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[Lost and Found]

Have fun at your appointment. Remember....What would these people do without your help?

[jeanran]

Thanks, Click.

Tooter posted this back on page 15 and it is great.

I'll get the link.

[jeanran]

Originally Posted by Tooter

Dinner tonight is A Beef, Portabella mushroom, cabbage and Noodle soup. Made with a combo of Shirataki noodles and a little Dreamfield's Linguine noodles.

A salad....


And for desert, this:

Rebecca's Flourless Blonde Brownies

I did add some chopped walnuts and some Sugar free Choclate bars that I cut up. I'll serve it with Home made whipped cream.

I tried the batter for it before I baked it! *drool*

Here it is, Click.

[Lost and Found]

Originally Posted by jeanran

Here it is, Click.

Sooo...you liked them...except for the aftertaste? Thanks for posting it again.

[Lost and Found]

Originally Posted by jeanran

Here it is, Click.

If these are as good as everyone was saying.....how did you eat just 1 ?

The carbs would add up quick....if you indulged too much!!!

[Lost and Found]

Jean...

Remember me saying that I read somewhere, and couldn't remember where, about only having 1 cup of salad a day...and that I was mixing things that I have read---I found it. Here it is. It was posted here on LCF. ----

1972 Atkin's plan by the book
He allowed fiber to be deducted later on because "HE" found through his own research is was ok to do so without hurting your weight loss.


NOTE* This is from the book, Bantam edition / September 1972 paperback...

Not sixty grams of carbohydrate on this diet but zero grams
Here’s how this diet is significantly different. During the first week on this diet, you cut your intake of carbohydrates down to what is biologically zero.
This creates a unique chemical situation in the body, the one favorable to the fastest possible burning of your body’s stored fat. Ketones are excreted, and hunger disappears.
You see, the first fuel your body burns for energy comes from the carbohydrates you eat and drink. If any carbohydrate is available, your body burns this rather than stored fat-and maintains its old metabolic pathways. But carbohydrates, as such, are not stored in the body beyond forty-eight hours.
So when no carbohydrate is taken in, your body must draw upon the major reserve source of fuel-the stored fat.
It is forced to take a different metabolic pathway. In this process your body converts from being a carbohydrate-burning engine.
This is The Diet Revolution: the new chemical situation in which ketones are being thrown off-and so are those unwanted pounds, all without hunger.
A gradual addition of carbohydrate to keep your body burning it’s fat as fuel. We must maintain this chemical situation if you’re to continue to lose without hunger. And if we add carbohydrate very gradually in tiny amounts-we can do just this… keep your body converted into a fat-burning engine.
So that is just what we do. The second week you might add a few grams of carbohydrate to your diet. Every week thereafter a little more carbohydrate (around five grams) may be returned to the diet.

The Rules of Original Atkins

The Diet Revolution Rules (Level One)
1. Don’t count calories (so why are so many counting them?)
2. Eat as much of the allowed foods as you need to avoid hunger.(see, no limit)
3. Don’t eat when you are not hungry.
4. Don’t feel you must finish everything on your plate just because it is there.
5. Drink as much water or calorie free beverages as thirst requires. Don’t restrict fluids… but it is not necessary to force them either.(It doesn't say anything about 1/2 your body weight in water)
6. Frequent small meals are preferable.
7. If weakness results from rapid weight loss, you may need salt.
8. Everyday take a high-strength multivitamin pill.
9. Read the labels on “low-calorie” drinks, syrups, desserts,. Only those with no carbohydrate content are allowed.

