Isomalt Mock light corn syrup experiment

Kevinpa · 08-16-2006, 05:38 AM

A 3 to 1 ratio of isomalt/water 7 to 10 minutes over medium heat and completely cooled in fridge showed absolutely no re-crystallization.

Clear with a taste and texture similar to light Karo.

This is some impressive stuff.

Thank you for your help Scott

ebonyeyz28 · 08-16-2006, 07:16 AM

OMG Kevin I will love you forever if this is even CLOSE to the real thing! I see LC pecan pie in my future real, real soon!

Now, where do I get the Isomalt??!

Strawberry · 08-16-2006, 02:28 PM

Food companies really should be paying you (Kevin) and Scott for this type of product development!!!

SugarBabi · 08-16-2006, 03:24 PM

I'm impressed. It's so amazing. I was reading about the Isomalt. It's the same thing they use to make those fancy ribbons, etc. for the sugar sculptures on TV. Pretty wild.

So whatcha gonna make outta that there corn syrup Kevin?

Kevinpa · 08-16-2006, 03:48 PM

I made a Pecan Pie.

SugarBabi · 08-16-2006, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevinpa

I made a Pecan Pie.

And is it the best low carb pecan pie ever?

I wouldn't mind seeing a picture if you have any left.

Psst--maybe you can bottle this stuff and sell it. I know I'd buy some. *grin*

Kevinpa · 08-16-2006, 03:57 PM

Pecan Pie Anyone?

SugarBabi · 08-16-2006, 03:58 PM

Thanks Kevin. I somehow missed the other thread. Nice looking pie. Yum-Oh!!

sungoddess · 08-16-2006, 04:40 PM

Oh Wow Kevin- just curious. Do you think this could be used to make a marshmellow fluff? I haven't liked any of the recipes developed for fluff and I yearn for it.

Pam · 08-16-2006, 07:34 PM

[quote=Kevinpa]A 3 to 1 ratio of isomalt/water 7 to 10 minutes over medium heat and completely cooled in fridge showed absolutely no re-crystallization.

Clear with a taste and texture similar to light Karo.

This is some impressive stuff.

Kevin, do you keep this refrigerated? Is it possible to make fudge? I have to wait awhile before ordering the isomalt. I JUST received a shipment from Netrition. I, too, believe you should be paid or compensated in some way for your recipes; along with Scott 123, LindaSue and all the others who contribute their time and effort to come up with great tasting recipes! You guys really light up my day! Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kevinpa · 08-16-2006, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by sungoddess

Do you think this could be used to make a marshmellow fluff?

I am just learning sungoddess, but from what I can tell at this point if it is something that calls for corn syrup this has good possibilities of recreating it. My problem now is so many things to try and not enough isomalt

I only bought enough to do some experimenting and I can see that is disappearing fast.

Kevinpa · 08-16-2006, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Pam

Kevin, do you keep this refrigerated? Is it possible to make fudge?

This is what I have found out since this morning. After several hours in the fridge, some re-crystallization does start to take place. Nothing drastic, it becomes noticably thicker and turns a milky color. Once heat is applied to it again it returns to a clear Karo like syrup.

For my purposes, I plan to make it as I go reather than store it in a liquid form. At 7 to 10 mins a batch, that is minimal effort to add to a recipe IMO.

jlshields · 08-17-2006, 12:44 PM

Can isomalt be used alone as a sugar sub or do you need the synergy of mixing to get right flavor?

Kevinpa · 08-17-2006, 01:02 PM

Jeanne isomalt is only 40% as sweet as sugar and would not make a stand alone sweetener. Also it has specific applications that it works well at such as candy, icing, chocolate but is not a good general sweetener.

jlshields · 08-17-2006, 02:26 PM

Kevin,

Thank you for the info. BTW I love your humor in your siggys. I have borrowed them. Hope you don't mind.

I thought the price I found of $4.50 a pound was pretty good, but I guess I will keep looking based on a post on the other site.

scott123 · 08-17-2006, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Pam

Is it possible to make fudge?

Absolutely. Isomalt is ideal for fudge. Fudge is one instance of the controlled crystallization of sugar. At this point I wouldn't know how to get isomalt to crystallize in the exact same way, but you could 'fudge' it (pun intended

) and powder the isomalt first to obtain the correct texture.

Isomalt is ideal in any recipe where powdered sugar could be used. Powdered sugar is not a traditional way to make fudge, but it works well, none the less.

