Old Timers and Newbies!

[*Pear*]

Was it good, Jean? Do you recommend her fudge?

[*Pear*]

Ugh, I just realized, I have to go back to work tomorrow.

Pear runs out of the room screaming.

[Tooter]

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

Oh, Dear Great One!!!!

I was wondering....do you feel that, maybe, I'm not "seeing" the kind of results that I've noticed many do....on the "Faces" tab....could be due to my lack of exercise?

Should I take on exercising....I'm alittle afraid of it.....in the past, when I would take up exercising...it just made me hungrier!!!

I really don't believe in the Exercise to burn calories thing at all. I do believe that that too much exercise will cause a person to be more hungry (work up an appetite).

BUT... I do believe there IS benefits to exercise. It tones our bodies. It gets us in shape. It keeps us from getting depressed (the chemicals it releases in the Brain) etc...

But...I believe the question you are asking me is for weight loss? More along the lines of Calories IN vs Calories Out? I Just don't see that "working". I agree with Gary Taubes in his book "Good Calories, Bad Calories". Now, people then "tend" to think it means you shouldn't exercise. NOT AT ALL. I think a person should to be truly Healthy. Hey, Use it or LOSE it! lol

Heck, when I was anorexic, I would starve myself and Exercise like a mad girl. I didn't get huge weight loss from the Exercise and I didn't have any muscles either (my body was eating my muscles from starving).

You can lose the weight without exercise, but you will still be flabby (yes, you CAN be thin and flabby) And you also wouldn't get the other wonderful benefits of exercise.


Now, I believe LESS is more. What I mean by that, is I don't run on a treadmill for 2 hours and spend 45 minutes doing sit ups. I have seen overweight people do that with hardly any results.

BUT, combined with lowcarb and doing "Crunches" a few days a week (with a break) and maybe doing some "Rebounding" on other days...I see MUCH bigger results from the exercise in body shaping and stamina. It's a huge difference from Exercising Every Day and Pushing it and Pushing it.

I also believe that we have to give our muscles a "Rest" and that's something that people who Over exercise don't do.

It's hard to put into words.

I think it's important, and I truly have missed the benefits of it (these last couple of months) but will it make a huge difference in the Scales for you? Directly? I don't think so. Indirectly? Well, if you are feeling better about yourself etc....? I think it does.

Just don't rely on the old standby "Burn those calories" because there is alot more to it then that.

And now that I have totally confused the heck out of you!!!

[Tooter]

Originally Posted by jeanran

Tooter,

I just don't plan to eat sugar or flour. The most I have eaten since Oct. 5th was at Christmas. I didn't eat off plan, just a little more than usual.

I really don't think it is necessary as I can get enough carbs with healthy food and I have no, absolutely no desire for them and that 's the way I want to keep it. Like the alcoholic, you can't just take one drink.

I know myself and if I started with a mindset that I could go off plan once in awhile, I would do it more and more often. I went up to 35 carbs and stalled so I will keep it just under 35. At some point and time I will try it again, perhaps when I start to exercise.

My sugar and cholesterol (had blood work done when I started) were too high and I have been hypoglycemic since age 10 so I know I don't need useless carbs. I would be a good candidate for diabetes. I don't what the insulin spike to ruin my organs.

I tell myself how horrible I felt when I ate them and that discourages any thoughts of cheating. It's something I have made up my mind to be successful at so the thought processes don't go any farther.

My family are healthy eaters and don't try to tempt me and I don't have to cook for them so it makes it much easier. Look how thin Nick is, he never brings junk into the house and eats veggies and grilled meat right along with me. No one ever tells me I am eating unhealthily, just the opposite.

I would sit at the puter and nosh on candy all evening, no more! It is Jicama, red & green pepper sticks, flax cracker or pork rinds, etc.

I have never felt more fulfilled or sated and I want it to stay that way.

You all are the greatest supporters and I enjoy being able to chat with others that understand.

Jean

Jean, I totally agree with you. But... Sometimes we DO make poor choices and sometimes we DO get a little cocky and forget just what our lives were like with Sugars and Starch. And we don't "Plan" them. lol Sometimes, just like the Alcoholic we think that just a little bit won't hurt. Just this "Once". I've been at this a long time. LONG Time.

I have to say, that in those times I have made a poor choice, it reinforced my reasons for doing low carb and I "right away" dust myself off and start right back with a better choice. But, it all depends on the mindset. We could just as easily fall back into our old ones too.