The First Life-Changing Week, eat nothing that is not on the list.
Meat: Steaks, Corned beef, Lamb chops, tongue, Hamburgers, Bacon, Any kind of meat in any quantity—except meat with fillers such as sausage, hot dogs, meatballs, most packaged “cold cuts”
Fowl: Duckling, Turkey, Chicken, Anything with wings, No stuffing
Desserts: Gelatin with artificial sweeteners (e.g., D-Zerta )
Condiments: Salt, pepper, mustard, horseradish, vinegar, vanilla, and other extracts; artificial sweeteners; any dry powdered spice that [i]contains no sugar
Drinks: Water, Mineral water, Vichy, Club soda; Beef or Chicken broth, bouillon; Sugar free diet soda; coffee*, tea, decaffeinated coffee
---------*Special note on caffeine and Diet Cola. Because most heavy people have some hypoglycemia, coffee, which contains caffeine, should be limited to six servings a day (cups). If you know you have low blood sugar, better limit it to three.
Fish: All fish, including canned salmon, tuna; any kind of seafood, including oil-packed and smoked, except oysters, clams, muscles, scallops, and pickled fish
Eggs: Boiled, fried, scrambled, poached, omelet – any style and without limitations(another NO LIMIT)
Salads: Two small green salads a day (each less than one cupful, loosely packed) made only of leafy greens, celery, or cucumbers and radishes. Dressings with vinegar, oil, salt, dry spices, herbs, grated cheese, or anchovies. Or else a sour pickle in place of a salad. Plus… green olives.
Butter & Mayonnaise Fats: Butter, margarine (head New Diet Revolution & eat no margarine with trans fatty acids), oils, shortening (not such a great idea), lard & mayonnaise (fats have no carbohydrates).
Juice: Juice of one lemon or lime
Cheese: Four ounces a day of any hard aged cheese. No cream cheese or cheese spreads.
Heavy Cream: Four teaspoons a day. (Cream has less carbohydrate than milk – so don’t use milk)
Diet Revolution Salad Material: Celery, Chicory, Chinese Cabbage, Chives, Cucumber, Endive, Escarole, Fennel, lettuce, Olives (Green or Black), Onions, Pickles (Sour or Dill), Parsley, Peppers, Radishes, Scallions, watercress.
What Happens After The First Week’s Diet. Most diets are fixed formulas and are therefore short-termed and self-limiting. This diet is fixed only for a week. After that – because it must be a lifetime diet, it is, as variable as are individual tastes.
I’ve labeled the additions of carbohydrate that follow’ second level’, ‘third level’, ‘fourth level’, ‘fifth level’, but in fact the additions are interchangeable and flexible. You can make any of these additions any week that you choose. I am so committed to making this a livable lifetime diet that I am letting you select your own variations, within the rules set up by your biological rulebook.
Put back what you’ve missed the most: The idea is simply to gradually return to your diet first what you missed most. Custom-tailor the diet to suit your carbohydrate additions to suit your lifestyle. All that matters is that you add back to your diet a little carbohydrate at a time, and that you stop adding carbohydrate when you reach your CCL.
How to know when to put back a little carbohydrate: Ask yourself: Are the keto-stix still turning purple? Am I still un-hungry? Have I stopped eating at night? Do I have more energy? Am I still losing weight or inches nicely? Remember, your tape measure is a lot better friend than your scale, not only more accurate, but better able to report on the actual fat (not just temporary water) losses this diet achieves.
The Second Level: Cheesecake for dessert? At each level, remember you add approximately five to eight grams of carbohydrate daily for a week and analyze the results. Most people agree the best way to handle the second level is to add cottage cheese…
The Diet Revolution Vegetables (not for level one): All of the above plus; Asparagus, Avocado, Bamboo Shoots, Bean Sprouts, Beet Greens, Broccoli, Brussels Sprouts, Cabbage, Cauliflower, Chard, Chinese Cabbage, eggplant, Kale, Kohlrabi, Mushrooms, Okra, Onions, Peppers, Pumpkins, Rhubarb, Sauerkraut, Snow Pea Pods, Spinach, String Beans, Summer Squash, Tomatoes, Turnips, Water Chestnuts, Wax Beans, Zucchini Squash

