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09-24-2008, 06:32 PM
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Zer, any chance you could share that chimichurri sauce recipe?
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09-24-2008, 06:39 PM
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Big Yapper!!!!
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09-24-2008, 06:42 PM
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09-24-2008, 09:27 PM
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thanks! and about the thyroid conversion (t3 to t4) i wasn't quite clear on that.  |
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09-24-2008, 10:42 PM
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Gonna throw caution to the wind and comment here, even tho I am no doc or even a thyroid expert, but having read thru Pam's great epic thyroid thread (73 pages!) twice now, it's my understanding that what is often inconclusive from TSH results alone is subclinical hypothyroidism, for folks who fall a point or two above or below the lab "norms". These folks often benefit from additional analysis of their free T3s and 4s, to see how they fall, how well the crucial T3 is converted etc. What was the lab range when you received the TSH of 41? Cause that sounds pretty darned high to my unpracticed ear and may very well be more conclusive of hypothyroid than you are crediting. Is there a particular reason you went off of the meds? Looks at least like you were receiving T3 with your levo, so that was probably a step in the right direction. I guess I'd like to encourage you to re-explore the thyroid issue sooner rather than later, getting the recommended testing -- Free T3 and T4, antibodies, along with the TSH, and sure, do some adrenal testing too. I admire you putting such excellent and positive energy and effort into your weightloss plan, going the extra mile with the chef, working your macros, etc and I can't help but wonder if you could be even more successful with the little metabolic boost that a finely tuned thyroid might provide. You're doing all these wonderful things for yourself to improve your health and the quality of your life -- wonder if reinvestigating this should be the next step?   Respectfully,
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09-25-2008, 03:31 AM
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Retro, I quit taking thyroid meds when it became apparent that no one was at all interested in discovering anything that MIGHT shed light on why no meds for thyroid have made the least difference in how I feel. Labs are just not enough evidence that anything is touching my medical situation. The cytomel (T3) was prescribed at my request, by an MD who shrugged at my request for more of an interest in discovering what MIGHT help me. With all that indifference to me getting proper thyroid meds, I figured I might be better off just seeing what my body can manage on its own. Prior MDs have explained to me that it is a BIG DEAL to have brand name thyroid meds rather than generic, as the dosage is a relatively small one and I am often splitting tablets for a daily dosage. The HMO will not prescribe anything but a generic, and seems unaware that there CAN be better dosage from brand name than from generic. With all the lack of interest, I cannot see any reason to take pills from MDs who try to prescribe a pill to compensate for the HMO's inability to take a proper bp - and I had to buy a $50 gadget to take my own bp to PROVE that I have great bp and do not NEED any meds for the crazy bp results that inept MDs get from my batwings.
Fed up? Yep. Looking to an HMO for medical care is frustrating. I do not feel that all the years of bad dx for depression (turns out it was undx'd Asperger's and not a clinical depression for all the 35yrs that different doped up MDs handed me all sorts of antidepressant drugs) and other sadly lacking dx failures warrants me taking generic thyroid meds. I am keen to get a proper dx and to find out what might help my body function better. Sadly, I do not have an MD who is prepared to do diagnostic work on me. I am therefore falling back on a body that has survived some really bad medical care over the years. Somehow my genes manage to pull me through and I am hopeful that they will do so once again. Surely it will be an easier task as I reduce the weight that makes daily living a real challenge. I joke that my contact with medical folks - in and out of HMOs - drives me to consider Christian Science as the healthier path. I'll keep on reading about thyroid treatment and about adrenal exhaustion and repair. I am grateful for any info that I can assimilate, being a nonmedical person and not as smart about all this stuff as many are who have studied and tried different courses. Thank you for your interest. Don't sweat the TSH of 41, as it was probably done by a lab that was clueless as to what meds I was taking or not taking. I'm almost sure the range was single-digits and that I was prescribed meds that got my TSH down to an acceptable range - but so WHAT? If thyroid is not the problem and if no one is looking any further than TSH, what good is a lab test that settles for an acceptable TSH reading and does not look for why there continues to be a problem with weight and lassitude and all that stuff? AGHHHHHHH! Anyway, I'm happier NOT taking useless meds than taking them and dealing with the daily aggravation of wondering what else I can do. |
