Just a Simple White Bread Thread

[Kevinpa]

Originally Posted by nurseypoo5

kevin or anyone...i have one question...

my bread maker says to add all the wet stuff first..but i didnt know what to do with the fast acting yeast as the package said mix with warm water..

so i added the yeast on top of the warm water and stirred just a second.

was that right? Its been 20 minutes and its not rising at all..i have it in a warm oven with the door open and a towel on top..

im not a good cook..hehehehe

Sorry Nurseypoo, I don't own a bread machine so i have very little knowledge of how they work.

[nurseypoo5]

Originally Posted by Kevinpa

Sorry Nurseypoo, I don't own a bread machine so i have very little knowledge of how they work.

well its been 1 1/2 hours and its not rising

what else could it be? It mixed and kneaded my dough in the machine for a long time (till it made the little ball everyone talked about)..then i spread it into the pan. it maybe doubled in size but thats still only about 3 or 4 inches high. I did have a slightly warm oven...

how long has it taken everyone else to make this stuff rise??

im thinking of doing a new batch! not sure what i did wrong

[nurseypoo5]

Originally Posted by nurseypoo5

kevin or anyone...i have one question...

my bread maker says to add all the wet stuff first..but i didnt know what to do with the fast acting yeast as the package said mix with warm water..

so i added the yeast on top of the warm water and stirred just a second.

was that right? Its been 20 minutes and its not rising at all..i have it in a warm oven with the door open and a towel on top..

im not a good cook..hehehehe

was i supposed to use the fast acting yeast...was it right to mix it with the water first...

i cant figure out what the heck i did wrong..

[Kevinpa]

Originally Posted by nurseypoo5

was i supposed to use the fast acting yeast...was it right to mix it with the water first...

i cant figure out what the heck i did wrong..

I did not have a bread machine in mind when I was developing this bread recipe nor was it ever tested in one as far as I know. I have always heard the bread machines are rather fussy about the order that things are done and this recipe was made to mix, knead, let rise and bake.

[nurseypoo5]

Originally Posted by Kevinpa

I did not have a bread machine in mind when I was developing this bread recipe nor was it ever tested in one as far as I know. I have always heard the bread machines are rather fussy about the order that things are done and this recipe was made to mix, knead, let rise and bake.

it seemed like a lot of people were having success just using hte machine for the mixing and kneading part..i'm definatly not cooking it in there.

well..i dont have a kitchen aid and cant afford one right now..but i do have a food processor. It has the sharp 2 metal blade attachement..i guess i can try this.

I have to stay up tongiht as i work graveyard tomorrow..i can start a new batch now lol.

I'll cook the loaf i started...will it rise at all in the oven?

like i said before i've never made bread before that didnt cook inside the bread machine...

I wish i could cook like you kevin LOL...

[nurseypoo5]

Originally Posted by Kevinpa

I took the dinner roll recipe and subbed carbalose for carbquik and made a loaf of it.
Although it rose a bit lop-sided, this is the best texture and taste of any loaf I have made yet.


* 1/2 cup bottled spring water
* 1/2 cup warm CC milk
* 2 large eggs
* 2 Tbsp. butter
* 1/2 Tsp. salt
* 1/8 cup wheat protein isolate 8000
* 1 3/8 cup Carbalose
* 1 1/8 cup + 3/4 cup wheat protein isolate 5000
* 1/8 cup Resistant Wheat Starch 70
* 1 Tbls. not/Sugar
* 1/8 Tsp. splenda quick pack
* 2 Tsp. baking powder
* 1 Tsp. sugar
* 1 packet rapid rise yeast

Combine all the dry ingredient in a glass mixing bowl except 3/4 cup wheat protein isolate 5000.
Then put the wet ingredients in an electric mixing bowl.
With the paddle, mix the wet for about 1 minute on low then add the dry mixing till well combined.
Change the paddle for the dough hook and knead with the hook for 8 to 10 min adding the wheat protein isolate 5000 as needed until the dough pulles away from the sides of the mixing bowl and climbes up the hook.
Then form dough and place in a lighly greased loaf dish.
Let rise for 1 hour in a warm draft free place till dough doubles in size.
Preheat oven to 350 degrees.

