9".
Over the last 18 years I have dieted at least every 2 weeks of the month. Do you know, when I met Kate I was 250...that very day (WHO NEEDS TO REMEMBER THAT???????????) and I am that NOW, after 7 years of CONSISTANT DIETING AND EXERCISE. I mean it, it makes me feel like a crazy person.
I don't have deep-seeded issues I cover w/ food, I just have ZERO self-control.
Let's face it, I will NEVER weigh under 200 w/o intervention...there is NO way.
I don't have anything set in stone and other than Kate, who wholeheartedly supports my decision (if you two think I am a crazy food junkie-try living w/me!), Rebecca is the only other one to know. Just because I was talking about it to that nurse Theresa today for so long at work.
If it's meant to be done, and all goes according to plan, I will have my surgery hopefully by late summer.
I know the surgeon, we researched the best in the mid-west for Kate one year ago (almost to date-3-27) and he is there for me as well.
It's serious. I don't want backlash so I am keeping it ZIPPED from ALL others, til the surgery date is scheduled.
Enough is enough. I deserve to be thinner and healthier...if I could just eat less, I could do it w/ moderation and exercise. Some say, and I have said it myself before going through it w/ Kate and many of my patients...it's the "EASY" way out, perhaps it is....but once you have lived w/ this, as I know you both have, you understand how hard the day to day is...and how very depressing it is living fat.
Besides, it's not a cure all, just a really strong push in the right direction. It's a laproscopic surgery, 3 small incisions, you wont even see....I have a healthy belly....age and good health (for the most part) in my favor.
Piece of cake. SOOO the wrong thing to say.
Well, that's where I am at. If I didn't trust you two to realllllllllllly understand me, I wouldn't tell you. I never considered myself a quitter, and I pray I get that notion out of my head where this surgery is concerned...but DAMMIT, I am just over the yo-yo.
SO, I will keep you both posted.
I love you both, and trust you both....and I wouldn't feel so secure in myself without you two, over the last 4 mo. you have been real friends...a real sounding board for my woes/successes/day to day.
Thanks for that.
Until I know more, it's just BAS in here..(business as usual!).
Glad you both ate well, got in so many curves sessions Ash, and have found new inspiration.
I talked to my Aunt Cathy today, there is no laptop, total bummer. I will definitely be calling you both and checking in daily. For sure.
Tomorrow is my long day at work. 9-6 (how pathetic, that's considered LONG) so I will check in frequently. Ash, don't feel bad you can't always keep up w/ me and T. I am often amazed at what you fit into a day, girlie girl.
HUGSSSSSS.

[Stelakate]

How's that for a looooooooong post, eh? I get the gold star for marathon email.
I am still working on low-carb, smarter eating and exercise. Nothing is even set up yet, or a done deal. I still have like $3000 out of pocket to consider, among other things...like timing, etc. SO, I am not in any way-giving up or throwing in the towel. Period. I wouldn't do that.

PSS- Idol sucked. How dare they even vote my super cutie into the bottom 2??? I can't take it. ALSO-who the hell are those Brit's anyway? They SUCK.

[cardenas5usa]

So Jina, a quick note before dinner is on the table. I so support your decision 1000%, and want to know all about it. I totally understand you and get where you are coming from. Who wants to live on a diet, who wants to have food as your worst foe. I have often wondered if it was an option for me, even to this day, especially with how the last week went. I don't know if I will have the control it will take to be "out" in the real world as a non-dieter, and by no means do I want to always have to exercise this much and eat this way just to maintain. I have always been detered by the cost of it all, never looked into that part much but just assumed it was hella expensive. So by all means, keep me posted, I want to know it all girl. And, some people may say it is an easy way out, but the research that I have done on it suggest not so, and you know first hand from Kate that it isn't just a walk in the park, I know you are not a quitter, and in the end, the goal is to become a healthier, happier you, who cares how you get there, as long as it is safe! Ash

[cardenas5usa]

Hey girls, looks like I am first today.

