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locarbman 02-26-2012 02:33 PM

The ‘easiest’ way to mix Sucralose powder and Neotame powder solutions! ;-)
 
  • First - Determine the volume of solution you wish to prepare.
  • Second - Calculate the number of ¼ teaspoons in this amount of solution.
  • Third - Use the powder/sugar equivalence charts below to determine the teaspoons of powder necessary to provide the number of cups sugar equivalence that equal the number of ¼ teaspoons in the amount of solution you wish to prepare.
  • Fourth - liquid may be ‘hot’ water or ‘cool’ Vegetable Glycerine. Water solutions require refrigeration. Vegetable Glycerine (a natural preservative with anti-bacterial properties) solutions do not require refrigeration. ;-)
Teaspoons Sucralose Powder = Cups Sugar Equivalence:
Tsps.......Cups
1oz.........171.25
1t..........12.50
1/2t.........6.25
1/4t.........3.13
1/8t.........1.56
1/16t........0.78
1/32t........0.39
1/64t........0.20
1/128t......0.10
1/256t......0.05
1/512t......0.02

As there are 42 (¼ teaspoons) in 3.5 tablespoons of my water solution (3.5Tablespoons * 3teaspoons * 4(¼ teaspoons)), and I desire a solution that will provide 1 cup sugar equivalence per ¼ teaspoon of solution (similar to Liquid Sucralose ;-), I used 3 + 1/4th + 1/8th teaspoons Sucralose Powder (equals 42.19 cups sugar equivalence per the above chart) with 3.5 Tablespoons 'hot' water for a solution strength of 192 times sugar, ¼th teaspoon solution = 1 cup sugar equivalence.

Teaspoons Neotame Powder = Cups Sugar Equivalence:
Tsps........Cups
1oz.......2,283.33
1t.........166.67
1/2t........83.33
1/4t........41.67
1/8t........20.83
1/16t......10.42
1/32t........5.21
1/64t.........2.6
1/128t.......1.3
1/256t.......0.65
1/512t.......0.33

As there are 168 (¼ teaspoons) in 7 fluid ounces of my Vegetable Glycerine solution (7floz * 2Tablespoons * 3teaspoons * 4(¼th teaspoons)), and I desire a solution that will provide 1 cup sugar equivalence per ¼ teaspoon of solution (similar to Liquid Sucralose ;-), I used 1 teaspoon Neotame Powder (equals 166.67 cups sugar equivalence per the above chart) with 7 fluid ounces 'cool' Vegetable Glycerine for a solution strength of 192 times sugar, ¼ th teaspoon solution = 1 cup sugar equivalence.

Hope this helps, easy math! locarbman… ;-)

rosethorns 02-26-2012 04:02 PM

OM Goodness Locarbman . Hi.

This is better than anything I've seen. Thanks so much I need this to hold onto.
I just ordered some powders.

CreekWatcher 02-26-2012 07:24 PM

locarbman, the liquid sucralose you're talking about is the small-bottle version of EZ Sweetz, where 1 drop tends to equal 2 tsp. of sugar?

locarbman 02-26-2012 08:59 PM

Hi CW ;-)

The Liquid Sucralose I refer to is the maximum strength one can create when excess Sucralose Powder no longer enters solution, 26 grams per 100 milliliters of water for a strength of 192 times sugar, referenced to you in post #71 of this thread:

http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/lo...newtame-3.html

Per my Sucralose Refractometer Testing Results (unfortunately removed by LCF when they decided to terminate Blog hosting) EZ-sweetz small bottle tested at 25 grams per 100 milliliters for a strength of 185 times sugar. Sweetzfree claimed 26 grams per 100 milliliters but tested at 24.7 grams per 100 milliliters for a strength of 183 times sugar. Commercial solution strengths may vary within production limits.

I created the maximum Liquid Sucralose strength by adding excess Sucralose powder to 370ml water which tested at 26 grams per 100 mililiters for a strength of 192 time sugar when excess powder no longer entered solution.

The above chart is calculated on the basis of Sucralose powder at a strength of 600 times sugar to create the maximum strength solution where 1 teaspoon powder is equal to 600 teaspoons sugar for a maximum solution strength of 192 times sugar.

