Old Timers and Newbies! - Page 15

hippiegirl · 01-06-2008, 07:38 PM

Here's my introduction - I wrote it for another thread that I'm active in. It was written at 4:30 in the morning and it rambles on and on, but it was from the heart. Sorry if it gets a little maudlin...

My Intro, Take II
My name is Kim. I'm 35. I've been divorced for about 3 years, and have two beautiful boys, Ian (6), and Kai (4).

I've been on a very long and slow road to discovering myself, trying to rediscover parts of me that I'd lost, and learning to accept all the parts that make up: Me. It hasn't always been easy. I've gone through some pretty difficult bouts of depression, I've been broke, bored, desperate, giddy, hopeful, hopeless, and often confused in the process. My kids are both brilliant and happy, and I feel that I can take a good deal of credit for that. When everything else has me down, I hold onto that fact with a very tight grip.

I spent about two years adding onto an already ample body after my divorce. Unfortunately, I'm a person who buries feelings and smothers sadness with food. I believe it was April of this year that I finally took a deep breath and decided that enough was enough. I'd actually weighed in and joined the gym where I worked at the time about a year before this. The number threw me into a tail-spin - I weighed as much as I had when I was PREGNANT with Kai! Yet I didn't go to the gym once for a whole year. Although i did keep up with my dues! When I started working on losing this weight in April, I did it through portion control. Although I've since decided that LC will work better for me for the long-haul, I'm glad I went through the process of assessing my portion sizes. It was very eye-opening to truly look at what I had been stuffing into myself for so long. Within a week, I was feeling more energetic and didn't need a daily nap. I also discovered the power of an online community at that time, at a site called sparkpeople.com. By June, I'd lost about 25 lbs. This last summer, my children had their first extended stay with their dad, so I went to vist them half-way through at the two week mark. My ex-husband had just re-married and had lost a lot of weight. I came home, unfortunately, with a desire to lose the rest of my weight FAST. So I googled. Rapid weight loss, fast weight loss, lose over 100 lbs, etc. And guess what I found? The dreaded Kimkins.com. I actually did try to find out more about the diet before I joined that website, but all the stuff I found had been planted by the site owner (unbeknownst to me. I've certainly learned a lot since then about online marketing!). Jimmy Moore, random articles by different people (which it turns out were either affiliates or Heidi K herself using a pen name). So anyway, I joined KK, read everything, psyched myself up. Surfed the threads constantly, and completely bought into the whole thing. I was obsessed. Absolutely obsessed. I can remember trying to make 8 baby shrimp seem satisfying. I can remember obsessively removing every last shred of carrot from a salad in a restaurant and eating about 4 bites of the salmon I'd ordered. I measured, I skimped. I savored the victorious feeling of being hungry and not giving into it. Somewhere along the way, I read that Heidi K had originally posted on LCF, so I dutifully found this site and the Ask Kimmer thread. I ate it up. I devoured ever word. And not a single warning bell went off. I believed all of it. I'm still incredibly embarassed by this. I can even remember recommending that others at the KK site check it out because it was so "informative and insightful". I cringe when I think about it and wish I could take it back.

Now, here's the lucky part of this little story: Only a few weeks into this (and I had lost about 15 more lbs by this time), I was checking out the Kimkins section on LCF and there was the first Fascination thread. I honestly started looking at it regularly because it was funny, fast-paced, and I thought it would go "poof" any minute. Around this time, i also decided to have a "day off" for my Birthday, on July 5. Once I had broken the ridiculous fast I'd had my body on for about 3 weeks, I absolutely could NOT rally around to re-starting. That's not to say that I didn't try. Or that I didn't beat myself up about it. But my body absolutely would not let me do it again. I needed to eat. i had actually been eating between 450 and 650 calories. A day. Seriously. So the combination of struggling and reading the Fascination thread (which was basically a full-time job!) brought me around. Slowly, because of the postings of a few very wise individuals who recognized it for the Anorexia How-To site it is, and the fact that they not only said it was dangerous, but said WHY it was dangerous, and listed examples and links and personal experiences, I woke up.

It was kind of like coming out of a cult. I would learn something, and then fight the new fact. I was afraid of food. I was afraid of fat. I was afraid of eating. So I decided to take a break. I read a lot on LCF and spent a ridiculous amount of time keeping up with the Fascination threads, but I was consciously "not dieting". I knew that I needed to back off and give my mind and body a break. Thank God.

