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[Lost and Found]

Originally Posted by Tooter

Yes it does. And you know that number that is in the back of my head. they always tend to happen in 3's!!

Yes...I know!!!! (I didn't say it...you did!!!) I was trying to ignore it.

[Tooter]

Originally Posted by Ailuros

I've been reading the Schwarzbein book (the 2nd one) again today. I have a lot of the symptoms of burnt out adrenals, and I think that the approach to menopause is a common time to experience problems, as the adrenals have an increased workload taking over as hormone production from the ovaries dwindles. She recommends about 20g carb at each meal or snack, and that you should eat five times a day, with a balance of protein, carbs and fats each time. According to her, I need about 60g protein per day, or around 9 oz meat (or equivalent from cheese, eggs etc). So that works out at 2 oz five times a day (it's pretty much the same as Protein Power says). I'd really like to give her ideas a try, to see if I can get better energy, but I just don't think I can manage to eat five times! Maybe I'll start out by making my three meals fit in with her advice, and adding an extra on the days when there's a larger than usual gap. The main change is that I'll be making a conscious effort to keep my carbs at a particular level instead of just keeping below. Her argument is that if you don't eat carbs, your body releases cortisol and adrenalin to stimulate the production of glucose from protein - which is not a good thing if your adrenal glands are already struggling.

She also emphasises getting enough rest and sleep, which I already do; and exercising enough but not too much. Some stretching, and resistance, but no cardio until your adrenals are working properly. I don't like cardio anyway, so that's no problem . But I do need to be more conscientious about doing the rest of it regularly.

I have her books (1 and 2). I'm about due to read them again. I think she has a wealth of information and advice in there.

The only thing...I CAN'T do grains.

I think it's a great idea to "ease" into it with your meals. I have just gone back to mini meals. I tend to do much better on them. Everyone is different. My husband likes 1 to 2 meals. Of coarse he eats more then I do, but that doesn't stop him from teasing me. He'll look at me and say "Are you eating AGAIN"!!!???!!!??

The Mini meals tend to do better for me, because I can listen to my body better. I seem to know what it needs in regards to fat, protein and Veggies and I'll eat according to that (instead of a planned "meal).
It also keeps my blood sugars even. I don't over eat and I don't under eat. I tend to get kinda "Lost" in the bigger meals, Meaning I can't read my body.

That doesn't work for everyone. Mini meals can cause some people to really over eat.

[Tooter]

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

TeeHeeHee!!!!









Speaking of Pear....I haven't seen a trace of her since she sent me "Yorkie Kisses".

And you guys said that by me MIA the thread was quiet. It seems that quite a few have been missing. Spring Fever? Off Plan? Busy?? I don't know, but one thing that I do know...it is a lot quieter here with out Jean and Pear.

Hopefully, they come back soon.

I know, I really miss them too. I miss everyone being chatty and sharing.

[Ailuros]

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

That all makes sense...Ailuros. You should try it. Then, we'll all know how it worked for you, as many have "worn Out" adrenal glands due to messed up metabolisms from "low Fat" dieting through out the years.

I've never done the low fat thing, so I can't blame that . I did have about ten years as a vegetarian, which mainly meant living on pasta and cheese, until I started LC five years ago. It all got really bad after my mother in law's illness and death last year. I was OK doing all the things we had to do while she was ill, then afterwards I was completely drained. Just doing one little thing, like going to church, or going to the shops, would completely exhaust me. It's better than that now, but still not great.

[Lost and Found]

Originally Posted by Tooter

I know, I really miss them too. I miss everyone being chatty and sharing.

HEY...TOOTER!!!!

Here's something for you...since you miss sharing.





















Did you feel the breeze go through your hair on THAT one?



















(Now....don't forget to thank me for sharing!!!!)

[Lost and Found]

Originally Posted by Ailuros

I've never done the low fat thing, so I can't blame that . I did have about ten years as a vegetarian, which mainly meant living on pasta and cheese, until I started LC five years ago. It all got really bad after my mother in law's illness and death last year. I was OK doing all the things we had to do while she was ill, then afterwards I was completely drained. Just doing one little thing, like going to church, or going to the shops, would completely exhaust me. It's better than that now, but still not great.