Hope this helps...just trying to keep this thread simple...lol...locarbman...;-)

CreekWatcher 02-26-2012 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by locarbman (Post 15448133)
Hi CW ;-)

The Liquid Sucralose I refer to is the maximum strength one can create when excess Sucralose Powder no longer enters solution, 26 grams per 100 milliliters of water for a strength of 192 times sugar, referenced to you in post #71 of this thread:

http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/lo...newtame-3.html

Per my Sucralose Refractometer Testing Results (unfortunately removed by LCF when they decided to terminate Blog hosting) EZ-sweetz small bottle tested at 25 grams per 100 milliliters for a strength of 185 times sugar. Sweetzfree claimed 26 grams per 100 milliliters but tested at 24.7 grams per 100 milliliters for a strength of 183 times sugar. Commercial solution strengths may vary within production limits.

I created the maximum Liquid Sucralose strength by adding excess Sucralose powder to 370ml water which tested at 26 grams per 100 mililiters for a strength of 192 time sugar when excess powder no longer entered solution.

The above chart is calculated on the basis of Sucralose powder at a strength of 600 times sugar to create the maximum strength solution where 1 teaspoon powder is equal to 600 teaspoons sugar for a maximum solution strength of 192 times sugar.

Hope this helps...just trying to keep this thread simple...lol...locarbman...;-)

Yeah and I'm not helping.

Thanks!

sistertzu 02-27-2012 08:27 AM

Thanks for all the info!

I purchased 4oz of sucralose powder, it's going to last forever! I mix 3 tablespoons warm water and one tablespoon powder then put it in 3, 1/2 oz dropper bottles, one bottle last me around a month. Thank you so much for this most inexpensive option. I want to order some neotame (newtame) have you given a taste and use review anywhere? So I would use one teaspoon in 7oz of water or glycerin for 1/4 teaspoon to be 1 cup sweetening power? I will probably cut the measurements in half to keep the solution fresh.

SCOTTSDALEJULIE 02-27-2012 10:33 AM

Wow, haven't heard from locarbman for awhile. Just saying welcome back. :hiya:

locarbman 02-28-2012 07:16 AM

CW, It's my fault, my 'simple' answer should have been YES! ;-)

Hi Sis ;-) You will find several reviews of Neotame in this thread:

http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/lo...n-newtame.html

"So I would use one teaspoon in 7oz of water or glycerin for 1/4 teaspoon to be 1 cup sweetening power?"
YES! ;-)

"I will probably cut the measurements in half to keep the solution fresh."
This is the 'beauty' of this approach, you can create your solutions in any volume you wish!

Hi back atcha Julie...been pretty busy caring for my Auntie Esther...just turned 96 and is getting pretty close to her passage to Heaven...unable to get out of bed for the past month...but is still in great spirits...she's a DOLL! ;-)

PS: Neotame powder is currently available on-line at EBAY ;-)

SCOTTSDALEJULIE 02-28-2012 10:00 AM

Boy, LoCarb man, I know just what you are going through. My mom was with us for 9 months. She, too, was 96. She passed away July 2. Thank God, she has you to take care of her.

tulipsandroses 02-28-2012 10:36 AM

Hmm, I never thought of making my own before. I am going to give this a try.

sistertzu 02-28-2012 11:02 AM

Thank you, such a wealth of info! The cost is $39 an ounce plus shipping now, I'm so excited!!!

rosethorns 02-28-2012 11:46 AM

Wow locarbman how is your Auntie Esther. Lovely name by the way.

Good for 96 and still going. Way cool. She sounds like a gem.

spoiltmomof2 10-29-2012 10:54 AM

My math sucks at times and this is one of those times.

Is this correct:

1/8 tsp of Neotame mixed with 7 oz water or glycerin would make 1/4 tsp of solution equal to 1/8 cups of sugar? Or is that totally wrong?

I'm wanting a 1/4 tsp of final solution to equal an 1/8 cup of sugar or less. It will be easier to sweeten coffee this way.

locarbman 10-29-2012 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spoiltmomof2 (Post 16044886)
My math sucks at times and this is one of those times.

Is this correct:

1/8 tsp of Neotame mixed with 7 oz water or glycerin would make 1/4 tsp of solution equal to 1/8 cups of sugar? Or is that totally wrong?

I'm wanting a 1/4 tsp of final solution to equal an 1/8 cup of sugar or less. It will be easier to sweeten coffee this way.