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09-25-2008, 07:44 AM
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I am self-pay on my HMO, approx $900/month(!), yet I recently had to go off-plan and pay out of pocket for decent care by a GP for my self-diagnosed (and later lab-confirmed) anemia and hypothyroidism. Neither of these 2 things should be rocket science, but my HMO GP does not know what tests to order nor how to interpret the ones I insisted be taken. I usually get 10 minutes of her time after waiting for 2 hours. My initial intake with my out-of-pocket doctor was 2 hours and some of the best money I've ever spent if her treatment program for my anemia and thyroid (and possible B12) deficiencies improves my health, but really, how ridiculous to be paying for insurance and then having to pay again elsewhere for actual treatment!  I found this article to be eye-opening: (from SmartMoney.com) [COLOR="RoyalBlue"]10 Things Your HMO Doctor Won't Tell You ROSEMARY DUDLEY TRUSTED her HMO doctor. After all, she worked in his office as his nurse. So, in late 1997, when he told her a CAT scan showed no recurrence of the cancer she'd battled for two years, she believed him. And she wasn't surprised when he insisted that a referral to a cancer specialist for the knot on her jaw wasn't necessary. Her health maintenance organization paid him thousands in bonuses for holding the line on such costs. About four months later, Dudley came to know something else. Her cancer had returned, crawling beneath the skin on her face. A January 1998 CAT scan — ordered by another physician — showed it had moved to her lungs and to the bones in her ribs, hips and legs. It was terminal. Two years later, the 67-year-old Texas woman decided to sue her doctor and former employer — who testified that the reason he didn't like referring to the oncologist was because she interfered with his patients' care. Dudley, along with a separate group of patients and a group of Fort Worth-area physicians, also sued the HMO that offered docs the financial incentives, Harris Methodist Health Plan. Harris paid almost $6 million to settle those two class-action suits, plus resolved Dudley's case in an undisclosed settlement. Meanwhile, the Texas Department of Insurance fined Harris $100,000, citing a state law banning financial incentives that provide an inducement to limit necessary care. It ordered the HMO to pay another $3.4 million to doctors financially penalized under the plan. While it's generally difficult to sue HMOs for malpractice, the cases against Harris instead focused on treatment incentives and disincentives, which can be illegal under Texas law. Also in 2000, ruling in another case, the U.S. Supreme Court said such incentives don't violate an HMO's fiduciary duty under federal law. "In an HMO system, a physician's financial interest lies in providing less care, not more," Supreme Court Justice David Souter said. "No HMO organization could survive without some incentive connecting physician reward with treatment rationing." That ruling calls into question the various laws against incentives and disincentives in Texas and 22 other states. It also raises the issue: If such incentives are legal, how could they affect your care? Following are some things your doctor won't tell you as you sit across from him on the examining table, backside to the breeze. He may not even admit them to himself — or if you're lucky enough to have a conscientious doctor, they may not matter much. Not every HMO uses all these measures to pressure docs into limiting care. But you can bet the contract your doctor signed with your HMO contains a few. 1. "If I order expensive treatments for you, the cost might come out of my pocket." In the Texas case, Harris ranked physicians based on how much their patients cost the HMO. It then withheld up to 50% of the base pay of doctors who ordered a lot of care, with the holdback dangled as an incentive to get their numbers in line. Otherwise, they'd lose the money. Plus, doctors who prescribed more than a set limit for drugs had to make up as much as 35% of the excess, deducted from their pay. 2. "On the other hand, if I order up less care, your HMO might send me a bonus check." Cynthia Herdrich, the Illinois patient in the Supreme Court case, waited 14 days after going to her HMO doctor for pain in her groin before getting the expensive test that diagnosed her problem. Unfortunately, by then her appendix had burst, infecting her abdominal cavity. After finding out that her HMO gave year-end bonuses to doctors who, among other things, economized on the use of diagnostic tests, she sued it, claiming it had violated its fiduciary duty to her as a patient. The Supreme Court held that an HMO's fiduciary duty doesn't stretch that far under federal law. 3. "That cheap HMO you signed up for pays me only $8, or maybe $10 