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Old 07-09-2012, 05:57 PM   #331
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Thanks for the welcome everyone! I've been happy on and off with just keeping off the majority of the weight I lost. But I'd really like to make it to goal.

Getting on the correct thyroid hormone has made a world of difference. I still have to eat less, but it doesn't seem so impossible and the scale does seem to be slowly moving.
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We are such a weird, screwed up bunch. Do you ever wonder if "outsiders" ever read this crap we are going through and wonder what alien species we evolved from? Do scientists ever secretly wish they could do experiments on us and our metabolisms? Do you ever wonder if you could survive a plane crash and be rescued 2 months later at the same weight you were when you boarded the plane?
I meant to comment on this back when you posted it. My thought is that if this were to happen to me, they would find me to have lost weight but it would be all muscles and organ and I would have about the same amount of fat.

Just as an real life example, my 25 yr. old daughter is currently living in a very remote research camp in Africa. Food is mostly high carb with a minor supplementation of fresh caught fish which is not very often.

She is normally a very slight young women but has developed an extended abdomen and so have her other European and North American camp mates. They spend many hours (around 12) doing very physical activity and yet under these conditions have acquired this belly fat.
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Cathy the info about your daugher is very interesting. I do not think that one diet fits all! I was raised in a home that had lots of potatoes, bread, pasta, corn, etc. Thinking back to when I was 9 or 10, I realize now that I already had a "wheat belly". Its smaller now, but not gone - that is for sure.

I have started using the tracker you mentioned earlier and find it not too difficult. The one I tried a year ago had me and ready to toss the computer out of the window!!

My fat and protein were out of whack yesterday - what else is new . I'm doing a little better today, though I am a little low on carbs.

Hope everyone is doing well. Speck are you over your cold yet? DrJ is probably busy at the fair and I hope she is doing ok.

How about everyone else?
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I meant to comment on this back when you posted it. My thought is that if this were to happen to me, they would find me to have lost weight but it would be all muscles and organ and I would have about the same amount of fat.

Just as an real life example, my 25 yr. old daughter is currently living in a very remote research camp in Africa. Food is mostly high carb with a minor supplementation of fresh caught fish which is not very often.

She is normally a very slight young women but has developed an extended abdomen and so have her other European and North American camp mates. They spend many hours (around 12) doing very physical activity and yet under these conditions have acquired this belly fat.
I have often thought I am a Zucker rat. Nothing seems to happen until I get it down to a protein sparing modified fast plus exercise, which is hard!
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I have often thought I am a Zucker rat. Nothing seems to happen until I get it down to a protein sparing modified fast plus exercise, which is hard!
Yes, that is me - a Zucker rat - may change my user name!!
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9 years??? Have you been strict LC the entire time?
Yes. I go off-plan a couple of times a year for one meal (birthday, etc.). But that's it. I know that I eat too much too lose, but haven't been successful reducing the amount that I eat long enough to make a difference.

Like I said, I'm glad to have maintained all of these years, but I would really like to reach my goal!
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I've been doing pretty well. I had a phone interview for a new job after work yesterday and I was completely stressed about it. First I was ravenously hungry (didn't eat) and then when I did eat I could hardly choke down the food. That kept my protein quite low for the day.

Have any of you read "The Art and Science of Low-Carb Performance"? That's the book that has the information about blood ketone testing. In it they talk about when you're overweight you don't need to eat as much fat, because if you get into ketosis your body will use your stored fat to make up for the lost calories. You just need to keep your protein and carbs low enough to get into ketosis. I got the free Nova Max Plus blood glucose & ketone meter kit. It came with 2 ketone strips and I used one when I first got it. My blood tested positive for ketones (2.4) but I haven't tested since. Purchasing the replacement strips is $$.

Last night after hardly eating any dinner (and keeping carbs & protein low) I went to my kettlebell class. I thought I would be starving afterwards but I wasn't. I hope that means that my body is preferentially burning fat for energy.