Hi spoiltmomof2,

Yes ;-)

Given: 7 Fluid ounces of solution = 168 ¼ teaspoons and you desire 1/8 cup (6t) sugar equivalence per 1/4t solution then you would require 168 * 1/8 cups or 19.75 (168/8) cups of sugar equivalence. 1/8th teaspoon Neotame Powder = 20.83 cups (per the chart) which is a "bit more" but is the closest you can come to 19.75 cups without working with very small spoons.

Way to go....your math is OK!

locarbman... ;-)

spoiltmomof2 10-31-2012 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by locarbman (Post 16045063)
Hi spoiltmomof2,

Yes ;-)

Given: 7 Fluid ounces of solution = 168 ¼ teaspoons and you desire 1/8 cup (6t) sugar equivalence per 1/4t solution then you would require 168 * 1/8 cups or 19.75 (168/8) cups of sugar equivalence. 1/8th teaspoon Neotame Powder = 20.83 cups (per the chart) which is a "bit more" but is the closest you can come to 19.75 cups without working with very small spoons.

Way to go....your math is OK!

locarbman... ;-)


I guess those college math courses helped me afterall. Lol

locarbman 11-01-2012 04:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spoiltmomof2 (Post 16050486)
I guess those college math courses helped me afterall. Lol

Ahhh yes...those wonderful college math courses!!! ;-)

As precision is our quest, you may achieve your desired strength of 6 teaspoons sugar equivalence per ¼ teaspoon solution by adding 2 plus 1/16 teaspoons water or glycerine to your solution.

How much liquid do we need to add to 7 fluid ounces solvent mixed with 1/8 teaspoon Neotame Powder for a solution yielding 6 teaspoons sugar equivalence per ¼ teaspoon solution?

1/8t Neotame Powder yields 20.83c sugar equivalence (per chart).
7floz Solution requires 19.75c sugar equivalence (desired strength of solution)
20.83c – 19.75c = 1.08c (51.84t) excess sugar equivalence
51.84t / 6t (per 1/4t solution) = 8.64 (1/4t) or 2.16t solvent to be added to 7floz (to achieve desired strength of solution)

Enjoy your Neotame sweetener!

locarbman.. ;-)

spoiltmomof2 12-29-2012 10:56 AM

Okay what am I doing wrong? I've mixed this up several times and it tastes "off" every time. It just doesn't taste like Splenda or EZsweetz. I am mixing it with just water. Should I try a glycerine/water mixture instead?

OleHB 11-18-2013 04:50 AM

Hello!

I am from germany, so my english may not very well. Sorry! I hope, i am understandable.

I was searching for a way to mix my own liquid sucralose solution and the threads here at lowcarbfriends are top-listed and very helpful! I have found shops for pure sucralose powder in europe and made a solution with 26 gram sucralose powder and 100 gram water.
For neotame powder i don't see a shop in europe, so till now i don't have made a neotame solution (but want to do it in the future).

So ... i have used the solution and it taste good, i am happy!
But ... i have problems with calculations. Teaspoons and cups are strange/weird for me.

Some questions:

1. 26 gram sucralos and 100 gram water makes a solution strength of 192 times sugar. This means: 1 gram solution is equal to 192 gram sugar - right?

2. I use this solution for tea cups. Strength with 192 is to heavy for this. I have mixed 20 gram solution and another 20 gram water. One drop of this solution is fine for me for a cup of tea. The strenght of this solution is about a half: 192:2=96? Means 1 gram solution is equal to 96 gram sugar?

3. What is the way to calculate the strenght of a solution?

The strenght of sucralose is 600 in comparison to sugar.
So ... 1 gram sucralose and 100 gram water means 600:100=6
So the strenght of the solution is 6 and 1 gram of the solution is equal to 6 gram sugar? But this means: 26 gram sucralose in 100 gram water has a strength of 156 [6x26=156] and not 192

Can someone help me to understand this?

CarolynF 11-18-2013 05:48 AM

Hi..:)

You must be a math whiz..

Honestly, I can't help you and hopefully locarbman will chime in. However, what I have found with "sweeteners" is each to his own taste. So, like you are doing, experiment
with how sweet you like things.

I use a premade liquid Splenda from ebay and one drop is good for tea for me. With baked goods, I just squirt a bunch of drops and then taste it.

