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Old 02-19-2013, 11:10 AM   #61
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Eats were good yesterday, and I just cooked a bunch of chicken to get me through the next few days. Was looking through the menu forum and found a post by epix where he made a dish with a Thai garlic chili sauce. Picked some up last week from the Asian section of the grocery store and love the stuff. 1g carb/sugar per tsp, but a tiny bit goes a long way, it's pretty powerful stuff.

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I'm looking to do a "crash start" to this current effort. I'm seriously looking to drop 30 lbs in 30 days. I know it's doable, but a challenge. Yes, I realize a fair amount of that will be water weight, and yes I know that the scale is not the ultimate judge, but it's really the only reliable measurement for 30 days.

I know the first time I did LC, I lost 18 lbs in the first 14 days. Don't know what I did the remaining 16 days, but probably did 30 in 30 then. However, I'm starting lower now, and I know that each "start" seems to be less "rapid."
Yeah, each restart doesn't quite seem as dramatic as the first, but if it's been awhile you should still see a decent drop. I don't know any real secret. I think we've all lost weight in the past, so just do what worked last time. We're all a bit different anyway. Good luck.
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Old 02-19-2013, 12:08 PM   #62
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Heavy Whipping Cream and diet soda. Man it taste good.

I reckon just about any flavor of soda is good.

Orange
Rootbeer
Coke Zero
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Diet DP

I don't care much for the diet cherry flavored sodas with HWC.

It is a great way to get your fat intake up.
How much HWC? I'm trying to avoid HWC as it is one of the things that Atkins says to limit.
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How much HWC? I'm trying to avoid HWC as it is one of the things that Atkins says to limit.
I use 1 ounce in a glass of ice and soda but you can use less or more as suits you.

Atkins doesn't have a 30 day crash plan so I wouldn't get too hung up on the particulars of that way of eating if you are dead set on what you are about to attempt.

You might just avoid diary products altogether though for your 30 day thing. I think the only thing I eat that is dairy is the HWC and cheese. I could do without them for 30 days I reckon if I really wanted to. But the fat in HWC is super good and I eat as high of fat as I can for my calories. I try to eat about 2000 to 2300 calories a day. And I am very, very sedentary.

I think you should keep your fat very high for regularity. Fat works better than fiber and good fat is an essential nutrient. You don't want to hit the 30 day mark with 5 pounds of poop built up.
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I use 1 ounce in a glass of ice and soda but you can use less or more as suits you.

Atkins doesn't have a 30 day crash plan so I wouldn't get too hung up on the particulars of that way of eating if you are dead set on what you are about to attempt.

You might just avoid diary products altogether though for your 30 day thing. I think the only thing I eat that is dairy is the HWC and cheese. I could do without them for 30 days I reckon if I really wanted to. But the fat in HWC is super good and I eat as high of fat as I can for my calories. I try to eat about 2000 to 2300 calories a day. And I am very, very sedentary.

I think you should keep your fat very high for regularity. Fat works better than fiber and good fat is an essential nutrient. You don't want to hit the 30 day mark with 5 pounds of poop built up.
Regularity went out the window a long time ago for me; not even fat will keep it coming, as it were. The only "natural" thing that has worked for me is Magnesium supplementation; fat doesn't, fiber doesn't. Dulcolax and Miralax work, but I'm leery about using them consistently even though my Dr. says they are very mild and won't cause issues.
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Forgot to post yesterday. Starting feeling better toward the end of last week and feel pretty much back to normal now. I can't tolerate a steady stream of eggs and meat while I'm sick, but got on track with low-carb yesterday.

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Regularity went out the window a long time ago for me; not even fat will keep it coming, as it were. The only "natural" thing that has worked for me is Magnesium supplementation; fat doesn't, fiber doesn't. Dulcolax and Miralax work, but I'm leery about using them consistently even though my Dr. says they are very mild and won't cause issues.
Do you get indigestion after a big protein or fat meal? Or heartburn?

You log your food, right? How much fat? I eat in the 70%s and try to get to 80 or a bit higher every day.
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Forgot to post yesterday. Starting feeling better toward the end of last week and feel pretty much back to normal now. I can't tolerate a steady stream of eggs and meat while I'm sick, but got on track with low-carb yesterday.

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Nice loss. 2 pounds is not a bad trade off for being sick but being sick sucks for sure.
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Yeah, each restart doesn't quite seem as dramatic as the first, but if it's been awhile you should still see a decent drop. I don't know any real secret. I think we've all lost weight in the past, so just do what worked last time. We're all a bit different anyway. Good luck.
That's very true. I kept a log of my weights almost daily the first time I did atkins. I lost a lot faster my initial time, though I was probably a lot more strict with my diet and exercise.
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Do you get indigestion after a big protein or fat meal? Or heartburn?