Bake 35 to 40 mins or until golden brown.

kevin, if i make this can i substitute..

spring water for filtered water

CC milk for half cream half water

and i dont have NOT SUGAR..can anything else substitute it? I have different kinds of sugar substitutes..


or should i try the carbquick again with the processor..i have all those ingredients.

thanks so much for all you do here!

[That Girl]

nurseypoo: "wouldnt it freak us all out if they stopped making this stuff......did i just jinx us eeeeeeeeeeeek".[/quote]

oh, now you probably went and did it! you don't open umbrella's in the house or walk under ladders, just to tempt fate, do you? i am knocking on wood right now!! actually, all kidding aside, i thought the very same thing yesterday when i made the rolls,which by the way, grew to the size of a small softballs. they were beautiful. they fell a little after cooling, but they made a perfectly shaped hamburger bun. try making them in a muffin top pan. good recipe. anyway, what would we do w/out the flour???

[That Girl]

nurseypoo, i just read the rest of the posts. as far as the bread not rising, i think bread machines are picky about the order of contents. so, i would add water, flours and then your yeast last, thats what my directions tell me to do. let me know how it comes out.

[nurseypoo5]

Originally Posted by That Girl

nurseypoo, i just read the rest of the posts. as far as the bread not rising, i think bread machines are picky about the order of contents. so, i would add water, flours and then your yeast last, thats what my directions tell me to do. let me know how it comes out.

im doing a re-do now, it cooked, about 2-3 inches high and as dense as a rock...

im sure it must not have kneaded enough....

i'm going to try my food processor..i have 4 herniated discs in my neck and my shoulder is shot..lso hand kneading would literally be a "pain in the neck" lol.

wish me luck...looks like im pulling an all nighter to get this straight!

[That Girl]

Originally Posted by nurseypoo5

im doing a re-do now, it cooked, about 2-3 inches high and as dense as a rock...

im sure it must not have kneaded enough....

i'm going to try my food processor..i have 4 herniated discs in my neck and my shoulder is shot..lso hand kneading would literally be a "pain in the neck" lol.

wish me luck...looks like im pulling an all nighter to get this straight!

aw, that sucks! hope you feel better soon. good luck w/the bread!

[nurseypoo5]

Originally Posted by Kevinpa

I took the dinner roll recipe and subbed carbalose for carbquik and made a loaf of it.
Although it rose a bit lop-sided, this is the best texture and taste of any loaf I have made yet.


* 1/2 cup bottled spring water
* 1/2 cup warm CC milk
* 2 large eggs
* 2 Tbsp. butter
* 1/2 Tsp. salt
* 1/8 cup wheat protein isolate 8000
* 1 3/8 cup Carbalose
* 1 1/8 cup + 3/4 cup wheat protein isolate 5000
* 1/8 cup Resistant Wheat Starch 70
* 1 Tbls. not/Sugar
* 1/8 Tsp. splenda quick pack
* 2 Tsp. baking powder
* 1 Tsp. sugar
* 1 packet rapid rise yeast

Combine all the dry ingredient in a glass mixing bowl except 3/4 cup wheat protein isolate 5000.
Then put the wet ingredients in an electric mixing bowl.
With the paddle, mix the wet for about 1 minute on low then add the dry mixing till well combined.
Change the paddle for the dough hook and knead with the hook for 8 to 10 min adding the wheat protein isolate 5000 as needed until the dough pulles away from the sides of the mixing bowl and climbes up the hook.
Then form dough and place in a lighly greased loaf dish.
Let rise for 1 hour in a warm draft free place till dough doubles in size.
Preheat oven to 350 degrees.

Bake 35 to 40 mins or until golden brown.

ok its 2am and i just finished making this recipe, or well, its TRYING to rise lol...

i probably royally screwed it up because im missing some stuff..

i subed half cream half water for the CC, i subbed (this is my biggest utoh) the 1 tbsp of not sugar for poly D (its all i had..) and i only had liquid splenda so i added 5 drops (equals 1 tsp) ...because the poly D has a tad bit of sweetner...

we'll see...i also used my food processor and boy after a few minutes that dough wrapped all the way to the top but was still a tiny bit sticky..then i needed it for just a minute or two and put it in the pan.

pray for me lol.

