|08-03-2013, 11:26 AM||#1|
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Im having a really hard time trying to find the "flour mixes" ... it appears there are a few different ones. I checked out the sticky at the top, and viewd the original Fantastic Flour started by Ginaaaa but then under it, it has...
To this I add a mixture of davinci SF syrup and water or almond milk.....
and this is where i become confused. So which ingredients are for the actual flour itself, and not for the recipe that follows (if that makes sense) as im guessing vanilla WPI, or spices are for the recipe that follows, but regarding the flour mixes everyone is using now, could i please grab some advice.
I have since purchased Whey protein isolate
pea protein isolate
powdered egg whte protein
flax seed meal
gluc/ konjac flour
and iv been sifting through the kevins flour mixes, but noticed they have carbs, or include "carbalose, or carbquick" which i have no idea what these are.
im guessing to make a good flour mix, i will require some oat fiber, and some psyllium husk ....... anything else im missing? would i require resistant wheat starch or some type of gluten?
im just wanting to make a basic plain all purpose flour to be used for everything, and if required, i would add baking powder to my recipe if required - I usually use the LC foods Flour mix, and i LOVE their products, however its a bit expensive for someone who bakes daily, so i would love to imitate the flour to create my own in bulk - any ideas, suggestions, or guides to a flour mix ONLY thread - no recipes, just flour mixes and a basic description of its use. does this type of thread exist?
thank-you so much in advance - would save me sooo many hours of going through so many threads until 2:25am lol
|08-04-2013, 02:09 AM||#2|
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This is the recipe for the flour itself (the "better than flour" by Ouizoid):
A Fantastic Flour Mix-ouizoid (For ONE serving)
2 Tbs Oatfiber
2 Tbs coconut flour (60)
1 Tbs vanilla protein powder (30)
1 Tbs eggwhite powder (22)
1/2 tsp baking powder
1/2 tsp glucomannan powder
Fantastic Flour Mix X 12 (Multiplied so you can keep it on hand and use when needed)
1 1/2 cups oat fiber
1 1/2 cups coconut flour
3/4 cup protein powder
3/4 cups egg white powder
2 tbsp baking powder
2 tbsp glucommanan
I have no idea if people add more baking powder, you'll have to look at the recipes posted. I don't think it would be necessary though..
Jennifer's bake mixes:
*SPLENDID LOW-CARB BAKE MIX*
1 2/3 cups ground almonds
2/3 cup vanilla whey protein (or plain) (sweetened with sucralose, i.e. Splenda)
2/3 cup vital wheat gluten
In large tupperware-type container with lid, combine ground almonds, vanilla whey protein and vital wheat gluten. Replace lid and shake until all ingredients are well combined. This recipe may be doubled or tripled, so that one always has bake mix on hand. I keep it at room temperature in the container for months, but it may be kept in the refrigerator or freezer as well.
Nutritional Analysis: 1/3 cup
162.9 calories; 14.3 g protein; 10.3 g fat; 3.3 g carbs
Let's see, some people feel the whey proteins are too expensive. They are expensive, but last a long time, especially if one does not bake very frequently. They also keep really well for ages at room temperature.
Instead of the vanilla whey protein, unsweetened plain whey protein can be substituted, especially for savory applications. Instead of the whey, you could use coconut flour, golden flax meal, ground walnuts, Carbalose flour, oat flour, whole wheat pastry flour, soy flour (these last three have more or less the same number of carbohydrate grams) or any flour you desire.
Vital Ultimate Bake Mix
1 1/2 cups almond flour, ground almonds, OR (375 mL) ground hazelnuts, pecans or walnuts
1 cup spelt, OR all-purpose, (250 mL) whole wheat pastry flour, OR oat flour* (last two have fewer carbs)
1/2 cup vital wheat gluten (125 mL)
In medium bowl, combine ground almonds (hazelnuts, pecans or walnuts), spelt flour (all-purpose, whole wheat pastry or oat flour) and vital wheat gluten; stir well. Substitute cup-for-cup for all-purpose flour. With all bake mixes, add liquid in your own recipes very cautiously, withholding about 1/4 cup (50 mL) to 1/2 cup (125 mL) and adding it as necessary. Usually recipes require the former amount.
Yield: 3 cups (750 mL)
1/4 cup with spelt:
139.5 calories; 8.2 g protein, 8.0 g fat; 8.4 g carbs
1/4 with whole wheat pastry flour:
131.4 calories, 7.8 g protein, 7.9 g fat, 6.9 g carbs.
with oat flour:
136.5 calories, 8.1 g protein, 8.3 g fat, 6.1 g carbs.
Vital Ultimate Bake Mix with all-purpose flour:
144.1 calories, 7.9 g protein, 7.9 g fat, 9.7 g carbs.
