BMR!!! Eating To your BMR... No Matter What! - Page 68

Ilpirata · 12-29-2008, 09:51 AM

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Congratulations!

I stand by my suggestion to you (awhile back) to carb-cycle and/or zig-zag calories.

Thanks HB! I'm DEFINATELY zig-zagging the calories now... massively! I'm very very hopeful that I will be able to drop some pounds this way! (and I DO remember that suggestion way way back it looks like you were right)

Ilpirata · 12-29-2008, 09:51 AM

Well WE love you Zer! Vicks and all.

hummingbird11 · 12-29-2008, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Ilpirata

Thanks HB! I'm DEFINATELY zig-zagging the calories now... massively! I'm very very hopeful that I will be able to drop some pounds this way! (and I DO remember that suggestion way way back it looks like you were right)

Girl, having figured out your thyroid issue and now zigzagging, YOU are on the path to SUCCESS in 2009 !!!!!

I'm soooo HAPPY for you !!!!!

Ilpirata · 12-29-2008, 12:40 PM

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Girl, having figured out your thyroid issue and now zigzagging, YOU are on the path to SUCCESS in 2009 !!!!! I'm soooo HAPPY for you !!!!!

Thanks Doll! I'm excited. Glad to see you posting alot again!

hummingbird11 · 12-29-2008, 01:13 PM

Thanks!
I was AWOL for almost 2 months ~ it's GOOD to be back!
(but RATS! I brought a few extra lbs with me!

)

well THAT'll teach me to stay away from LCF for too long!

I'm back and I'm back with a VENGEANCE for Weight Loss!!

Zer · 12-31-2008, 04:48 AM

380# today...up 2.6# from 377.4(12/1)...sigh...
It's been difficult, finding my way, the past 2mos.

Looks as if I show a 52.4# loss in 2008,
or just since I got my scale on 2/08(432.4).

That's not a lot, but it's something I can build on. I've learned a lot about LC healthy food choices this year at LCFriends. I'm grateful to have found this site.

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Originally Posted by Zer

As I glance back, I see 420#(1/07), 432.4(2/08) as markers for past years. Nice to know that I'm at a lower weight today!

Resolution for 2009? Better health. Better LC choices. Better portion control when making LC choices - still a battle for me, a final frontier, to eat as if I am nourishing cells by providing a few mouthfuls of protein-fat every few hours. Someday I hope to be able to nosh on LC snacks for nourishment, with no regrets for having eating too much at one sitting. My goal is to eat as a French person, tasting a variety of foods at each sitting in a few bites. Then to move more, as a healthy person aware of how moving aids digestion and improves muscle tone. More simple hourly activity!

And I am today grateful for the body parts that still work, even as I struggle with a hinky left hip/groin pain. OUCH!

hummingbird11 · 12-31-2008, 12:25 PM

[COLOR="DarkOrchid"]Hau'oli Makahiki Hou!![/COLOR]
(Happy New Year! in Hawaiian)

retroworx · 12-31-2008, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Zer

Resolution for 2009? Better health. Better LC choices.

BEST WISHES FOR '09, Zer!

Zer · 12-31-2008, 01:31 PM

Right back atcha, Retro! Thanks for your incredible support in 2008!

Zer · 01-02-2009, 08:36 AM

Ilpirata, are we going to start a new thread for 2009? Lots of great info in this thread, of course. I'm aiming for a 2#/week average loss in 2009, having had a 1#/week average loss in 2008. Surely I can manage 2#/week at this weight!

hummingbird11 · 01-02-2009, 06:34 PM

FYI

http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/ma...amento-ca.html

Zer · 01-05-2009, 03:32 PM

Interesting thread on fertile eggs now available at Trader Joe's, for folks who like the idea of eating eggs from happy hens whose social life includes roosters and maybe a healthy variety of bugs, snails and random meaty things that add nutrition to an egg and make that yolk pure gold!

Ilpirata · 01-06-2009, 09:26 AM

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Ilpirata, are we going to start a new thread for 2009? Lots of great info in this thread, of course. I'm aiming for a 2#/week average loss in 2009, having had a 1#/week average loss in 2008. Surely I can manage 2#/week at this weight!

I think you should start it Zer! I'm not really following this WOE anymore... I'm now doing the Alternate Day Diet... but I'd love to use the thread to keep in touch with anyone. Although, this thread being a sticky and all perhaps just leave this one alive at the top of the challenges.

retroworx · 01-08-2009, 04:39 AM

So what's the conclusion of eating to BMR? (After 68 pages of posts!

) Overall, how did everyone do on this long-term? Can folks report in?

I'll start.