That was the point of my post and It wasn't just to you. We have alot of Lurkers on here that read and I was speaking to them too, as well as myself.

That's why I always say "Better Choice" and not the "Perfect Choice". No one can be "Perfect" and sooner or later...everyone makes a Poor Choice. A Poor Choice doesn't make you a failure. It's your choices right after that..."Now" that make the difference.


Rest assured, One day we all will make a poor choice. It's what we do right after that Poor choice, Choosing to Jump right back with a Good one, or make an excuse to continue making "poor Choices" That will make a huge difference.

You are right, we shouldn't have the mindset that " A Little here and there" won't hurt...But we also can't think that we will never make a poor choice again either. Because we need to know what to do, "Right away" When we make that poor choice. Otherwise, we take on the Guilt (All or nothing thing) feel sorry for ourselves and continue in the Poor Choices.

[*Pear*]

Oh, I just made the yummiest lunch for tomorrow:

Pickle spears rolled in deli turkey

Egg Salad a la Tina (2 lunches)
5 hardboiled eggs
1 can tuna, drained
1/2 block cream cheese, cubed
1 jalepeno, cut up small
mayo to mix.

I licked the spoon, and oh my gosh!!!

[*Pear*]

Rebounding, thats something I can do. I have one stored in the garage.

Cool beans!

[jeanran]

Originally Posted by Tooter

Jean, I totally agree with you. But... Sometimes we DO make poor choices and sometimes we DO get a little cocky and forget just what our lives were like with Sugars and Starch. And we don't "Plan" them. lol Sometimes, just like the Alcoholic we think that just a little bit won't hurt. Just this "Once". I've been at this a long time. LONG Time.

I have to say, that in those times I have made a poor choice, it reinforced my reasons for doing low carb and I "right away" dust myself off and start right back with a better choice. But, it all depends on the mindset. We could just as easily fall back into our old ones too.

That was the point of my post and It wasn't just to you. We have alot of Lurkers on here that read and I was speaking to them too, as well as myself.

That's why I always say "Better Choice" and not the "Perfect Choice". No one can be "Perfect" and sooner or later...everyone makes a Poor Choice. A Poor Choice doesn't make you a failure. It's your choices right after that..."Now" that make the difference.


Rest assured, One day we all will make a poor choice. It's what we do right after that Poor choice, Choosing to Jump right back with a Good one, or make an excuse to continue making "poor Choices" That will make a huge difference.

You are right, we shouldn't have the mindset that " A Little here and there" won't hurt...But we also can't think that we will never make a poor choice again either. Because we need to know what to do, "Right away" When we make that poor choice. Otherwise, we take on the Guilt (All or nothing thing) feel sorry for ourselves and continue in the Poor Choices.

Yes, I understand where you are coming from and know it will happen but the longer I stay in ketosis the better off I will be. I just know myself and want to be cautious.

As I get closer to my goal weight I don't think I will worry so much.

This WOE is like a 'safe place' for me and I don't want to risk anything right now, if you get my meaning. Perhaps after I have done this for some time I will trust myself more.

I sure hope I didn't come off all cocky, it's just the opposite. I'm not that secure at all and need to keep a hard and fast mindset to stay on track til I and my body learn what is best.

As always, thanks for caring and sharing, Tooter.

Jean

[Lost and Found]

Originally Posted by Tooter

I really don't believe in the Exercise to burn calories thing at all. I do believe that that too much exercise will cause a person to be more hungry (work up an appetite).

BUT... I do believe there IS benefits to exercise. It tones our bodies. It gets us in shape. It keeps us from getting depressed (the chemicals it releases in the Brain) etc...

But...I believe the question you are asking me is for weight loss? More along the lines of Calories IN vs Calories Out? I Just don't see that "working". I agree with Gary Taubes in his book "Good Calories, Bad Calories". Now, people then "tend" to think it means you shouldn't exercise. NOT AT ALL. I think a person should to be truly Healthy. Hey, Use it or LOSE it! lol

Heck, when I was anorexic, I would starve myself and Exercise like a mad girl. I didn't get huge weight loss from the Exercise and I didn't have any muscles either (my body was eating my muscles from starving).

You can lose the weight without exercise, but you will still be flabby (yes, you CAN be thin and flabby) And you also wouldn't get the other wonderful benefits of exercise.


