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Old 03-14-2005, 10:35 AM   #1
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Probably been asked already....but

What is the carb count of say, 1 cup of Carbquick? trying to go through all those pages of info....well, I am asking for help instead,

Also....1 cup of poly dextrose?

The carbquick box talks about biscuits and counts....and the bag of poly has nothing on it....

Thanks guys....

I am making those yummy chocolate chip cookies....but didn't put in some of the things listed on original recipe and added a couple extra things...so I am trying to get my carb count.


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Carbquik 6.1 net carbs/cup

Polydextrose maximum 12 net carbs/cup (probably less)
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I am still working on the full profile for poly-d but here is CQ & Erythritol...

1 c. Carb Quik

305.85 cals.

22.65 g fat
63 g carbs
56.9 g fiber
19.4 g protein

ecc = 6.1 g

1 T. Erythritol

3 cals.

0 g fat
15 g carbs
14.25 non-digestible carbs (I count this as fiber in ******)
0 g protein

ecc = 0.75 g

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A little confused now.....

Well I guess we have some different calculations....here are some of the responses I got back from you great folks who answered my questions.....

for 1 cup of carbquick....

from Chefgreg....Re: carb question in carbquick
Per 1 cup (110g.) 13g.

From Lindasue....
1 CUP CARBQUIK (110 grams by weight):
323.53 calories
22.65 grams fat
58 carbs
45.3 grams fiber
19.41 grams protein
12.7 net carbs

From Scott....
Carbquik 6.1 net carbs/cup

From Tessie....
1 c. Carb Quik

305.85 cals.
22.65 g fat
63 g carbs
56.9 g fiber
19.4 g protein
7 net carbs

Not sure why we basically have two different calculations. One around 6-7 net carbs and one around 12-13 carbs.

I am thinking that the 12-13 might be closer to the real deal...Chefgreg was involved in this new product.

Anyone got any ideas....please I am not trying to start an argument....just wanted to check my carb count on a recipe I had made.
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Unless more recent information has been unearthed, this is the last post regarding carbquik net carb count, from TovaRep, dated 12/14/04

http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/sh...et#post4236999

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Originally posted by TovaRep
By popular demand: A Carbquik nutritional chart. This is consistent with the 3lb nutritional. The net carbs may seem low in this chart, but it has to do with rounding in the nutrition panel.


amount grams ounces net carbs

1 tsp 2 0.07 0.1

1 TBS 6 0.21 0.3

1/4 cup 27.5 0.97 1.5

1/3 cup 36 1.27 2

1/2 cup 56 1.98 3

2/3 cup 71.5 2.52 4

3/4 cup 82.5 2.91 4.5

1 cup 110 3.88 6.1
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I e-mailed Tova directly and got the information -- I posted above.
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Ok....on my three pound box....it says

1 biscuit (1 ounces) 17g dry mix is basically 2 NET carbs.

Now he is stating 110g makes up one cup.....110 divided by 17g (listed as one serving) is 6.47. So 6.47 times the 2 net carbs is 12.9 Net Carbs.

I think the problem is that the box is stating "1 ounce" I am guessing this is what the BISCUIT weighed....not just the carbquick.....the carbquick IN that biscuit is 17g.....thus following the nutritional label....it would have to be around 12-13 NET CARBS.

If 1 ounce is 17g then how do they get 110g equaling 3.88 ounces in the figures they gave you?

Am I wrong.....otherwise why wouldn't they correct the box? I know Lindasue figured it along these same lines.....


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If you are confused as to what info. source to use I recommend calling Tova directly and asking for the specific nutrition information per cup of Carbquik. This is what I did and that is where I got my information from.

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Tessie....am I just totally whacked in my thinking? and or calculations?

Before I call them...I just wondered if you could see the logic in my calculations....
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Just got off the phone with Carbquick people.....

according to the TOVA rep....the carb count has been corrected and what is on the box is correct.

On the box it states...17g of dry mix is 2 net carbs....so the original calculations by the TOVA REP were wrong and by following the correct figures on the box 1 cup with 110g is just under 13 net carbs.

I was assured ChefGreg (who in an email yesterday told me 13 net carbs) and the 'TOVAREP' are aware of this...this is a fairly new correction....I got the impression like within the last couple of days....

[COLOR=red]The carb count for 1 cup of carb quick is just under 13 net carbs[/COLOR]

They are going to email me a copy of the email showing the correction.

I am so glad we got this straightened out.

Thanks everyone for your help....

I am gonna post this as a new post too...so others will get the correct information.

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the email came....

I got the email...
Here is a copy of the email I just recived....I have blanked out some names.....

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Dear Patti,
Thank you for taking the time to call us regarding your questions about Carbquik.
As we discussed, here is the e-mail response to the same question. I hope we have answered your questions regarding Net Carbs.