Nice to have you here...Maybe locarbman will chime in.

rosethorns 11-18-2013 07:11 AM

Welcome
I'm so sorry but I get confused with all of this math.
Here is a simple formula that we came up with........
1 T. of pure sucralose powder to 3 T. of filtered water= 1/4 tsp. makes 1 cup of sweetening power
1 drop equals 1 1/2 teaspoons of sweetening...........

if you have a smaller bottle 1 tsp. sucralose powder to 1 T. filtered water

I'm sorry Tablespoons are confusing to you. Let me weigh this.1 T.sucralose powder =12 grams

We are not helping you. Locarbman will come in he knows all of this math . He is great.

locarbman 11-18-2013 08:14 AM

Hi OleHB,

Welcome to lowcarb Friends!

Hope I can be of some help... ;-)

This thread is based upon volume relationships (teaspoons, cups, or milliliters) which are different from weight relationships (ounces, pounds, or grams) and sweetness equivalence of solution (not gram weight) of sugar.

But ... i have problems with calculations. Teaspoons and cups are strange/weird for me.

Per the volume conversion site:

1 Teaspoon [US] = 4.928 921 593 8 milliliter
1 Cup [US] = 236.588 236 5 milliliter

1. 26 gram sucralos and 100 gram water makes a solution strength of 192 times sugar. This means: 1 gram solution is equal to 192 gram sugar - right?

No, this formula should be:

26 grams Sucralose and 100 grams (or milliliters, 1g = 1ml) water makes a solution strength of 192 times sugar. This means: 4.9 milliliters solution is equal to 940.8 milliliters sugar equivalence (192 * 4.9 milliliters sugar equivalence) not 192 grams of sugar by weight.

Here are my sample calculations which may be of some help:

Splenda/Sucralose Refractometer Testing Results ;-)

Objective:

To determine the 'actual strength' of currently available commercial Liquid Sucralose Products and member solutions (created with the now, commercially available Sucralose powder ;-) using the new MISCO Splenda/Sucralose Refractometer. Then, to compare these test results to those obtained by calculating results based upon Label and/or Website claims.

Testing Caveats:

1 - Sample solutions may evaporate over time yielding a slightly stronger strength (ie: My 2oz Quick Sweet Powdered Sucralose 25% w/v solution (several weeks old and refrigerated).

Methodology:

1-2 drops solution to be placed on the MISCO Splenda/Sucralose Refractometer, Sucralose scale readings to be recorded on (3 consecutive days).

The resulting Sucralose scale readings indicate the percent of Sucralose powder by weight (grams per 100 milliliters of water).

TESTS:

1 – Locarbman's ‘Quick Sweet Sucralose powder 25% w/v solution’ (2oz container Quick Sweet Sucralose powder in 1 cup less 2t water): (Price per 2oz Sucralose powder = $38)
Ingredients: Tap water, pure Sucralose.
Label: (no label, homemade ;-)
Reference Website:"Quick Sweet Powder 1oz. = 35 lb. of Sugar, NET WT 2oz (56.7g), Serving Size 20mg, Servings per Container: about 2840 Zero Calorie • 600 times as sweet as sugar • Safe for cooking"

Website Results: Grams = 25, Milliliters = 100, Strength = 185 times sugar

2/20/2009 (Prepared ~3 weeks ago, Refrigerated)

Test Results: Grams = 25, Milliliters = 100, Strength = 184.844 times sugar

Price per 1 cup Sugar Equivalence = $0.21

2 - Locarbman's Old Standby (1/2oz Sucralose powder per 1 cup water): (purchased ~20oz from Best Body Products 2002-03 (no longer available) for $28 per ounce ;-)
Ingredients: Tap water, pure sucralose powder.
Label: (no label, homemade ;-)
Reference Website: N/A

2/20/2009 (Prepared ~3 months ago, Refrigerated)

Test Results: Grams = 9.7, Milliliters = 100, Strength = 71.719 times sugar (1.5 cups sugar equivalence per teaspoon, I finally know the real strength of this solution...lol)

Price for 1 cup Sugar Equivalence = $0.39

NOTE: I combined the above two locarbman solutions (370ml) and added Sucralose powder to achieve the maximum strength possible. It was 26 grams per 100ml water when excess Sucralose powder no longer went into solution...

DEFINITIONS (Results):

Grams = the number of grams Sucralose powder per 100 milliliters of the sample solution.

Milliliters = the volume of liquid used in a % gram weight/volume solution.

Strength = the volume measure of solution to the same volume measure of sugar equivalence (ie: a strength of 185 means 1 teaspoon of solution is equal to 185 teaspoons sugar equivalence).