Sample menu, level one:
Breakfast: Scrambled eggs with spicy ham, Diet revolution roll and butter, Bouillon, coffee, or tea
Lunch: Cold cuts sandwich on Diet revolution Roll w/ mayo or mustard, 1 cup of salad (loosely packed), oil & vinegar, or a dressing from the recipe list, Raspberry gelatin, Diet soda, coffee, or tea
Dinner: Chicken soup with Matzoh Balls, Your favorite cut of steak, Caesar salad with Caesar Salad dressing, Gelatin, diet soda, coffee or tea
Snack: baken-ets, stuffed celery, diet soda.

Sample menu, level two:
Breakfast: Lox and stuffed onion omelet, caraway Diet revolution Roll with cream cheese, Bouillon, coffee, or tea
Lunch: Avocado stuffed with crabmeat, Tossed green salad with dressing from recipe list, diet soda, coffee, or tea
Dinner: Mixed grill with garlic Butter Sauce or Béarnaise Sauce, Tossed salad with French Dressing, Gelatin Parfait with whipped cream, diet soda, coffee, or tea
Snack: Assorted smoked fish, Hard cheese, Diet soda

Ok, there it is 'By The Book'

[Lost and Found]

Here is another one posted by Ixtapacheryl on another thread---the same one that I read the last one on:

ON THIS DIET YOU MUST TAKE A MULTIPLE VITAMIN AND MINERAL CAPSULE

FOODS

Meat (except liver and liver sausage)
Fish (except wine sauce herring)
Seafood (except oysters)
Poultry (nothing to be breaded or floured,
No BBQ sauce or catsup)
Eggs (fixed any way)
Natural Cheese (with wax around)
(No cottage cheese, processed or yogurt)
Butter, Oleo
Fat
Salt/Pepper and other seasonings
Artificial Sweetners
Mustard & Horseradish
Mayonnaise *
Sour Cream Dressing *
Low Calorie Dressing * w/no sugar
Mushrooms (1T)
Beef or Chicken boullion broth
(No other soups)

*These items contain 2 cal. Of sugar per Tablespoon – DO NOT use excessively
** If desired as often as listed

Fried Pork Rinds (can be used as breading)
Sugar Free Gum (NO sugar free candy or other dietetic foods)
Cool Whip topping *
D-Zerta Jello and D-Zerta topping
Plain Knox Gelatin and sugar free kool-aid (mix together to make jello)
1C of lettuce (twice a day) **
NO OTHER VEGETABLES
NO FRUIT


BEVERAGES

Water (1/2 your weight in oz.)
Sugar Free Soda
Sugar Free Kool-Aid
Black Coffee and tea
Hard Liquor: (NO wine except dry vermouth, NO apricot brandy, drambouye, Southern Comfort, Liquorers)
NO regular beer
Lite Beer OK – Micholob Lite or Miller Lite



This is why I was mixed up.....I was reading so many different things.

[Ailuros]

Dinner's over - I enjoyed the chicken. Afterwards I decided to have some cocoa, so I had a small cup (used an espresso cup) but made it very strong and creamy, and added some coconut powder too, but no sweetener - I don't normally use sweeteners, because I find they just perpetuate a taste for sweet things, which doesn't help me.

[jeanran]

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

Sooo...you liked them...except for the aftertaste? Thanks for posting it again.

Click, I didn't like the aftertaste of the peanut butter fudge but the Blondies were fabulous. Try them, I think you'll love them too.

[Ailuros]

Has anybody heard from Tooter? I know she was having some computer problems - is that where she is?

[hippiegirl]

Originally Posted by Ailuros

Has anybody heard from Tooter? I know she was having some computer problems - is that where she is?

I was wondering the same thing.