Isomalt + little bit of splenda + little bit of xanthan gum = perfect powdered sugar

Maltitol works in powdered sugar, but isomalt is generally less laxating, less carby and less blood sugar impact. Erythritol has the right texture for powdered sugar but it's too cooling in it's undissolved form.

ebonyeyz28 · 08-17-2006, 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scott123

Absolutely. Isomalt is ideal for fudge. Fudge is one instance of the controlled crystallization of sugar. At this point I wouldn't know how to get isomalt to crystallize in the exact same way, but you could 'fudge' it (pun intended

) and powder the isomalt first to obtain the correct texture.

Isomalt is ideal in any recipe where powdered sugar could be used. Powdered sugar is not a traditional way to make fudge, but it works well, none the less.

Isomalt + little bit of splenda + little bit of xanthan gum = perfect powdered sugar

Maltitol works in powdered sugar, but isomalt is generally less laxating, less carby and less blood sugar impact. Erythritol has the right texture for powdered sugar but it's too cooling in it's undissolved form.

Powdered sugar AND mock Karo?! My heart can't take it!*swooning*

Thanks Kevin and Scott you guys are my creative idols!

Pam · 08-18-2006, 11:45 AM

Thanks, Scott! The holidays are right around the corner. I'd love to make some "real" fudge. I'll be buying some Isomalt soon! Hopefully Netrition will sell it! I am one of many who have it on the "wish list"..........

RVlady · 08-18-2006, 12:05 PM

I've succumbed to temptation..Could not stand it anymore reading all these yummy recipes...just ordered 5 lbs. of isomalt. I should have it by the middle of next week and then I will shock DH with a pecan pie.

Connie

Kevinpa · 08-25-2006, 06:17 AM

When my small supply runs out I will be buying both granular and powdered this next time so I don't have to use my coffee grinder to make the powdered. The coffee grinder works ok but I imagine the kind you buy would be much finer.

Kevinpa · 08-25-2006, 09:39 AM

I tried a couple tests this morning subbing davinci for the water......OMG it was perfect. I tried it with carmel and peanutbutter.

SugarBabi · 10-07-2006, 03:28 PM

Kevin ~ Is it better to powder the Isomalt when you are adding it to DaVinci syrup? Thanks for your help here.

Also, have you noticed any spots/dots or really they are lumps of undisolved Isomalt -- on the second day after making any type of syrup?

I made some the other day and it was clear, but the next day, it had some dots or spots or whatever in them and they were crunchy, so I have to think that some of the isomalt didn't dissolve and maybe I should have cooked it a bit longer or maybe powdering it first would resolve that.

Kevinpa · 10-07-2006, 03:43 PM

I did grind mine to a powder the first time I made it but tried it regular the 2nd time. It disolves quicker with the powder but I had no crunchy spots the next day with the granular. I use a small coffee grinder to powder mine. My food processor did not work very well.

SugarBabi · 10-07-2006, 04:06 PM

Thank you so much Kevin.

I was thinking you had mentioned powdering the Isomalt on one of your threads, but I couldn't find it...it took me forever to find this one, but I'm a determined woman today. LOL

I'm going to try powdering it next time and I agree with you, it's much better to make it as you go. After being in the fridge a few days, one of my experiments kinda stays a bit sugary (like sugar grains), but I might not have heated it up enough. I'll try it again later on.

LauraFL · 10-07-2006, 04:28 PM

WOW!! So cool to find a "corn syrup" replacement AND a powdered sugar replacement on one thread!! Thanks Sugar for bringing this forward.

I had never seen the original.

Just curious but why would you refridgerate this once you make it? (Other than past cooling it off?) You don't normally store corn syrup in the fridge, so why this?

My fudge recipe needs evaporated milk. Got any ideas for that Kevin?

SugarBabi · 10-07-2006, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by lowcarbcontender

WOW!! So cool to find a "corn syrup" replacement AND a powdered sugar replacement on one thread!! Thanks Sugar for bringing this forward.

I had never seen the original.

Just curious but why would you refridgerate this once you make it? (Other than past cooling it off?) You don't normally store corn syrup in the fridge, so why this?

My fudge recipe needs evaporated milk. Got any ideas for that Kevin?

You got me there. I have no idea, it's just that I cooked it, so I put it in the fridge...wasn't one of my better moments. LOL And I know so little about Isomalt, I didn't know if it would spoil just sitting on the counter, but I see now that it doesn't, at least not for a few days so far.

It's great stuff for corn syrup.

LauraFL · 10-07-2006, 05:13 PM

Sugar, have you tried making any of Kevin's isomalt ice cream? BOY is that stuff good! The recipe is super easy to adapt too. I made some pina colada ice cream today, or I should say, I TRIED to, but even after 1 1/2 hours in the fridge it still wouldn't firm up in the freezer. (Heavy cream might have but I like the lighter taste of the Half&Half he recommends.) That is one thing I'm finding with that recipe. The longer I refridgerate before freezing the better. But my 20 minute attempt thawed my freezer out to the point where I won't be able to try again until the morning. ICE CREAM FOR BREAKFAST!!

