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Old 06-07-2008, 11:31 AM   #571
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Why add cream, as I've heard that carbs + fat is a recipe for gaining weight? Anyway, there were fresh berries and peaches served for dinner. It was a surprise. That's what I saw, what I ate.

So glad no sugar was added. Don't know as I'd have added cream - fresh or sour - if I had any myself. They were just perfect, some sweet and some tart. Ah, carbs worth eating!
Processed high carbs and fat are what you are thinking of Zer. Berries are lc low glycemic and pair beautifully with fats or fats/protein like cheese. Low glycemic fruits are a healthy addition to a lc WOE-Dr. A speaks of this in DANDR.

Also fruits should be eaten with fat or protein to slow down the digestion and the impact on your blood sugar so as not to spike your insulin levels and cause further cravings and/or hunger.

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Old 06-07-2008, 11:34 AM   #572
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Zer: Even with those strawberries, look at your percentages for the day. You still made out all right. It's not like they put you at 30% carbs. I'm with you. . .strawberries are hard to resist. It's all good.
It's all good, for sure. Not a frequent thing, fresh berries. Luckily I'd chowed down on a can of salmon mixed with half a raw onion and 1/2C of mayo as a midday snack. I'm trying to cut back on the mayo, and discovered that I can eat a full can of salmon (7.5oz) at a time if I reduce the amount of mayo used. Just less bulk. I ate my salmon with 2C of slivered celery, my frequent greens as a bed for fishy-mayo mixtures. Got tired of leafy greens that don't last in the fridge and started using celery that is not separated and that keeps on growing (the leafy part grows) as I whack at it right across the whole bunch to make a gorgeous green bed of slivered celery.

It's a lot of food, to be sure: 2C of celery and 2C of salmon-mayo-onion salad. Discovered I was ravenous at 3pm, after having WPP at 1am Fri morn, so made myself a fishy meal. That's when I saw the strawberries being cut up and knew that I was going to go carby for dinner at 5:30pm. So good!
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Old 06-07-2008, 11:37 AM   #573
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It's all good, for sure. Not a frequent thing, fresh berries. Luckily I'd chowed down on a can of salmon mixed with half a raw onion and 1/2C of mayo as a midday snack. I'm trying to cut back on the mayo, and discovered that I can eat a full can of salmon (7.5oz) at a time if I reduce the amount of mayo used. Just less bulk. I ate my salmon with 2C of slivered celery, my frequent greens as a bed for fishy-mayo mixtures. Got tired of leafy greens that don't last in the fridge and started using celery that is not separated and that keeps on growing (the leafy part grows) as I whack at it right across the whole bunch to make a gorgeous green bed of slivered celery.

It's a lot of food, to be sure: 2C of celery and 2C of salmon-mayo-onion salad. Discovered I was ravenous at 3pm, after having WPP at 1am Fri morn, so made myself a fishy meal. That's when I saw the strawberries being cut up and knew that I was going to go carby for dinner at 5:30pm. So good!


Sounds like a delicous and healthy choice Zer! You are eating for your health and you seem like you are doing a great job. Now I want some some strawberries and cottage cheese!
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Old 06-07-2008, 11:39 AM   #574
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Thanks for refreshing me on fats + low-glycemic fruits...

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Processed high carbs and fat are what you are thinking of Zer. Berries are lc low glycemic and pair beautifully with fats or fats/protein like cheese. Low glycemic fruits are a healthy addition to a lc WOE-Dr. A speaks of this in DANDR.

Also fruits should be eaten with fat or protein to slow down the digestion and the impact on your blood sugar so as not to spike your insulin levels and cause further cravings and/or hunger.
Ah, good. The leftover beef wienies that I ate while eyeballing my strawberries and peaches no doubt gave me fat. Found the wienies a bit salty, as leftover wieners tend to be. But the berries were perfection, as happens with the first berries of the season.

Glad to know that my excess calories were not a total disaster for a LC plan.
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Old 06-07-2008, 11:42 AM   #575
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Ah, good. The leftover beef wienies that I ate while eyeballing my strawberries and peaches no doubt gave me fat. Found the wienies a bit salty, as leftover wieners tend to be. But the berries were perfection, as happens with the first berries of the season.