to $12 a month to treat you, so I hope you don't come around too often." Under a system called capitation, many HMOs pay primary-care doctors a set amount per month for each patient assigned to them. Even that amount can drop if a doctor orders too many expensive referrals or hospital stays. So, sick patients become a financial burden. Just ask Dr. Beatrice Murray, a pediatrician in Grand Rapids, Mich. She got a good reputation for treating the many problems of children born prematurely. That's what put her out of business. "The number of our special needs cases just exploded," she explains. But the monthly stipend from the HMOs didn't. The amount varied by the child's age and the HMO contract, but for a two-year-old, she says she usually got $6 to $9 a month. Which might be fine if the child was healthy. Her patients weren't. Dr. Murray says she tried to explain to the HMOs, but they seemed all too willing to lose her and her patients. The 52-year-old doctor lost her private practice this past May. She's now a salaried employee for a federally funded clinic for the poor. 4. "If you become too much of a financial drain, I have ways to make you walk." Some doctors head off the problem by saying they don't treat a certain type of (read expensive) patient. Dr. Murray recalls the mothers who brought their triplets to her, complaining they couldn't find another pediatrician who treated multiples. But sometimes the doctor already has a patient before he develops diabetes or cancer, or contracts AIDS. For those situations, there's "turf and surf," says a Texas lawyer representing seven patients who claim their health-care group discriminated against them because of their disabilities — illnesses like cancer, rheumatoid arthritis and heart problems. Doctors use tactics to grind unwanted patients into the turf, then surf them out to other doctors, says attorney Robert J. Provan, himself disabled from a bout with polio at age five. In a lawsuit and separate complaint to the U.S. Department of Justice, Provan's clients say they were left alone in exam rooms for more than an hour, forced to come to the office to pick up prescriptions that had been phoned in to their pharmacists before and made to wait inordinately long periods to get an appointment. The San Antonio clinic involved denies their claims, as well as those of a former doctor who's also a plaintiff in the case. The doctor alleges the medical group fired him because he attracted disabled patients, then refused to cut corners on their care. Which brings us to... 5. "If I treat you too aggressively, I could get kicked out of the HMO." Those contracts doctors sign with HMOs expire every one or two years. Plus, many have clauses allowing the HMO to terminate them without cause. A doctor with many contracts doesn't have to worry about losing one. But in areas where one HMO is dominant, a physician can watch his practice — and income — shrivel if the HMO deselects him. 6. "HMOs have sophisticated computer programs that let them track exactly how much my patient care is costing them. And they let me know." Many doctors receive monthly report cards from HMOs they do business with, pointing out how much care they ordered for each patient, or spent for hospital stays, tests and specialists. Those who rack up more than the average — or more than some predetermined target — may get a call from the HMO. Or maybe they'll get pinched by the methods described above. 7. "Ordering expensive treatments for you could tie me and my staff up on the phone for hours with your HMO to get approval." Dr. Linda Peeno used to be on the receiving end of such calls. Working as a medical reviewer for giant Humana, she admits she looked for reasons to reject coverage. After years of turning down treatments — including a heart transplant for a Nevada man who later died — she now works as head ethics consultant at the University of Louisville Hospital and as a paid consultant for David Boies, a lawyer better known for representing the government in its antitrust suit against Microsoft, but who's fast gaining a reputation for suing HMOs as well. Dr. Peeno remembers the early days of HMOs when doctors "would rant and rave and call me names. They were much more strongly patient advocates than they are now," she says. Docs "became slowly compliant out of fatigue and utility." 8. "You might rate less of my time if you're with one of those penny-pinching HMOs." Kenna Nevill, a 45-year-old Dallas woman, remembers asking her doctor to call her after office hours with a test result she was worried about, and being struck by his response. "He said, 'You know, I wouldn't do that for my HMO patients. But I'll do it for you.'" She had recently switched from an HMO to a PPO, or preferred provider organization. "I remember feeling like a second-class patient with an HMO." How conscious is your doctor of the kind of medical coverage you have when he sits across from you? The Texas doctor who treated Dudley said each of his patients' charts had a large stamp on the front indicating HMO, PPO or old-fashioned indemnity-type coverage. 