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Old 04-05-2010, 11:33 AM   #61
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Ooops... I missed the 60 minute editing deadline ;-(...telephone call from my sister... ;-)

Just wanted to add that I do prefer mixing my liquid sucralose per this post:

http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/lo...enda-best.html

Just FYI... ;-)

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Hi Pam,

LOL! I have not abandoned Stevia! I just like to explore new sweeteners as they appear… ;-) I do like the LorAnn Flavoring Oils Honey flavoring but mostly use Steele’s and Honeytree’s maltitol based honey in recipes.

You might try using LorAnn’s flavoring with Vegetable Glycerine (a thick sweetener 75% as sweet as sugar) and Stevia to taste for a honey flavored syrup. For a Davinci’s type honey flavored syrup, you could try adapting my recipes in posts #13 & #15 Page1 Of this thread:

http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/lo...id-stevia.html

using honey flavoring…

Hope this helps… ;-)



Thanks so much, that's the thread I was looking for but couldn't find. I had printed it out a long time ago but I couldn't find it anywhere so I have now cut and pasted the important parts.

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Thanks, locarbman, I see that 2 oz sucralose mixed with 46 teaspoons of water would give me the same strength as Sweetzfree, which is what I was looking for.
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Ok..now I am confused again..lol

I think when I get mine I am suppose to mix the 2oz of Quick Sweet Surclose Powder in 8oz of water/Glycerine less 2 tsp of water/glycerine to get it to equal to 1/4 tsp equal 1 cup of sweetness???


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Ok..now I am confused again..lol

I think when I get mine I am suppose to mix the 2oz of Quick Sweet Surclose Powder in 8oz of water/Glycerine less 2 tsp of water/glycerine to get it to equal to 1/4 tsp equal 1 cup of sweetness???


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Yes, that is correct (ala locarbman's referenced post and my calculator)...
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mac sorry for the confusion...and thanks CW! ;-)

I must admit that my 'post' using a 25%w/v solution was oriented to creating an equivalent to Quick Sweet Liquid Sucralose (a 25%w/v solution) which, at a strength of 185 times sugar, actually yields only 46.25 teaspoons sugar equivalence per 1/4 teaspoon solution...close enough for most of us who sweeten to taste...

However, as precision is our quest ;-) A 26% w/v solution at a strength of 192 times sugar does yield 48 teaspoons sugar equivalence per 1/4 teaspoon solution and can as accurately and easily be prepared as follows:

A 26%w/v (weight/volume) Liquid Sucralose concentration requires 26g Sucralose powder mixed in 100 ml water.

Using a ratio: 26g is to 100ml water as 56.7g is to Xml water; cross multiplying we get X = 56.7*100/26; X = 218ml water

Using the Online Volume Conversion site:

218 milliter = 44 Teaspoon[US]

Therefore 1c less 4t water mixed with a 2oz container of Quick Sweet Sucralose powder will yield a concentration of 26% w/v Liquid Sucralose at a strength of 192 times sugar where 1/4t = 1c sugar equivalence."

And, although I find that my 2oz Sucralose powder does not completely dissolve in Vegetable Glycerine...it is close enough ;-) and my solution has been working quite well...


Happy Sweetening... ;-)
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Thanks!

Ok..I ordered 1 oz of Neotame Powder also...I think I will go back and order another ounce since he has not gotten it back in yet..

How much do I put in water to make the sweetness...of 1/4t =1 cup sugar.. same measurements???

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How much do I put in water to make the sweetness...of 1/4t =1 cup sugar.. same measurements???

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LOL! NO! Neotame powder is much stronger than Sucralose powder and therefore it requires much smaller amounts of Neotame powder than Sucralose powder in a given volume of glycerine or water. ;-)

I prefer using Vegetable Glycerine to make my Liquid Neotame solutions as it is anti-bacterial and does not require refrigeration. You may prepare your 1/4 teaspoon = 1 cup solutions in the following volumes (depending upon how often you wish to make them up ;-)

1/4 teaspoon Neotame powder mixed in 3.5 Tablespoons glycerine or water or,

1/2 teaspoon Neotame powder mixed in 7 Tablespoons glycerine or water or,

1 teaspoon Neotame powder mixed in 7 fluid ounces glycerine or water.