While I had some initial weight loss in the first few days after I increased my calories to BMR, it did not turn out to be a consistent result for me. It's unclear whether the very few pounds lost initially was actually from the increased calories or the increased fat intake, as I had been on fairly low fat prior to the BMR experiment.

Anyone else want to sum up their experience?

P.S. My favorite part about BMR was getting to know Zer.

Zer · 01-08-2009, 05:16 AM

Aw, shucks... thank you... nice way to start the day, with warm words from a LC partner at LCFriends! Truth is, I had a real struggle to eat up to my BMR as often as it probably takes. I did get better at using FitDay, just to see how my fat was adding up. Astonishing how much fat it takes to get up to 70% and I got to plotting and finagling how much protein I could get into me as fast as I could shovel. Turns out sardines are a rich fatty protein. Lucky me, for I ate sardines during my carby years (mostly on Triscuits, which I do not now eat), so sardines and I are comfy with each other. I get mine by the case, now that Trader Joe's got undependable about stocking the filets in olive oil that I like.

As I check out my food diary, I see that my body seems to prefer a 48hr cycle that gives me a day of rest from stuffing myself to get up to my target ranges.

So I am kind of following Ilpirata to an Alternate-Day plan. I think that will fit my current situation, being not too mobile and not too active. As I take off a few more pounds - and my chiro works his magic on my hinky hip - I am hopeful that I can be more active. At that time, maybe... just maybe... I shall look again at eating up to my BMR each and every dang day. Maybe.

Ilpirata · 01-08-2009, 11:00 AM

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P.S. My favorite part about BMR was getting to know Zer.

Well, ME TOO! And everyone else on this thread! Courntey, HB, Retro... so many other great ladies.

So here's my final analysis... Eating to BMR helped me succesfully break a 3 month stall. It definately has its merits especially for those of us who have chronically undereaten and yo yo'd in the past.

I was recently diagnosed hypo and know that is part of the reason losing weight is so difficult for me.

Ultimately though I stalled out again eating to BMR and have reached the conclusion that it is the SAMENESS of my day to day eating patterns that gets me into a rut. I believe I need MORE of an overall calorie deficit in order to lose weight. However, I still believe in the idea of getting close to an AVERAGE BMR for a week or a month as opposed to eating to BMR every single day. Thus my new WOE the alternate day diet which actually still gives me an AVERAGE calorie total of approx BMR. Its just not day after day after day of the same calories.

So, the idea has merit but ultimately daily BMR eating was NEVER going to get me to goal.

Sybilizedliving · 01-08-2009, 08:35 PM

I didn't feel it was an effective way for me to generate fat loss. However, it was a satisfying level of food to consume.

This month I'm experimenting with dropping calories (1400-1600) and carbs (under 20) and decreasing my exercise (no HIIT/cardio, 2 strength training sessions per week, casual beach walking/swimming/yoga as fits into my schedule) - down from 5-6 days a week, 90 minutes a day, combo ST and cardio.

In 2008, I lost an average of 3/4 pound per week, which seems incredibly slow but I did hear one physician on a podcast indicate that 1/2 pound per week was a good pace for fat removal. My first thought was "at that rate I'll be at this FOREVER" but then I realized that I will INDEED be at this forever as LC is not a diet for me - it's the way I intend to eat for the rest of my life because of the SCIENCE and HEALTH aspect of it - not exclusively because of the fat loss. That made me feel better about my 2008 fat removal number.

Ilpirata · 01-09-2009, 09:38 AM

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In 2008, I lost an average of 3/4 pound per week, which seems incredibly slow but I did hear one physician on a podcast indicate that 1/2 pound per week was a good pace for fat removal. My first thought was "at that rate I'll be at this FOREVER" but then I realized that I will INDEED be at this forever as LC is not a diet for me - it's the way I intend to eat for the rest of my life because of the SCIENCE and HEALTH aspect of it - not exclusively because of the fat loss. That made me feel better about my 2008 fat removal number.

Good for you Sybil! And I agree with you. 3/4 LBS a week of ACTUAL FAT REMOVAL (I love that phrase) is really really good. Keep it up Sister.

Sybilizedliving · 01-11-2009, 03:14 PM

Thanks Kisha. I continue to 'watch' you and your progress. Best wishes on your UD/DD process! I have read it with interest but I just don't know if I can do the down days or not. My willingness fluctuates daily.

2muttsmom · 01-12-2009, 07:23 AM

Good morning ladies - I have been AWOL as well.

I moved away from BMR eating because 1) I got tired of measuring/calculating everything and 2) some days I just don't want that much food. But it did help me see how much food I can and probably should eat in a day and that starving myself doesn't improve weightloss.