9. "The drug I prescribe may not be the best one for you — but it's what your HMO will cover." HMOs give doctors lists of the drugs they want used. And those lists can change in the middle of a patient's treatment, says Dr. Joe Cunningham, an internist in Waco, Texas. That can mean a drug that's working might be replaced by one that won't, at least until the HMO can be convinced the more expensive medication is necessary. While this may not pose much of a problem for most patients, for those with life-threatening conditions — like seizures — it's potentially fatal, says Dr. Cunningham. 10. "If you have to go to the hospital, I may turn your care over to a doctor who works directly for the HMO." The use of doctors called hospitalists to manage patients once they're in the hospital began in the early '90s, says Dr. Peeno. These specialists have even more incentive to deny you admission or hustle you out. They're on the payroll of the HMO and, explains Peeno, "It doesn't take anybody with much sense to figure out where the incentives are there." Of course, it's naive to think that health care has ever been free of financial considerations. Under the old fee-for-service system, doctors had an incentive to provide more — perhaps harmful — care, says Dr. Charles M. Cutler, chief medical officer with the American Association of Health Plans, a trade organization representing managed-care plans. HMO incentives, he argues, are designed to "encourage physicians to think more critically about what it is that we do and to avoid waste — not to limit care." Adds Dr. Thomas Reardon, past president of the American Medical Association, "I think a doctor generally does what is right for the patient and if it hurts his income, he just absorbs that." But Dr. Cunningham, who worked on a Texas task force that studied such incentives, isn't sure that is always the case. "You don't want to walk in as a patient to a physician who is thinking, 'You know, I've spent all my allocation for this month.'"[/COLOR] Last edited by retroworx; 09-25-2008 at 07:46 AM.. |
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09-25-2008, 07:49 AM
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Way too much time on my hands!
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: suburbs of Chicago
Posts: 10,754
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Stats: 214/194/180 287 in 00
WOE: Lc for optimum health
Start Date: SBD 3/5/07,Atkins 4/18/07
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09-25-2008, 08:30 AM
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Seems to me that working for an HMO is a direct conflict to the classic Hippocratic oath, to do no harm. Should we ASK an MD if s/he takes this oath seriously? This part in particular is apparently NOT what an HMO MD dares to subscribe to:
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09-25-2008, 09:00 AM
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MAJOR LCF POSTER!
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 1,885
Gallery: WenB
Stats: 311 (h)/247.8 (i)/241 (c)/20-24% Body Fat (g)
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OMG, that sounds like my parent's HMO - when my parents moved out of state - 12 years after they started with that HMO - they discovered that Mom had been diagnosed with Congestive Heart Failure in 1994. She moved and found out about it, and started recieving treatment for CHF in 1998.
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09-25-2008, 09:11 AM
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09-25-2008, 10:44 AM
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MAJOR LCF POSTER!
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 1,885
Gallery: WenB
Stats: 311 (h)/247.8 (i)/241 (c)/20-24% Body Fat (g)
WOE: Lap Band - Atkins Modified for Candida - BMR
Start Date: Induction on 7/22/08; Surgery 12/06
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Forgot to post my info last night
BMR - 1800 Cals - 1882 Carbs - 3.1% (11 g net) Protein - 23.6% (110 g) Fat - 73.3% (152g) Water - 3 liters |
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09-25-2008, 01:24 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Iowa
Posts: 2,980
Gallery: iakaren
Stats: 191/175.5/160
WOE: LC 11/06,CAD 7/08, IF 1/09
Start Date: October 28, 2006
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I see there have been no postings on this thread since May. How is everyone doing? Anyone still trying to eat for the BMI totals?
Just curious. I calculated mine, and often don't eat that in calories. |
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09-25-2008, 01:30 PM
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Hey, we are not just a sleepy little thread. We're are percolating! Catch up!
Seriously, welcome to an informative thread on the value of eating up to BMR - no matter WHAT! - as a way of breaking loose some pounds that hang on hard! |
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09-25-2008, 02:29 PM
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09-25-2008, 06:54 PM
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Big Yapper!!!!
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Beautiful San Jose, CA
Posts: 7,626
Gallery: Ilpirata
Stats: 263/193/170 for now...