Now, I believe LESS is more. What I mean by that, is I don't run on a treadmill for 2 hours and spend 45 minutes doing sit ups. I have seen overweight people do that with hardly any results.

BUT, combined with lowcarb and doing "Crunches" a few days a week (with a break) and maybe doing some "Rebounding" on other days...I see MUCH bigger results from the exercise in body shaping and stamina. It's a huge difference from Exercising Every Day and Pushing it and Pushing it.

I also believe that we have to give our muscles a "Rest" and that's something that people who Over exercise don't do.

It's hard to put into words.

I think it's important, and I truly have missed the benefits of it (these last couple of months) but will it make a huge difference in the Scales for you? Directly? I don't think so. Indirectly? Well, if you are feeling better about yourself etc....? I think it does.

Just don't rely on the old standby "Burn those calories" because there is alot more to it then that.

And now that I have totally confused the heck out of you!!!

What in the H-E-double hockey sticks is "Rebounding"?

[Lost and Found]

Originally Posted by *Pear*

Oh, I just made the yummiest lunch for tomorrow:

Pickle spears rolled in deli turkey

Egg Salad a la Tina (2 lunches)
5 hardboiled eggs
1 can tuna, drained
1/2 block cream cheese, cubed
1 jalepeno, cut up small
mayo to mix.

I licked the spoon, and oh my gosh!!!

SEeeeee....Pear!!!!

I knew that you could think of something good for yourself....even with the inlaws there!!!

[Lost and Found]

Jean......I'M SURE OF YOU!!!!!!

No need to worry about your insecurities. We ARE here for good times, and not-so-good times.

[*Pear*]

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

What in the H-E-double hockey sticks is "Rebounding"?

Its jumping on a mini-trampoline. Low impact. It makes me tinkle though , so I never kept up with it.

[Lost and Found]

Originally Posted by *Pear*

Its jumping on a mini-trampoline. Low impact. It makes me tinkle though , so I never kept up with it.

So, do you think that a stationary bike--the kind that the handle bars move too-- would do the same thing?

[jeanran]

Originally Posted by *Pear*

Oh, I just made the yummiest lunch for tomorrow:

Pickle spears rolled in deli turkey

Egg Salad a la Tina (2 lunches)
5 hardboiled eggs
1 can tuna, drained
1/2 block cream cheese, cubed
1 jalepeno, cut up small
mayo to mix.

I licked the spoon, and oh my gosh!!!

Oh, Yum, that sounds soooo good. Did you make enough for all of us, Pear? You will share, won't you? Please!

Jean

[jeanran]

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

Jean......I'M SURE OF YOU!!!!!!

No need to worry about your insecurities. We ARE here for good times, and not-so-good times.

Well, all I have to say is that you better be!!!

Momma Jean

[jeanran]

Originally Posted by *Pear*

Was it good, Jean? Do you recommend her fudge?

It was good but a little to 'dark chocolate' for me. I really prefer the bark with a bit of coconut and crushed almonds but it was a nice change, I just mixed it with some freshly ground almond butter and it was like a Reese's peanut butter cup.

Jean

[*Pear*]

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

So, do you think that a stationary bike--the kind that the handle bars move too-- would do the same thing?

I would say, do what you can to move a little. The rebounder just happens to be what I have. It exercises all your muscles by the up and down movement. The bike exercises upper and lower and if that is what you have, then I think it would be good. Just dont overdo it.

Originally Posted by jeanran

Oh, Yum, that sounds soooo good. Did you make enough for all of us, Pear? You will share, won't you? Please!

Jean

Sure, I'll share if you come to work with me tomorrow.

Originally Posted by jeanran

It was good but a little to 'dark chocolate' for me. I really prefer the bark with a bit of coconut and crushed almonds but it was a nice change, I just mixed it with some freshly ground almond butter and it was like a Reese's peanut butter cup.

Jean

I like Peanut Butter Cups

[jeanran]

Originally Posted by *Pear*

skip


Sure, I'll share if you come to work with me tomorrow.



I like Peanut Butter Cups

Well, Rats, I have a busy day scheduled tomorrow. Guess I'll have to make my own!

I like them too and enjoyed the 'RPB' spread on a flax meal cracker. Very nice.

Jean

[Tooter]

Originally Posted by jeanran

Yes, I understand where you are coming from and know it will happen but the longer I stay in ketosis the better off I will be. I just know myself and want to be cautious.