Take care

Sincerely,
Shannon Griffiths,
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888-532-8682 x116

----- Original Message -----
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Cc: 'Shannon Griffiths' ; 'yael melzer' ; 'Greg'
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 9:06 AM
Subject: RE: Carbquik is FANTASTIC! I have questions


Dear Michelle,

Thanks for your confidence and kind words.

It is true that we are tweaking with the formula of Carbquik®. We have already removed all hydrogenated oils and trans-fats from the product, and we are coming out soon with an all-natural version of the product as well.

Regarding the carb count, since we have continuously improved the product, different versions of the product may have slightly different nutritional values as displayed on the packaging.

Our current product as shipped in all pack sizes has the following net carbs:

Per 1 oz. (28.35g.) 3.3g.

Per 1 cup (110g.) 13g.

I hope this helps

Zack Melzer

Tova Industries, LLC

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Hi!

First, THANK YOU a thousand times for developing Carbquik, it is a WONDERFUL product and a Godsend to us low carbers!

We're puzzled over the nutrition labels of the boxes for biscuits. One label calls for 17 gm and the other 20 gm of mix.

Could you please send me a definitive nutrition breakdown (including net carbs) for 1 oz and 1 cup measures of just the mix? PLEASE! :-)

Also, we read somewhere that you were tweaking the mix's recipe to further reduce net carbs and/or calories? Are you? Did you? What were/will be the results?

Thank you for giving me your time.

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Now I am mad! I got completely different information from TOVA AND my box has different information on it. I got the lower carb version. I guess with each order I will have to update my software with the right nutritional information. Or better yet go back to using my own bake mix and Poly-D since what I have made with it is equally as good if not better.

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Tessiebird, I'm miffed as well. Carbquik reformulated to remove the transfats about 7 months ago. How many tweaks have they made since then? If they want to make improvements to this stuff, great, but the least they could do is keep the public informed of the changing nutritional info.

I can understand how they wouldn't want to shell out the money to replace their existing labels. Fine. But what about coming here and telling us? What about posting the info on their website? Would it be that hard to put a blurb on their website saying something like:

"If you purchased lots numbered ____ to ____, then the nutritional information for your product (and net carb count) is this:

____________

For lots ____ to ____ then it's this:

_____________"


You would think that a company specifically marketing its product to the low carb community would go to extraordinary lengths to make people aware of the carb counts and not leave ANY room for guessing. This is like pulling teeth!

So... I see from the letter that it's dated March 9. That was a week ago. Have they 'tweaked' it since then? Are we going to have to write to them every few weeks just to keep up with the changes? Could the next batch be 'tweaked' to 30 net carbs per cup? Well?

Btw, how the heck are we going to know which batch of carbquik we're buying anyway? Should we just pick a number? Roll some dice? What?

This is a very very questionable way of doing business.
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Scott....I am beginning to think that they are simply covering the butts by saying 'we are tweaking" with the formula.....I think that the TovaRep and even ChefGreg ORIGINALLY said it was around 6 carbs a cup....(but then Chef Greg, quick a bit of time ago, did say it was around 13 carbs)....so to allow that they weren't WRONG they have magically tweaked the formula....

Look at your boxes...if it says 17g dry mix and its 2 Net carbs....then we know the 110gr can't be only 6 carbs....

What do the boxes say that you guys have? I have a 3 pound box and it says the 17g....got it about 2 months ago.

Like I said to Tessie in another thread when she said she had called and gotten different information....
"Tessie....I have to tell you that I basically got into an argument with the young woman that answered the phone. She read me the same numbers that both Scott and you had given me and posted on the board (which I really appreciated)....I asked her to explain to me how she got the 6.1 figure for net carbs...she told me she had a chart....I asked her to explain the figures on the box then....I gave her my take on the figures....if 17 grams of the mix = 2 net carbs then 110 grams can't be 6.1....please explain....she couldn't....I explained how I was getting my figures...she kinda understood but then put me on hold to go check with her supervisor.....when she came back she stated that she gone to talk with him and he was gone, she called him on his cell and in fact, the 13 carb count was correct and referenced the email sent out last week. I told her about our message board and she referenced ChefGreg and the TovaRep. I thanked her and asked her to send me a copy of the email, and she did.

So I can imagine your frustration....cause if I hadn't argued with her a bit (and she was very nice through it all) and basically said that I love the product, but the numbers aren't adding up....I would have hung up thinking that the 6.1 carb per cup was right, when it fact it is wrong."

Hey guys....I was just trying to find the carb count of a couple of the great recipes I got from this board with carbquick. Sure didn't mean to get anyone upset with me....
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Patti, I'm not mad at you whatsoever. I'm hugely grateful that you stuck with it and got to the bottom of this. I would hate to be counting 6 carbs when I was really consuming 13.