It's been a difficult road back, but I believe I'm finally to the point where I can wrap my head around losing weight again. It's always been a mental issue with me, more than a physical. I have had many bad experiences with men throughout my life. And I've consciously and unconsciously made the connection that when I'm "attractive" I get hurt, preyed upon. I've had a vulnerability that predators saw, and I didn't know how to protect myself. I can remember thinking that i was being "punished for being pretty" as young as age 9. Maybe before that. This is a hard thing to say out loud, and a hard thing to explain to someone who hasn't experienced it.

So one of the things I struggle with the most is self-sabotage. Especially as soon as I see a tangible success, and especially a milestone. Like if I say - "wow, I've lost 10 lbs", or 20 lbs, or whatever, my mind starts concocting excuses for going off plan. Again, hard to explain, and something I'm fighting every step of the way. But real nonetheless. I am working on celebrating my achievements WITHOUT the self-sabotage. And I think I'm getting there. I definitely want to celebrate

I'm also, very recently, experimenting with the idea that maybe, just maybe, someone will love me for me. And not put me down, or react to everything I say and do and feel with derision. This is also very hard to wrap my head around. I've been working for years, since I split up with my ex-husband, on a) setting and keeping boundaries, and b) learning to be myself and not try to change to suit someone else's expectations. Both have been very difficult for me to learn and assert, but I think I'm there. (Can you say Hallelujah?!)

So that's about where I am. I've made incredible friends here at LCF, and feel very lucky to have met such fine, thoughtful, insightul, feisty, funny, caring, loving, wise people. Especially the people I've met in this group. I've laughed, cried, and had realizations galore in the short time I've been hanging out with this gang. And I honestly feel that the unconditional SUPPORT I've received from all of you has helped to heal something in me, and is still helping me to reach goals and develop confidence that I probably would have taken at least another few years to achieve.

And chat has been very valuable in getting to know people in a different and more spontaneous way. Not only does it distract me and keep me from thinking about food because I'm laughing so hard, but it also has led me to great resources and information. I definitely recommend it.

It's late, and I'm rambling. I've written a novel. But seriously, this is a great place to be and I'm happy I'm here.

Take a deep breath and hit "Submit Reply" button.
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Tooter · 01-07-2008, 02:45 AM

Good Morning! I just made a fresh pot of coffee and have Cream and Sweetener too. Please help yourselves.

Hippiegirl, What a Journey and What a Story!!!!!!

You really did the right thing, "taking a break" from dieting after leaving kimkins.
I am so thankful you are here at LCF.

Ailuros · 01-07-2008, 03:07 AM

Good morning, Tooter

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I've done my shopping, so I'm all stocked up with cheese, meat, blueberries and the rest.

Has anybody here read The Brain Trust? It's by Dr Larry McCleary, and is about ways to keep your brain healthy, from keeping it lively as you get older to dealing with menopausal brain fog or hot flashes. It has a forward by the Drs Eades (Protein Power authors) and broadly recommends a low carb diet with plenty of leafy green veggies, nuts and berries as well as meat, fish and good fats. He also recommends something that he calls a "ketogenic coctail," which is mainly medium chain triglycerides (very similar to the ones found in coconut oil) with a bit of flax oil and fish oil mixed in. I'm going to try it for a while, and I'll let you know if I notice any effect. He says that the flax and fish oils help your body to switch over to ketone production, and that a good supply of ketones to your brain helps it run well.

Tooter · 01-07-2008, 03:32 AM

Ailuros, I had never heard of the book. It sounds very interesting. Please keep us posted. I am also glad that you are stocked up with your low carb foods!

It's 6:30 am here and already it's 46*!! It's supposed to get to 62* today!!!

For some reason my "Smilies" won't work for me. hmm....

Woe, I remember awhile back you had told me that your wife was taking cod liver oil. Is she still taking it? Did she notice a "difference" and if so, what difference did it make for her?

Ailuros · 01-07-2008, 04:01 AM

Tooter, I heard of the book because Dr Mike Eades blogged about it a few months ago. Dr McCleary also has a blog at The Brain Trust Program by Dr. Larry McCleary. I don't think there's anything there that would make you change what you're doing, but it's always encouraging for me to hear about more benefits from eating this way!

