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dartstar1 02-01-2010 12:38 PM

for LoCarbman Newtame
 
I check that seller and he has a product called Newtame 8000 times sweeter thatn sugar Have you tried this???
1 oz. = 450 lbs. of sugar

locarbman 02-01-2010 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dartstar1 (Post 13077389)
I check that seller and he has a product called Newtame 8000 times sweeter thatn sugar Have you tried this???
1 oz. = 450 lbs. of sugar

LOL! I believe you mean Neotame? Google doesn't show 'Newtame' sweetener in my search...

Wikipedia has a description of Neotame here:

Neotame - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

No, I have not looked into this sweetener...am really quite satisfied with Liquid Sucralose at 600 times sugar. Neotame at a strength of 7,000 to 13,000 times sweeter than sugar, is probably more useful to product manufacturers than to me in my kitchen...and, it gives me pause as a derivative of Aspertame... ;-)

LOL! I figured out your reference to 'that seller' and found the product (Neotame Sweetener ;-)...I have ordered some and will let you know more when have time to work with it...

"Pure Neotame Powder – 1 oz.
This new sweetener contains 0 Calorie, 0 Carb, and is 8000 times as sweet as sugar.
1 oz. $48.00 equals 500 lbs. of sugar"

locarbman

ravenrose 02-01-2010 04:18 PM

Well, I hope you LIKE it, locarbman... that should last you a spell! LOL

locarbman 02-01-2010 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ravenrose (Post 13078526)
Well, I hope you LIKE it, locarbman... that should last you a spell! LOL

LOL! The 'fun' will be calculating how many gallons of water to mix with 1 ounce for a strength comparable to Liquid Sucralose... scott123 was already advising we weigh Sucralose powder to 1000th of a gram...I'll have to ask him how accurately we must weigh Neotame powder LOL!

ravenrose 02-01-2010 08:41 PM

you have a scale that measures to 1000th of a gram? cool.

dartstar1 02-02-2010 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by locarbman (Post 13078092)
LOL! I believe you mean Neotame? Google doesn't show 'Newtame' sweetener in my search...

Wikipedia has a description of Neotame here:

Neotame - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

No, I have not looked into this sweetener...am really quite satisfied with Liquid Sucralose at 600 times sugar. Neotame at a strength of 7,000 to 13,000 times sweeter than sugar, is probably more useful to product manufacturers than to me in my kitchen...and, it gives me pause as a derivative of Aspertame... ;-)

LOL! I figured out your reference to 'that seller' and found the product (Neotame Sweetener ;-)...I have ordered some and will let you know more when have time to work with it...

"Pure Neotame Powder – 1 oz.
This new sweetener contains 0 Calorie, 0 Carb, and is 8000 times as sweet as sugar.
1 oz. $48.00 equals 500 lbs. of sugar"

locarbman

WOW thank you locarbman
I always failed science so am glad that you have the skill and patience to test this
I usre hope tho it is worth the investment

locarbman 02-03-2010 08:43 PM

Neotame Powder order update ;-)
 
2/1/2010 4:38:44 PM It just shipped!

Your package from (Source Deleted ;-) is on its way. You can track it online.

The U.S. Postal Service was electronically notified by the shipper on February 1, 2010 to expect your package for mailing. This does not indicate receipt by the USPS or the actual mailing date. Delivery status information will be provided if / when available. Information, if available, is updated periodically throughout the day. Please check again later.
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Preliminary Calculations for 1 teaspoon Neotame Powder: (I will have to measure the number of teaspoons powder in 1oz (28.35g) to determine values per ounce)

1 – 1 tsp Powder = ~8,000 teaspoons sugar equivalence. (per manufacturer)

2 – 1 tsp Powder = 166.67 cups sugar equivalence (8000 / 48)

3 – 1 tsp Powder requires 41.5 teaspoons liquid (166.67 / 4)

4 – 1 tsp Powder requires 14 tablespoons liquid (41.5 / 3)

5 – 1 tsp Powder requires 7 fluid ounces liquid (14 / 2)

Thus, mixing 1 teaspoon Neotame Powder in 7 fluid ounces of water will yield a concentration where 1/4 teaspoon solution will equal 1 cup sugar equivalence.

Here is an info source…for those interested… ;-)

Neotame > About neotame > Literature for Consumers and Healthcare Professionals

The manufacturer recommends using Neotame 50% with Sucralose....

