Old Timers and Newbies!

[Tooter]

Originally Posted by Ailuros

There is some speculation that soy messes with your hormones, and mine are messed up enough already, so I don't want to risk it.

Also it tastes nasty.

Yep, soy is NASTY!!! It truly does mess up hormones. BUT...I was doing some reading and the Fermented Soy is ok. That would be Soy sauce, miso and something else. Soy flour isn't it.

Oh, and Pear, Soy flour taste like Crap. You can't get the "after taste" out of your mouth. It's the taste of Raw Soy beans *shiver*. Years ago I bought some soy flour, because some recipes called for it. *shiver* NEVER again.

If I am going to bake something, I will use almond flour, thankyouverymuch.

[Tooter]

Myths and Truths About Soy


Myths & Truths About Soy

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Myth: Use of soy as a food dates back many thousands of years.

Truth: Soy was first used as a food during the late Chou dynasty (1134-246 BC), only after the Chinese learned to ferment soy beans to make foods like tempeh, natto and tamari.

Myth: Asians consume large amounts of soy foods.

Truth: Average consumption of soy foods in Japan and China is 10 grams (about 2 teaspoons) per day. Asians consume soy foods in small amounts as a condiment, and not as a replacement for animal foods.

Myth: Modern soy foods confer the same health benefits as traditionally fermented soy foods.

Truth: Most modern soy foods are not fermented to neutralize toxins in soybeans, and are processed in a way that denatures proteins and increases levels of carcinogens.

Myth: Soy foods provide complete protein.

Truth: Like all legumes, soy beans are deficient in sulfur-containing amino acids methionine and cystine. In addition, modern processing denatures fragile lysine.

Myth: Fermented soy foods can provide vitamin B12 in vegetarian diets.

Truth: The compound that resembles vitamin B12 in soy cannot be used by the human body; in fact, soy foods cause the body to require more B12

Myth: Soy formula is safe for infants.

Truth: Soy foods contain trypsin inhibitors that inhibit protein digestion and affect pancreatic function. In test animals, diets high in trypsin inhibitors led to stunted growth and pancreatic disorders. Soy foods increase the body's requirement for vitamin D, needed for strong bones and normal growth. Phytic acid in soy foods results in reduced bioavailabilty of iron and zinc which are required for the health and development of the brain and nervous system. Soy also lacks cholesterol, likewise essential for the development of the brain and nervous system. Megadoses of phytoestrogens in soy formula have been implicated in the current trend toward increasingly premature sexual development in girls and delayed or retarded sexual development in boys.

Myth: Soy foods can prevent osteoporosis.

Truth: Soy foods can cause deficiencies in calcium and vitamin D, both needed for healthy bones. Calcium from bone broths and vitamin D from seafood, lard and organ meats prevent osteoporosis in Asian countries—not soy foods.

Myth: Modern soy foods protect against many types of cancer.

Truth: A British government report concluded that there is little evidence that soy foods protect against breast cancer or any other forms of cancer. In fact, soy foods may result in an increased risk of cancer.

Myth: Soy foods protect against heart disease.

Truth: In some people, consumption of soy foods will lower cholesterol, but there is no evidence that lowering cholesterol improves one's risk of having heart disease.

Myth: Soy estrogens (isoflavones) are good for you.

Truth: Soy isoflavones are phyto-endocrine disrupters. At dietary levels, they can prevent ovulation and stimulate the growth of cancer cells. Eating as little as 30 grams (about 4 tablespoons) of soy per day can result in hypothyroidism with symptoms of lethargy, constipation, weight gain and fatigue.

Myth: Soy foods are safe and beneficial for women to use in their postmenopausal years.

Truth: Soy foods can stimulate the growth of estrogen-dependent tumors and cause thyroid problems. Low thyroid function is associated with difficulties in menopause.

Myth: Phytoestrogens in soy foods can enhance mental ability.

Truth: A recent study found that women with the highest levels of estrogen in their blood had the lowest levels of cognitive function; In Japanese Americans tofu consumption in mid-life is associated with the occurrence of Alzheimer's disease in later life.

Myth: Soy isoflavones and soy protein isolate have GRAS (Generally Recognized as Safe) status.