Tooter · 01-07-2008, 04:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Ailuros

Tooter, I heard of the book because Dr Mike Eades blogged about it a few months ago. Dr McCleary also has a blog at The Brain Trust Program by Dr. Larry McCleary. I don't think there's anything there that would make you change what you're doing, but it's always encouraging for me to hear about more benefits from eating this way!

Exactly!! I'm going now to check out the link you left. Thank you!

Tooter · 01-07-2008, 05:35 AM

Here is a Good Read about "Fat" in our diets.

Our Love Affair With Fat - Second Opinions

Tooter · 01-07-2008, 05:57 AM

So far today:

2 Cups of Coffee with cream

1 Cup of White tea with Stevia and coconut oil

1 cup of Stonyfield Farm, Plain, Whole milk Organic yogurt (with the cream on top) and Liquid Vanilla Cream Yogurt.

1 Glass of ACV Drink with Liquid Vanilla Cream Stevia.

Ailuros · 01-07-2008, 06:04 AM

I've always enjoyed reading Barry Groves's site, Tooter - thanks for the reminder!

I forgot to mention earlier that my weight was 1 lb less this morning than yesterday. Still too high, but going the right way

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Tooter · 01-07-2008, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Ailuros

I've always enjoyed reading Barry Groves's site, Tooter - thanks for the reminder!

I forgot to mention earlier that my weight was 1 lb less this morning than yesterday. Still too high, but going the right way

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That is FANTASTIC!!!! (dang it, I still can use the smilies...Just imagine the hand clapping guy for me). lol

I love Barry Groves's Site too. It's good to read this stuff again.

Tooter · 01-07-2008, 07:50 AM

The One thing I HATE about Yogurt is...

It sure doesn't HOLD hunger at bay! *insert annoyed smiley*

I was starving and had to eat lunch already. Ribeye steak and a tossed salad with Olive Oil and ACV. Ah..... Much BETTER!! I don't think I'll do yogurt again for breakfast. Maybe as a snack or desert...but definately NOT breakfast again.

Ailuros · 01-07-2008, 07:53 AM

What sort of yoghurt do you eat? If I have yoghurt, I go for the Greek kind, which is 10% fat. It's still lighter than some breakfasts, but it's one I have fairly regularly.

Tooter · 01-07-2008, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Ailuros

What sort of yoghurt do you eat? If I have yoghurt, I go for the Greek kind, which is 10% fat. It's still lighter than some breakfasts, but it's one I have fairly regularly.

Stonyfield Farm's Organic, Whole Milk, plain yogurt (with the cream on top).

BRB Going to check the container on fat. 9 grams of fat per serving.

I don't know Why it does this to me. Maybe if I eat it with a piece of Coconut oil bark or with some cream cheese.

I can't figure it out.

I know that I can eat cream cheese mixed with peanut butter (and a little sweetner) in the morning and still not be actually "hungry" at lunch.

I had eaten it before with added fiber (awhile back) and it did "hold me" then, but I don't want to do that. Fiber is not the friend of a person with IBS, so I must limit the amounts I have.

woe · 01-07-2008, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Tooter

Woe, I remember awhile back you had told me that your wife was taking cod liver oil. Is she still taking it? Did she notice a "difference" and if so, what difference did it make for her?

No more.
She has the food allergies, and thought it was contributing to irritating her stomach.

Tooter · 01-07-2008, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by woe

No more.
She has the food allergies, and thought it was contributing to irritating her stomach.

That's a shame. I'm unsure if I want to try this or not, wanted to know her experience with it.

God Love her. Have any of the allergies gotten better or at least controlled?

woe · 01-07-2008, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Tooter

That's a shame. I'm unsure if I want to try this or not, wanted to know her experience with it.

God Love her. Have any of the allergies gotten better or at least controlled?

We drove to the allergy docs in early December.. They told her she could try eating
some of the things, but like just once a week, etc. I am not sure that she has done
a lot. She has let my daughter try some things and her tummy has still been ok.

Ailuros · 01-07-2008, 09:11 AM

Maybe yoghurt just isn't for you, Tooter.