SAMPLE CALCULATIONS:

Given Strength (ie: a liquid Sucralose solution at a strength of 185 times sugar):

1 – Determine Cups of sugar equivalence per 100ml of solution. A strength of 185 means there are 185 cups of sugar equivalence in 236.6ml (1 cup) solution. Use a ratio: 185c is to 236.6ml as Xc is to 100ml; Xc=185*100/236.6; Xc=78.19 cups of sugar equivalence per 100ml of solution.

2 – Determine Teaspoons sugar equivalence per 100ml of solution. Multiply Cups per 100ml by 48t/cup. 78.19c*48t/c=3753 teaspoons of sugar equivalence per 100ml of solution.

3 – Determine gram weight of sugar equivalence per 100ml of solution. Divide teaspoons of sugar equivalence by .25 grams per teaspoon granulated sugar. 3753tseq/.25g/tgransug = 15013 grams granulated sugar equivalence per 100ml of solution.

4 – Determine grams of sucralose powder to mix in 100ml water for a 185 strength solution. Divide grams sugar by 600 (strength of sucralose powder). 15013gsugar/600=25grams Sucralose powder to mix in 100ml water for a 185 strength solution.

Given Volume to Sugar Relationship (ie: 1 fluid ounce = 24 cups sugar):

1 – Determine cups of suger equivalence per 100 milliliter of solution.

Per the volume conversion chart, 1floz=29.57ml. Use a ratio: 24c is to 29.57ml as Xc is to 100ml; Xc=24*100/29.57; Xc=81 cups of sugar equivalence per 100 milliliter of solution.

2 – Determine Teaspoons sugar equivalence per 100ml of solution.

Multiply Cups per 100ml by 48t/cup. 81c*48t/c=3888 teaspoons of sugar equivalence per 100ml of solution.

3 – Determine gram weight of sugar equivalence per 100ml of solution.

Divide teaspoons of sugar equivalence by .25 grams per teaspoon granulated sugar. 3888tseq/.25g/tgransug = 15552 grams granulated sugar equivalence per 100ml of solution.

4 – Determine grams of sucralose powder to be mixed in 100ml water.

Divide grams sugar by 600 (strength of sucralose powder). 15552gsugar/600=26grams Sucralose powder mixed in 100ml water.

5 – Determine Strength of this solution.

Use a ratio 81c is to 100ml as Xc is to 236.6ml; Xc=81*236.6/100; Xc=192 cups sugar equivalence per 1 cup solution for a Strength of 192 times sugar.

Calculation Aids:
Online Conversion - Convert just about anything to anything else

Hope this helps and will be happy to discuss further if you have more questions...Ich var eine soldat nach Frankfurt, zwie jahr... ;-)

Locarbman... ;-)

PS: Thanks Carolyn & Esther! I'm Chiming in...LOL!

Soobee 11-18-2013 09:23 AM

Thank god you answered, Locarbman. I read the questions this morning, but as the answers involved complicated MATH, I decided to wait for someone more knowledgeable.

CarolynF 11-18-2013 12:47 PM

What great help you are, Locarbman..So nice to see you!!!

rosethorns 11-19-2013 07:44 AM

Thanks LOCARBMAN. You are awesome. I still can't understand all that math.

I'm reading all of this and still have trouble.

kalatraza 11-19-2013 05:07 PM

What we really want to know: does LOCARBMAN wear a cape, superhero style??

Soobee 11-19-2013 05:18 PM

He ought to.

OleHB 11-20-2013 07:08 AM

Sieh an, Soldat in Frankfurt für zwei Jahre :) Nice. Probably a long time ago ...

Well, o.k.: cups, teaspoons and tablespoons are volume units not weight units. ounces and pounds are weight units. good to understand
1 cup [US] = 236.588 gram/milliliter
1 cup sugar [US] = 225.01 gram
1 Tablespoon [US] = 14.787 gram/milliliter
1 teaspoon [US] = 4.929 gram/milliliter
1 ounce [US, liquid] = 29.574 gram/milliliter
1 ounce oz [weight] = 28.35 gram/milliliter
ounce=oz gram=g/gr milliliter=ml Teaspoon=tsp/t
1 Teaspoon [US] = 0.020833333 Cup [US] and 1 Cup [US] = 48 Teaspoon [US]

For sugar i found: 1 cup = 225.01 Gramm sugar

1. Converting existing recipes: sucralose solution = sugar equivalence
I have an existing recipe with sugar. I want to use the sucralose solution instead. How much solution i need, how to convert?