As I get closer to my goal weight I don't think I will worry so much.

This WOE is like a 'safe place' for me and I don't want to risk anything right now, if you get my meaning. Perhaps after I have done this for some time I will trust myself more.

I sure hope I didn't come off all cocky, it's just the opposite. I'm not that secure at all and need to keep a hard and fast mindset to stay on track til I and my body learn what is best.

As always, thanks for caring and sharing, Tooter.

Jean

Again, I totally agree. It's so hard to try and make a point with the written word!!! *banging head*, But last night before I went to sleep I kept thinking about something that might "explain" What I am trying to say. Maybe it will help with the "All or Nothing" Thing, Better Choices and the Now Thing.

Oh, before I say that...The really dangerous time is when you hit Goal!

You and I talked about "Alcoholics", right? I have Alcoholics in my family. I know about addiction, but I looked at it wrong. My eyes have kinda "Opened" up a little now.

If you notice, a recovering alcoholic will "not" say they will never have another Drink again. They will say "I won't have a drink right now, or I will not drink today". It sounded noble to me, but really...it just kinda sounded like "Technical" Terms to me. After all...They Should NEVER drink again.

But, it's not "Technical" nor noble. It's actually how they have to live.

They have to deal with, and come to terms with their "Past" so it has no more power over them (Guilt, attitude, habits). It's to "free" them and change their "mindset". They are to Plan for the future, by changing their habits and who/what they do and hang around...So they are not in temptation. (Safe place, like our WOE).

But, they are to live in the NOW. Today. The only thing they have control over is "Now". They won't have a drink, "Today". But, it's also because in case there is a slip up.

What if they finally get to the point where they are stronger, going on with their lives, go to a party and by mistake get a Rum and Coke instead of just a Coke to drink? Our minds play tricks on us...The Mind games start right away.
With guilt and the wrong mindset we all tend to "give up" and say "What the heck, I have blown it already". That will hit them all at once, and the past and future (and guilt of both) will be right there. Will they drink the rest of the rum and coke or not? They can't change 2 seconds ago, but they can "change" now. The better choice, would be to put it down and not drink it.

The Time for "Choices" is always "Now".

You see, the "Time" I am talking about is that Dangerous time, when sobriety has been under the belt for awhile. In our case, when we have lived without Sugar/starch for so long and are near/at goal. It's the mindset of all or nothing. To keep control, we must always live "Now". Make our choices "Now".

I am not condoning Poor Choices at all. (that's my point) I just don't want one "Poor choice" to have any power over us. Did that make sense?

That's the point I was trying to make.

[Tooter]

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

What in the H-E-double hockey sticks is "Rebounding"?

Rebounding is that little trampoline type thing that you can exercise on.

It's easy to store, and it doesn't put pressure on your body/ joints.

I'll take it out and put it in the living room and (when I start out) kinda walk in place while I am watching tv. I then will move on to jogging in place a little bit or you can "dance" on it etc...

[Tooter]

Well, I'm starting my exercise today.

It will only be about 20 minutes. Today I will do Crunches, some free weights and leg lifts.

The next day I will do 15 to 20 minutes on the "rebounder". I'll alternate. during the week.

[Lost and Found]

Originally Posted by Tooter

Well, I'm starting my exercise today.

It will only be about 20 minutes. Today I will do Crunches, some free weights and leg lifts.

The next day I will do 15 to 20 minutes on the "rebounder". I'll alternate. during the week.

That's really good Tooter!!!!

I'm sure that you feel better....when exercise is included-in on your day's routine.

I'm proud of you!!!!

[Lost and Found]

Well....guys!!!!

I broke the "news" to everyone here!!!!

My oldest wouldn't let me finish....before he abruptly said...."I'm not going", and left the room. I will attempt to explain to him again later.

My Mom said that he could stay here, and finish the semester...if we leave before the semester is done.

I have to go to Minnesota to get my books for the upcoming new semester. You can only charge against your financial aid in person for your books. This semester, all of my classes will be on-line....through my school in Minnesota.

While I am there....I will be getting on all of the waiting lists for housing too. If Brad won't come with....I'll only be able to request a 2 bedroom. I tried to explain to him that he will need a place to come home to for summers....but he was already in his "LaaaLaLa, LaLaLa...I'm not listening" mode. I guess that if I can only sign-up for a 2 bdrm....we'll just have to make do....when the time comes. I'm not going to delay this because of him.