08-16-2006, 05:38 AM	#1
Kevinpa Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 4,749 Gallery: Kevinpa Stats: 230/160/165 WOE: Low Carb Maintenance Start Date: May 2005	Isomalt Mock light corn syrup experiment A 3 to 1 ratio of isomalt/water 7 to 10 minutes over medium heat and completely cooled in fridge showed absolutely no re-crystallization. Clear with a taste and texture similar to light Karo. This is some impressive stuff. Thank you for your help Scott Last edited by Kevinpa : 08-16-2006 at 05:46 AM.

08-16-2006, 07:34 PM	#10
Pam Senior LCF Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Indiana/Florida Posts: 519 Gallery: Pam Stats: 181/148/145 WOE: moderate carbs Start Date: March 2001	[quote=Kevinpa]A 3 to 1 ratio of isomalt/water 7 to 10 minutes over medium heat and completely cooled in fridge showed absolutely no re-crystallization. Clear with a taste and texture similar to light Karo. This is some impressive stuff. Kevin, do you keep this refrigerated? Is it possible to make fudge? I have to wait awhile before ordering the isomalt. I JUST received a shipment from Netrition. I, too, believe you should be paid or compensated in some way for your recipes; along with Scott 123, LindaSue and all the others who contribute their time and effort to come up with great tasting recipes! You guys really light up my day! Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! __________________ Pam

08-16-2006, 07:16 AM	#2
ebonyeyz28 Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Inland Empire, CA Posts: 4,953 Gallery: ebonyeyz28 Stats: Then: 274.5, size 28 Now:172.5, Size 10/12! WOE: Atkins Maintenance Start Date: December 27, 2002	OMG Kevin I will love you forever if this is even CLOSE to the real thing! I see LC pecan pie in my future real, real soon! Now, where do I get the Isomalt??!

08-16-2006, 02:28 PM	#3
Strawberry MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,724 Gallery: Strawberry	Food companies really should be paying you (Kevin) and Scott for this type of product development!!!

08-16-2006, 03:24 PM	#4
SugarBabi MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,263 Gallery: SugarBabi WOE: My Own Type Of Low Carb Start Date: 2/12/2005	I'm impressed. It's so amazing. I was reading about the Isomalt. It's the same thing they use to make those fancy ribbons, etc. for the sugar sculptures on TV. Pretty wild. So whatcha gonna make outta that there corn syrup Kevin?

08-16-2006, 03:48 PM	#5
Kevinpa Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 4,749 Gallery: Kevinpa Stats: 230/160/165 WOE: Low Carb Maintenance Start Date: May 2005	I made a Pecan Pie.

08-16-2006, 03:57 PM	#7
Kevinpa Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 4,749 Gallery: Kevinpa Stats: 230/160/165 WOE: Low Carb Maintenance Start Date: May 2005	Pecan Pie Anyone?

08-16-2006, 03:58 PM	#8
SugarBabi MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,263 Gallery: SugarBabi WOE: My Own Type Of Low Carb Start Date: 2/12/2005	Thanks Kevin. I somehow missed the other thread. Nice looking pie. Yum-Oh!!

08-16-2006, 04:40 PM	#9
sungoddess MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,401 Gallery: sungoddess Start Date: not soon enough	Oh Wow Kevin- just curious. Do you think this could be used to make a marshmellow fluff? I haven't liked any of the recipes developed for fluff and I yearn for it.

08-17-2006, 12:44 PM	#13
jlshields MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Sierra Vista, AZ Posts: 1,425 Gallery: jlshields Stats: 225/154/145 WOE: Crack the Fat Loss Code Start Date: 7/21/08	Can isomalt be used alone as a sugar sub or do you need the synergy of mixing to get right flavor?

08-17-2006, 01:02 PM	#14
Kevinpa Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 4,749 Gallery: Kevinpa Stats: 230/160/165 WOE: Low Carb Maintenance Start Date: May 2005	Jeanne isomalt is only 40% as sweet as sugar and would not make a stand alone sweetener. Also it has specific applications that it works well at such as candy, icing, chocolate but is not a good general sweetener.

08-17-2006, 02:26 PM	#15
jlshields MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Sierra Vista, AZ Posts: 1,425 Gallery: jlshields Stats: 225/154/145 WOE: Crack the Fat Loss Code Start Date: 7/21/08	Kevin, Thank you for the info. BTW I love your humor in your siggys. I have borrowed them. Hope you don't mind. I thought the price I found of $4.50 a pound was pretty good, but I guess I will keep looking based on a post on the other site.