Helpful Hints: The ground almonds, all-purpose flour and vital wheat gluten combination in Vital Ultimate Bake Mix is very similar to regular baking and often better, producing lovely, moist, delicate-textured baked goods and is particularly useful for cakes that require a tender crumb texture. Spelt flour (a complex carbohydrate flour, not biologically related to wheat flour, but with about the same carbohydrate content) will be almost as good in such instances.
SPLENDID GLUTEN-FREE BAKE MIX
12/3 cups almond flour (400 mL)
3/4 cup certified gluten-free oat flour (175 ml)
2 tbsp sifted coconut flour, (30 mL)
3/4 tsp xanthan gum (3 mL)
In large bowl, combine almond flour, oat flour, coconut flour and xanthan gum. In container with airtight lid, place bake mix and shake the container well to combine. Keep bake mix at room temperature for up to one month or freeze for much longer storage.
Instructions: Add 1/4 cup (60 mL) additional bake mix when substituting for 1 cup or more than 1 cup flour in recipes and use 2 tbsp more if substituting for less than 1 cup. Always begin by adding an extra egg in muffins, loaves, cakes and coffee cakes, except for cookies and except if bake mix required is less than or equal to 1 cup. Withhold a quarter of the liquid/wet/fat ingredients; add in as needed. If batter after processing at least a minute is still too thick, add more of the liquid ingredients and if accidentally the batter ends up too sloppy, then add a little more bake mix. If all the liquid has been used and the batter is still too stiff, add another egg and another if necessary. Baking experience is helpful.
Helpful Hints: Great in muffins, loaves (with eggs!), cookies, squares or bars, coffee cakes, many cakes, pie crusts and a few other specialized applications, but will not be suitable for all applications, nor for most yeast applications. Xanthan gum has gluten-like properties, binding ingredients together to prevent crumbly outcomes.
My Alternate Bake Mixes (not gluten-free): When substituting the Splendid Gluten-Free bake mix for some of my other bake mixes, 2 tbsp (30 mL) to 1/4 cup (60 mL) more bake mix may be required depending on if one is replacing less than 1 cup (250 mL) or 1 cup (250 mL) or more (last 2, latter amount). Follow the same rules above. It is convenient to double or triple this bake mix. See blog post on this recipe for more information or updates: low-carb-news.blogspot.com
Yield: 21/2 cups
1/4 cup per serving
4.5 g protein
8.9 g fat
5.7 g carbs
Kevin's bake mixes
Kevins LC Cake or Cookie Flour mix
1/2 cup carbquik
1/4 cup wheat protein isolate 5000
1 Tbs wheat protein isolate 8000
1/8 cup almond flour
1 Tbs resistant wheat starch 75
1 tsp not/Sugar
I actually multiplied this by 8 to yeild me just slightly over 8 cups.
8 cups mix
4 cups Carbquik
2 cups WPI 5000
1/2 cup WPI 8000
1 cup Almond Flour
1/2 cup Resistant Wheat Starch 75
2 3/4 Tbsp. not/Sugar
That's Kevin's recipe multiplied by 8 and just over 8 cups yield.
9 T carbquick or carbalose
4 T + 2 tsp wheat protein isolate 5000
1 T + 1/2 tsp wheat protein isolate 8000
1 T + 1/2 tsp resistant wheat starch
1 tsp not/sugar
The carbalose mix is 12 carbs per cup and the carbquik mix is 9 carbs per cup. In 99% of my recipes I state which version I am using.
I think all these mixes have good reviews on the forums. The first one is the one that's most popular at the moment I believe. It's the newest.
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|08-04-2013, 02:10 AM||#3|
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|08-04-2013, 07:26 AM||#5|
Thanks for all the mixes in 1 place I put them on the" old recipes for newbies" thread. Thanks
Blondy can you eat wheat products? Kevins are wonderful and I used them and loved them. But I'm allergic to almost all grains.
You also may want to propose the question to other friends. What they are using for the egg white powder. Some are using Now brand egg white powder for the egg whites in Ouizoid BTF mix. Because of price. I don't think there is a difference but I don't know.To me this flour mix is so close to an everything flour. We made many different foods with this mix.
I also loved , loved Jen's Gluten free mixes. You can make just about any food with them too.
I have found that glucomannan added to any flour mix helps make it very lite and fluffy.
May we all live our life as long as we want!
Last edited by rosethorns; 08-04-2013 at 07:36 AM..
|08-04-2013, 02:34 PM||#7|
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I'll add that many of us use at more than one of these mixes depending on what we are making. Sadly, it just doesn't work to universally substitute one of these mixes for all-purpose flour into standard recipes. . . converting recipes is tough (at least for me) and I've had much better luck using recipes I've found here from people that have more experience from me.