I've been weighing-in on Fridays, so hopefully I'll see some movement on the scale this week. I've been at 162 for 2 weeks.
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Here's an interview with the author of that book.
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Old 07-10-2012, 07:27 PM   #339
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Another good one (bad interviewer, though! lol)
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JuneCC thanks for posting the interviews!
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You're welcome, Kristn! The information was fascinating and worth sitting through the interviews! lol I keep requesting books like this at my library, because they don't carry any of these, but usually they tell me they can't get them even by inter-library loan. So I don't know if I'll get to read that one or not. I can't afford to buy all the books I want to read.

I woke up to 147.5 lbs this morning!! Yay!! I think the trick for me was to lower protein and increase fat to keep my metabolism going. Once I went back to tracking my food, I realized I was not even eating 1000 calories most days and that's no good, at least for me. I also started taking calcium supplements, like Dr. B. said, because although I do eat cheese I don't eat a lot of it. My copy of his 2011 book just came so I'll be reading through that now and might make some more changes. It feels good to be losing again. And my FBG readings are staying pretty steady at 85-89 now, too. My PP readings rarely go over 110 anymore. Now I just have to add in some exercise to build muscle, without upsetting the apple cart, and I'll be good.

Kristn, where did you find the free meter kit?
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Woo hoo June!

I don't know how people stay so low on calories. I've started using ****** to track mine (I really hate it!) and I'm trying to keep them between 1200 and 1500. I can see how I wasn't losing because it's hard for me to stay so low. The little tiny bits of protein on my plate seem so small.

I got the free meter by following the link on Jimmy Moore's blog post about nutritional ketosis. It's a bit hidden in the text.
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I'm off to buy to my size 8 jeans now but I'll look for the link when I get back.


I was completely ignoring calories but when I set the percentages to what I wanted (carbs 30g, protein 45g) it automatically came out to 100g fat and 1200 calories. It has taken some adjusting but now that I'm getting enough fat I don't miss the protein and sometimes go right past lunch or dinner without even being hungry.
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Cathy the info about your daugher is very interesting. I do not think that one diet fits all! I was raised in a home that had lots of potatoes, bread, pasta, corn, etc. Thinking back to when I was 9 or 10, I realize now that I already had a "wheat belly". Its smaller now, but not gone - that is for sure.

I have started using the tracker you mentioned earlier and find it not too difficult. The one I tried a year ago had me and ready to toss the computer out of the window!!

My fat and protein were out of whack yesterday - what else is new . I'm doing a little better today, though I am a little low on carbs.

Hope everyone is doing well. Speck are you over your cold yet? DrJ is probably busy at the fair and I hope she is doing ok.

How about everyone else?
Yes, finally!
I'm in the middle of a home improvement project, so not much free time to play on LCF. Doing OK diet-wise. I need to get back to the high fat regimen. That fell to the way side when I got sick.
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Good to hear you are better Speck!!
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Glad to hear that you're recovered Speck! DH and I had a nasty flu a few weeks back and it was a rough recovery.

I got on the scale this morning (was going to wait for tomorrow, but couldn't). Still hanging out at 162. I was trying to stay between 1200 and 1500 calories, but I think I'm going to try to stay closer to 1200 to get the scale moving. This is really hard for me, especially on weekends. I need to figure out how to have a couple of cocktails and not go completely off the rails--both with calories from the alcohol and eating more after I have a few. This Friday night is happy hour with my alumni group and then Saturday DH and I are meeting friends for drinks. I don't drink during the week, but it seems like social events always have alcohol attached and it's hard to abstain 100%.
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When it is hot, I can gain 2 lbs a day. Why can I gain 2 lbs a day??

I know, after 2 years, it is water weight.

Can you gain 6 lbs in 3 days?

Just asking. I was outside for the the last 9 days and I have gained 10 lbs.
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that seems like an awful lot of water retention. Could it just be normal for you?
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No one can gain or lose 10lbs. of fat in 9 days. It is mostly fluid. This heat is brutal!! I can't imagine being in it for that long....
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No one can gain or lose 10lbs. of fat in 9 days. It is mostly fluid. This heat is brutal!! I can't imagine being in it for that long....
Brutal is a nice way to say it.