I've taken cod liver oil on and off, and have never noticed any difference either way, though some people seem to have excellent results. I've never seen any change when I eat coconut oil, either.

Carbs seem to be the big thing for me - too many and I gain weight, get puffy ankles, feel sleepy and overfed, and get indigestion. Too few and I feel edgy and don't have any stamina or concentration. I really need to stay in the 40 - 60g per day band most of the time. And I find that small servings of whole grains or pulses (say 1/4 cup) work better for me than fruit. After reading Schwarzbein, I wonder if it's related to adrenal fatigue - particularly as I approach menopause where the adrenal glands start to have a bigger role in hormone regulation. (If you eat very low carb, adrenal hormones are what enables your body to use protein to make the small amount of glucose for those processes than need it.)

Tooter · 01-07-2008, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Ailuros

Maybe yoghurt just isn't for you, Tooter.

I've taken cod liver oil on and off, and have never noticed any difference either way, though some people seem to have excellent results. I've never seen any change when I eat coconut oil, either.

Carbs seem to be the big thing for me - too many and I gain weight, get puffy ankles, feel sleepy and overfed, and get indigestion. Too few and I feel edgy and don't have any stamina or concentration. I really need to stay in the 40 - 60g per day band most of the time. And I find that small servings of whole grains or pulses (say 1/4 cup) work better for me than fruit. After reading Schwarzbein, I wonder if it's related to adrenal fatigue - particularly as I approach menopause where the adrenal glands start to have a bigger role in hormone regulation. (If you eat very low carb, adrenal hormones are what enables your body to use protein to make the small amount of glucose for those processes than need it.)

Thanks, Ailuros. I think I'm not going to start the Cod liver oil. I'll stick with my limited amount of Flaxseeds and the Salmon I eat a few times a week.

It sure is nice to have people to "bounce" off of.

Thanks, Again.

Tooter · 01-07-2008, 09:22 AM

Jean, I think I'm going to break down and order a bunch of stuff from netrition.

I'll need to go through the different recipes and see exactly what I need, but My family really wants to do this with me, except they aren't as strict with their diet as I am. I definitely need to do more baking and such for them and keep it as low carb as I can.

I had always tried to do things with what I could buy locally, but most stores don't carry stuff and the prices at netriction are even better then locally what I pay. Heck, the shipping rate is about what I would pay in gas just to buy the stuff.

It will take me awhile to figure out what I need, but as soon as I do, I'm going to place an order.

So, Hopefully I can review for you soon.

woe · 01-07-2008, 09:35 AM

I just got a 2000 step walk/run in.. I slacked on exercise last week. Busy week.

Tooter · 01-07-2008, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by woe

I just got a 2000 step walk/run in.. I slacked on exercise last week. Busy week.

Good Job, Woe!!!!!!!

I'll be working out later today.

woe · 01-07-2008, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Tooter

Good Job, Woe!!!!!!!

I'll be working out later today.

I try to do a walk over lunch too. I like going by the new TCF stadium building site and
seeing what they are doing. That will be the new Gopher's football stadium..

Tooter · 01-07-2008, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by woe

I try to do a walk over lunch too. I like going by the new TCF stadium building site and
seeing what they are doing. That will be the new Gopher's football stadium..