Well just finished up a small piece of mushroom and cheese quiche, took off the crust. I so wanted to eat it since it was beautiful croissant type crust, but I had and bit threw the rest away.

This morning E and I are going to go to an auction and see what there is to buy, that bumps curves until later.

Lunch: might be out since we will be at the auction
Dinner: maybe meatloaf patties with veggies.

T, how's the back today?
Jina, what's the schedule today, I forgot already, long or short?

Check back later this afternoon, Ash

[carbjunkie]

I also understand more than anyone. When I read your posts..especially this one..I relate more than you know. I am with you 100% in your decision. I told R that if I can't do this on my own this one last time..that may be my last option..and a very scary one for me cuz I never wanted to even consider it.

Well girls my back is still bothering me (thanks for asking Ash) so no exercise again today. It does feel a tiny bit better than yesterday so I guess down time is good for me. What is the hysterical thing is TOM is coming today and I weighed to see if I'd gone up but nope..down another 2 lbs!..what? All my hard work and the scale doesn't move and when I stop exercising it does? huh?

B - what else? hb egg 1 toast 3 strawberries
L - out w/R

T

[Stelakate]

It really is. I was nervous to check in, though I should know better when it comes to you two. I have just built this defense about my weight and issues over these years and I am so defensive about anyone questioning my motives/plans/etc.
The reason I told you both, and only the two of you, thus far, is just for that very reason. I cried big ol croc tears reading those posts. Being a control freak, a natural motivator a never-give-upper..I just cringe thinking I can't win this battle alone. BUT. Enough is enough. It's really about caring enough about me to do it. I put myself last EVERYTIME and I have finally put a stop to it.
Thanks for being there for me. I love you guys. I know you relate and I feel your fears, both of you. Ash, I have repeated to myself what you posted...what to do once time to maintain? Exercise forever and ever just to stay the same weight, etc....fears, woes....all valid-all real for us. You are strong, T-you two. I know we haven't dug into some of our other issues and demons, but I know you have them and it seems you too put yourself last. Ash, all anyone has to do is read your posts and it's clear YOU are always taking care of everyone else.
We deserve better. If we can't give it to ourselves, it's OK to ask for help. It doesn't make us weak or quitters or vain or anything else.
Kinda makes us smart. I refuse to mess w/ this weight for the rest of my life, the way I do. It's played too much an all consuming role in my life for way too long.
Spoke to Doc this morning. Letter is being written and finances are in order. I hope to get this done early summer...late spring. My #'s are really quite sad...AND, I am shorter than I thought. Bummer.
Love you two like sisters. Really.
PSSSSSS T, I love that you are so solidly 20 pounds down
Who knows why, but we'll take it.
XOXOXOXOX

[carbjunkie]

I'm glad you trust us enough to share..makes me feel good I do get it though so I wanted you to know that. I'm not just agreeing with you to agree..ya know? I truly feel your struggle.

Well lunch wasn't that great..went shopping and then to Wood Ranch..you have them? yum! I had a large coors lite a small chicken breast with coleslaw (made w/vinaigrette)..coulda passed on the beer but R insisted I take a break and have one so of course I obliged. I was battling in my head over it..he didn't get why it's such a struggle for me..I told him..you don't understand..I have worked my butt off to lose this 20 lbs and I don't want to do anything to go backwards. He said, were here to enjoy ourselves don't stress out...I thought how easy for him to say huh? So it just reinforced in my head why Jina is making the decision she is...cuz of stuff like this..it just shouldn't be such a big deal to drink a beer at lunch.

Anyway, I'll talk to you both later.

T - that's me!