So, I'm back to eating one large meal and a small meal or even just a snack depending on how busy I am. But that's the way I've always eaten - I'm not much of an all day snacker and never have been. I'm just making sure that the meals I do eat are loaded with fat and plenty of calories - mostly meat and some fat - often cheese - and some veggies.

It seems to be working. I think I lost 36 pounds by the end of the year, which is slightly under 1.5 pounds a week since inception. That does include induction, so I'm figuring avg a pound a week, so I'm happy with that.

HERE'S TO A WONDERFUL 2009 FOR EVERYONE HERE!

If you guys start another thread for 2009, please include the link here somewhere. I'm going to try to get back here more often now that the holidays are over.

Blood Sugar 101 · 01-27-2009, 05:58 PM

Very interesting thread.

My BMR is so low that eating to it isn't an issue. 1,193 calories a day. What fun it is being old and short.

I won't eat below that level because it turns into one of those horrible starvation diets and even with protein and fat it is NOT satistfying. My tummy is larger than my BMR and it gets empty at 800 calories!

sheri644 · 02-06-2009, 08:40 AM

I just tried the BMR calculator. Thanks for the info.

Zer · 02-08-2009, 11:56 AM

Weighed myself today to see what a year of owning a scale adds up to, as contrasted to decades of NOT owning a scale and never really knowing what I weigh. For my money, owning a scale is a better way to live!

<== See my stats for a year's weight loss since I got my talking scale!

Ilpirata · 02-08-2009, 02:17 PM

WTG Zer! You really hung in there all last year.
Proud of you!

Zer · 02-08-2009, 06:46 PM

Don't know which I am more excited about - your proximity to ONEderLand or my hope of seeing a weight just under 370 on my talking scale - someday soon!

Ilpirata · 02-09-2009, 11:45 AM

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Don't know which I am more excited about - your proximity to ONEderLand or my hope of seeing a weight just under 370 on my talking scale - someday soon!

I MADE IT ON SATURDAY MORNING!!!!

LoraJR72 · 02-09-2009, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Ilpirata

I MADE IT ON SATURDAY MORNING!!!!

Oh, Yeah!

01-08-2009, 04:39 AM	#2024
retroworx MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 2,160 Gallery: retroworx	So what's the conclusion of eating to BMR? (After 68 pages of posts! ) Overall, how did everyone do on this long-term? Can folks report in? I'll start. While I had some initial weight loss in the first few days after I increased my calories to BMR, it did not turn out to be a consistent result for me. It's unclear whether the very few pounds lost initially was actually from the increased calories or the increased fat intake, as I had been on fairly low fat prior to the BMR experiment. Anyone else want to sum up their experience? P.S. My favorite part about BMR was getting to know Zer. __________________ -Retroworx [COLOR="Blue"]Maintenance is a BITCH!* [/COLOR] Last edited by retroworx; 01-08-2009 at 04:42 AM..

01-08-2009, 08:35 PM	#2027
Sybilizedliving Senior LCF Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 276 Gallery: Sybilizedliving Stats: 274/209/154 WOE: Atkins Start Date: July 2007 (300 highest weight)	I didn't feel it was an effective way for me to generate fat loss. However, it was a satisfying level of food to consume. This month I'm experimenting with dropping calories (1400-1600) and carbs (under 20) and decreasing my exercise (no HIIT/cardio, 2 strength training sessions per week, casual beach walking/swimming/yoga as fits into my schedule) - down from 5-6 days a week, 90 minutes a day, combo ST and cardio. In 2008, I lost an average of 3/4 pound per week, which seems incredibly slow but I did hear one physician on a podcast indicate that 1/2 pound per week was a good pace for fat removal. My first thought was "at that rate I'll be at this FOREVER" but then I realized that I will INDEED be at this forever as LC is not a diet for me - it's the way I intend to eat for the rest of my life because of the SCIENCE and HEALTH aspect of it - not exclusively because of the fat loss. That made me feel better about my 2008 fat removal number. __________________ Sybil My Blogs: http://sybilizedliving.wordpress.com