That's how I felt on doing "REAL LOW" carbs. I've felt a little better since adding a little bit back in, and the weight loss has been better too. (That could, also, be from all of the physical activity that I get from my job too.) I think that 20 grams a day was too low for me, as I felt drained...and my weight loss stood still too many times.

[Ailuros]

Originally Posted by Tooter

I have her books (1 and 2). I'm about due to read them again. I think she has a wealth of information and advice in there.

The only thing...I CAN'T do grains.

I think it's a great idea to "ease" into it with your meals. I have just gone back to mini meals. I tend to do much better on them. Everyone is different. My husband likes 1 to 2 meals. Of coarse he eats more then I do, but that doesn't stop him from teasing me. He'll look at me and say "Are you eating AGAIN"!!!???!!!??

The Mini meals tend to do better for me, because I can listen to my body better. I seem to know what it needs in regards to fat, protein and Veggies and I'll eat according to that (instead of a planned "meal).
It also keeps my blood sugars even. I don't over eat and I don't under eat. I tend to get kinda "Lost" in the bigger meals, Meaning I can't read my body.

That doesn't work for everyone. Mini meals can cause some people to really over eat.

Smaller meals work better for me than very big ones. I can only go so long without eating, no matter what I've had. My husband can be quite happy on one or two meals a day, too . But there does seem to be a sort of minimum size for food to be useful to me. If I'm feeling low BS, then tiny snacks don't seem to help. A handful of nuts doesn't seem to help much, either. It has to be "proper" food. I know that doesn't make much sense, but it's what I've found. I think four meals could work well for me, if I could just work out the proper timings. At the moment, lunch and dinner are just a little bit further apart than is ideal for me, but not quite far enough to fit an extra one in between.

[Tooter]

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

HEY...TOOTER!!!!

Here's something for you...since you miss sharing.





















Did you feel the breeze go through your hair on THAT one?



















(Now....don't forget to thank me for sharing!!!!)

I see your voice has changed, but your breath still smells the same!

[Ailuros]

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

That's how I felt on doing "REAL LOW" carbs. I've felt a little better since adding a little bit back in, and the weight loss has been better too. (That could, also, be from all of the physical activity that I get from my job too.) I think that 20 grams a day was too low for me, as I felt drained...and my weight loss stood still too many times.

It's good that you've spotted that early on, otherwise you could have been on the way to getting burnt out adrenals too, and with the other stresses in your life, you don't need to add to it by your eating!

[Tooter]

Originally Posted by Ailuros

Smaller meals work better for me than very big ones. I can only go so long without eating, no matter what I've had. My husband can be quite happy on one or two meals a day, too . But there does seem to be a sort of minimum size for food to be useful to me. If I'm feeling low BS, then tiny snacks don't seem to help. A handful of nuts doesn't seem to help much, either. It has to be "proper" food. I know that doesn't make much sense, but it's what I've found. I think four meals could work well for me, if I could just work out the proper timings. At the moment, lunch and dinner are just a little bit further apart than is ideal for me, but not quite far enough to fit an extra one in between.

That sounds like me.

I might start out with having some eggs or salmon. Just that. Then later...maybe some veggies or something higher in fat.

It's like eating a Huge meal, but spacing it in "coarses" and not having the protein all at once.

It's hard to describe, but I know what you are talking about.

[Ailuros]

Originally Posted by Tooter

I know, I really miss them too. I miss everyone being chatty and sharing.

I think some of the people on the fascination thread would find the support here helpful, but maybe they just don't know how good we are .

[Tooter]

Originally Posted by Ailuros

I think some of the people on the fascination thread would find the support here helpful, but maybe they just don't know how good we are .

[*Pear*]

Hi gals,

Sorry I've been MIA. I'm just so sick of life right now, its all work and no breaks. Holland is pulling on us big time and hubby and I have been busy with research on finances and legal details of immigration. Only 1287 days now...

[Ailuros]

Pear, sorry you're having a tough time. I hope the numbers all look good for going to Holland - then at least you have something big to look forward to.