Can’t wait to try this… ;-)


PS: An interesting thought...for equivalent concentrations of Liquid Sucralose (2oz powder with 46t water) and Liquid Neotame (1t powder with 42t water), 1 teaspoon Neotame Powder is approximately equivalent in sweetness to ~16 teaspoons (2oz) Sucralose Powder. Therefore, Neotame Powder is ~16 times sweeter than Sucralose Powder by volume... ;-)

dartstar1 02-04-2010 05:51 AM

WOW! I wonder if it can be mixed with the eyrithinol(sp) instead of suculose? and because you are mixing it with your liquid would that ne 0 carbs

ravenrose 02-04-2010 09:53 AM

zero carbs in any case, yes

sucralose is Splenda

locarbman 02-04-2010 04:46 PM

My Neotame Powder arrived at the Post Office today by Priority Mail... ;-)

My (2) 1 ounce orders were individually double bagged and sealed in an aluminum pouch.

To determine the 1oz volume, I immersed 1 double bagged ounce in a measuring cup, filled to the 1 cup mark, removed the 1 ounce bag and recorded 5floz water remaining. This yields a volume for 1 ounce Neotame Powder at ~3floz. Using the Online Conversion site "3 ounce [US, liquid] = 18 Teaspoon [US]".

To mix up a full 1oz of Neotame Powder at a strength equivalent to that of Liquid Sucralose I would add 126floz (18t * 7floz) or 15 3/4 cups (126 / 8) or 3.9 quarts (15.75 / 4) or 0.98 gallons (3.9 / 4) of water... ;-)

I believe I will only mix this up 1 teaspoon in 7floz water at a time LOL! I will be testing this solution soon...have to get ready now for the SuperBowl...my family's Annual Gathering! ;-)

Soobee 02-05-2010 03:59 AM

So one ounce equals just about a gallon of sucralose syrup? If that is true, it is a real bargain. I will have to research its safety first before I buy. I am also very interested in you taste results. Do you know if you can cook with it?

locarbman 02-05-2010 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Soobee (Post 13095078)
So one ounce equals just about a gallon of sucralose syrup? If that is true, it is a real bargain. I will have to research its safety first before I buy. I am also very interested in you taste results. Do you know if you can cook with it?

Hi Soobee,

I ran across this interesting site discussing the relative safety of food additives (including sweeteners ;-) yesterday which gives a 'thumbs up' for Neotame:

Food Additives ~ CSPI’s Food Safety


"NEOTAME
Artificial sweetener: Diet soft drinks and other diet foods.
Neotame, produced by NutraSweet Co. (maker of aspartame), is about 8,000 times sweeter than table sugar and 40 times sweeter than aspartame. Neotame is chemically related to aspartame, but the difference confers greater chemical stability, enabling the new sweetener to be used in baked foods. It likely will be used mostly in low-calorie foods, but may also be used to adjust the flavor of other foods. It was approved by the U.S. FDA in 2002, but is still rarely used."

The references I have seen have all been positive regarding the use of Neotame in cooking...will just have to see for ourselves... ;-)

dartstar1 02-06-2010 05:57 AM

locarbman. now then when we mix this do we mix it with distilled water ( I remember something I use to get that said I had to use distilled or sterile water ??

locarbman 02-06-2010 10:21 AM

Hi Jacki,

I personally use tap water for mixing my liquid Sucralose/Stevia and have not experienced any problems...so far ;-) however, would refer you to scott123's post #20 in this thread for his opinion of tap/bottled water:

http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/lo...d-splenda.html

Depending upon how soon you will use 7floz Liquid Neotame, distilled water may be a safer bet... Of course, you could mix up smaller amounts:

1 teaspoon Neotame Powder in (7floz or 14T or 42t) water
1/2 teaspoon Neotame Powder in (3.5floz or 7T or 21t) water
1/4 teaspoon Neotame Powder in (1.75floz or 3.5T or 10.5t) water

Hope this helps... ;-)

dartstar1 02-06-2010 01:50 PM

sure does! thank you.

ravenrose 02-07-2010 12:45 PM

Why did you decide you needed TWO ounces of the stuff? LOL

locarbman 02-08-2010 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ravenrose (Post 13105344)
Why did you decide you needed TWO ounces of the stuff? LOL

LOL! It was cheaper than 5 ounces… ;-0

I just arrived home from the family gathering and proceeded to mix up a new solution of Neotame Powder and a fresh solution of Sucralose Powder using these teaspoon sugar equivalents:

Neotame Powder (sugar equivalents):
..............Cups....Teaspoons
1t.........166.67….....8000
1/2t........83.33.......4000
1/4t........41.67.......2000
1/8t........20.83........1000
1/16t.......10.42.........500
1/32t.........5.21.........250
1/64t.........2.6...........125
1/128t.......1.3.............62.5
1/256t.......0.65...........31.25
1/512t.......0.33...........15.62

I used 1/4th teaspoon Neotame Powder (equals 41.67 cups sugar equivalence) with 3.5 Tablespoons (52ml) water for a solution strength of 192 times sugar…1/4 teaspoon = 1 cup of sugar equivalence.