[Stelakate]

I feel you T. It's so freakin annoying for everyone else, though too, ya know? I can just see rolling eyes when I say I "can't eat there-I am low-carbin'-duh!" and I get a daily phone call, 'whatcha eatin like today, so I/we know what to make/where to go". Wouldn't it be awesome to, go anywhere...drink whatever and eat whatever, just WAYY less than usual and you could say w/ complete honesty, 'ya know, food just ain't that big a deal to me...I just eat whatever and don't really think about it'. It's like the beer, I HAVE WORN YOUR SHOES, so many times, T- it's such an internal battle...then guilt...then like, oh I lost 20 - this won't hurt-I deserve it...then it spirals out of control or I berate myself about it after...or just order like 10 more and say VUCK IT ALL!
Yah, that's me. Your nutty, but adorable friend.

It's like that crust on the quiche Ashley, I mean come on, can you not eat that and be ok? It's SOOO UNFAIR!!!!!!!
hb egg for breakfast. salad bar for lunch w/ fresh pineapple...yummm. I was cleaning a table off (how annoying is that?) cuz there were no places left to sit and this lady was behind me saying 'excuse me, that's MY table'. OH if looks could KILL....my MOM would be dead. LOL it was my Mom and her friend taking a lunch break. She works as an MA too, for a community health care place a few miles away. Funny.
So lunch was a nice break.
I did get my hair darkened, but you can't tell. It's now not dark enough..ugh. OVER IT! It's pretty much my natural color now, looks more all over until I am in the sun, then there are little blond strips. Whatev.
T, how's the fam doin on WW? What about J?
Done w/ friends remodel Ash? Meant to say, those damn strawberry/cheesecake thingy-ma-bobs sound GREAT!

Til later, PEACE OUT!

[cardenas5usa]

Well just got back from getting the kids their play time in hopes they would fall asleep on the way home so I could get some stuff done, but alas they didn't. They are watching a movie now, I hate using the TV as a babysitter but when ya gotta do stuff, it can be a life saver.

Jina I am so glad you had the confidence in us to tell us your plans, we are so there with ya. I am so excited for you, I was telling E about it today and he was so in agreement too, and happy for you!

T, I am so glad your back is on the mend, in a few days you should be back full force.....but then again, if you are down more pouds with just hanging out taking it easy, maybe you should ride that wave for awhile,lol. It is funny how our bodies work. I swear when I take time off from exercising after going full force for awhile, I too notice an instant pound drop, weird but cool. I forget to give myself a break sometimes, need to remember that.

So another facinating thing happened today. We were at a pawn shop peeking at DS games, while there I always look at the rings too. I have been wanting a new ring for a year or so, ever since I lost my favorite one in the yard, and my real wedding ring has been getting so loose. Anyway, I found one I really liked and tried it on and it fit real nice. No size on it so I asked what size it was, the guy measured it, and said it was a little less than a 6 1/2! I about fell over!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I thought he was joking, I even asked him if he was! I have always hated how chubby my fingers were. Even my mom has always had thinner fingers than me! I have always worn a 9 or 8.5 (tightly) since forever and ever and ever. It so made my day! I feel really good today, like I am back in the groove. Yeah! So now I am online to see if I can find a great CZ for Mexico trip.

Uh oh, this is getting long, I'll wrap it up soon, I promise!

Lunch: Pho no noodles, no broccoli, tea, coffee.

Okay, I can't remember what else I was going to say so I'll stop now, love Ash

[cardenas5usa]

Oh, I know, exercise. I didn't get to curves, kind of figured that I wouldn't. So, before we left this morning I did a 45 minute cardio with weights, I was so sweaty E was like whoa! Chao, Ash

[cardenas5usa]

Jina that is so funny about your mom and lunch!! Glad it was a good break for you!

T you too, sounds like lunch was good and a lite beer, how great, but I too have worn the same shoes as Jina put so many times, looking at a menu and wrestling in my mind about what do I want to eat vs. what I should eat, so not fair, lol.