Is that where we will meet in 2010? lol

woe · 01-07-2008, 10:21 AM

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01-06-2008, 07:38 PM	#421
hippiegirl Mrs. Robbie Williams Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Idaho (but originally from Northern California) Posts: 3,610 Gallery: hippiegirl Stats: 325/267/175, 5'11" WOE: Atkins, unlimited lc veggies - yum!	Here's my introduction - I wrote it for another thread that I'm active in. It was written at 4:30 in the morning and it rambles on and on, but it was from the heart. Sorry if it gets a little maudlin... My Intro, Take II My name is Kim. I'm 35. I've been divorced for about 3 years, and have two beautiful boys, Ian (6), and Kai (4). I've been on a very long and slow road to discovering myself, trying to rediscover parts of me that I'd lost, and learning to accept all the parts that make up: Me. It hasn't always been easy. I've gone through some pretty difficult bouts of depression, I've been broke, bored, desperate, giddy, hopeful, hopeless, and often confused in the process. My kids are both brilliant and happy, and I feel that I can take a good deal of credit for that. When everything else has me down, I hold onto that fact with a very tight grip. I spent about two years adding onto an already ample body after my divorce. Unfortunately, I'm a person who buries feelings and smothers sadness with food. I believe it was April of this year that I finally took a deep breath and decided that enough was enough. I'd actually weighed in and joined the gym where I worked at the time about a year before this. The number threw me into a tail-spin - I weighed as much as I had when I was PREGNANT with Kai! Yet I didn't go to the gym once for a whole year. Although i did keep up with my dues! When I started working on losing this weight in April, I did it through portion control. Although I've since decided that LC will work better for me for the long-haul, I'm glad I went through the process of assessing my portion sizes. It was very eye-opening to truly look at what I had been stuffing into myself for so long. Within a week, I was feeling more energetic and didn't need a daily nap. I also discovered the power of an online community at that time, at a site called sparkpeople.com. By June, I'd lost about 25 lbs. This last summer, my children had their first extended stay with their dad, so I went to vist them half-way through at the two week mark. My ex-husband had just re-married and had lost a lot of weight. I came home, unfortunately, with a desire to lose the rest of my weight FAST. So I googled. Rapid weight loss, fast weight loss, lose over 100 lbs, etc. And guess what I found? The dreaded Kimkins.com. I actually did try to find out more about the diet before I joined that website, but all the stuff I found had been planted by the site owner (unbeknownst to me. I've certainly learned a lot since then about online marketing!). Jimmy Moore, random articles by different people (which it turns out were either affiliates or Heidi K herself using a pen name). So anyway, I joined KK, read everything, psyched myself up. Surfed the threads constantly, and completely bought into the whole thing. I was obsessed. Absolutely obsessed. I can remember trying to make 8 baby shrimp seem satisfying. I can remember obsessively removing every last shred of carrot from a salad in a restaurant and eating about 4 bites of the salmon I'd ordered. I measured, I skimped. I savored the victorious feeling of being hungry and not giving into it. Somewhere along the way, I read that Heidi K had originally posted on LCF, so I dutifully found this site and the Ask Kimmer thread. I ate it up. I devoured ever word. And not a single warning bell went off. I believed all of it. I'm still incredibly embarassed by this. I can even remember recommending that others at the KK site check it out because it was so "informative and insightful". I cringe when I think about it and wish I could take it back. Now, here's the lucky part of this little story: Only a few weeks into this (and I had lost about 15 more lbs by this time), I was checking out the Kimkins section on LCF and there was the first Fascination thread. I honestly started looking at it regularly because it was funny, fast-paced, and I thought it would go "poof" any minute. Around this time, i also decided to have a "day off" for my Birthday, on July 5. Once I had broken the ridiculous fast I'd had my body on for about 3 weeks, I absolutely could NOT rally around to re-starting. That's not to say that I didn't try. Or that I didn't beat myself up about it. But my body absolutely would not let me do it again. I needed to eat. i had actually been eating between 450 and 650 calories. A day. Seriously. So the combination of struggling and reading the Fascination thread (which was basically a full-time job!) brought me around. Slowly, because of the postings of a few very wise individuals who recognized it for the Anorexia How-To site it is, and the fact that they not only said it was dangerous, but said WHY it was dangerous, and listed examples and links and personal experiences, I woke up. It was kind of like coming out of a cult. I would learn something, and then fight the new fact. I was afraid of food. I was afraid of fat. I was afraid of eating. So I decided to take a break. I read a lot on LCF and spent a ridiculous amount of time keeping up with the Fascination threads, but I was consciously "not dieting". I knew that I needed to back off and give my mind and body a break. Thank God. It's been a difficult road back, but I believe I'm finally to the point where I can wrap my head around losing weight again. It's always been a mental issue with me, more than a physical. I have had many bad experiences with men throughout my life. And I've consciously and unconsciously made the connection that when I'm "attractive" I get hurt, preyed upon. I've had a vulnerability that predators saw, and I didn't know how to protect myself. I can remember thinking that i was being "punished for being pretty" as young as age 9. Maybe before that. This is a hard thing to say out loud, and a hard thing to explain to someone who hasn't experienced it. So one of the things I struggle with the most is self-sabotage. Especially as soon as I see a tangible success, and especially a milestone. Like if I say - "wow, I've lost 10 lbs", or 20 lbs, or whatever, my mind starts concocting excuses for going off plan. Again, hard to explain, and something I'm fighting every step of the way. But real nonetheless. I am working on celebrating my achievements WITHOUT the self-sabotage. And I think I'm getting there. I definitely want to celebrate I'm also, very recently, experimenting with the idea that maybe, just maybe, someone will love me for me. And not put me down, or react to everything I say and do and feel with derision. This is also very hard to wrap my head around. I've been working for years, since I split up with my ex-husband, on a) setting and keeping boundaries, and b) learning to be myself and not try to change to suit someone else's expectations. Both have been very difficult for me to learn and assert, but I think I'm there. (Can you say Hallelujah?!) So that's about where I am. I've made incredible friends here at LCF, and feel very lucky to have met such fine, thoughtful, insightul, feisty, funny, caring, loving, wise people. Especially the people I've met in this group. I've laughed, cried, and had realizations galore in the short time I've been hanging out with this gang. And I honestly feel that the unconditional SUPPORT I've received from all of you has helped to heal something in me, and is still helping me to reach goals and develop confidence that I probably would have taken at least another few years to achieve. And chat has been very valuable in getting to know people in a different and more spontaneous way. Not only does it distract me and keep me from thinking about food because I'm laughing so hard, but it also has led me to great resources and information. I definitely recommend it. It's late, and I'm rambling. I've written a novel. But seriously, this is a great place to be and I'm happy I'm here. Take a deep breath and hit "Submit Reply" button. __________________ __________________ *Kim* Part of the Support Unlimited You Are Who You Think You Are Challenge... And I'm a Goddess, too! "If you believe in yourself, and with a tiny pinch of magic, all your dreams can come true" Spongebob Squarepants