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09-25-2008, 08:58 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Ohio
Posts: 941
Blog Entries: 67
Gallery: skeeweeaka
Stats: 235/215/135
WOE: Low Carb! Alternate Day!
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Wow, sounds exactly like my HMO...sucks! It's been difficult finding a competent doctor that even wants to take the time to get to the root of the problem... I essentially gave up and just decided to try changing diet, exercise, and supplements... Especially after waiting for at least an hour only to see them for 10 minutes...only to hear of the latest synthetic hormone and how that should solve all of my problems! Oh and by the way, I waited six months just to get in...please!!!  Menu and numbers today.... FitDay Free Calorie Counter and Diet Journal:*Public Journal Hope everyone has a great day!  TJ
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Have a Beautiful, Blessed Day! YES I CAN '09![COLOR=red]Let Food Be Thy Medicine, & Let Thy Medicine Be Food...Hippocrates![/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Every day you get out that there & run, you are winning...Gharkness  [/COLOR] 235/[COLOR=red]215[/COLOR]/135Goals for this Month...1. Drink 96 ounces of water a day. 2. Exercise 3 days a week. 3. Eat at BMR at least 3 days week!
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09-26-2008, 06:00 AM
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Senior LCF Member
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Ohio
Posts: 941
Blog Entries: 67
Gallery: skeeweeaka
Stats: 235/215/135
WOE: Low Carb! Alternate Day!
Start Date: March 2008! January '09 Restart!
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Today was my weigh in day and I am down a pound today...
Happy with that because of all of the cheese that I have been eating lately...although I did cut back....Hope everyone else is doing well... TJ |
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09-26-2008, 06:07 AM
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Saturday morn is my weigh day - and I think I'm satisfied to wait 'til then for data that may or may not gladden my heart. It's just data, right. Just data. So hard not to give a lot of weight to numbers as a sign of success or failure, but it's just data... just data... not a measure of my worth as a human being or a judgment on my efforts to find a menu that my body can lose weight on.
As I work on menu items for a personal chef to prepare, I am looking to boost fat-protein as I shave carbs - striving to get <5% carbs in my daily total, while boosting fat to >70% and protein to 25% of calories as I push myself to eat up to my BMR:2423calories. Lots of targets, plus my 128oz of water daily. I'm getting better at thinking up protein-fat snacks rather than reaching for vegies that run my carbs up too high while I struggle to get to my protein target of 182g daily. As much as I like them, I've put pumpkin seeds and nuts aside as snacks. Ditto cheese as a snack food. Treats, occasionally, in carefully controlled portions. This may hold true until I get under 200# - half of what I weigh today. By then, I'll be totally addicted to bacon snacks and liverwurst snacks as well as the incredible edible egg as a snack in a shell. Slamming protein-fat snax like HB eggs and meatballs and my ever-ready sardines in olive oil is one of the ways that I've improved my LC plan. So hard to switch over from a habit to think that vegies are "free food" for snacking at will. Not so! Vegies are excellent carbs. No question about that. But vegies ARE carbs, so I am keen on increasing my list of snackable stuff - such as liverwurst (fairly new on my menu). I'm discovering that slices of braunschweiger are snackable - and do NOT require the rye bread, mayo and bread'n'butter pickle slices that I used to enjoy with liverwurst spread. A pinch of peppery fresh broccoli sprouts adds to the zest of a spicy slice of braunschweiger - and adds carbs that carry a hefty nutritional payoff in return for far fewer carbs than mature broccoli has. Sprouts ROCK! Last edited by Zer; 09-26-2008 at 06:09 AM.. |
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09-26-2008, 07:18 AM
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MAJOR LCF POSTER!
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 1,885
Gallery: WenB
Stats: 311 (h)/247.8 (i)/241 (c)/20-24% Body Fat (g)
WOE: Lap Band - Atkins Modified for Candida - BMR
Start Date: Induction on 7/22/08; Surgery 12/06
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I went looking for brocolli sprouts and I can't find them yet. Some produce hasn't made it back on the shelves yet *grumbles*
Zer, you've inspired me to try them. And liverwurst is an all time fav that I could live on. |
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09-26-2008, 12:12 PM
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Might want to start sprouting your own broccoli sprouts, to have a fresh source. Take a look at Mountain Rose Herbs dot com for some sprouting kits and seeds. I do not have a good window for sprouts. Am trying to talk a friend/chef into sprouting. She's already a gardener. Sprouting on a kitchen counter is easier!