I used 1/4 teaspoon in 3.5 Tablespoons glycerine for trial purposes and most recently used 1/2+1/16+1/64th teaspoons in 1/2 cup glycerine. I plan to use 1 teaspoon in 7 fluid ounces in the future... ;-)
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LOL! NO! Neotame powder is much stronger than Sucralose powder and therefore it requires much smaller amounts of Neotame powder than Sucralose powder in a given volume of glycerine or water. ;-)

I prefer using Vegetable Glycerine to make my Liquid Neotame solutions as it is anti-bacterial and does not require refrigeration. You may prepare your 1/4 teaspoon = 1 cup solutions in the following volumes (depending upon how often you wish to make them up ;-)

1/4 teaspoon Neotame powder mixed in 3.5 Tablespoons glycerine or water or,

1/2 teaspoon Neotame powder mixed in 7 Tablespoons glycerine or water or,

1 teaspoon Neotame powder mixed in 7 fluid ounces glycerine or water.

I used 1/4 teaspoon in 3.5 Tablespoons glycerine for trial purposes and most recently used 1/2+1/16+1/64th teaspoons in 1/2 cup glycerine. I plan to use 1 teaspoon in 7 fluid ounces in the future... ;-)

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mac sorry for the confusion...and thanks CW! ;-)

I must admit that my 'post' using a 25%w/v solution was oriented to creating an equivalent to Quick Sweet Liquid Sucralose (a 25%w/v solution) which, at a strength of 185 times sugar, actually yields only 46.25 teaspoons sugar equivalence per 1/4 teaspoon solution...close enough for most of us who sweeten to taste...

However, as precision is our quest ;-) A 26% w/v solution at a strength of 192 times sugar does yield 48 teaspoons sugar equivalence per 1/4 teaspoon solution and can as accurately and easily be prepared as follows:

A 26%w/v (weight/volume) Liquid Sucralose concentration requires 26g Sucralose powder mixed in 100 ml water.

Using a ratio: 26g is to 100ml water as 56.7g is to Xml water; cross multiplying we get X = 56.7*100/26; X = 218ml water

Using the Online Volume Conversion site:

218 milliter = 44 Teaspoon[US]

Therefore 1c less 4t water mixed with a 2oz container of Quick Sweet Sucralose powder will yield a concentration of 26% w/v Liquid Sucralose at a strength of 192 times sugar where 1/4t = 1c sugar equivalence."

And, although I find that my 2oz Sucralose powder does not completely dissolve in Vegetable Glycerine...it is close enough ;-) and my solution has been working quite well...


Happy Sweetening... ;-)

Thanks for the correction, locarbman; for those of us who use the scale, (and don't know no metric without googling it) we can combine 26 grams of sucralose and 88 grams of water.

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For those curious as to whether the claim that 1 ounce of Neotame powder is equivalent to 500 pounds of sugar is really true ;-), I submit the following:

Objective: To confirm that 1 ounce Neotame powder is equivalent to 500 pounds sugar.

Calculations:

Given Strength (ie: a liquid Neotame solution at a strength of 192 times sugar):

1 – Determine Cups of sugar equivalence per 100ml of solution. A strength of 192 means there are 192 cups of sugar equivalence in 1 cup (236.6ml) solution. Use a ratio: 192c is to 236.6ml as Xc is to 100ml; Xc = 192*100/236.6; Xc=81.15 cups of sugar equivalence per 100ml of solution.

2 – Determine Teaspoons sugar equivalence per 100ml of solution. Multiply Cups per 100ml by 48t/cup. 81.15c * 48t/c = 3995 teaspoons of sugar equivalence per 100ml of solution.

3 – Determine gram weight of granular sugar equivalence per 100ml of solution. Divide teaspoons of sugar equivalence by .25 grams per teaspoon granulated sugar (per the on-line conversion site). 3995tseq / .25g/tgransug = 15881 grams granulated sugar equivalence per 100ml of solution.

4 – Determine grams of Neotame powder to mix in 100ml water for a 192 strength solution. Divide grams sugar by 8000 (strength of Neotame powder). 15581gsugar / 8000 = 1.95grams Neotame powder to mix in 100ml water for a 192 strength solution.

5 – Determine weight relationship between Neotame powder (ounces) and Granulated Sugar (pounds).