Glad to know that my excess calories were not a total disaster for a LC plan.
Perfectly healthy choice. Just bought some fresh strawberries today-a small container of blueberries was 4.79-outrageous! And I am having a craving for them too. Can't wait until the farmers mkts get going full swing.
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Almost 3pm and I thought it might be interesting to see how my intake adds up so far, given that I tried something new - doping my sardines with VCO as well as Mrs.Dash's ExtraSpicy seasoning. Radical! The fishies seemed dry to me as I mooshed them up, so I adding 2Tbs VCO and mooshed some more. Oh, MY!!!
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......grams . cals ........%total
Total: 1892cals toward BMR:2423cals... about 500cals short of min.
Fat: 153 1379 ..............74%
Sat: 88 796 43%
Poly: 3 23 1%
Mono: 15 133 7%
Carbs: 42g 110 .............6%
Fiber: 15 0 0%
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this is a great thread...who has done this the longest and what has your total weight loss been since you started eating at your BMR?
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Old 06-07-2008, 04:57 PM   #578
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Oops! Wanted to set the record straight. . .I am only down 2.2 pounds since I started eating to my BMR. I was looking at Monday's weight to calculate, which is the wrong day. I'm still happy with it, though!
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Old 06-07-2008, 07:03 PM   #579
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this is a great thread...who has done this the longest and what has your total weight loss been since you started eating at your BMR?
There are quite a few of us that have been doing it since day one of this challenge... I think its been three weeks? Some of use (Laura comes to mind) were alreayd eating to BMR.

Personally I weighed in this morning at 211. Down from a starting challenge weight of 218. So seven pounds down in three weeks! OMG. This is AFTER an almost three month stall!!!!!!
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Doing great... my calories and carbs were low so I indulged a little (one scoop of coconut ice cream!). I'm down about 3 pounds since the middle of last week. This is working for me so far!

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Fat: 131 1177 63%
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Personally I weighed in this morning at 211. Down from a starting challenge weight of 218. So seven pounds down in three weeks! OMG. This is AFTER an almost three month stall!!!!!!
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This starts my 5th day, after the first day the scale has not moved at all for me, but it is really too early for me too tell, four days just doesn't tell you anything at all

BMR 1608
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Yesterday finished up with 1622 calories and 19.8 carbs. Barely made it over my BMR and don't like that I had to drink a hvy cream nightcap to get there. Going to try harder today to get the calories in spread out over the day and to watch out for carb creep, I am really having to work at keeping them down with the added calories.
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Old 06-08-2008, 07:12 AM   #583
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402.2...still paying for those strawberries, I guess...

402.2 at my 4th month of owning a scale to collect accurate data - and I can see that I am bOunCing up, alas, and may have to white-knuckle it today to keep from any WhatTheHeck carbing.

More important to focus on fish&eggs today, as I watch carbs and push harder to get closer to my 182gProtein target while I accomplish my target BMR:2423cals.

It's just data. It's just data. It's just data.
I need and want accurate data.

But I liked my scale a lot more the other day, when it flashed a fast 399# at me while choosing the data to give me as a weight reading for the day. Sigh.

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There are quite a few of us that have been doing it since day one of this challenge... I think its been three weeks? Some of use (Laura comes to mind) were alreayd eating to BMR.

Personally I weighed in this morning at 211. Down from a starting challenge weight of 218. So seven pounds down in three weeks! OMG. This is AFTER an almost three month stall!!!!!!
Ilpriata!

I decided to ditch calorie counting this week while on induction. I'm on vacation and flying out to AZon Tuesday. I doubt I want to spend time on a computer while there!
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Yesterday I ended up eating a little under my target of 1800, but never-go-below number is 1730.

Total: 1777
Fat: 145 1302 74%
Sat: 50 452 26%
Poly: 34 306 18%
Mono: 36 323 18%
Carbs: 30 103 6%
Fiber: 4 0 0%
Protein: 86 344 20%
Alcohol: 0 0 0%

However, we ended up going to our friends' house and having some drinks after dinner. To save myself the carbs, I DID stick to diet soda and plain alcohol (I usually go for the flavored Malibu rum, which has sugar in it), however, the drink sizes kept getting bigger as the night progressed. At 64 calories per ounce, I probably had 5-600 extra calories last night. . .and a very heavy head this morning.

On the plus side, though, I was down a whole 1.8 pounds this morning from yesterday! I even weighed myself 3-4 times just to be sure. I hope it sticks.

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So far, so good, for a Sunday in SoCal...at 402.2# (sigh)...