Sucralose Powder (sugar equivalents):
..............Cups....Teaspoons
1t..........12.50.........600
1/2t.........6.25.........300
1/4t.........3.13.........150
1/8t.........1.56...........75
1/16t........0.78..........37.50
1/32t........0.39..........18.75
1/64t........0.20............9.38
1/128t......0.10............4.69
1/256t......0.05............2.34
1/512t......0.02............1.17

I used 3 + 1/4th + 1/8th teaspoons Sucralose Powder (equals 42.19 cups sugar equivalence) with 3.5 Tablespoons (52ml) water for a solution strength of 192 times sugar…1/4 teaspoon = 1 cup of sugar equivalence.

I mixed 1/4th teaspoon of each solution (1 cup sugar equivalence each) into separate 2 cup bottles of water to compare their sweetness and taste…I found them both equally sweet and both had a clean, sugary taste…will make Kool-Aid tomorrow with ¼ packet of Kool-Aid in each bottle. I am quite pleased with Neotame at this point…will do further testing! ;-)

Soobee 02-09-2010 05:34 AM

I really enjoy hearing about your experiments, although I must say that my mind is in a fog during the math portion of the explanation.

dartstar1 02-09-2010 08:32 AM

the numbers overWHELM me in a fog LOL

CreekWatcher 02-09-2010 10:39 AM

How does it taste?

locarbman 02-09-2010 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soobee (Post 13112242)
I really enjoy hearing about your experiments, although I must say that my mind is in a fog during the math portion of the explanation.

LOL! Simply put…if you wish to try using Neotame Powder, I suggest you order 1oz for $48 + s/h and mix 1/4 teaspoon in 3.5 tablespoons of water, then use it like you would use Liquid Sucralose in your recipes…

The 'math' shows a cost of $0.02 per cup of sugar equivalence...cheapest so far... ;-)

Creekwatcher, it tastes just like Liquid Sucralose to me...hope it works as well in recipes...

locarbman 02-19-2010 04:19 PM

Hi again, made my own equivalent DaVinci/Torani Sweetening Syrup today... ;-)

I used 1/8t (20 cups sugar equivalence) Neotame Powder in an empty 750ml bottle and filled with water. I then prepared my coffee sweetener by placing 3/4 cup 'sweetener' in a 2nd empty bottle and filled with heavy whipping cream...it tastes the same as the original (have been using sweetener syrups by the case ;-0) and this is a very cost effective use for me... ;-)

PS: I've located my calculations (above) at my Sucralose Refractometer BLOG as 'Sucralose alternative Neotame' ;-)

http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/bl...g-results.html

ravenrose 02-21-2010 03:17 PM

That's great. If one wanted to duplicate the flavored syrups, people need to bear in mind that they also sometimes contain a sour ingredient. This is especially true in the fruit flavors; using just a flavoring and the sweetener can taste flat. You can use powdered citric acid (sold in supplement sections or sometimes found as "sour salt") or experiment with a bit of cider vinegar or something like that.

Of course most of the time I want a lot less liquid than those syrups come with, so I'll probably make mine stronger.

Netrition should distribute Neotame!

CreekWatcher 02-22-2010 11:00 AM

Say locarbman, what was the soluble (tasteless) fiber powder that you previously suggested using to cut concentrated sweetener powders?

locarbman 02-22-2010 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by CreekWatcher (Post 13169194)
Say locarbman, what was the soluble (tasteless) fiber powder that you previously suggested using to cut concentrated sweetener powders?

Hi CW ;-)

It was FoodScience of Vermont's "Clearly Fiber" (Digestive Resistant Maltodextrin) Powder (available on-line) and referenced in my BLOG in the 'Make your own Splenda 'Quick Pack' Equivalents! ;-)' comment at:

http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/bl...g-results.html

and in post #36 page 2

http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/lo...k-packs-2.html

Has worked quite well with Sucralose Powder... ;-)

PS: I do have an extra 'new' bottle from my last order, will try a small amount with Neotame Powder... My kitchen has become a 'sweetness center' LOL!

Dixie Barkley 02-22-2010 01:47 PM

Marking my spot!

CreekWatcher 02-23-2010 11:15 AM

thanks locarbman!

locarbman 02-23-2010 02:19 PM

Hi,

I took Neotame Powder to our local Medicine Shoppe Pharmacy today and had it weighed to the nearest 100th of a gram. The pharmacist weighed 1 teaspoon (5ml) at 2.07 grams. Thus, there are 13.7 teaspoons per ounce of Neotame Powder (28.35g / 2.07g) and 4.57 Tablespoons per ounce (13.7 / 3).