[jackieba]

Nurseypoo,

I haven't made the roll recipe (I use my own for rolls) but I made both of the original loaf breads. I'm happy with the Carbalose one so I haven't tried this newer version. I always use my bread machine and haven't had any problems. I put the liquids in first (I warm them), then the dry ingred except yeast, butter if that's in the recipe, sugar then the yeast. I let it mix/knead but the first time it stops, I take the dough out (I say the first time it stops because mine stops to rest for about 5 min then would start kneading again but I think that overworks the dough a bit for low carb bread anyway). My machine takes about 20 minutes from start to end of first knead. I use the rapid rise yeast but plain yeast should work fine too--I don't mix it with the water. I do use thickenthin not/starch; if you have xanthum gum you could use that (notice the original bread recipes use xanthum/guar gums). I think it should rise without it because I have made breads without it. I always use liquid splenda (sweetzfree).

[jackieba]

Forgot to add, I put the dough in my warm oven (I warm it for 1-2 mins because my house is chilly), close the door and leave the light on. If your house is warm you can just put it on the counter but I've never done it that way. I always put it in the oven and keep the door closed (don't want a chill of air hitting it). I don't even cover the dough because in the past I've had some rise enough to stick to whatever was covering it and when I pulled the "cover" off it left air pockets and the bread fell.

Mine usually rises in 45 minutes but I give it an hour. Make sure your yeast is fresh--(if you've had it over a month I'd get new yeast no matter what the date on it says).

When trying a new recipe, sometimes when my dough is kneading, I'll stop the machine and touch it--it should feel kinda tacky, if it feels dry you need to add a little water (1-2 tablespoons at a time).

[jackieba]

I should also mention (sorry to make so many posts) that I have used polyd in breads before--in fact I used it in place of sugar but the results were inconsistent so I stopped using it for that but it's not hurting a thing. I don't think the cream/water in place of CC hurts a thing either. I don't see any of your subs causing a problem.

I would have used more than 1 tsp sweetening equiv of your liquid splenda--I would have used 2 tbsp worth of sweetening power but that's just to help the flavor, doesn't affect rising. If you're using regular polyd, it doesn't have enough sweetner to even count (in my opinion).

[crazywoman-n-wy]

I made the last one Kevin posted (#247). I had some problems, but it could have been for several reasons.
I made it in a bread machine (all the way). I'm not good at making yeast bread, so that is why I used the machine. My yeast may have been too old. I should have tested it, but I forgot till it was too late.
May not have used enough WPI. I think maybe it needed more than I put in.
I decided to use the rapid rise setting on the machine. Thought it might not do two rises that way, not even sure if does anyway. Never haver really figured that out. I don't stand over it for 3 hours (which is how long it takes for the regular setting.) I had never used that setting before, and didn't (still don't really) know how it worked. But it seems to have more heat during the kneading. Since I was adding more WPI as it was kneading, I don't think it kept in the heat that it should have.

Well, it tastes good, but it never rose very much at all. Not even to halfway up the bread pan.

I would like to try the bread again, but now I just don't know where to start. I never have understood yeast bread making.

As I said tho, it had a good taste.

[jackieba]

Billie,
Your regular setting does do two rises (I guarantee it--all traditional high carb breadmaking does 2 rises) but that does not work well with low carb baking. The first rise will do well but the second time it won't--I've tried it. I don't know about the rapid rise cycle because mine does not have one (it's a very old machine) but I bet it still does two rises maybe just for a shorter time. How long does it take? The book that came with it should say something about what makes that cycle different, assuming you still have that. When I tried letting the machine do lowcarb bread from start to end, I had a very, very dense loaf (maybe half the size of what it should have been--I was doing good to get 6-8 slices out of it which made it not so lowcarb).

Naturally I'd suggest my way--let it mix/knead once (I set a timer for 20 mins so I know when to come check it), take it out, put it in your loaf pan (I spray my pan with PAM), sit it in your oven and leave it for an hour with the door closed. It should rise just fine that way.

[Zuleikaa]

Nurseypoo5
I've always used my food processor to make Kevinpas bread recipes. IMO, it's fast and easy and makes a superior high rise loaf.