You log your food, right? How much fat? I eat in the 70%s and try to get to 80 or a bit higher every day.
Nope. No indigestion or heartburn. Just very hard. Ahem. The last "real" time I was doing low carb, I was down to 314, but then had a very hard stool that ended up causing an anal fissure. If you've ever had one of those, they are nothing you want to repeat. Stopped eating low carb for quite awhile, then figured out it really doesn't matter what I eat; I'm still hard with out the supplementation.

I don't track my food; but I'm probably doing close to 60-70% calories from fat, based on past tracking. I cook my eggs in bacon grease; add full fat salad dressing to salads, eat the dark meat and the skin of chicken; just ate a nice piece of leftover prime rib last night, and add butter to cooked vegetables; prefer chuck roasts, and ribeye steaks.
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Dang. I'm glad you mentioned exercise.

Don't exercise for your 30 day challenge. You are not going to promote quick weight loss with exercise. If you do exercise keep it to a bare minimum and only resistance type exercises. Like, less than 30 mins every other day. But it is best just to avoid it since your focus is on a quick turn around.
Marvin - Not sure I agree with the no exercise thing, low impact exercise will help kickstart weight loss and burn calories, when I first started this I believe I lost 30lbs in 30 days, and I was only 50-60 lbs overweight, I walked 5-10 times around our block everyday which was 2km a lap, the weight just melted off me , and fast. Also may want to keep a handle on the diet soda, some studies indicate it will inhibit weight loss.

Include the exercise and lose the weight for good, get the right routines from the get go, things will be easier in the long run


First day of exericse for me today, probably shouldnt have started with insanity fast and furious, but it was only 20 mins , I was hacking and coughing up a
storm, but I got through it, unbelievable how bad my cardio is now, almost non existent

Stack - good to see you are getting better, I am feeling better but the last 2 days I am coughing more than when I was really sick, the antibiotics have taken hold though, so things are better

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Well exercise is one of those things that is backed up by a lot of anecdotal evidence but not really backed up by science as far as weight loss is concerned. I don't doubt that some guy that already has a work out routine in place can eat the occasional pizza with no apparent weight gain. And there are plenty of exercise enthusiast that don't eat particularly good food but stay in shape anyway. That is more about their metabolism at their age than the fact that they work out.

Resistance exercise can increase resting metabolism because of the muscle mass you accumulate over time. But you won't accumulate any to speak of in 30 days. Especially if you are not already in shape.

Non-resistance exercise tends to lower resting metabolism.

It varies but over 10 to 15 hours of exercise a week can reduce resting metabolism as much as 15%. Phinney discussed this on a podcast with Jimmy Moore.

Expending the extra calories for exercise does not go unnoticed by the body. It makes you hungry. Taubes covered it in his book.

There are many excellent reasons to exercise of course. But for a 30 day challenge I doubt it is going to do anything other than make you sore and possibly reduce your resting calorie burn.

I only mention it with regards to Marvin's quest to lose as much as possible in 30 days.
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Nope. No indigestion or heartburn. Just very hard. Ahem. The last "real" time I was doing low carb, I was down to 314, but then had a very hard stool that ended up causing an anal fissure. If you've ever had one of those, they are nothing you want to repeat. Stopped eating low carb for quite awhile, then figured out it really doesn't matter what I eat; I'm still hard with out the supplementation.

I don't track my food; but I'm probably doing close to 60-70% calories from fat, based on past tracking. I cook my eggs in bacon grease; add full fat salad dressing to salads, eat the dark meat and the skin of chicken; just ate a nice piece of leftover prime rib last night, and add butter to cooked vegetables; prefer chuck roasts, and ribeye steaks.
Did you ever see a specialist about your condition? The good news is that you are already supplementing with magnesium. That is such an important supplement.

I tell you what Marvin, if it were me, I'd log everything and eat 80% to 85% fat every day for a few weeks and I'd shoot for about 160 grams of protein a day with total carbs a low as possible. I'd probably shoot for about 3000 calories.
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Did you ever see a specialist about your condition? The good news is that you are already supplementing with magnesium. That is such an important supplement.

I tell you what Marvin, if it were me, I'd log everything and eat 80% to 85% fat every day for a few weeks and I'd shoot for about 160 grams of protein a day with total carbs a low as possible. I'd probably shoot for about 3000 calories.
No...I was sick of medical people by the time I was healed up, that I didn't go near a doctor's office for over a year. Long story. The specialist (surgeon) I did see gave me really bad advice and so therefore didn't want to go near another specialist. I did consult with my primary doc about the supplementation, Miralax and Dulcolax, and came up with a plan. The doc thought it could be the particular mixture of meds I was on.
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Brother I am with you on that. There ain't nothing but sick people at doctor's offices.
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Brother I am with you on that. There ain't nothing but sick people at doctor's offices.
Amen. I only go to the doctor because because my wife will nag me if I don't. I go in with a minor cold and come out with the flu.
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Stack - good to see you are getting better, I am feeling better but the last 2 days I am coughing more than when I was really sick, the antibiotics have taken hold though, so things are better
Thanks Ken. I had a similar experience with the coughing. It eased up the first couple of days on the antibiotic, then came back stronger for a few days, then finally went away.
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Thanks Ken. I had a similar experience with the coughing. It eased up the first couple of days on the antibiotic, then came back stronger for a few days, then finally went away.
wow, exact same thing happening to me, i just hope it goes away, it does feel like its getting better