Given: 1.95grams Neotame = 15581 grams granulated sugar (#3 and #4 above)

Then:
1 - 28.35 grams per ounce / 1.95 grams Neotame = 14.56 units Neotame per ounce
2 - 15581 grams sugar / 28.35 grams per ounce = 549.59 ounces sugar
3 - 549.59 ounces sugar / 16 ounces per pound = 34.35 pounds sugar
4 - 14.56 units Neotame * 34.35 pounds sugar = 500 pounds sugar equivalence per 1 ounce of Neotame powder

Conclusion:

1 ounce Neotame powder is, indeed ;-), equivalent to 500 pounds sugar.
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Interesting article from ‘All About Sweeteners' suggesting that Neotame may be a better choice than Sucralose, Ace-K and Saccharin for low carb diet plans… ;-)

Taste Receptors Where?!
© by D. Eric Walters

We all know about taste buds on the tongue. But recently scientists have discovered taste receptors in an unexpected location: the lining of the small intestine.
Yes, sweet taste receptors have been found on intestinal epithelial cells. Fortunately, they aren't connected to our sense of taste. They are sensing the contents of the digestive system, in order to control and assist in the absorption process.
Glucose is absorbed in the intestine by a transporter called SGLT1. But when the sweet receptors in the intestine sense a high level of sweetness, they trigger the movement of a second transporter, GLUT2, to the cell surface. This doubles or triples the rate of sugar absorption [1]. The effect is seen with sugar and with the high potency sweeteners sucralose and acesulfame-K. In earlier times, when calories were scarce, this mechanism undoubtedly increased the efficiency of the digestive system. It made sure that sugar absorption was maximized. But now, when we have excessive calories available in our diet, it may contribute to obesity.
Think about the stereotypical "dieter" who has a diet soft drink with the french fries. The starch in the fries is broken down to glucose, and the artificial sweetener increases the supply of transporters, so that the glucose is more efficiently moved into the body!
There is another problem that arises with overconsumption of sweets. In experiments with mice, Margolskee and his colleagues showed that a diet high in carbohydrates will, over time, double the amount of the SGLT1 transporter that is present in the intestinal cells [2]. The artificial sweeteners acesulfame-K and saccharin also increased SGLT1 levels, suggesting that the taste receptors control the amount of transporter. Aspartame [Neotame] did not do this, but rodents cannot taste aspartame [neotame]. Besides, aspartame [neotame] is rapidly digested, so it would probably not affect glucose absorption, even in humans.

References
[1] Mace et al., J. Physiology (London) 582:379, 2007.
[2] Margolskee et al., Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. USA 104:15075, 2007.

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Very interesting. I can't wait for my order to arrive.
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I got my neotame. I dissolved it in 7 T of water at the amount you suggested. It is not staying dissolved. Locarbman, do you shake it up before you use it? Does it stay dissolved in glycerine?
I am going to try it tomorrow in 3 recipes, one with cocoa. I will let you know the outcome.
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I got my neotame. I dissolved it in 7 T of water at the amount you suggested. It is not staying dissolved. Locarbman, do you shake it up before you use it? Does it stay dissolved in glycerine?
I am going to try it tomorrow in 3 recipes, one with cocoa. I will let you know the outcome.
I've been using VG and it dissolves quite well and does stay dissolved. I would try heating the solution and shaking. My 1/4 teaspoon in 3.5T water did stay dissolved. How much Neotame powder did you use? 1/2 teaspoonful I hope... ;-) I did find these instructions in PDF form from A1CR Health & Wellness:

Instructions for Neotame & Sucralose Water Dilution
1) Bring water to a boil
2) Pour boiling water into a Jar.
3) Stir all powder into hot water.
4) Let sit a minute, and stir again.
5) Stir about 5 times this way.
6) Then you see the powder is fully dissolved.

http://www.crsociety.org/wtaylor/CRf...e-Dilution.pdf

Seems a bit extreme to me...warm water and shaking should work nicely.

Hope this helps... ;-(

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I got my neotame. I dissolved it in 7 T of water at the amount you suggested. It is not staying dissolved. Locarbman, do you shake it up before you use it? Does it stay dissolved in glycerine?
I am going to try it tomorrow in 3 recipes, one with cocoa. I will let you know the outcome.
I hope mine is here tommorow..
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Sorry, the above URL doesn't appear to work. If you are interested in viewing this PDF file titled 'Instructions for Neotame & Sucralose Water Dilution' you may find it by doing a Google Search for "A1CR Neotame" and click on item #4 "Copyright (c) by A1CR Health & Wellness!"#$%&&#/%(#/". Oops that doesn't work! I am only able to find this file using my AVG search??? ;-( Well, I have it downloaded and can print copies for anyone unable to access the PDF file...or can post pertainent information (as above) as it relates to your questions... ;-)

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Sorry again, I was successful using Yahoo search... ;-)

Soobee, I retyped the article for you as it does have interesting information and several caveats when making dilutions...

"Instructions for Neotame & Sucralose Water Dilution

1) Bring a quart of water to a boil.
2) Pour boiling water into a quart jar.
3) Stir all powder into hot water (6.25 g Neotame = 1 TBL; or 83.3 g Sucralose = 7 TBL)
4) Let sit a minute, and stir again.
5) 5) Stir about 5 times this way.
6) 6) Then you see the powder is fully dissolved.