[jeanran]

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

Here is another one posted by Ixtapacheryl on another thread---the same one that I read the last one on:

ON THIS DIET YOU MUST TAKE A MULTIPLE VITAMIN AND MINERAL CAPSULE

FOODS

Meat (except liver and liver sausage)
Fish (except wine sauce herring)
Seafood (except oysters)
Poultry (nothing to be breaded or floured,
No BBQ sauce or catsup)
Eggs (fixed any way)
Natural Cheese (with wax around)
(No cottage cheese, processed or yogurt)
Butter, Oleo
Fat
Salt/Pepper and other seasonings
Artificial Sweetners
Mustard & Horseradish
Mayonnaise *
Sour Cream Dressing *
Low Calorie Dressing * w/no sugar
Mushrooms (1T)
Beef or Chicken boullion broth
(No other soups)

*These items contain 2 cal. Of sugar per Tablespoon – DO NOT use excessively
** If desired as often as listed

Fried Pork Rinds (can be used as breading)
Sugar Free Gum (NO sugar free candy or other dietetic foods)
Cool Whip topping *
D-Zerta Jello and D-Zerta topping
Plain Knox Gelatin and sugar free kool-aid (mix together to make jello)
1C of lettuce (twice a day) **
NO OTHER VEGETABLES
NO FRUIT


BEVERAGES

Water (1/2 your weight in oz.)
Sugar Free Soda
Sugar Free Kool-Aid
Black Coffee and tea
Hard Liquor: (NO wine except dry vermouth, NO apricot brandy, drambouye, Southern Comfort, Liquorers)
NO regular beer
Lite Beer OK – Micholob Lite or Miller Lite



This is why I was mixed up.....I was reading so many different things.

Click,

Hon, now I understand why you are so confused. You see I didn't realize the two books are so different. Even more has changed since the 2002 book came out at the Atkins site.

For months I used the Atkins site to educate me on this WOE. They can be brutal but honest in their opinions of what makes Atkins work best for your health. That's why I thought you should be eating more veggies and drinking water because that was the way I was taught.

We were on two different paths. I don't know if it makes a big difference which one you choose because they both work. Perhaps one is more healthy than the other. It's an individual choice.

I think there are some threads that support Atkins 2002 here at LCF, I need to check it out to see what opinions are out there.

What ever you choose for your permanent way of life, I wish you the best and hope things become more clear as you continue to research. We should never stagnate and always be willing to learn and you are definitely one that is eager for knowledge.

Jean

[jeanran]

Originally Posted by Ailuros

Dinner's over - I enjoyed the chicken. Afterwards I decided to have some cocoa, so I had a small cup (used an espresso cup) but made it very strong and creamy, and added some coconut powder too, but no sweetener - I don't normally use sweeteners, because I find they just perpetuate a taste for sweet things, which doesn't help me.

Ailuros, I have heard that sweeteners can cause more harm that good for some. I find that most everything I use them in has plenty of protein or fat and it becomes self limiting.

Click, you asked me that question about the Blondies, sorry I just remembered that I didn't respond. I can only eat one piece, then I am sated. I made only half the recipe and worry that I can eat it all before it goes stale.

The reason they talk about calories is to make sure you get enough because ketosis can kill the appetite and they don't want you to go into starvation mode.

Please remember, that what I follow is based on Atkins 2002 and the Atkins site. Others may have different a WOE that isn't purely Atkins, also. I just don't want to confuse you even more.

Jean

[jeanran]

Out of curiosity, is there anyone else here that follows Atkins 2002?

[Lost and Found]

Originally Posted by jeanran

Out of curiosity, is there anyone else here that follows Atkins 2002?

Sweetie.....YOU aren't confusing me. It's all of the info out there. I read, and read, and read....then, when deciding what to do...I was mixing them all up in my head!!!!

So, you can eat just one blondie...and it doesn't make you want more?

[Lost and Found]

Ohhhhhhh...TOOOOOOTER!!!!! Where are you!!!!?