took off exercise today, just didnt have it in me, 10 hr shift work sucks that way, and with kids evening activities, dinner, etc, I have to come up with a better schedule

reddarin, lots of podcast and book quotes, im going to go with experience on this one
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reddarin, lots of podcast and book quotes, im going to go with experience on this one
Lots of excellent reasons to exercise and be in shape. And nothing beats N of 1.
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checking in,

still working everyday lately, finding it hard to exercise after work, in my mind I figure I am working so much I shouldnt have to, plus my job is sorta pysical

eats have been so-so, trying to get in more low carb food lately, at least have my wife on board to make a run at it, she also is having a hard time exercising because she is now working fulltime.

Im thinking of taking her next month for a trip/cruise for our 15th anniversary, usually that gets me in the zone for low carb,

kind of queit around here especially since we have new recruits! You guys must all be getting ready for your red carpet parties for tonites Oscars!
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Congrats on ya'lls 15th anniversary shiner. I've never taken a cruise but from what I hear the way to go is to avoid the huge floating city type cruise lines. And not just because of the fiasco with one of them recently in the news. The experience is better, the service is better, the atmosphere is better because it is more intimate than plowing along with 5000 strangers.
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Sometimes work throws my sleep schedule off. Slept most of Sunday, leaving me up all night bored. Mind starts to wander. Here is what I came up with. Ooba is no longer. Got a new kick butt screen name.

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A good week for me. I was really hoping to break back into the one hundreds this morning but the scale refused to cooperate.
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Finally got on track with low carbing last Monday and had no problem staying on track throughout the week. My staple meal is 1/2 pound grass-fed ground beef cooked with diced onions and bell peppers, topped with cheddar cheese and a tbsp of extra virgin olive oil.

My first obstacle race this year is the Pennsylvania Tough Mudder, which is the weekend of June 1st (can't remember offhand if I registered for Saturday or Sunday). The Super Spartan Race I did last September is generally considered more hardcore than Tough Mudder, but I figure I can't really talk trash on Mudders until I do a TM. At this point, I have 14 training weeks until the race.

When I planned to start dieting on January 1, it seemed I had plenty of time to drop some weight without having to worry about athletic performance. I still have a solid fitness base, have been able to run 400, 200, 100 and 50 meter intervals in the minimalist shoes without pain in my right calf, and will allow the crossover of longer walks/hikes and faster interval runs to build my mileage base, so I feel comfortable to continue dieting until I'm about 8 weeks out from the race. I'm not going to concern myself with performance while in a glycogen-depleted state, and just focus on getting the training in while losing fat.

For now, my strength training program is a basic, old-school 3-days-per-week M//W/F full-body routine:

20-Rep Squat (1 work set)
One-Leg Standing Calf Raise (1 work set each leg)
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Standing Overhead Press (Barbell) (second set)
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Barbell Curl (biceps are actually a weak point for me in my compound pulling exercises due to pretty much ignoring them during my Squat/Bench/Deadlift powerlifting years, so I am not just doing them as a "vanity" isolation exercise)
Weighted Dip (second set)
Barbell Curl (second set)
15-Rep Stiff-Leg Deadlift (1 work set)
Neck & Grip work

I currently run intervals on Tuesday & Saturday. If I decide to push the 20-rep squats hard (which really is not a great idea when low carbing as one would be hard pressed to imagine a more glycogen-dependent activity than an all-out set of heavy 20-rep squats), I'll need to run intervals on lifting days (M&F) and allow my legs to recover on the other days.

Props on the new screen name Ooba. Now who's going to be Bull Hurley?

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I stuck on plan and got in more exercise this week, but my body didn't want to give up any weight. I'll probably have a big number next week.

Lincoln Hawkl? You'll always be Ooba to me. Or is this like when Wall made a mysterious appearance as Santa Claus or something like that.
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Exercise lacked this past week for me, but I pretty much stuck to plan with the eats. Definitely going to try and refocus on the exercise this week. Nice loss Stack and BigD hopefully like you said you see the rewards for your efforts with next week's weigh in. I also thought of the Wall/Santa thing with the name change. Never really understood what happened with that, but mine should be pretty straight forward. And yeah, feel free to keep using Ooba.

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Hi guys. I am back. A month of bad habits returned and keeping up with posting on camp Charlie along with it. I got in two days of exercise so far. I am trying to get back into eating right, but for some reason that is difficult to nail down.

Big D - nice progress.
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Shiner - Cruise/trip is always great motivation.
Marvin - good to see you back.
Lincoln Hawk and Reddarin - welcome aboard. Good group. These guys helped motivate me to drop some serious poundage.

Since I have been out and too scared to step on the scale, I'll weigh in for the March thread.
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