As I used an estimated volume of 18 teaspoons per ounce in my volume based calculations below, I will place the following revisions in my BLOG comment 'Sucralose alternative Neotame! ;-)'

http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/bl...g-results.html

"Calculations:

1 – Volume measure for 1oz Neotame Powder:
To determine the 1oz volume, I immersed 1 double bagged ounce in a measuring cup, filled to the 1 cup mark, removed the 1 ounce bag and recorded 5floz water remaining. This yields a volume for 1 ounce Neotame Powder at ~3floz. Using the Online Conversion site "3 ounce [US, liquid] = 18 Teaspoon [US]"."

2/23/2010 - Revised from 18 Teaspoon estimated volume of 1 ounce Neotame Powder to 13.7 teaspoons per physical weight obtained from The Medicine Shoppe Pharmacy.

"2 – Mixing a 1oz Neotame Powder solution:
To mix up a full 1oz of Neotame Powder at a strength equivalent to that of Liquid Sucralose I would add 126floz (18t * 7floz) or 15 3/4 cups (126 / 8) or 3.9 quarts (15.75 / 4) or 0.98 gallons (3.9 / 4) of water... ;-)"

2/23/2010 - Revised as follows: I would add 96floz (13.7t * 7floz) or 12 cups (96 / 8) or 3 quarts (12 / 4) or 0.75 gallons (3 / 4) of water.

All other calculations are unaffected... ;-)

This happens to be the same weight as Sucralose Powder ;-) from post #80 page 3:

http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/lo...splenda-3.html

" In 2005, a friend was looking for a measure of 1/4t Sucralose powder to the nearest 100th gram…I took my powder to our local Medicine Shop Pharmacy where the Pharmacist determined its weight to be 2.07g per teaspoon (5ml) (or 4.57 Tablespoons/oz) [28.35g / 2.07g = 13.7t / 3 = 4.57T] noting that it was a bit difficult obtaining accurate results because: 1) “this substance is so fluffy”, and 2) “It has a tendency to stick to the spoon”."

Just FYI ;-)

locarbman 02-23-2010 08:22 PM

Make your own Neotame ' Splenda Quick Pack' Equivalents! ;-)
 
CreekWatcher,

I will try making a ‘Splenda Quick Pack’ blend using Neotame Powder and Clearly Fiber, however, I just can’t believe that 1/16th teaspoon Neotame Powder (= 500 teaspoons sugar equivalence) can be successfully dispersed in the required 10.42 tablespoons of Clearly Fiber (500t / 48(1/16tht/T)) to equal 1 teaspoon sugar equivalence per 1/16th teaspoon of blend.

Perhaps, a more useful blend would be achievable using 1/16th teaspoon Neotame Powder with 5.21T Clearly Fiber to equal 2 teaspoons sugar equivalence per 1/16th teaspoon of blend…disbursement may still a problem.

Or using 1/8th teaspoon Neotame Powder with 5.21 Tablespoons of Clearly Fiber to equal 4 teaspoons sugar per 1/16th teaspoon of blend…any thoughts?

I did try using my ‘new’ very small teaspoons:

“1/16 Teaspoon (Pinch) [US].….= 0.308 milliliter or gram
1/32 Teaspoon (Smidgen) [US] = 0.154 milliliter or gram
1/64 Teaspoon (Drop) [US]......= 0.077 milliliter or gram”

And used 1/64 teaspoon Neotame Powder (=125 teaspoons sugar equivalence) with 4 teaspoons Clearly Fiber (125t / 16(1/16tht/t) / 2) to equal 2 teaspoons sugar equivalence per 1/16th teaspoon of blend, stirred together in a 1 cup measuring cup for about 1 minute and tried 1/16th teaspoon blend in a cup of coffee. I am amazed, it was perfect! My 94yo Aunt also confirmed it was sweet… ;-) I placed 1 tablespoon of water in the measuring cup (the inside was covered with a light powdery residue), inserted a finger to get all of the powder into solution and then took a sip. It was, as I had suspected, very sweet indicating that an amount of the Neotame Powder adhered to the inside of the cup. But, this blend appears to work… ;-)

My Sucralose (1 teaspoon Sucralose powder) whisked with 12.5 tablesoons Clearly Fiber blend does work satisfactorily for me (1/8 teaspoon = 2 teaspoons sugar equivalence) in my coffee ;-)

I do prefer liquid solutions. They are more easily prepared, are of consistent strength, and the Neotame Powder is completely utilized… ;-)

Now I have enough Neotame/Clearly Fiber blend for 63 more cups of coffee? LOL!

dartstar1 02-24-2010 05:30 AM

WoW! YOu are just AMAZING I never thought when I asked it would become so BIG


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