[Lost and Found]

Jean,

I posted that so that you could see that I am not an airhead. I told you that I had read the lettuce thing somewhere, but I couldn't remember where. So, I looked for it, posted it...and wanted you to see that I wasn't just imagining things. I have added more veggies. I guess that I will see what the scale says on friday.

[Lost and Found]

Now...instead of worrying about getting 1 gr of carbs....I'm worried about going over 20. The desserts would worry me, as I wonder if I would eat the whole pan.

[jeanran]

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

Jean,

I posted that so that you could see that I am not an airhead. I told you that I had read the lettuce thing somewhere, but I couldn't remember where. So, I looked for it, posted it...and wanted you to see that I wasn't just imagining things. I have added more veggies. I guess that I will see what the scale says on friday.

Click,

Thank you for posting that, I totally understand now and apologize for badgering you.

It is difficult when we research because we want to do the right thing for our bodies and health, then get thrown so much conflicting info.

I find that all the time at the Atkins site. Atkins 2002 called DANDR (DR. Atkins New Diet Revolution) has statements that their site refutes, like not measuring veggies by cups but by carbs. Some of their menus give info that isn't on the 'Allowed' list, etc. How could we not be confused? I'm thinking they revise as they find better WOE's.

I have been reading some threads here on LCF and have found some good, sound advice. One of them was where Cheryl posted about calories.

Keep up the good work, we are all behind you...

BTW, when I went to the dentist they couldn't believe there was so little of me... That was the first thing out of their mouths. The asst. said, have you been losing weight on purpose... No, I just wanted to carry around two people...NOT! No, I didn't really say that!

Of course they wanted to know what I am doing and the dentist was pleased, of course, when I told him I am eating no sugar or starches except for the low glycemic veggies, nuts, etc. They love to hear, 'No Sugar'. I got an A+ today!

Jean

[jeanran]

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

Now...instead of worrying about getting 1 gr of carbs....I'm worried about going over 20. The desserts would worry me, as I wonder if I would eat the whole pan.

I'm not sure what others would advise about desserts but for me, they are so satisfying that I don't overeat.

I have really lost most of my desire for sweets. If I think I want something a bit different, I eat one of the legal choices, as I have mentioned, and do fine. Others, like Ailuros stays away from them because she knows her system.

Jean

[Lost and Found]

Originally Posted by jeanran

Click,

Thank you for posting that, I totally understand now and apologize for badgering you.

It is difficult when we research because we want to do the right thing for our bodies and health, then get thrown so much conflicting info.

I find that all the time at the Atkins site. Atkins 2002 called DANDR (DR. Atkins New Diet Revolution) has statements that their site refutes, like not measuring veggies by cups but by carbs. Some of their menus give info that isn't on the 'Allowed' list, etc. How could we not be confused? I'm thinking they revise as they find better WOE's.

I have been reading some threads here on LCF and have found some good, sound advice. One of them was where Cheryl posted about calories.

Keep up the good work, we are all behind you...

BTW, when I went to the dentist they couldn't believe there was so little of me... That was the first thing out of their mouths. The asst. said, have you been losing weight on purpose... No, I just wanted to carry around two people...NOT! No, I didn't really say that!

Of course they wanted to know what I am doing and the dentist was pleased, of course, when I told him I am eating no sugar or starches except for the low glycemic veggies, nuts, etc. They love to hear, 'No Sugar'. I got an A+ today!

Jean

You weren't badgering me!!!

You are a very helpful, sweet person.

I was, and still am, confused. In fact, I'm wondering if my 3 weeks of no change was due to the lack of carbs. I tried to keep them as close to "0" as possible. As soon as I did what you, and many others, said to do...the scale moved a pound. Now, I have the jiggles...and am excited to see what the scale says on Friday.

Congrats on the compliments!!! It feels nice, doesn't it? It's hard to comprehend how much the difference is showing when I really haven't lost a ton of weight....but the inches...they are disappearing. I, now, have to pull my jeans up every few steps that I take.

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