01-12-2009, 07:23 AM	#2030
2muttsmom Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: St. Louis MO Posts: 476 Gallery: 2muttsmom Stats: 212/158/140 WOE: LC my way Start Date: 07/09/08	Good morning ladies - I have been AWOL as well. I moved away from BMR eating because 1) I got tired of measuring/calculating everything and 2) some days I just don't want that much food. But it did help me see how much food I can and probably should eat in a day and that starving myself doesn't improve weightloss. So, I'm back to eating one large meal and a small meal or even just a snack depending on how busy I am. But that's the way I've always eaten - I'm not much of an all day snacker and never have been. I'm just making sure that the meals I do eat are loaded with fat and plenty of calories - mostly meat and some fat - often cheese - and some veggies. It seems to be working. I think I lost 36 pounds by the end of the year, which is slightly under 1.5 pounds a week since inception. That does include induction, so I'm figuring avg a pound a week, so I'm happy with that. HERE'S TO A WONDERFUL 2009 FOR EVERYONE HERE! If you guys start another thread for 2009, please include the link here somewhere. I'm going to try to get back here more often now that the holidays are over. __________________ [COLOR="Red"]Onederland 8/5/08 [/COLOR] [COLOR="RoyalBlue"]9/1/08 Goal #1: 193 (weight I started Atkins the first time 10yrs ago) 11/30/08 Goal #2: 180 (no longer obese per BMI) 1/23/09 Goal #3: 172 40 POUNDS GONE!! 5/15/09 50 pounds gone![/COLOR]

02-06-2009, 08:40 AM	#2032
sheri644 Junior LCF Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Metro Atlanta Posts: 5 Gallery: sheri644 Stats: 303/298/175 WOE: Atkins Start Date: Jan. 13, 2009	Thank You I just tried the BMR calculator. Thanks for the info.

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12-29-2008, 09:51 AM	#2012
Ilpirata Big Yapper!!!! Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Beautiful San Jose, CA Posts: 7,626 Gallery: Ilpirata Stats: 263/193/170 for now... WOE: Low Carb JUDD (Alternate Day Diet) Start Date: September 2007	Well WE love you Zer! Vicks and all.

12-29-2008, 01:13 PM	#2015
hummingbird11 HB = Healthy & Balanced Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Texan w/ Hawaiian Soul loving life in Northern California! :) Posts: 7,578 Gallery: hummingbird11 Stats: 175/149.8/145 ~ (5'8") WOE: Moderate Carb/Low Calorie ~ SEE SIGGY >>>>>>>>>>> Start Date: 1/1/08 + 9/1/09 + Every Day!	Thanks! I was AWOL for almost 2 months ~ it's GOOD to be back! (but RATS! I brought a few extra lbs with me! ) well THAT'll teach me to stay away from LCF for too long! I'm back and I'm back with a VENGEANCE for Weight Loss!!

12-31-2008, 12:25 PM	#2017
hummingbird11 HB = Healthy & Balanced Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Texan w/ Hawaiian Soul loving life in Northern California! :) Posts: 7,578 Gallery: hummingbird11 Stats: 175/149.8/145 ~ (5'8") WOE: Moderate Carb/Low Calorie ~ SEE SIGGY >>>>>>>>>>> Start Date: 1/1/08 + 9/1/09 + Every Day!	[COLOR="DarkOrchid"]Hau'oli Makahiki Hou!![/COLOR] (Happy New Year! in Hawaiian)

12-31-2008, 01:31 PM	#2019
Zer Guest Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: SoCal (N.San Diego) Posts: 9,146 Blog Entries: 43 Gallery: Zer Stats: 5'10"; 65; 508.7/_320.0_/199 WOE: Atkins: <5%Carb; J-UD/DD(<2798/560cals); 128ozH2O Start Date: Got scale at 432.4(2/8/08); 376.8(2/8/09)	Right back atcha, Retro! Thanks for your incredible support in 2008!

01-02-2009, 08:36 AM	#2020
Zer Guest Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: SoCal (N.San Diego) Posts: 9,146 Blog Entries: 43 Gallery: Zer Stats: 5'10"; 65; 508.7/_320.0_/199 WOE: Atkins: <5%Carb; J-UD/DD(<2798/560cals); 128ozH2O Start Date: Got scale at 432.4(2/8/08); 376.8(2/8/09)	Ilpirata, are we going to start a new thread for 2009? Lots of great info in this thread, of course. I'm aiming for a 2#/week average loss in 2009, having had a 1#/week average loss in 2008. Surely I can manage 2#/week at this weight!

01-02-2009, 06:34 PM	#2021
hummingbird11 HB = Healthy & Balanced Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Texan w/ Hawaiian Soul loving life in Northern California! :) Posts: 7,578 Gallery: hummingbird11 Stats: 175/149.8/145 ~ (5'8") WOE: Moderate Carb/Low Calorie ~ SEE SIGGY >>>>>>>>>>> Start Date: 1/1/08 + 9/1/09 + Every Day!	FYI http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/ma...amento-ca.html

01-05-2009, 03:32 PM	#2022
Zer Guest Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: SoCal (N.San Diego) Posts: 9,146 Blog Entries: 43 Gallery: Zer Stats: 5'10"; 65; 508.7/_320.0_/199 WOE: Atkins: <5%Carb; J-UD/DD(<2798/560cals); 128ozH2O Start Date: Got scale at 432.4(2/8/08); 376.8(2/8/09)	Interesting thread on fertile eggs now available at Trader Joe's, for folks who like the idea of eating eggs from happy hens whose social life includes roosters and maybe a healthy variety of bugs, snails and random meaty things that add nutrition to an egg and make that yolk pure gold!