Strength of 192 means: 4.9 milliliters solution is equal to 940.8 milliliters sugar equivalence (192 * 4.9 milliliters sugar equivalence)
Means: 4,929 milliliter/gram solution = 946,368 milliliter/gram sugar equivalence [4,929*192=946,368]
Means 1 milliliter/gram solution = 192 milliliter/gram sugar equivalence [4,929:4,929=1 and 946,368:4,929=192]

O.k. When i have a recipe with 192 gram sugar i can use 1 gram solution.
Its not the same taste - like CarolynF says and i agree with this - but a good starting point for conversion existing recipes with grams units.

2. mixing own solutions to a given strenght

When i want to know, how much gram i have to mix with 100 ml water, when i want a given strenght: i have to go the following steps:
185 is the given strenght and 600 is the sugar equivalence of sucralose

1. 185:236,588*100=78,195
2. 78,195*48=3753,36
3. 3753,36:0,25=15013,44
4. 15013,44:600=25,0224

-> i have to mix 25,0224 gram sucralose powder with 100 ml water when i want a strengt of 185
1 cup = 236,588 ml and 100 ml water. 1 cup = 48 teaspoons. 1 g = 0,25 teaspoons? sucralose = 600 sugar equivalence

1. 192:236,588*100=81,1537
2. 81,1537*48=3895,379
3. 3895,379:0,25=15581,517
4. 15581,517:600=25,9691

When i want a different strenght i have to replace 185/192.
When i use this equation for example for neotame, i have to replace the sugar equivalence unit [instead 600 for example 8000]
When i want more or less water, i have to change 100 ml

O.k. i understood all steps except in step: 3 – Determine gram weight of sugar equivalence per 100ml of solution.
Why .25 grams per teaspoon granulated sugar? Is this because of: 1 gram = 0.203 teaspoon [US]?


I'm sorry, that i am so persevering. I only want to understand this equation. When i understand the equation, i can change and use it with other substances and strenghts

locarbman 11-20-2013 06:00 PM

Hi again ;-)

I have highlighted your post and unhighlighted my responses..

Sieh an, Soldat in Frankfurt für zwei Jahre Nice. Probably a long time ago ...

Yes, I served as Executive Officer and Commander of the 2nd Battalion 27th Field Artillery unit in Friedberg 1970>1972. Enjoyed “The Passion Play” in 1970 at Oberamergau... ;-)

Well, o.k.: cups, teaspoons and tablespoons are volume units not weight units. ounces and pounds are weight units. good to understand
1 cup [US] = 236.588 gram/milliliter (Water only) Agree!
1 cup sugar [US] = 225.01 gram See below
1 Tablespoon [US] = 14.787 gram/milliliter (Water only) Agree!
1 teaspoon [US] = 4.929 gram/milliliter (Water only) Agree!
1 ounce [US, liquid] = 29.574 gram/milliliter (Water only) Agree!
1 ounce oz [weight] = 28.35 gram (/milliliter No if not water) Agree!
ounce=oz gram=g/gr milliliter=ml Teaspoon=tsp/t
1 Teaspoon [US] = 0.020833333 Cup [US] and 1 Cup [US] = 48 Teaspoon [US] Agree!

For sugar i found [at sugar conv] following: 1 cup = 225.01 Gramm sugar No, See below

For Sugar I use Online Conversion - Weight to Volume Cooking Conversion
1 cup Sugar, granulated [US] = 200 grams
1 Tablespoon Sugar, granulated [US] = 12.5 grams
1 teaspoon Sugar, granulated [US] = 4.167 grams
1 gram Sugar, granulated = 0.25 teaspoons [US] (2009 value, now shows 0.24 teaspoons [US] ;-)

For Water, bottled, generic 1 cup [US] = 237 grams/milliliter

Note that for water solutions 1 gram water is equal to 1 milliliter water, however this equivalence does not apply to other solutes such as Vegetable Glycerine.

1. Converting existing recipes: sucralose solution = sugar equivalence
I have an existing recipe with sugar. I want to use the sucralose solution instead. How much solution i need, how to convert?

Using your 26% Liquid Sucralose solution, you would replace recipe sugar values using the relationship of ¼ teaspoon solution is equivalent to 1 cup of (recipe) sugar volume equivalence. You may also use the Sucralose Powder sugar equivalents (see chart in post #1) to replace recipe sugar volume requirements with only Sucralose Powder (no water ;-).