[crazywoman-n-wy]

Thanks Jackie. I had never tried the rapid rise before. It said 58 minutes when I sat it for the rapid rise. I don't think it had a second rise. But really don't know. It didn't knead again anyway, I'm pretty sure. I was in the room with it most of the time.
The machine belongs to my daughter. It ended up at my house one time when she was in transition. She hasn't found the book, so I'm just having to figure everything out. It is pretty old too, tho not real old. It is a Magic Chef. I've gone on line to see if I could get a manual, and they don't make them anymore, nor support them.

Like I said, I've never been good at making yeast breads. There were way too many variables too know what when wrong on that bread.
But a few questions if ya don't mind.
Will not having enough flour (being too wet) cause poor rising?
If I take it out after the kneading, how much should I hand knead it before putting it in the pan. And do I just simply form a loaf, or should I do the old fashioned roll it out, then form roll it up into a loaf, like they always show in the cook books?
If I set it in the oven to rise, when do I turn the oven up to the temp to cook it? Should I take the loaf out while it is comeing up to the right temp? I've always wondered about that.

I've always had trouble (especially here) getting yeast bread to rise. Even with fresh yeast. Maybe it's partly the altitude. ???

I really don't like the shape of the pan in this bread pan anyway. So next time I may try taking it out and baking it in the oven. Don't mind it this time of year. But in the summer, it sure is nice to use the bread machine, and not heat up my kitchen.

It will be a few days before I try again. I'll eat this first. I sliced it pretty thin. It isn't really all that dense. I was surprised. I'll test my yeast first. If I don't have any that is any good, it may be a longggggg time before I try again. I'm still snowed in.

Thanks for the help!

[jackieba]

Too wet is bad too. Sometimes you have to adjust the liquid a little for altitude. If it feels kinda sticky, that's fine but it shouldn't feel "wet" and it should form a ball in the machine. The WPI 5000 helps make it stretchy and helps with rising so if it feels wet, add a little more of that.

I've had some that felt just tacky (like the back of a post-it note) and some that felt real sticky but they all rose. I made some kind of bread/roll/bun atleast once a week.

Don't knead at all by hand. I take it out of the bread machine, form a loaf with my hands (I fold the dough under so that it's smooth on top and I pinch any "seams"), put it in the sprayed loaf pan--I press it down a little but I don't worry about making it long enough to really fit the pan--it will expand in length as it rises. Then I put it in the oven, close the door, leave the light on and come back an hour later.

The orig Carbalose bread I routinely make rises very very high--in fact I got a bigger loaf pan because of that. The Carbquik one rose above the pan but not as much as the Carbalose one.
I can't speak for the last version cause I haven't tried it but that's the one I'm going to use for the pizza crust. Thought I'd do that today but it looks like it will be tomorrow.

Yes take it out of the oven before heating the oven. I have double ovens so I use one to let it rise and the other to bake. If you need to use your oven, you could sit it in the microwave, it just needs a place that's draft free (and not cold) to rise.

I really think the bread machine is the easiest way. I use to make yeast rolls by hand and it was alot of work. After that, I had a mixer with dough hooks and I used that before I got my bread machine (don't even have the mixer anymore) but I still think the machine is easier. It hasn't let me down yet. I have not tried a food processor. But everyone has their preferred method.

[Kevinpa]

One of the biggest reasons I started this thread was because of the concept of Simple. It allowed people to basically put their ingredients in a mixer, combine and then turn out into a loaf pan to rise then bake. Then those like Zuleikaa showed us that without a mixer the concept of Simple could still be maintained using a food processer. Somewhere I fear this concept is being lost by bread machines and my introduction of cinnamon rolls and pizza dough where the dough does not work as well being sticky. Things like rolling a jellyroll or streaching out pizza dough is almost impossible with sticky dough so I tried to introduce the addition of extra WPI 5000 at the end of the process to adjust the texture of the dough for these extra steps. If your just making bread it is not neccessary to make this adjustment at the end and the extra WPI can be added with the rest of the ingredients.

My point to this is if you are trying to make a loaf of bread and there is any way to keep it Simple...ie Mix, rise, and bake then this recipe should live up to its name....Simple and remain a very forgiving easy to follow process. If you have been intimidated in the past by HC yeast bread......my advice....forget the experience and keep it simple.

Lastly I am sorry I can't help you adapt this recipe to a bread machine since I have little to no experience working with one and the use of one was never my intention.