Truth: Archer Daniels Midland (ADM) recently withdrew its application to the FDA for GRAS status for soy isoflavones following an outpouring of protest from the scientific community. The FDA never approved GRAS status for soy protein isolate because of concern regarding the presence of toxins and carcinogens in processed soy.

Myth: Soy foods are good for your sex life.

Truth: Numerous animal studies show that soy foods cause infertility in animals. Soy consumption enhances hair growth in middle-aged men, indicating lowered testosterone levels. Japanese housewives feed tofu to their husbands frequently when they want to reduce his virility.

Myth: Soy beans are good for the environment.

Truth: Most soy beans grown in the US are genetically engineered to allow farmers to use large amounts of herbicides.

Myth: Soy beans are good for developing nations.

Truth: In third world countries, soybeans replace traditional crops and transfer the value-added of processing from the local population to multinational corporations.

[Tooter]

I also wanted to add... Soy is really BAD for your thyroid.

The strange thing is, most low carb treats are made with... You guessed it, SOY!

[*Pear*]

Wow, warning taken.

No soy baked goods for me.

Thanks for the ejukatin'.

[Tooter]

Soy Alert!


Confused About Soy?--Soy Dangers Summarized

* High levels of phytic acid in soy reduce assimilation of calcium, magnesium, copper, iron and zinc. Phytic acid in soy is not neutralized by ordinary preparation methods such as soaking, sprouting and long, slow cooking. High phytate diets have caused growth problems in children.
* Trypsin inhibitors in soy interfere with protein digestion and may cause pancreatic disorders. In test animals soy containing trypsin inhibitors caused stunted growth.
* Soy phytoestrogens disrupt endocrine function and have the potential to cause infertility and to promote breast cancer in adult women.
* Soy phytoestrogens are potent antithyroid agents that cause hypothyroidism and may cause thyroid cancer. In infants, consumption of soy formula has been linked to autoimmune thyroid disease.
* Vitamin B12 analogs in soy are not absorbed and actually increase the body's requirement for B12.
* Soy foods increase the body's requirement for vitamin D.
* Fragile proteins are denatured during high temperature processing to make soy protein isolate and textured vegetable protein.
* Processing of soy protein results in the formation of toxic lysinoalanine and highly carcinogenic nitrosamines.
* Free glutamic acid or MSG, a potent neurotoxin, is formed during soy food processing and additional amounts are added to many soy foods.
* Soy foods contain high levels of aluminum which is toxic to the nervous system and the kidneys.

[Tooter]

Originally Posted by *Pear*

Wow, warning taken.

No soy baked goods for me.

Thanks for the ejukatin'.

I had to learn the hard way!

[Ailuros]

The chicken was very good . Sprinkled with smoked paprika, then rolled up with mozzarella, topped with mayo mixed with a tsp of pomegranate molasses (& a bit of spare mozarella) and baked for 15 mins. And no grains .

[Tooter]

Originally Posted by Ailuros

The chicken was very good . Sprinkled with smoked paprika, then rolled up with mozzarella, topped with mayo mixed with a tsp of pomegranate molasses (& a bit of spare mozarella) and baked for 15 mins. And no grains .

I think you and I should have T-shirts made up that say "NO GRAINS". Just so we don't forget.

Your dinner sounded wonderful.

[Tooter]

Ailuros, how do you do with Legumes?

I decided to have the Chili tonight. The "Heathens" Had White bread with butter to go along with it.

I made myself a small bowl, and then took a large chunk of butter (my husband stopped me right there and said) "You are NOT going to eat that are you"? I plopped the chunk of butter into my Chili and then reached for another one and plopped that in too!! LMAO I said, you dip your bread and butter in it, right? What's the difference? Besides, I need the fat.

It was REALLY good. I didn't miss the bread at all. I feel very full.

[Lost and Found]

Hi...everyone!!!!!!

I remember Tooter, and I, discussing soy...a while back. She even pointed out that tuna has soy in it. This reminded me to say that there is some expensive canned tuna (I think it had a gold label of some sorts) that didn't list soy in the ingredients. I saw it, but can't remember the brand name? It wasn't cheap though...in comparism to the "regular" stuff!!!