01-08-2009, 05:16 AM	#2025
Zer Guest Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: SoCal (N.San Diego) Posts: 9,146 Blog Entries: 43 Gallery: Zer Stats: 5'10"; 65; 508.7/_320.0_/199 WOE: Atkins: <5%Carb; J-UD/DD(<2798/560cals); 128ozH2O Start Date: Got scale at 432.4(2/8/08); 376.8(2/8/09)	Aw, shucks... thank you... nice way to start the day, with warm words from a LC partner at LCFriends! Truth is, I had a real struggle to eat up to my BMR as often as it probably takes. I did get better at using FitDay, just to see how my fat was adding up. Astonishing how much fat it takes to get up to 70% and I got to plotting and finagling how much protein I could get into me as fast as I could shovel. Turns out sardines are a rich fatty protein. Lucky me, for I ate sardines during my carby years (mostly on Triscuits, which I do not now eat), so sardines and I are comfy with each other. I get mine by the case, now that Trader Joe's got undependable about stocking the filets in olive oil that I like. As I check out my food diary, I see that my body seems to prefer a 48hr cycle that gives me a day of rest from stuffing myself to get up to my target ranges. So I am kind of following Ilpirata to an Alternate-Day plan. I think that will fit my current situation, being not too mobile and not too active. As I take off a few more pounds - and my chiro works his magic on my hinky hip - I am hopeful that I can be more active. At that time, maybe... just maybe... I shall look again at eating up to my BMR each and every dang day. Maybe.

01-11-2009, 03:14 PM	#2029
Sybilizedliving Senior LCF Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 276 Gallery: Sybilizedliving Stats: 274/209/154 WOE: Atkins Start Date: July 2007 (300 highest weight)	Thanks Kisha. I continue to 'watch' you and your progress. Best wishes on your UD/DD process! I have read it with interest but I just don't know if I can do the down days or not. My willingness fluctuates daily.

01-27-2009, 05:58 PM	#2031
Blood Sugar 101 MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New England Posts: 1,929 Gallery: Blood Sugar 101 Stats: 1998-2007 170/142/145---2009 149/140 WOE: Varies: Insulin with 10+g carbs. Start Date: First LC diet 1998, goal 2003, continual vigilance	Very interesting thread. My BMR is so low that eating to it isn't an issue. 1,193 calories a day. What fun it is being old and short. I won't eat below that level because it turns into one of those horrible starvation diets and even with protein and fat it is NOT satistfying. My tummy is larger than my BMR and it gets empty at 800 calories!

02-08-2009, 11:56 AM	#2033
Zer Guest Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: SoCal (N.San Diego) Posts: 9,146 Blog Entries: 43 Gallery: Zer Stats: 5'10"; 65; 508.7/_320.0_/199 WOE: Atkins: <5%Carb; J-UD/DD(<2798/560cals); 128ozH2O Start Date: Got scale at 432.4(2/8/08); 376.8(2/8/09)	Weighed myself today to see what a year of owning a scale adds up to, as contrasted to decades of NOT owning a scale and never really knowing what I weigh. For my money, owning a scale is a better way to live! <== See my stats for a year's weight loss since I got my talking scale!

02-08-2009, 02:17 PM	#2034
Ilpirata Big Yapper!!!! Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Beautiful San Jose, CA Posts: 7,626 Gallery: Ilpirata Stats: 263/193/170 for now... WOE: Low Carb JUDD (Alternate Day Diet) Start Date: September 2007	WTG Zer! You really hung in there all last year. Proud of you!

02-08-2009, 06:46 PM	#2035
Zer Guest Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: SoCal (N.San Diego) Posts: 9,146 Blog Entries: 43 Gallery: Zer Stats: 5'10"; 65; 508.7/_320.0_/199 WOE: Atkins: <5%Carb; J-UD/DD(<2798/560cals); 128ozH2O Start Date: Got scale at 432.4(2/8/08); 376.8(2/8/09)	Don't know which I am more excited about - your proximity to ONEderLand or my hope of seeing a weight just under 370 on my talking scale - someday soon!