Compare Neotame and Sucralose dilutions. Sweetness levels are closely identical. Both are very usable. Nothing is wasted. The sweetness level is known. For both dilutions, 2 drops dilution equals approx. 1 tsp of sugar. And 1 tsp dilution = approx 1 cup sugar. Use 4-Oz amber dispenser bottle and eye-dropper (Free for your first order).

Math details:

1) Neotame is 8000 times sweeter than sugar. Sucralose is 600 times sweeter.
2) Both powders hyper-stimulate your taste buds to create bitterness, if tasted directly.
3) Both are so sweet that they are unusable – and wasted – unless diluted.
4) Even water dilutions of 50-to-1 (see below) can be bitter: So dilute further in food.
5) Dilutions are easy – and very usable. Dispense as drops, or in tiny amounts.

When you create a dilution of Neotame or Sucralose in water, your dilution is measured by how much sugar-equiv weight of powder is contained in how much water. A practical dilution level is 50-to-1 so 1 gram of the dilution (20 drops) yields the sweetness of 50 grams sugar (approx 2 ounces). To get a cup of sugar (200 grams), use 200/50 = 4 grams of the dilution (approx 1 tsp).

Important things to know about Neotame and Sucralose powders:

1) Both dry powders dissolve slowly in cold water, so dissolve in very hot water.
2) If the powders are only partially dissolved, you fail to receive the full sweetness.
3) Failure to get full sweetness is wasteful.

This paragraph is more math. Ignore unless you are curious. Math: A quart is about a liter = 1000 grams. So a quart of 50-to-1 dilution must contain 1000x50 grams sugar-equiv powder. To find out how much sugar-equiv powder to add to the water, divide the sugar-equiv total of 1000x50 grams by the sweetness factor of 8000 for Neotame, or 600 for Sucralose. Neotame: 1000x50/8000 = 6.25 grams Neotame powder (approx 1 TBL). Sucralose: 1000x50/600 = 83.333 grams Sucralose powder (approx 7 TBL).

Note 1: When direct tasting highly concentrated Sucralose or Neotame powders, or their 50-to-1 dilutions, they can appear bitter if tasted directly. Direct tasting over-stimulates your taste buds. Excessive sweetness stimulation is perceived as bitterness.

Note 2: Both Neotame and Sucralose are fine to use at high temperatures (boiling is OK, baking is OK). But make your dilutions by using hot water (Do not boil the powders). Boiled Neotame by itself gets cloudy, lacking appeal. Boiled Sucralose by itself can crystallize.
Copyright © by A1CR Health & Wellness"


Hope this helps... ;-)

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I did not boil the water. That's what I did wrong. Still, shaking it before use does work, so for this bottle I will stay where I am. I did use 1/2 t. Concentration is good. Waffles this morning were delish. I have 2 more recipes to try today with it, one with cocoa. I am really hoping that neotame will sweeten cocoa better than sucralose. I plan to make 2 sets of the cocoa coconut protein bars, one each with sucralose and neotame, and testing them side by side. Will keep you posted.
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Report on neotame:
Waffles were excellent, as good as sweetening with sucralose. I'm switching to neotame.
Ice cream was excellent, better than sucralose. My ice cream has some erythritol in it, so I don't know if that blend was the reason it was so good. Switching to neotame for my ice cream.
Green tea was fine with neotame, but the aftertaste lasts for a long time. Will stick with sucralose if I want my tea sweetened.
Cocoa Coconut protein bars-I made 2 batches, one with sucralose alone and one with neotame alone. The sucralose bars tasted sweet with a very bitter backlash. The neotame tasted slighly sweet and slightly flat. So I thought more neotame would make it sweeter, but it didn't. I need to mix neotame with a little erythritol. I think that blend will be the best.
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Waffles were excellent, as good as sweetening with sucralose. I'm switching to neotame.
Ice cream was excellent, better than sucralose. My ice cream has some erythritol in it, so I don't know if that blend was the reason it was so good. Switching to neotame for my ice cream.
Green tea was fine with neotame, but the aftertaste lasts for a long time. Will stick with sucralose if I want my tea sweetened.
Cocoa Coconut protein bars-I made 2 batches, one with sucralose alone and one with neotame alone. The sucralose bars tasted sweet with a very bitter backlash. The neotame tasted slighly sweet and slightly flat. So I thought more neotame would make it sweeter, but it didn't. I need to mix neotame with a little erythritol. I think that blend will be the best.

TY for your report..