I do have a nice tan.
No Vitamin D deficiency here!

I can't make a fist and when I poke my legs, it leaves a dent in the skin.
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Sorry to hear about the fluid retention drjlocarb! It doesn't even get that warm around here, but when it starts heating up my ankles swell up something fierce.

I am happy to report that the high fat/moderate protein/low carb 1200 calorie experiment seems to be working for me. I am down two pounds this morning!
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Kristin can you post a few days worth of meals so I can get a better idea what this looks like? I couldn't quite get into the groove of it before I got sick and the last couple weeks have been crazy and I'm barely hanging onto "moderate" carb lately, nevermind watching fat, protein and calories! . I would like to give this experiment another try, but I'm lacking in inspiration and hoping if I can see how you're doing it, it might be the right kick in my pants I need.
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Speck,
I started another challenge specifically for nutritional ketosis as I'm pretty excited about it! Please take a look if you'd like to join: http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/lo...ge-anyone.html

Here's a typical day for me:

B: 2 eggs, 2 ounces avocado, 1 tbs low-carb ketchup, 12 ounces coffee with 2 tbs coconut cream

L: Large salad (variety of veggies) with 1 tbs olive oil & lots of vinegar, 3 ounces of protein

Afternoon snack: 12 ounces of coffee with 2 tbs coconut cream

D: Large salad (variety of veggies) with 1 tbs olive oil & lots of vinegar. 3-4 ounces of protein.

Sometimes I have other veggies instead of salad, but I'm pretty hooked on salad these days. I like to fill it with lots of different vegetables. I do have to weigh and measure to keep it around 1200 calories. I give myself permission to up the fat if I'm feeling hungry (up to 1500 calories), but I keep the protein and carbs at the same level. I have never done this on low-carb. I am used to eating large servings of protein so this is a big change for me.

I was doing low-carb, no snacks, no nuts, no dairy for quite a while without results. I think I was just eating too much protein and too much in general. This has really jump started things!
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Awesome, thanks! Yes, I will join your challenge.
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Fair is done!!!

I am going to spend the next 2 weeks getting back into ketosis and I will see if I can get back to my stall weight and keep going. I did order the meter and sticks, but I want to see if my "vacation" did anything to re-set SOMETHING.

I know how to do VLC without thinking about anything. I am still not sure how to measure protein. I will have to buy a scale since my beef doesn't have weights on the packages. I think I can eat 1 pound of meat a day and stay under the 80-90g.
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Yiiiiipeeeee!! I bet you break that stall weight! Yes, I think that there are about 65g in a lb. of meat although it varies with different meats like poultry. Looking forward to hearing about your losses!!
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I know how to do VLC without thinking about anything. I am still not sure how to measure protein. I will have to buy a scale since my beef doesn't have weights on the packages. I think I can eat 1 pound of meat a day and stay under the 80-90g.
It really depends upon the meat. Fatty meat has less protein but when I put 1 pound of 75/25 ground beef in ****** it has 115 grams of protein. 1 pound of ribeye is 123 grams of protein. 1 pound of chicken breast has 134 grams of protein!

This is why I've found it so hard to reduce protein. It just looks so little on the plate.
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Well, heck , then I am probably WAY over on protein !! haha ! Big carnivore here....

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It really depends upon the meat. Fatty meat has less protein but when I put 1 pound of 75/25 ground beef in ****** it has 115 grams of protein. 1 pound of ribeye is 123 grams of protein. 1 pound of chicken breast has 134 grams of protein!

This is why I've found it so hard to reduce protein. It just looks so little on the plate.
Yes, this is what I have found very confusing. Even in his latest book Dr. Bernstein talks about estimating protein by dividing #g by 6 to equal 1oz. So using that method, I was looking at 60g per day / by 6 = 10oz. That is definitely not the case Chicken in particular was a real shock.

I'm working on it and have stayed just below my 60g for most of the last week (except for yesterda). Oh, eggs do work out well with 1egg being 6g so 2 for breakfast seems to be ok.
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I have been using my food tracker to provide the approx. g of protein. Now I wonder how accurate some of those figures are?

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