My angst is strictly directed towards the Carbquik folks.

Woah, wait a second... I just re-read everything. She didn't mention rounding. The two net carbs on the box is based on rounding regulations. According to tova rep, the net carbs are closer to 1. He talks about it here:

http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/sh...et#post4245806

If you look at her figures, it's all based upon exactly 2 net carbs per 17 g serving. It looks like they just calculated the numbers from off the box. That's not going to work since the 2 on the box isn't is a true representation. It's a result of rounding the real number up to apply with regulations.
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Ok I have my box right here and according to my calculations my nutritional label would be close to the 6 ecc per cup.

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From the label

17 g dry mix (17/28 = 0.61 oz.)

50 cals.
3.5 g fat
9 g carb
7 g fiber
2 g net carb
3 g protein

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1/3 c. dry mix

100 cals.
7 g fat
18 g carb
16 g fiber
2 g net carb
7 g protein

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1 c. of bake mix from my box weighed = 3.7 oz.

3.7 oz = 1 c.
1.23333 oz. = 1/3 c.
0.61666 oz. = 17 g or 1 biscuit

My label appears to be correct! If you take into account the margin of error for rounding.
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Again guys, I am only going by what they told me....I don't think they would say 13 if in fact it was only 6....doesn't make sense.

Tessie if your box says 17g and 2 carbs then it is the 13 carb per cup box. I don't understand if you are saying you think according to your calculations it is only 6....pardon my math density LOL!

But in calculations that I understand.....it would be.....

110g (total g in a cup) divided by 17g (# of g per serving) = 6.47
6.47 (# of servings in one cup) times 2 (# of carbs per serving) = 12.94 carbs per cup. Which is the 13 the are saying it has.

Here is the email from ChefGreg....

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Per 1 oz. (28.35g.) 3.3g.

Per 1 cup (110g.) 13g.

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bybs54 wrote on 03-14-2005 05:54 PM:
Can you give me a correct carb count on say 1 cup of carbquick?

I have looked all over this board and can't seem to find it listed anywhere....on the box it talks about biscuits....

Just need to know how many carbs are in 1 cup of this great product...

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I suppose rounding can make that much of a difference....I remember with the Bob's Red Mill flaxmeal.....a post of mine from earlier....

"My mother just got off the phone with the people from Bob's Red Mill. We love Spongebob's Flaxmeal bread and really wanted to find out how many carbs are in 2 cups of their ground flaxmeal. The bag says 4 carbs - 4 fiber.....but we all know about hidden carbs and the fact that they can show 0 if its below .5 carbs.

Alrighty....for 2 cups of their ground flaxmeal....its 70 carbs and 59 fiber.....net of 11 carbs in this recipe for the flaxmeal."

So that listed 0 carbs....but for one cup it was actually 5.5 net carbs!

Sure wish they would just put what it actually is in the labels and forget all this rounding and > or < junk!

Damn...it is good stuff though!!

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It's 6.1 net carbs/cup. I'm sure of it

Here's another example of labeling regulations messing with net carb counts. Take a look at the nutritional label for granular splenda. Under carbs, it says "Total carb: less than 1." Because of the regulation, they have to round it up to one. In reality, it's .5 g, making it 24 net carbs per cup (not 48)

Carbquik is the same story. The 2 net carbs per 17 g serving listed on the package could technically read:

"Less than 2 carbs"

When you look at it that way, the math works.

As you can see from TessieBird's 1/3 C. specs, as you go to a larger serving size, the rounding involved causes less of a skew, resulting in a truer representation of the net carbs (2 per 1/3 cup = 6 per cup).
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Scott....that thread is from December......this week the company said it is 13 carbs.

The nutritional data on the box is from a lab and regulated by the FDA.....all other information on the box is basically advertising.

On the thread you listed, in his post the Tova rep stated he'd come back at weeks end....back in December....

"This discrepancy has to do with FDA guidelines. By their guidelines, Net Carbs have to equal Total Carbs - Fiber. Since those are each rounded, this is where the discrepancy comes from.

The panel lists 10g carbs and 8g fiber. There could be (for example) 9.5g carbs and 8.4g fiber. This would have to round (by guidelines) to 2 net carbs even though it's closer to 1. I'll get you the specific numbers by the end of the week.


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He doesn't come back and post until 2/27/05....and he never addresses it again.

In December is when all the original questions about the product carb count came up...personally I believe a mistake was made back then....printed on the boxes.....ChefGreg and TovaRep were originally saying 6.1 net carbs.....then around the first of the year their mistake was discovered and they have corrected it.

As of this week they said it is 13 carbs....both the ChefGreg and TovaRep guy via phone with me and a follow up email.....

I am going to go with the 13 carbs to be safe.....please feel free to count whatever number you are comfortable with.

This math calculations is hurting my head so early in the morning....

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