Right now I use the BTF mix for sweet and savory applications where I want a lighter, fluffier result with a fairly big crumb--and the least amount of carbs. There are a zillion fun, quick recipes for this one that I have enjoyed trying, and the mix is very forgiving.
I use Jennifer's mixes when I can afford the carbs (I like the "vital" mix the best) and want a denser result with smaller crumb. Jennifer's lower carb blends are also very good and I wouldn't hesitate to use them either! Her recipes are all well tested and she has a good formula (see her site) for interchanging the blends.
Kevin's mixes are for special occasions in my world -- I think they best replicate high-carb texture, but they have the most carbs and use ingredients that I don't keep a lot of on hand these days. Some of his recipes use sweeteners and additives (isomalt, poly-d) that many of us have given up on because of the tummy issues with them, so there's a little experimentation involved.
For some recipes, you'll add a little "extra" of the "flour," leavening, etc. to the mix ingredients to make the recipe work. There's no real hard and fast rule here on that. So if you see a recipe that says 3c. BTF mix on one line and then 1/4 c. unflavored whey protein, well, that recipe just need a little more protein powder to make it work.
Last but not least, there's Carbquick, the commercial lowcarb version of bisquick. If you're eating grain free, this is out. Some folks don't like the taste of this stuff. I admit it's acquired, but I don't mind it so much. When I was first starting out, this saved me from failure. Everything you need to make basic stuff (biscuits, waffles, pancakes, etc.) in a big retro yellow box. It's commercialized and over-processed and evil in so many ways, but I used to eat things like that multiple times a day, so at the time it didn't seem so bad.
Hope this helps a little! Happy baking!
|08-05-2013, 04:24 AM||#8|
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Also, in the Fantastic Flour Mix, some of us use 1/2 blanched almond flour and 1/2 coconut flour for the all coconut flour portion, or even all almond flour (depending on your taste). Instead of vanilla protein powder, you can use unflavored in case you want to make a savory version of something.
It's a very versatile recipe. In the Big Batch thread at the top, there are posts with notes, which are people's tweaks of the original. It's a much shorter thread than the original one, more consolidated.
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|08-08-2013, 05:28 AM||#13|
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|08-08-2013, 05:42 AM||#14|
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I've heard a lot of folks say that they like the LC foods flours. the ingredient list reads like some of the mixes that Kevinpa made and that Jena-Marie used to use. I used to keep those mixes made up for when I wanted to do pie crusts and sourdough bread and they worked really well. Here's the LC foods ingredient list for a couple of their white bread flours:
Wheat protein isolates, resistant wheat starches, flax seed
meal, vital wheat gluten, Inulin (chicory root) fiber, digestion resistant
polydextrose fiber, baking powder, salt, organic stevia rebaudiana leaf, natural
luo han guo monk fruit, natural color titanium dioxide & natural enzymes.
I don't have gluten issues, so I might just try going back to some of those old flour blends and use this ingredient list to see what I can come up with.
|08-08-2013, 03:19 PM||#16|
I think I would use Chicken Lady's Almond Fudge cake recipe and add some ginger to it. Just a thought.
|08-12-2013, 02:09 PM||#17|
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|08-14-2013, 12:53 AM||#18|
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Thank-you, thank-you, thank-you !!
|08-14-2013, 01:11 AM||#19|
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thank-you for the response and advice. I couldnt agree with you more regarding the different flour mixes for different uses. I have been using LC Foods flours for a while now - they taste great, just a little expensive, but i was analyzing the ingredients to make my own big batch, and realized the ingredients across all the flours - (cake flour, pasta flour, cookie/pastry flour, bread flour) all have the same basic ingredients however the ratio of protein isolate must be different in each in order to achieve the best baking result for the flours purpose.
I tried to sub cake flour to make cookies - that failed. I attempted to make cookies with pasta flour - that failed LOL so i have definatley learnt that even the tiniest little "tweak" to a flour can certainly change the flour completley for a completely different use. I just have to start experimenting as to which ingredient does what.
Also thanks for providing some information and light in regards to carbquik / bisquik ... it sounds like really good stuff, but i think im more about keeping those carb numbers as low as possible. I cant wait to start experimenting with all these mixes. I just had my purchases from netrition all consolidated before being forwarding to myself here in australia - over $500 worth of LC flours, fibers, sauces, syrups etc ... should last me a while im hoping, as i wont be able to afford to do this again for a while hahaha.
- Sadly, whilst on a MAD baking spree with my last order, i have broken my blender, my hand-mixer died on me, my bench-top mixer gears got jammed (my fault, as i was holding bub while using the scraper on the edge and the scraper lodged between the beaters), my stick mixer no longer works either, and my electric fripan power surged so i cant use that anymore either.... talk about bad luck... i supposed it serves me right for buying cheap kmart appliances LOL