Barely recovered from delivery of data (402.2#) by scales early on 6/8/08, I retreated to my bed, to dream of waking a few pounds lighter. At noon I faced facts that I had to get busy whipping up what I shall eat today to get up to my BMR:2423cals and to get as close to my target 182gProtein as I can manage. Salmon & onion with scant mayo, celery, HB eggs - that's the menu for a LC Sunday. Add to that some cayenne peanuts left by a kind soul for a willing snarfle by a passing person - ME!

Soon I had whipped up 15oz salmon, 2C chopt onions, 2C slivered celery, with a scant cup of mayo to lubricate the pink fishy salad. Added 2Tbs of VCO to finish that jar, so I can open the next jar. Boiled 6 eggs, two in fridge for mañana and four for today. No mayo on eggs, just salt. Got to save my mayo calories for fishy-mayo mixtures, where it's essential!

At 2pm, I'd ingested about half of the day's menu. So full! Rather pleased with myself, for undertaking to eat 15oz of wild-caught red salmon in one day. That's a lot of fish! Surely that will convince my metabolism that it can let go of a few ounces of fat, that this body is not in famine or starvation mode. Let's hope my body is listening!

Peppery peanuts? All gone now. About 2oz, I figure. Spicy. Nice.

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Food was managed well today, 2092 calories, 68% fat, 26g carbs/6%, 134g protein/26%. I did weigh in at the gym. Still stuck.

I've been wondering if I need to try again to take in less...sigh.
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great I'm glad to hear all your progress. Last week I was 170-175lbs...scared to check..Im 30 years old female and have started working out 30 min per day, I'm also 5'6...I gotta figure out my BMR!...
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Fat: 135 1214 69%
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Mono: 45 404 23%
Carbs: 17 64 4%
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My BMR is 1730, I shoot for 1800 cal per day.

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Food was managed well today, 2092 calories, 68% fat, 26g carbs/6%, 134g protein/26%. I did weigh in at the gym. Still stuck.

I've been wondering if I need to try again to take in less...sigh.
In the interest of full and complete disclosure I will tell you what I found in reviewing my fitday numbers. I have been eating to BMR almost every single day - which I was NOT doing before. Except on Fridays it looks like I am just undershooting it. This is because of my Friday schedule I just don't have the opportunity to eat alot. Looking back it looks like my Fridays are all about 1600 calories - my BMR is 1775. I wonder if this is helping me lose? That one lower day but all the rest higher? I really don't think dropping your calories down on a consistent basis is a good idea... I think you know thats not the answer also. If you have really reached a point of total frustration though, maybe one day a week at a lower calorie level? (NEVER below 1200 of course and not for more than a day at a time) just a thought...
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I gave up on eating at 9pm, put the uneaten food in the fridge for tomorrow.

That's it for today. Cannot eat another bite. Well, I did consider having a bowl of cereal and milk as I passed the kitchen, but I kept on moving away from the temptation. Why is it when I am "too full" to eat another bite of protein, that I can gulp down carby stuff? Why? WHY??? Will it ever be so, I wonder?

Anyway, I'm refilling my water jugs for the last time today and hoping that I'll awaken Monday filled with a desire to finish my salmon salad and the HB eggs that I could not manage to finish today. All good. All protein-rich, nourishing.

And I really DID dodge the urge to carb myself into a stupor with cereal/milk.

Guess I'll take that small credit - and a nice compliment I got from a neighbor who says I really show a BIG change. I told her that I feel pretty heavy and that my scale is giving me only small changes. It's true. Ounces at a time, gone and then back again. Thank goodness I'm not toting the full 500# that I once weighed, a while back. This heat is hard enough at 400#.

So, that said, I am still a believer in the BMR theory. Just did not make it, quite, today. Close, but no cigar. I'm glad others are making their goals. Helps me to hear how you manage. Helps me to believe that I too can do it.

G'night, all. Sweet dreams of a thinner body, moving gracefully. Ah, yes!
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Apparently the difference between weighing oneself at 10am and weighing oneself at 6am is about 1.8 pounds. Yesterday's loss (that showed up at 10am) is gone today (at 6am.)

<sigh>

I thought it was too good to be true. . .

I am still struggling to eat more of my calories earlier in the day. I'm sure it's not helping me to eat 2 hamburger patties for dinner and STILL need to have a small protein shake after that. It's just too much in the evening. My rule used to be no eating after 7pm. I think I need to go back to that AND do a better job of eating more throughout the day.

I gotta go pack my lunch. . .

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Week three completed of eating no less than BMR. Have tracked every day and am quite sure I am tracking accurately. Scale was up 4 pounds this morning. I'm not pleased but I'm not panicked either. I recognize that the scale jumps around a bit - the amount of jump is a bit unusual though.

yes, I had a surgery this week. yes, I have had to take a break from exercise. However, I too am questioning whether I need to either carb cycle or drop my calories. What I've decided for now is to stop tracking for the next two weeks as I leave on holiday in 3 days and will not have access to the computer. I'm going to eat to hunger and continue to keep my carbs low (under 30 net). Will be very interested to see how everyone is doing in 2 weeks - not to mention interested in how I'm doing!

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New battle plan...

Settling for kudos - like tatty medals given to those who survive a battle action or who succumb with distinction - for dodging carby temptations yesterday, as I failed to eat sufficient protein and surely missed my BMR by more than a few calories, I am working on a new battle plan for hitting my targets - BMR:2423cals, 182gProtein - while holding carbs to 5% of my caloric intake. I can DO this. It's NOT brain surgery. It's just EATING (for gawd's sake). Fixing, chewing, swallowing. I.CAN.DO.THIS!

The new battle plan? Ah, as I snarfled my WPP this morning (which I skipped doing yesterday, probably my first mistake of a ditzy day), I wrote it into my food diary - 43gProtein (1/4 of my targeted 182gProtein) and 800cals (1/3 of my targeted BMR:2423cals) - and it dawned on me that might help me achieve my day's goals, that rating each meal as some portion of the targeted goal is a way to stay abreast of my plan to arrive at sunset with good LC numbers.

I'm tired of losing battles daily - and still hoping to win a war against blubber.

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What an interesting thread! Fat is a high-energy food!!!

All of a sudden, I 'get it' about why fat has more calories - it has more energy!
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I am taking nutrition as a pre-req for nursing school, and we are learning about energy yields of different foods, and FAT (butter, oils, etc) yields 9 kilocalories per gram, while Protein and Carbs (both!) only yield 4 kilocalories per gram!

If you are counting calories, then you would think about cutting the fat so you would be ingesting fewer calories. BUT if you are trying to keep your energy up while you are losing weight, then you NEED ENERGY-DENSE FOODS!

SOOOO, why tell people to cut the fat in their diet?? They would need to eat MORE to meet their energy needs! ESPECIALLY if they are working out too!!!
I'm thinking to take a Tbs of VCO every 3hrs, just to see how it affects my personal energy level. Sure will boost my calories! Let's see. Tolerable. Just let it melt in my mouth. Easy-peasy. Eating fat to burn fat. Let's HOPE!

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Old 06-09-2008, 02:03 PM   #597
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I'm thinking to take a Tbs of VCO every 3hrs, just to see how it affects my personal energy level. Sure will boost my calories! Let's see. Tolerable. Just let it melt in my mouth. Easy-peasy. Eating fat to burn fat. Let's HOPE!
Not a bad idea! (especially if you find it palattable)
I don't know if I'd be able to eat to my BMR without my minimum 2T of CO every day.
The days I don't get my TBS at breakfast? Famished all day!
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Oopsie poopsie...too much VCO in my intestinal tract!

TMI? Yeah, and too much VCO too. I won't be doing THAT again real soon!
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Old 06-09-2008, 09:14 PM   #599
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I got weird totals today:
Total: cals-2148
Fat: 129 1165 55%
Sat: 51 458 22%
Poly: 33 301 14%
Mono: 36 327 16%
Carbs: 29 92 4%
Fiber: 6 0 0%
Protein: 211 846 40%
Alcohol: 0 0 0%


I think because I'm out of heavy cream and had to use evaporated milk? My fat is usually 70%!
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Old 06-10-2008, 04:01 AM   #600
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I just barely made it yesterday. . .but I did go down .4 this morning.

Total: 1753
Fat: 140 1256 73%
Sat: 38 341 20%
Poly: 18 160 9%
Mono: 36 320 18%
Carbs: 28 94 5%
Fiber: 5 0 0%
Protein: 95 381 22%
Alcohol: 0 0 0%


I'm gonna go pack my lunch and other goodies to try to eat more while at work. I'll do better today.
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