Ailuros...your dinner sounds great. Kind of Italian, kind 'of not. The mix of the different flavours would be a treat for the mouth. (chicken, mozzarella, mayo mixed with pomegranate molasses.) Didn't that make a savoury thing sweet...which is non-traditional to your area? Did the pom. molasses give it a sweet flavour? Or did it cook down to taste like something else? None-the-less....it sounds very ailuring...Ailuros!!!!

Pear...I hope that you are having a good day. By the way....out of the blue...you, sometimes, pop in with a real good one that makes me laugh!!! (Pear always feels fresh, so she can stayfree of tampax irritations.)

[Lost and Found]

Originally Posted by Tooter

Ailuros, how do you do with Legumes?

I decided to have the Chili tonight. The "Heathens" Had White bread with butter to go along with it.

I made myself a small bowl, and then took a large chunk of butter (my husband stopped me right there and said) "You are NOT going to eat that are you"? I plopped the chunk of butter into my Chili and then reached for another one and plopped that in too!! LMAO I said, you dip your bread and butter in it, right? What's the difference? Besides, I need the fat.

It was REALLY good. I didn't miss the bread at all. I feel very full.

Sounds gross, but I like peanut butter bread with chili. I, also, like chili with cheese, sour cream, and lots of crackers. Not to good for this woe.

[Lost and Found]

Well...I'm starting to smell the roast...and it smells good!!!!


I suppose that I should start the rest of the supper...before the roast is all of the way done.

I have to be to work at 8 tonight, and probably won't get done until 2.

So, if I don't "talk" with you all before I go...I'll talk with you tomorrow.

[jeanran]

[hippiegirl]

I'm drinking cheap wine.

Just felt like sharing (not the wine, just the fact!)

[*Pear*]

Originally Posted by jeanran

Hey Jean, you look happy!!! (ok, that may be an understatement).


Are you in WA or CA?

[*Pear*]

Originally Posted by hippiegirl

I'm drinking cheap wine.

Just felt like sharing (not the wine, just the fact!)

Is that out of a box or a bottle?

*Pear drinks box wine*

[*Pear*]

Pear's attempt at food porn:

Dinner tonight was sliced up pork roast sprinkled with salt, pepper and bourbon marinade and gently grilled on the barbie. To accompany it, I have prepared a nice saute sauce made with peanut butter and soy sauce. The taste was quite delectible. For my beverage, I had a Pepsi Jazz right out of the can, lightly chilled from being out in the car. For dessert, a chocolate covered ice cream bar which perfectly finished off the meal.

[*Pear*]

Warning!!! Cuteness below....

















Don't say I didnt warn you...

[hippiegirl]

Originally Posted by *Pear*

Is that out of a box or a bottle?

*Pear drinks box wine*

A bottle, of course! $7.00 - Yellowtail Cabernet-Chiraz. Very yummy, and very gone!

Originally Posted by *Pear*

Pear's attempt at food porn:

Dinner tonight was sliced up pork roast sprinkled with salt, pepper and bourbon marinade and gently grilled on the barbie. To accompany it, I have prepared a nice saute sauce made with peanut butter and soy sauce. The taste was quite delectible. For my beverage, I had a Pepsi Jazz right out of the can, lightly chilled from being out in the car. For dessert, a chocolate covered ice cream bar which perfectly finished off the meal.

LOL!

Originally Posted by *Pear*

Warning!!! Cuteness below....

















Don't say I didnt warn you...

Awwwww!

[hippiegirl]

Hippie's attempt at food porn:

Tonight we had reheated, sliced Top Sirloin that was on sale last night at the local store. It was sliced and re-heated in a non-stick teflon pan (can you call that searing? searing sounds so foody!). Served on green and yellow plastic plates with canned peaches for the underage, with lovely bottled bbq sauce and teriyaki sauce for dipping. Eaten straight out of the pan by the chef.

[*Pear*]

Originally Posted by hippiegirl

Hippie's attempt at food porn:

Tonight we had reheated, sliced Top Sirloin that was on sale last night at the local store. It was sliced and re-heated in a non-stick teflon pan (can you call that searing? searing sounds so foody!). Served on green and yellow plastic plates with canned peaches for the underage, with lovely bottled bbq sauce and teriyaki sauce for dipping. Eaten straight out of the pan by the chef.

Seared in a teflon pan....

How 'bout them peaches... a little carby perhaps?