[Tooter]

Originally Posted by *Pear*

Hi gals,

Sorry I've been MIA. I'm just so sick of life right now, its all work and no breaks. Holland is pulling on us big time and hubby and I have been busy with research on finances and legal details of immigration. Only 1287 days now...

[Ailuros]

This is my first day of experimenting with having more, smaller, meals. Three down, two to go . I think I like it, but it will take a bit of adjusting to get the quantities right. My husband's gone into the office today, so I've had more flexibility on meal timings. Usually he works at home, and we eat together for lunch and dinner. Today I'm going for eating at 7, 10, 1, 4, 7. That timing would probably work OK for most days. We notionally eat at 6 in the evening but it's more like 6:30 to 7 in reality. Anyway, I'll see how it goes, but it seems to have possibilities, and feels quite comforting so far, which I imagine is the effect Dr S intends.

I have been using grains for many of the carbs, but I'm trying to vary them (not just eat wheat all the time), and to prepare them as the WAP people recommend. If I can get sufficiently organised, I'd like to switch over to starchy veggies for some of them, and beans/peas for some.

[Ailuros]

I forgot to say that my small meals experiment didn't get off to a very good start - I must have been thinking about smaller portions at dinner last night, so ended up not eating quite enough. I wasn't actually hungry, but I kept waking up through the night, which Dr S says can happen when your body has to release cortisol to keep your blood sugar up. Of course, releasing extra cortisol in the middle of the night is really not the best way to let your adrenals rest and recover . It also left me feeling tired today, but I don't have a lot to do, so that's not a big problem. At least I learned something .

[Tooter]

Originally Posted by Ailuros

I forgot to say that my small meals experiment didn't get off to a very good start - I must have been thinking about smaller portions at dinner last night, so ended up not eating quite enough. I wasn't actually hungry, but I kept waking up through the night, which Dr S says can happen when your body has to release cortisol to keep your blood sugar up. Of course, releasing extra cortisol in the middle of the night is really not the best way to let your adrenals rest and recover . It also left me feeling tired today, but I don't have a lot to do, so that's not a big problem. At least I learned something .

Yes, it's so important that we really LEARN about our bodies and how they work. We can only do that by actually trying things out.

[Tooter]

I've still been reading on this fiber thing.

I can't believe the difference in how I feel without it.

I also think I am starting to understand why people have a hard time "Going" on a low carb diet. It's one of the biggest complaints in the beginning.

To properly GO to the bathroom you have to be hydrated. Diet sodas de-hydrate you. I was a big diet soda drinker.

Fiber also pulls water from your body. Combine that with the "breeding Ground" the fiber creates for Yeast (Something that I have battled with) and you have a major problem on your hands.

Getting rid of the diet Soda, and getting rid of the Fiber (Excess fiber not found in Natural low carb foods) and there has been a complete turn around in me.


Something else (don't laugh) Yes, my Crap no longer smells!! The smell is a sign of fermentation going on in your gut. I would get it from fiber supplements and from fake fiber filled foods like "Fiber one" cereal.

It's so Strange now. Going to the bathroom (BM) is just like going to pee. It just takes that much time. There is this slight urge, you go, you're done.

No smell, no straining....What a strange concept!!

I think the Diet soda and Fake Low carb foods are the real problem.

After getting rid of diet soda, uping my fat and no longer taking in extra fiber...All is right with the world in the bathroom.

It's as simple as what we have been told. Keep your eating as "Natural" as you can.

[Lost and Found]

Originally Posted by Tooter

I see your voice has changed, but your breath still smells the same!

Tee Hee Hee!!!!!!


















TURD!!!!!!






Hey, Tooter!!!!! Why does your hair look a little wind blown today?

[Lost and Found]

Originally Posted by Ailuros

It's good that you've spotted that early on, otherwise you could have been on the way to getting burnt out adrenals too, and with the other stresses in your life, you don't need to add to it by your eating!

I think that I already have burnt out adrenals....

[Lost and Found]

Originally Posted by Ailuros

I think some of the people on the fascination thread would find the support here helpful, but maybe they just don't know how good we are .