01-07-2008, 02:45 AM	#422
Tooter Big Yapper!!!! Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 8,423 Gallery: Tooter Stats: 5' 6" and 128 lbs	Good Morning! I just made a fresh pot of coffee and have Cream and Sweetener too. Please help yourselves. Hippiegirl, What a Journey and What a Story!!!!!! You really did the right thing, "taking a break" from dieting after leaving kimkins. I am so thankful you are here at LCF.

01-07-2008, 03:07 AM	#423
Ailuros MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,650 Gallery: Ailuros Stats: Maintenance (since 2003) WOE: Controlled carb, real food Start Date: 2003	Good morning, Tooter . I've done my shopping, so I'm all stocked up with cheese, meat, blueberries and the rest. Has anybody here read The Brain Trust? It's by Dr Larry McCleary, and is about ways to keep your brain healthy, from keeping it lively as you get older to dealing with menopausal brain fog or hot flashes. It has a forward by the Drs Eades (Protein Power authors) and broadly recommends a low carb diet with plenty of leafy green veggies, nuts and berries as well as meat, fish and good fats. He also recommends something that he calls a "ketogenic coctail," which is mainly medium chain triglycerides (very similar to the ones found in coconut oil) with a bit of flax oil and fish oil mixed in. I'm going to try it for a while, and I'll let you know if I notice any effect. He says that the flax and fish oils help your body to switch over to ketone production, and that a good supply of ketones to your brain helps it run well.

01-07-2008, 03:32 AM	#424
Tooter Big Yapper!!!! Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 8,423 Gallery: Tooter Stats: 5' 6" and 128 lbs	Ailuros, I had never heard of the book. It sounds very interesting. Please keep us posted. I am also glad that you are stocked up with your low carb foods! It's 6:30 am here and already it's 46!! It's supposed to get to 62 today!!! For some reason my "Smilies" won't work for me. hmm.... Woe, I remember awhile back you had told me that your wife was taking cod liver oil. Is she still taking it? Did she notice a "difference" and if so, what difference did it make for her?

01-07-2008, 04:01 AM	#425
Ailuros MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,650 Gallery: Ailuros Stats: Maintenance (since 2003) WOE: Controlled carb, real food Start Date: 2003	Tooter, I heard of the book because Dr Mike Eades blogged about it a few months ago. Dr McCleary also has a blog at The Brain Trust Program by Dr. Larry McCleary. I don't think there's anything there that would make you change what you're doing, but it's always encouraging for me to hear about more benefits from eating this way!