Yes, those strawberry things are so on my list of treats for later!! When I do make em, you both can come over and eat them with me! :-D

mwah, Ash

[carbjunkie]

J..mom and sis have lost 2 more lbs. They are doing well..J has lost another 2 also. I'm going to get back on the treadmill tomorrow but I'm going for a walk at the park tonight for 40 mins or so.

Ashley I don't mean to not include you as if you don't struggle like J and I. I understand even though you are on a lower scale..it's all relative..ya know? So I know you feel it too! Hey..cool thing about the skinny fingers..know what's funny?..my shoes are looser LOL

I just did my taxes..we got raped this year! We made double than last year but boy did we pay for it!

I don't know what's for dinner tonight..probably some more alcohol! I need it after seeing those numbers!

You girls are great...I s it!

T-dogg

ps..I was just editing..look at all those exclamation marks LOL...stress?

[Stelakate]

T, laughin about u gettin raped...funny term. That sucks for you. GUESS what sucks for ME???? Bre and pete came over w/ kids to grill dinner. Kate puts a movie in downstairs and comes barreling up shouting the basement bathroom is overflowing all over the damn place. Greeeeaaattt. SO, we go down, it's like anything ever put in there came up, toilet paper and all...OMG, disgusting!! We go out to the family room and into storage room and it's at least 4 in deep in there w/ floating poop to boot! NO VUCKING JOKE!!!!!!!!!!! SOOOOOO much stuff in there, like garage sale bins, all our christmas decorations/etc...OMG-sooooo grossed out. That door leads to the garage thankfully, but the garage is still packed pretty good, so we had a poopy stream of water going out...so pissed, so grossed out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Talk about losing your appetite!! I pulled carpet out of the bathroom and bleached it out (hate a carpeted bath anyway-so outdated, even though it's 'new shag' carpet that is brand new!) while pete snaked the drain and kate sucked the water out...had to call roto-dude and it was $130. UGH!! WHY US DAMMIT!!!
So, that's us. sucky as hell.
Can't stop thinking about surgery. Ya know Rebecca is wanting it too, which her health is worse than mine. Dr. S, is in total favor for it for both and when I jokingly suggested we have a tandum surgery, lol, and asked if we could close the office for a week's recovery he said..."YES! I could use a vacation myself." Can you believe that guy? He is the sweetest ever. Not that we would do that, but it's so nice he is in support. The funny thing is he I said , DS (call him that for short) did you think I needed that surgery ever, and he was like....yah, but i'd never of suggested it to ya, how shi*ty would that be of me??!??!
My sister found out, THANKS KATE! She was like, you don't need it, your too small...blah blah, typical...I knew it. BUT, surprisingly - I just don't care what people think.
ENOUGH of that talk.
Good steal on the super small ring Ash. Shoes smaller, that's true too T, it happens. I am so freakin proud of you two girls. Such awesome troopers.
Well, the evening has come to a close-I need a hot shower and bed. TGIF tomorrow but I work sat. morning, which totally sucks.
Ash, I wish we really could come over to your house. Someday. I really mean it. Night ladies.

Rootin for your #'s tomorrow...not much hope in mine. That's ok.

[Stelakate]

I HEART QVC! You should look into their epiphany clad collection....I love that stuff..to be honest, when Kate bought my platinum ring that is .50 carat w/ a 1 carat band of diamonds....after a while I TOTALLY wished it were fake. I get too freaky about ruining it, when my weight fluctuates I cant wear them anyway, the band is thick and uncomfortable...list goes on and on.

I want a 5 carat shocker that is totally CZ, just to make people wonder about it!! Isn't that funny? Just might someday. Wonder how much you get for a real 1/2 carat princess solitare and a band of diamonds....could sell and sock a ton away...diamonds dont depreciate, right?
Besides, 1/2 carat solitare is so 10 years ago...lol...everything is bigger and better now. But it does remind me of a time when we were not doing as well financially, I had no clue she had bought them...and she asked my parents if she could ask me to marry her...awww...so sweet. I came home early from work one day and she had over 100 roses in all colors spread all over the house, w/ wine and everything and I came in too soon before she was ready, she started crying and asked me....it was one of the best days of my life. Then we went to Outback Steakhouse and had the best damn meal ever. How funny, we celebrated w/ food. Typical.

Oh well...I loved the rings then and I will keep them for Stela to do whatever she wants with them. Aside from a home or car they are my most expensive assets...sad, right?

[cardenas5usa]

Haven't read your posts yet Jina, but just wanted to say to T, I never feel left out that way, so no worries. :-) And that is funny/crappy about the taxes! Sometimes I feel like just sending the gov my taxes minus all the $ that they tax us on things that I don't support! Such as the all time and dinero we have spent running other countries.

[cardenas5usa]

Originally Posted by Stelakate

I HEART QVC! You should look into their epiphany clad collection....I love that stuff..to be honest, when Kate bought my platinum ring that is .50 carat w/ a 1 carat band of diamonds....after a while I TOTALLY wished it were fake. I get too freaky about ruining it, when my weight fluctuates I cant wear them anyway, the band is thick and uncomfortable...list goes on and on.

I want a 5 carat shocker that is totally CZ, just to make people wonder about it!! Isn't that funny? Just might someday. Wonder how much you get for a real 1/2 carat princess solitare and a band of diamonds....could sell and sock a ton away...diamonds dont depreciate, right?
Besides, 1/2 carat solitare is so 10 years ago...lol...everything is bigger and better now. But it does remind me of a time when we were not doing as well financially, I had no clue she had bought them...and she asked my parents if she could ask me to marry her...awww...so sweet. I came home early from work one day and she had over 100 roses in all colors spread all over the house, w/ wine and everything and I came in too soon before she was ready, she started crying and asked me....it was one of the best days of my life. Then we went to Outback Steakhouse and had the best damn meal ever. How funny, we celebrated w/ food. Typical.

Oh well...I loved the rings then and I will keep them for Stela to do whatever she wants with them. Aside from a home or car they are my most expensive assets...sad, right?

Okay, so funny!!
A: The Epiphany line is what I have been looking at, I found about 10 rings I love already!!
B: 1/2 carat solitare is what I have (pear) for my wedding ring, and it is almost exactly 10 years ago! LOL, too funny!
C: my fave one that I lost a year ago was from QVC, and I miss it so much! It was a white gold Diamonique, oval with side stones in a tulip setting, I so ed it, I felt so bad that I lost it, but it was cause I really really loved it. If I lost my soltaire, I would feel bad, but only cause of the monitary value. After I got my Diamonique ring, I so wished that we hadn't have spent the thousand on my real ring and saved it for an even better honeymoon. Too funny! Ash

Jina, OMGGGGGGGGGGGGG, what a mess the toilet! That is really really Shi*ty!! LOL. I cracked up when I read it, but I am sure you weren't laughing! Wish I could be there to help you, seriously. And don't you just hate the arm and leg those roto guys charge!! Man oh man, well, another new project on your list.

PPS. No diamonds don't depriciate, they hold.

[carbjunkie]

Jina! that so sucks for you..sorry about the mess..what a bummer. My house is 40 yrs old and I haven't had any major sh*t happen yet (thank u God)

You know what is hysterical..my mom is a qvc junkie! hsn too but seriously...she calls me and says, 'turn on qvc epiphany is on.' (cuz I love sparklies) but I make fun of her all the time. I had a 1/2 c when I got married but 5 yrs later I upgraded to 1 carat...soon to be 2

We went to the park..what a lovely evening here..about 75 and clear as heck we walked for 1 hour and came home and I had 1 cup of whole grain pasta w/tomato for dinner...that's its for me.

I agree with you Ash how our govt is always in other countries' bizness at our expense!

and I lean republican..can u believe it?