So..I am going to mix my neotame up with hot water tommorow I think. If I like it like you do I think I will switch completely over to neotame for my sweetener the next order. I will keep one bottle of Liquid splenda also as backup for my baking needs and my tea sweetening and will use a neotame/erythritol blend for my baking..
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I've been using VG and it dissolves quite well and does stay dissolved. I would try heating the solution and shaking. My 1/4 teaspoon in 3.5T water did stay dissolved. How much Neotame powder did you use? 1/2 teaspoonful I hope... ;-) I did find these instructions in PDF form from A1CR Health & Wellness:

Instructions for Neotame & Sucralose Water Dilution
1) Bring water to a boil
2) Pour boiling water into a Jar.
3) Stir all powder into hot water.
4) Let sit a minute, and stir again.
5) Stir about 5 times this way.
6) Then you see the powder is fully dissolved.

http://www.crsociety.org/wtaylor/CRf...e-Dilution.pdf


Seems a bit extreme to me...warm water and shaking should work nicely.

Hope this helps... ;-(
1/2 teaspoon of Neotame per 7oz of water!! Now that is a LOT of cost savings compared to the pure Surclose since you have to use 2 oz into the 7oz!

That has helped me Alot!!

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Question about using veg. glycerine:

Do you heat the glycerine also? in a water bath?

Need practical help.

(for the neotame. . .which is on the way.)
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Question about using veg. glycerine:

Do you heat the glycerine also? in a water bath?

Need practical help.

(for the neotame. . .which is on the way.)
Hi MM, ;-)

From my BLOG:

"Ingredients: Tap water (hot ;-), pure Neotame powder.

NOTE: 1/4 teaspoon Neotame Powder may also be mixed in 3.5 Tablespoons of Vegetable Glycerine (cool ;-), a natural preservative with antibacterial properties) that does not require refrigeration."

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Have Fun!... ;-)

Soobee...good work! Thanks !!!

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1/2 teaspoon of Neotame per 7oz of water!! Now that is a LOT of cost savings compared to the pure Surclose since you have to use 2 oz into the 7oz!

That has helped me Alot!!

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LOL! No!, that should be 1/2 teaspoon Neotame per 7 Tablespoons of water! Use 1 full teaspoon in 7 fluid ounces of water... ;-)

Per my BLOG:

2 – Mixing Neotame Powder solutions:
1 teaspoon Neotame Powder in (7floz or 14T or 42t) 'hot' water
1/2 teaspoon Neotame Powder in (3.5flozor 7T or 21t)'hot'water
1/4 teaspoon Neotame Powder in (1.75floz or 3.5T or 10.5t) 'hot' water

Just want you to be happy with your Neotame... ;-)

PS: To be 'accurate' ;-), that would be 2oz Sucralose powder in 1 cup less 4 teaspoons water...(sorry to be so 'fussy'...but these powders are so strong, a little powder makes a BIG difference... ;-)

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LOL! No!, that should be 1/2 teaspoon Neotame per 7 Tablespoons of water! Use 1 full teaspoon in 7 fluid ounces of water... ;-)

Per my BLOG:

2 – Mixing Neotame Powder solutions:
1 teaspoon Neotame Powder in (7floz or 14T or 42t) 'hot' water
1/2 teaspoon Neotame Powder in (3.5flozor 7T or 21t)'hot'water
1/4 teaspoon Neotame Powder in (1.75floz or 3.5T or 10.5t) 'hot' water

Just want you to be happy with your Neotame... ;-)



PS: To be 'accurate' ;-), that would be 2oz Sucralose powder in 1 cup less 4 teaspoons water...(sorry to be so 'fussy'...but these powders are so strong, a little powder makes a BIG difference... ;-)
woops..my mistake..i wrote it wrong...

TY so much!!

Making up tommorow if my mind with work right...

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Bumping... :]

I am just now getting ready to mix mine up for the first time...

Not been using alot and just now running out of my old stash of Liquid Splenda...
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Hey LCF

Another question...HOT Water ( I am using Spring water) or HOT Veg Gly for Surclose Powder and WARM Vegetable Glycerine for the Neotame Powder?

I am getting ready to mix up both to try.. :]
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Hi M ;-)

Mixing Neotame and Sucralose powders with Vegetable Glycerine:

I have used room temperature VG for both Sucralose and Neotame powder solutions successfully.

Mixing Neotame and Sucralose powders with water:

Although hot water is recommended for both Sucralose and Neotame powders, I have had no problem mixing either in cool water. However, you may find Soobee's experience with cool water here (page#2 post#75)...may be a good idea to heat the water some and shake your solution to insure that the powder fully dissolves...

Have Fun! ;-)

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