Strength of 192 means: 4.9 milliliters solution is equal to 940.8 milliliters sugar equivalence (192 * 4.9 milliliters sugar equivalence) Agree!
Means: 4,929 milliliter/gram solution = 946,368 milliliter/gram sugar equivalence [4,929*192=946,368] Agree!
Yes! Any volume of Liquid Sucralose 26%w/v solution will contain 192 times that volume of sugar equivalence!.

Means 1 milliliter/gram solution = 192 milliliter/gram sugar equivalence [4,929:4,929=1 and 946,368:4,929=192] Agree!
Note that ‘milliliter/gram’ applies to your Sucralose/Water solution only (for water 1 gram = 1 milliliter) and does not apply to recipe sugar equivalences which uses milliliters only.

O.k. When i have a recipe with 192 gram sugar i can use 1 gram solution. No, see below
Its not the same taste - like CarolynF says and i agree with this - but a good starting point for conversion existing recipes with grams units.

Your problem is you are using a weight value for your sugar equivalence which should be converted to a volume value! 192g * .25t/g = 48t sugar equivalence (or 1 cup sugar equivalence for 192g recipe sugar.

2. mixing own solutions to a given strength

Most of us address this issue by varying the amount of 26% solution used (ie: using a smaller amount or number of drops solution to taste)

When i want to know, how much gram i have to mix with 100 ml water, when i want a given strenght: i have to go the following steps:
185 is the given strenght and 600 is the sugar equivalence of sucralose

1. 185:236,588*100=78,195
2. 78,195*48=3753,36
3. 3753,36:0,25=15013,44
4. 15013,44:600=25,0224

-> i have to mix 25,0224 gram sucralose powder with 100 ml water when i want a strengt of 185
1 cup = 236,588 ml and 100 ml water. 1 cup = 48 teaspoons. 1 g = 0,25 teaspoons? sucralose = 600 sugar equivalence

1. 192:236,588*100=81,1537
2. 81,1537*48=3895,379
3. 3895,379:0,25=15581,517
4. 15581,517:600=25,9691

When i want a different strenght i have to replace 185/192.
When i use this equation for example for neotame, i have to replace the sugar equivalence unit [instead 600 for example 8000]
When i want more or less water, i have to change 100 ml

O.k. i understood all steps except in step: 3 – Determine gram weight of sugar equivalence per 100ml of solution.
Why .25 grams per teaspoon granulated sugar? Is this because of: 1 gram = 0.203 teaspoon [US]? No, because 1 teaspoon Sugar granulated is equal to .25 grams.

Step 3: Per onlineconversion.com 1 teaspoon Sugar granulated is equal to .25 grams. Dividing teaspoons of sugar equivalence (volume) by .25 grams per teaspoon (weight) converts sugar equivalence (volume) to sugar equivalence (weight) of Sugar granulated. and can be used in reverse to convert recipe sugar weights to sugar equivalents of volume.


I'm sorry, that i am so persevering. I only want to understand this equation. When i understand the equation, i can change and use it with other substances and strenghts

LOL! No problem! Just hope this helps...Have Fun! ;-)

Locarbman... ;-)

rosethorns 11-20-2013 08:00 PM

Thank You Lowcarbman for your Service. Wow you were ranked very high .

Xexist 11-20-2013 11:41 PM

Locarbman! Long time no see. In another Neotame thread you answered questions of mine previously, and I have finally purchased Neotame (from the same source you got it I believe, AHFI?)

In any case, I am waiting for it to come in the mail.

I see water / vegetable glycerine seems to be the prefered method of mixing the solution. Have you noticed any 'shelf life' when mixing it with water, because I dont know where the heck to find the vegetable glycering.

I also saw mention by someone in another thread that they used a vodka solution. I wondered on your thoughts on this because I would imagine 1/4 tsp of vodka solution would not transfer much alcohol flavor to say a pitcher of juice or iced tea or whatever.

Also what do you do if 1/4 tsp = 1 cup equivalence is too strong for you? I mean I know you would simply need dilute it further, but I mean logistically speaking, how do YOU do it. Do you keep mixtures of seperate strengths in seperate containers, one for juice for example and one for a cup of coffee?

Also, have you heard of anyone mixing the powder directly into coffee cream to make their own coffee creamer?

Does the unmixed powder itself have a shelf life?

I am just trying to cover all my bases here and make sure I dont waste an expensive purchase.


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