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09-26-2008, 05:46 PM
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 I was pleasantly surprised this morning to be down 2.2lbs to only 268.2The best part is that is seems to have dropped off in the last 3-4 days. I live in a metric world, so now I can confidently say " I have lost over 10 kilos." Not that anyone has asked yet, it musn't show well yet, but I know it and one day it will show to others. |
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09-27-2008, 08:33 AM
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Quinoa, a protein-rich seed/herb
Looking at quinoa as a protein-rich food, a tad carby but full of amino acids that create proteins. My first prepacked meals from personal chef arrived. Looks like a good plan: 8oz of poached salmon fills half the Glad box, with the remaining half being split between baconfat-basted greens (rich in iron and calcium) and baconfat-basted 'shrooms with leeks, wild rice, quinoa. Just a touch of chewy wild rice (a grass seed, not quite a rice) and quinoa that looks a lot like couscous (a semolina pasta) but is really a protein-rich chewy seed of the goosefoot species of plant. Goosefoot? Funny name!
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09-27-2008, 03:57 PM
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Location: Ohio
Posts: 941
Blog Entries: 67
Gallery: skeeweeaka
Stats: 235/215/135
WOE: Low Carb! Alternate Day!
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I wish I could get two at once ! Heck it takes me weeks to lose one pound...oh well I will keep on keeping on... TJ |
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09-27-2008, 07:05 PM
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Let's talk LIVERWURST...and Vit.B-12...
Just finished up a bottle of sublingual B-12 a while back. Maybe I should get some more, just in case it will help me. Reading about Vit.B-12 deficiency, I see that drowsiness can be a symptom. I do drop off to sleep a lot. Feel as if I have been missing sleep for two years of hip-pinching and groin spasms that keep me awake at night, I am surprised at how often I wake up, usually from pain in hip or lower back, so I must be falling to sleep a lot, napping a lot, all day long, to make up for not sleeping well at night. Got to be asleep to wake up! So maybe I need some Vit.B-12. Maybe this is why I crave liverwurst. Just started adding it to my LC plan as a snack. Yummy!
Maybe it's time for me to get some labwork, to see if a Vit.B12 deficiency is part of what is happening with me. Interesting article about Vit.B-12 - by Gina Shaw (a Doctor of Science, focus on Natural Hygiene and Complementary Medicine; she is not a medical doctor) - says... Quote:
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Location: Ohio
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Stats: 235/215/135
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Hey Zer....I have been taking B12 as well but I'm not sure if it is helping me or not so after I am finished with this bottle I won't purchase any more...mine is sublinqual too... Thinking about doing very low carb this week but with higher fats to see if I can lose 2 pounds at once . Tired of one pound at a time... It's been difficult for me to break the cheese habit that I have been on so this will give me a chance to at least cut back on it as much as possible..at least the cream cheese... Making cream cheese pudding for dessert is becoming a habit and so is low carb pizza! Calories were lower today, will hopefully do better tomorrow...http://www.fitday.com/fitness/Public...keeweeaka:doh:TJ Last edited by skeeweeaka; 09-27-2008 at 07:25 PM.. |
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09-29-2008, 07:34 AM
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Way too much time on my hands!
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Try a sublingual B complex vitamin. These vitamins are essential for:
The breakdown of carbohydrates into glucose (this provides energy for the body) The breakdown of fats and proteins (which aids the normal functioning of the nervous system) Muscle tone in the stomach and intestinal tract Skin Hair Eyes Mouth Liver I use Nature's Bounty-I get it at Walgreens for about 8 bucks. |
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09-29-2008, 08:27 AM
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Thanks for reminding me of the benefits of Vit.B. I could not recall why I got the sublingual Vit.B-12, so was not sure about getting more when I finished that bottle. As you lay it out, the value of Vit.B, I figure it's worth taking, just in CASE it will help me sort myself out and become healthier.
Thanks! Last edited by Zer; 09-29-2008 at 08:29 AM.. |
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