08-18-2006, 11:45 AM	#18
Pam Senior LCF Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Indiana/Florida Posts: 519 Gallery: Pam Stats: 181/148/145 WOE: moderate carbs Start Date: March 2001	Thanks, Scott! The holidays are right around the corner. I'd love to make some "real" fudge. I'll be buying some Isomalt soon! Hopefully Netrition will sell it! I am one of many who have it on the "wish list"..........

08-18-2006, 12:05 PM	#19
RVlady Senior LCF Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Chicago burbs Posts: 247 Gallery: RVlady	I've succumbed to temptation..Could not stand it anymore reading all these yummy recipes...just ordered 5 lbs. of isomalt. I should have it by the middle of next week and then I will shock DH with a pecan pie. Connie

08-25-2006, 06:17 AM	#20
Kevinpa Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 4,749 Gallery: Kevinpa Stats: 230/160/165 WOE: Low Carb Maintenance Start Date: May 2005	When my small supply runs out I will be buying both granular and powdered this next time so I don't have to use my coffee grinder to make the powdered. The coffee grinder works ok but I imagine the kind you buy would be much finer.

08-25-2006, 09:39 AM	#21
Kevinpa Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 4,749 Gallery: Kevinpa Stats: 230/160/165 WOE: Low Carb Maintenance Start Date: May 2005	I tried a couple tests this morning subbing davinci for the water......OMG it was perfect. I tried it with carmel and peanutbutter.

10-07-2006, 03:28 PM	#22
SugarBabi MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,263 Gallery: SugarBabi WOE: My Own Type Of Low Carb Start Date: 2/12/2005	Kevin ~ Is it better to powder the Isomalt when you are adding it to DaVinci syrup? Thanks for your help here. Also, have you noticed any spots/dots or really they are lumps of undisolved Isomalt -- on the second day after making any type of syrup? I made some the other day and it was clear, but the next day, it had some dots or spots or whatever in them and they were crunchy, so I have to think that some of the isomalt didn't dissolve and maybe I should have cooked it a bit longer or maybe powdering it first would resolve that.

10-07-2006, 03:43 PM	#23
Kevinpa Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 4,749 Gallery: Kevinpa Stats: 230/160/165 WOE: Low Carb Maintenance Start Date: May 2005	I did grind mine to a powder the first time I made it but tried it regular the 2nd time. It disolves quicker with the powder but I had no crunchy spots the next day with the granular. I use a small coffee grinder to powder mine. My food processor did not work very well.

10-07-2006, 04:06 PM	#24
SugarBabi MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,263 Gallery: SugarBabi WOE: My Own Type Of Low Carb Start Date: 2/12/2005	Thank you so much Kevin. I was thinking you had mentioned powdering the Isomalt on one of your threads, but I couldn't find it...it took me forever to find this one, but I'm a determined woman today. LOL I'm going to try powdering it next time and I agree with you, it's much better to make it as you go. After being in the fridge a few days, one of my experiments kinda stays a bit sugary (like sugar grains), but I might not have heated it up enough. I'll try it again later on.

10-07-2006, 04:28 PM	#25
LauraFL Blabbermouth!!! Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: In the clouds Posts: 7,253 Gallery: LauraFL Stats: 230.2/226.8/170 5'6.5" WOE: What day is it? scratches head	WOW!! So cool to find a "corn syrup" replacement AND a powdered sugar replacement on one thread!! Thanks Sugar for bringing this forward. I had never seen the original. Just curious but why would you refridgerate this once you make it? (Other than past cooling it off?) You don't normally store corn syrup in the fridge, so why this? My fudge recipe needs evaporated milk. Got any ideas for that Kevin?

10-07-2006, 05:13 PM	#27
LauraFL Blabbermouth!!! Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: In the clouds Posts: 7,253 Gallery: LauraFL Stats: 230.2/226.8/170 5'6.5" WOE: What day is it? scratches head	Sugar, have you tried making any of Kevin's isomalt ice cream? BOY is that stuff good! The recipe is super easy to adapt too. I made some pina colada ice cream today, or I should say, I TRIED to, but even after 1 1/2 hours in the fridge it still wouldn't firm up in the freezer. (Heavy cream might have but I like the lighter taste of the Half&Half he recommends.) That is one thing I'm finding with that recipe. The longer I refridgerate before freezing the better. But my 20 minute attempt thawed my freezer out to the point where I won't be able to try again until the morning. ICE CREAM FOR BREAKFAST!!