01-07-2008, 05:35 AM	#427
Tooter Big Yapper!!!! Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 8,423 Gallery: Tooter Stats: 5' 6" and 128 lbs	Here is a Good Read about "Fat" in our diets. Our Love Affair With Fat - Second Opinions

01-07-2008, 05:57 AM	#428
Tooter Big Yapper!!!! Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 8,423 Gallery: Tooter Stats: 5' 6" and 128 lbs	So far today: 2 Cups of Coffee with cream 1 Cup of White tea with Stevia and coconut oil 1 cup of Stonyfield Farm, Plain, Whole milk Organic yogurt (with the cream on top) and Liquid Vanilla Cream Yogurt. 1 Glass of ACV Drink with Liquid Vanilla Cream Stevia.

01-07-2008, 06:04 AM	#429
Ailuros MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,650 Gallery: Ailuros Stats: Maintenance (since 2003) WOE: Controlled carb, real food Start Date: 2003	I've always enjoyed reading Barry Groves's site, Tooter - thanks for the reminder! I forgot to mention earlier that my weight was 1 lb less this morning than yesterday. Still too high, but going the right way .

01-07-2008, 07:50 AM	#431
Tooter Big Yapper!!!! Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 8,423 Gallery: Tooter Stats: 5' 6" and 128 lbs	The One thing I HATE about Yogurt is... It sure doesn't HOLD hunger at bay! insert annoyed smiley I was starving and had to eat lunch already. Ribeye steak and a tossed salad with Olive Oil and ACV. Ah..... Much BETTER!! I don't think I'll do yogurt again for breakfast. Maybe as a snack or desert...but definately NOT breakfast again.

01-07-2008, 07:53 AM	#432
Ailuros MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,650 Gallery: Ailuros Stats: Maintenance (since 2003) WOE: Controlled carb, real food Start Date: 2003	What sort of yoghurt do you eat? If I have yoghurt, I go for the Greek kind, which is 10% fat. It's still lighter than some breakfasts, but it's one I have fairly regularly.

01-07-2008, 09:11 AM	#437
Ailuros MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,650 Gallery: Ailuros Stats: Maintenance (since 2003) WOE: Controlled carb, real food Start Date: 2003	Maybe yoghurt just isn't for you, Tooter. I've taken cod liver oil on and off, and have never noticed any difference either way, though some people seem to have excellent results. I've never seen any change when I eat coconut oil, either. Carbs seem to be the big thing for me - too many and I gain weight, get puffy ankles, feel sleepy and overfed, and get indigestion. Too few and I feel edgy and don't have any stamina or concentration. I really need to stay in the 40 - 60g per day band most of the time. And I find that small servings of whole grains or pulses (say 1/4 cup) work better for me than fruit. After reading Schwarzbein, I wonder if it's related to adrenal fatigue - particularly as I approach menopause where the adrenal glands start to have a bigger role in hormone regulation. (If you eat very low carb, adrenal hormones are what enables your body to use protein to make the small amount of glucose for those processes than need it.)

01-07-2008, 09:22 AM	#439
Tooter Big Yapper!!!! Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 8,423 Gallery: Tooter Stats: 5' 6" and 128 lbs	Jean, I think I'm going to break down and order a bunch of stuff from netrition. I'll need to go through the different recipes and see exactly what I need, but My family really wants to do this with me, except they aren't as strict with their diet as I am. I definitely need to do more baking and such for them and keep it as low carb as I can. I had always tried to do things with what I could buy locally, but most stores don't carry stuff and the prices at netriction are even better then locally what I pay. Heck, the shipping rate is about what I would pay in gas just to buy the stuff. It will take me awhile to figure out what I need, but as soon as I do, I'm going to place an order. So, Hopefully I can review for you soon.

01-07-2008, 09:35 AM	#440
woe Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Minnesota Posts: 24,011 Gallery: woe WOE: Protein Power/Maintainence Start Date: 5/4/99	I just got a 2000 step walk/run in.. I slacked on exercise last week. Busy week.

01-07-2008, 10:21 AM	#444
woe Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Minnesota Posts: 24,011 Gallery: woe WOE: Protein Power/Maintainence Start Date: 5/4/99	Quote: