BMR!!! Eating To your BMR... No Matter What!

[hummingbird11]

is that you in your avi? you look like a movie star!

Originally Posted by LoraJR72

So do I!

My nutritionist gave me the ok to start low-carbing after my vacation. I have the correct DANDR book and got the shopping guide. If I eat cheese, stick to cottage cheese. For some reason I feel "funny" when I eat cheese these days. It is good but I'd rather eat a juicy peace of fruit instead. She said it will help my binges and I will be able to eat the protein and get the iron I need to feel less weak.

I'm a member of the new 2008 Mid-Year Resolution and this is is a good way to start.

[Cyard]

**kicking the ground** stupid scale is UP. It just read 214!!!!!!!!! Ok, I did just eat and it is TOM, but still. I'm pouting. Also went WAY overboard today. I'm embarassed

Total: 2351
Fat: 186 1677 72%
Sat: 53 479 21%
Poly: 33 298 13%
Mono: 74 670 29%
Carbs: 63 181 8%
Fiber: 18 0 0%
Protein: 118 472 20%
Alcohol: 0 0 0%

[Coconutty]

Today I made it up to 2629 cals, with 2640 being my BMR. I have to admit that seeing that number makes be a bit uncomfortable... But it is done.


Total: 2629
Fat: 206 1850 72%
Sat: 52 465 18%
Poly: 21 185 7%
Mono: 35 312 12%
Carbs: 32 85 3%
Fiber: 11 0 0%
Protein: 156 624 24%
Alcohol: 0 0 0%

I have to say that I did not keep my date with the piratey balls, but I made bacon cheese puffs, which seems to be a powerhouse of calories in a tiny little package. These things are not large at all and I can pop down 2 or 3 with no problem.

Here's the recipe:
Bacon Cheese Puffs

1/2 cup heavy cream
3 eggs
1/4 cup atkins bake mix --
can substitute other mix or protein powder
1 pound bacon -- chopped & cooked till crisp
1 pinch salt
3/4 teaspoon black pepper
1 cup grated cheddar cheese

Beat together eggs, cream, bake mix, pepper, salt. Stir in bacon &
cheese. Bake in greased muffin tin. Bake at 350F, 25 minutes. Makes 12 muffins.

For the bake mix, I used almond meal. After analyzing the recipe I found that it has 293 cals, 23g fat, 1 carb, and 18g protein, per muffin. Like I said, these things are not very big, so I think I'm going to freeze them and break them out in case of a calorie emergency!

[dointhis4me]

Evening everyone! Checking in with todays numbers.....


Total: 1776
Fat: 129 1157 67%
Carbs: 45 119 7%
Fiber: 15 0 0%
Protein: 115 459 26%

Got my 3 miles in on the bike tonight too

I wanted to be at 177.0 by this weekend, that gives me one more day! This morning I was 177.2 so I am hoping it will happen

[Ilpirata]

gotta write and run.

Courtney, don't worry yourself! Its TOM. Give yourself just a tiny break ok? I have retained like nutso crazy the only time I've gotten TOM lately. Stay of the scale until at least the day after its done. You're just torturing yourself. K?

Those cheesy bacon things look good Elisa! If only I had a piratey house husband to cook for me.

Here's my totals for the day:

grams cals %total
Total: cals-2106
Fat: grams-188 1691 percent081%
Sat: 76 683 33%
Poly: 25 224 11%
Mono: 63 565 27%
Carbs: grams-25 52 percent2%
Fiber: 12 0 0%
Protein: grams-89 355 percent-17%
Alcohol: 0 0 0%

I'm happy with the total cals and the 25 g of veggie carbs. Woulda been happier with 100 g of protein but I do what I can so I'll cut myself a break too.

[Sybilizedliving]

Scale was up 3.5 kilos (7+ pounds) this morning. WTH? Think it was just a fluke....the random number generator went wacko. Plus, yesterday was a pretty high sodium day for me. I'm not panicking.......

Today's tally....

1955 cal (1730-2100 goal)
F 135gm/63%
C 34gm/6%
P 113gm/24%
A 19gm/7%

[dointhis4me]

Originally Posted by dointhis4me

I wanted to be at 177.0 by this weekend, that gives me one more day! This morning I was 177.2 so I am hoping it will happen

I woke up today and weighed in at 178! I KNOW its just water but I am SO close to hitting my 70 lb loss and everytime I get right there my weight bounces back up.

[Ilpirata]

Oh Sybil & Holly I feel your pain. That scale is a brutal terrorizer sometimes. Just stick with it. You will get there.

I think I'm about to call broken stall personally. I had been bouncing between 217 and 221 for close to three months. After starting this BMR eating the numbers finally started going down and I have been a solid 215 two mornings in a row. not 215.5... 215. For me this is working and I couldn't be happier.

[hummingbird11]

Originally Posted by Ilpirata

I think I'm about to call broken stall personally. I had been bouncing between 217 and 221 for close to three months. After starting this BMR eating the numbers finally started going down and I have been a solid 215 two mornings in a row. not 215.5... 215. For me this is working and I couldn't be happier.

[Zer]

403.8 on 5/23/08...slowly seeing results from eating more food, encouraged by this inspired thread that advises eating up to my BMR:2423cals - no matter what! Also targeting 150g protein as a daily goal to shoot for by eating fish and eggs as a primary protein source - and to keep my carbs from soaring out of sight. My morning slurp of WPP for 20g protein is kind of carby for Atkins' plan, so I'm often showing more than the 5%carb ratio that Atkins advises.

Still aiming for 128oz water daily as a way to flush out toxins as I press onward - ounce by ounce - for THREEdom. Hopeful, more hopeful than ever!

Thank you for this thread. I've never before had solid numbers to shoot for. Makes a world of difference in helping me to make better choices about what and when to eat. Any day now I shall be seeing a 3 on my scale as it flitters and plays with me while I teeter on it in anticipation of a miracle! An amazing array of numbers flashes by as I try to stand still to catch a lower number. If the numbers flash too fast, the scale says ERROR and I get to start over again. Get off. Tap the scale. WAIT. Then get on quick when the scale tells me it's ready to weigh me. Eight seconds is all the time I get to climb aboard, which is not a lot of time for someone who is not steady on any foot. I've chosen a spot between two washbasins, so I can balance with my hands as I step up the inch or so that the scale stands "high" - and then I let go and start watching numbers flash by in 2/10 increments: up down up.

Having a scale has really helped me get feedback on how well I'm managing to fuel my body. I figure today's weight is a measure of how well I ate a week ago when I was struggling to make myself eat more than I wanted, to get up to BMR:2423cals - and now I see what it takes. Not brain surgery!

[Ilpirata]

403.8 on 5/23/08...slowly seeing results from eating more food, encouraged by this inspired thread that advises eating up to my BMR:2423cals - no matter what!

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Still aiming for 128oz water daily as a way to flush out toxins as I press onward - ounce by ounce - for THREEdom. Hopeful, more hopeful than ever!

Ooooh Zer!!!! You are SO CLOSE. I just know that THREEdom is coming right up for you! yay. And I do think you're right about this being the fruits of last week's labor... I know you'll stick with it and I know you'll see that blessed result SOON!

[Zer]

Saturday morn is my official weigh day, but it really helps me to record weight on various tracking devices. I write the numbers BIG and red in my datebook, so I am not likely to 'forget' that my goal is to find my way to THREEdom. My weekly tracking sheet for SUPP, FOOD, ACTIVITY shows the weight writ BIG as evidence of what I did right a week ago. I can always flash back to see just what I ate and when I ate and how often I ate - and it proves out that eating a LOT of food to get up to my BMR:2423cals "no matter what!" is working!

Thanks for making this a do-able thing for me. Thanks for helping me to find my BMR and for showing me how to set up targets. Love the way this thread is reporting individual targets and showing that eating more calories is the path to rebuilding a metabolism that got too efficient at conserving fat on too few daily calories. Truly, I've been staying fat by eating insufficient calories. Crazy!!!

Here's to a successful LC wknd for all of us - especially those challenged by events that involve celebratory carbs and temptations of traditional treats!

[Ilpirata]

Thanks for making this a do-able thing for me. Thanks for helping me to find my BMR and for showing me how to set up targets. Love the way this thread is reporting individual targets and showing that eating more calories is the path to rebuilding a metabolism that got too efficient at conserving fat on too few daily calories. Truly, I've been staying fat by eating insufficient calories. Crazy!!!

Amen my friend! So far the proof is in the fat pirate balls! I was staying fat eating too little. I'm glad I listened to suggestion and that we found each other here, trying THIS - eating MORE, who woulda thought?

[Zer]

I just recommended this thread to someone who asked me how I got my BMR, since this thread is where I got a workable BMR figure. Too many sites have formulas that are not geared to a massive person. One site told me I'd have to eat 4,000cals daily to satisfy my BMR. Urk. Not a remotely do-able figure for a reluctant LC eater!

I am saying that my BMR will be adjusted every 10# I drop, as I expect to become slightly more active as I drop weight and am more able to walk on my hinky hip. Let's hope so!

[Zer]

Yeah, pelota is a word for ball. Not as nasty a word as cojones, but it has a certain euphonious 'puh' sound to it - pirate pelotas! Got to get some cream cheese and some coconut flakes, so I can join y'all in enjoying these LC treats!

I'm gonna make mine with chopt green olives. I'm more into savory than sweet. Might roll mine in flaxmeal or maybe flax mixed with coconut. Better yet, pecans dusted with cayenne!

[Ilpirata]

pirate pelotas!!!!

(BIG FAT HAIRY ONES)

[Zer]

Originally Posted by Ilpirata

pirate pelotas!!!!

(BIG FAT HAIRY ONES)

And mine got NUTS too! Chopt pecans dusted with cayenne. Oh, make that HOT NUTS on my Pirate Pelotas! Salacious stuff!

[Cyard]

Seriously, all this talk of pirate balls....now **I** am going to have to make some!

[Zer]

My auntie used to make an hors d'oeuvre that was dried beef wrapped around cream cheese. It occurs to me that one can chop up this dried red paper-thin beef (comes in a small glass jar or a pouch on the shelf at the market) and roll our balls in that - for those who prefer savory to sweet, as I do. I'm going to do so, after mixing chopt green olives into my cream cheese. Yes: 'hairy fat pirate balls' of chopt thready red dried beef. It's a lot like that expensive dried ham: prosciutto - but a lot less expensive, I bet. Wonder what the carbs are in dried beef.

I think this is an Armour product, small glass jars that work as juice glasses if you are inclined to re-use glassware as I am. Oh, see recipe illustrated here

[hummingbird11]

Originally Posted by 2big4mysize

WOW Controlledcarb posted a minimum protein needs for low carbers to do just that and it was divide your current weight by 2.2 and got +/- 10% of that number based on your hunger needs

Atkins induction is 65% fats 30% protein and 5% carbs but with the 20 gram carb limit it is hard to get it exactly

as we move to OWL and add back more carbs the fat% will lower as we eat more carbs to about 60% depending on your CCLL and how close to it one does their OWL

I don't know what/who ControlledCarb is ~ but my Protein requirement was set by my Trainer ~ so I feel good about it.

Due to extremely low calories/low protein/zero exercise ~ I lost a LOT of LBM during my 50 lb weight loss (during chemo in 2005) and that's EXACTLY what landed me in this "big fat boat" ~ so I definitely do NOT wish to repeat that scenario with my current weight loss plan!
I'm keeping my calories/protein/fat up ~ and keeping my carbs low. And so far, it seems to be working!

Keto Diet:
30-35% protein *Protein set at over 100 grams per day to prevent muscle breakdown.
55-60% fat
5-8% carbs

Atkins:
30% protein
65% fat
5% carbs

Almost identical. Keto is just slightly higher protein + slightly lower fat.
(Keto refeeds are a different animal: low fat/high carb/decent protein)


My Target Macros are a combo of Atkins/Keto + BMR/HBE:
1600-1800 Calories (as high as 2200; not lower than 1200)
30-40% protein (125g)
55-65% Fat
5% Net Carbs (20g)


my May 22 stats:

calories ..... fiber ..... net carbs ..... protein ....... fat
1744 .......... 11g …....... 20g ……..... 137g ........ 107g
.................................. 3% …........ 35% …....... 62%


my May 21 stats:

calories ..... fiber ..... net carbs ..... protein ....... fat
1785 ......... 6.5g …....... 19.5g …..... 119g ........ 119g
.................................. 3% …........ 30% …....... 67%


my May 20 stats:

calories ..... fiber ..... net carbs ..... protein ........ fat
1874 .......... 8g …........ 17g ……...... 157g ......... 117g
................................. 2% …......... 37% …....... 61%


my May 19 stats:

calories ..... fiber ..... net carbs ..... protein ........ fat
1761 ......... 6.5g …....... 19g ……...... 110g ........ 135g
.................................. 3% …......... 26% …...... 71%


As you can see, even with my higher Protein requirement, I am practically nailing the Atkins macros each day. So I think my high Protein is OK. Seems necessary to get the calories and other macros %'s right. In fact, for Keto, I need to raise Protein (slightly) and lower Fat (slightly). It's a fine balance. I do struggle with keeping my fiber up. I would prefer to have my fiber at 30g per day. I eat plenty of veggies but with the lack of grains, must supplement w/ Psyllium Husk Powder and Flaxseed.

[hummingbird11]

Yeahhhhhhhh! Pecany Peppery Piratey Pelotas!

Originally Posted by Zer

Better yet, pecans dusted with cayenne!

[hummingbird11]

Originally Posted by Zer

Oh, make that HOT NUTS on my Pirate Pelotas! Salacious stuff!

[hummingbird11]

Originally Posted by Zer

403.8 on 5/23/08...slowly seeing results from eating more food, encouraged by this inspired thread that advises eating up to my BMR:2423cals - no matter what! and now I see what it takes!

[Zer]

Can't you see a plate of these PPPP (as HB terms 'em)? Some sweet (for those who like that sort of stuff) and some savory. My plate would be full of savory cream cheese mixed with chopt green olives then rolled into naughty nibbles with curly red dried-beefy shreds (hairy balls), and others with a nutty brown pecan and cayenne covering (nutty balls). I can just see all of us acting the fool and carrying on as if we were teenagers as we nibble on COJONES and enjoy party foods that are totally legal for a LC plan!

What do you bet this will turn up in one of Cleo's columns as she writes saucy stuff about LC living as a wild excursion into X-rated foods? Let's just wait and see how long it takes!

[Ilpirata]

Can't you see a plate of these PPPP (as HB terms 'em)? Some with curly red shreds (hairy balls), and some with a nutty brown pecan covering (nutty balls) and all of us acting the fool and carrying on as if we were teenagers as we nibble on COJONES and enjoy party foods that are totally legal for a LC plan! What do you bet this will turn up in one of Cleo's columns as she writes saucy stuff about LC living as a wild excursion into X-rated foods? Let's just wait and see how long it takes!

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ROTFLMAO... What a bunch of naughty naughty BMR eating gals we all are~!

[hummingbird11]

Naughty is my middle name!
Humming N. Bird

Originally Posted by Ilpirata

ROTFLMAO... What a bunch of naughty naughty BMR eating gals we all are~!

We now have 3 versions of the Recipe:

Coconutty Cajones
(original)

Big Fat Hairy Piratey Balls
(rolled in flaked coconut)

Pecany Peppery Piratey Pelotas
(rolled in pecans & dusted w/ cayenne)



XO,
HB

[Zer]

Controlledcarb posted a minimum protein needs for low carbers to do just that and it was divide your current weight by 2.2 and got +/- 10% of that number based on your hunger needs

Got a spooky number when I divided 400# by 2.2 and then took 10% of that number. Not sure what I did or if I missed a step, but I'm still targeting my daily protein at 150g. Not sure how the 18.1818181818 applies - or if it applies at all. Can you help???

Oh, I just did the math again and got 88 - which is a more likely figure. Not as much protein as I think I need, but probably as much protein as I get most days (even with a target of 150g). Some days I just poop out from eating. Other days I can slam in a couple of tins of sardines to boost my protein intake.

Chances are my brain suffers from protein deficiency as much as my muscles do, so I always do my math computations a few times to see how many different answers I can come up with. Math never was my best subject.

[Zer]

Just dawned on me that Mrs.Dash's Lemon Pepper mixture is part of what I'd use to spice up the pecan-cayenne finish on slightly sweet cream cheese balls. Might even use a bit of fancy colorful pink salt in the pecan-cayenne mix. Just a grain or two. This is so making me want cream cheese!

There's a spicy sweet that I'd like to capture the flavor of in a variation on this savory cream cheese ball recipe. It is a treat that I associate with Mexican food. I think it is a fruit that is dusted with cayenne and a bit of salt, so one is full of all the tastes at once - tart-sweet fruit, spicy cayenne, salt. My mouth is watering at the memory of that taste mixture. So possibly I'd make a slightly tart-sweet cream cheese mixture and then roll that in a chopt pecan plus cayenne+salt covering. Anyone else salivating as I am?

These might be Nutty Piquante Pirate Balls. Sweet-tart mix.

Actually, I think this is a dried plum candy that inspires me to mix flavors. Might be an Asian treat as well as a Mexican treat. Some of them are a fruity paste with a largish seed for flavor at the center.

[hummingbird11]

YES, I am ~ PLEASE whip some up NOW and then high tail it on over here REAL QUICK LIKE 'cause I am Starvin' Marvin'!!

Originally Posted by Zer

Hey, don't forget my faves!

Big Beefy Hairy Piratey Pelotas
(savory cream cheese with chopt olives,
rolled in minced dried-beef curls)

There's a spicy sweet that I'd like to capture the flavor of in a variation on this savory cream cheese ball recipe. It is a treat that I associate with Mexican food. I think it is a fruit that is dusted with cayenne and a bit of salt, so one is full of all the tastes at once - tart-sweet fruit, spicy cayenne, salt. My mouth is watering at the memory of that taste mixture. So possibly I'd make a slightly tart-sweet cream cheese mixture and then roll that in a chopt pecan plus cayenne+salt covering. Anyone else salivating as I am?

These might be Nutty Piquante Pirate Balls. Sweet-tart mix.

[Coconutty]

LOL!!! You naughty ladies sure had fun today with the spicy, hairy, peppery, pecany. piratey balls.

Originally Posted by Zer

There's a spicy sweet that I'd like to capture the flavor of in a variation on this savory cream cheese ball recipe. It is a treat that I associate with Mexican food. I think it is a fruit that is dusted with cayenne and a bit of salt, so one is full of all the tastes at once - tart-sweet fruit, spicy cayenne, salt. My mouth is watering at the memory of that taste mixture. So possibly I'd make a slightly tart-sweet cream cheese mixture and then roll that in a chopt pecan plus cayenne+salt covering. Anyone else salivating as I am?

These might be Nutty Piquante Pirate Balls. Sweet-tart mix.

Actually, these sound a lot like something I used to eat quite a bit as a youngster...Tamarind Balls. Brings back memories. I used to find sugary ones and peppery ones at the West Indian grocery. The peppery ones were usually from Trinidad.

Zer, I actually recalculated your protein needs according to carbcontrol's formula. What I found was 181g and +/- 10% (18g) is supposed to be your daily requirement. I think you're on the right track with the 150g goal.

I too am not getting along with the scale. 18 days and counting with no change... I weighed myself and the beginning of my 2nd week of induction (I didn't want to see the initial number) and I was at 258.8. Two and a half weeks later I was down to 254.6, and haven't budged since then. I hope to see some results soon. My weigh/measure day is tomorrow.

Today's tally:
Total: 2288
Fat: 174 1562 70%
Sat: 44 392 18%
Poly: 5 45 2%
Mono: 19 169 8%
Carbs: 24 67 3%
Fiber: 7 0 0%
Protein: 148 592 27%
Alcohol: 0 0 0%