Old Timers and Newbies Challenge

[Dottie]

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

Well guys....I've decided to go with Adtkin's-the old one!!! So, I can have cream, a little "0" carb cheese, but no cream cheese. No more broccoli for a while, but salad is fine!!! This seems easier for me to follow--less choices!!! Hopefully, this next week I see something as good as Pear is experiencing!!! Did you guys see how much she lost in ONE week? My tiny two pounds is embarrassing in comparism.

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[Lost and Found]

Originally Posted by Dottie

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Hi, Dottie!!!!

[winslow]

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

Well guys....I've decided to go with Adtkin's-the old one!!! So, I can have cream, a little "0" carb cheese, but no cream cheese. No more broccoli for a while, but salad is fine!!! This seems easier for me to follow--less choices!!! Hopefully, this next week I see something as good as Pear is experiencing!!! Did you guys see how much she lost in ONE week? My tiny two pounds is embarrassing in comparism.

GREAT!!!
2 things. cheese has carbs
It's Atkins.

[Lost and Found]

Originally Posted by winslow

GREAT!!!
2 things. cheese has carbs
It's Atkins.

The Provolone cheese I just saw at the grocery store "says" 0 carbs on the package!!!

I saw this:

1972 Atkin's plan by the book
He allowed fiber to be deducted later on because "HE" found through his own research is was ok to do so without hurting your weight loss.


NOTE* This is from the book, Bantam edition / September 1972 paperback...

Not sixty grams of carbohydrate on this diet but zero grams
Here’s how this diet is significantly different. During the first week on this diet, you cut your intake of carbohydrates down to what is biologically zero.
This creates a unique chemical situation in the body, the one favorable to the fastest possible burning of your body’s stored fat. Ketones are excreted, and hunger disappears.
You see, the first fuel your body burns for energy comes from the carbohydrates you eat and drink. If any carbohydrate is available, your body burns this rather than stored fat-and maintains its old metabolic pathways. But carbohydrates, as such, are not stored in the body beyond forty-eight hours.
So when no carbohydrate is taken in, your body must draw upon the major reserve source of fuel-the stored fat.
It is forced to take a different metabolic pathway. In this process your body converts from being a carbohydrate-burning engine.
This is The Diet Revolution: the new chemical situation in which ketones are being thrown off-and so are those unwanted pounds, all without hunger.
A gradual addition of carbohydrate to keep your body burning it’s fat as fuel. We must maintain this chemical situation if you’re to continue to lose without hunger. And if we add carbohydrate very gradually in tiny amounts-we can do just this… keep your body converted into a fat-burning engine.
So that is just what we do. The second week you might add a few grams of carbohydrate to your diet. Every week thereafter a little more carbohydrate (around five grams) may be returned to the diet.

The Rules of Original Atkins

The Diet Revolution Rules (Level One)
1. Don’t count calories (so why are so many counting them?)
2. Eat as much of the allowed foods as you need to avoid hunger.(see, no limit)
3. Don’t eat when you are not hungry.
4. Don’t feel you must finish everything on your plate just because it is there.
5. Drink as much water or calorie free beverages as thirst requires. Don’t restrict fluids… but it is not necessary to force them either.(It doesn't say anything about 1/2 your body weight in water)
6. Frequent small meals are preferable.
7. If weakness results from rapid weight loss, you may need salt.
8. Everyday take a high-strength multivitamin pill.
9. Read the labels on “low-calorie” drinks, syrups, desserts,. Only those with no carbohydrate content are allowed.

The First Life-Changing Week, eat nothing that is not on the list.
Meat: Steaks, Corned beef, Lamb chops, tongue, Hamburgers, Bacon, Any kind of meat in any quantity—except meat with fillers such as sausage, hot dogs, meatballs, most packaged “cold cuts”
Fowl: Duckling, Turkey, Chicken, Anything with wings, No stuffing
Desserts: Gelatin with artificial sweeteners (e.g., D-Zerta )
Condiments: Salt, pepper, mustard, horseradish, vinegar, vanilla, and other extracts; artificial sweeteners; any dry powdered spice that [i]contains no sugar
Drinks: Water, Mineral water, Vichy, Club soda; Beef or Chicken broth, bouillon; Sugar free diet soda; coffee*, tea, decaffeinated coffee
---------*Special note on caffeine and Diet Cola. Because most heavy people have some hypoglycemia, coffee, which contains caffeine, should be limited to six servings a day (cups). If you know you have low blood sugar, better limit it to three.
Fish: All fish, including canned salmon, tuna; any kind of seafood, including oil-packed and smoked, except oysters, clams, muscles, scallops, and pickled fish
Eggs: Boiled, fried, scrambled, poached, omelet – any style and without limitations(another NO LIMIT)
Salads: Two small green salads a day (each less than one cupful, loosely packed) made only of leafy greens, celery, or cucumbers and radishes. Dressings with vinegar, oil, salt, dry spices, herbs, grated cheese, or anchovies. Or else a sour pickle in place of a salad. Plus… green olives.
Butter & Mayonnaise Fats: Butter, margarine (head New Diet Revolution & eat no margarine with trans fatty acids), oils, shortening (not such a great idea), lard & mayonnaise (fats have no carbohydrates).
Juice: Juice of one lemon or lime
Cheese: Four ounces a day of any hard aged cheese. No cream cheese or cheese spreads.
Heavy Cream: Four teaspoons a day. (Cream has less carbohydrate than milk – so don’t use milk)
Diet Revolution Salad Material: Celery, Chicory, Chinese Cabbage, Chives, Cucumber, Endive, Escarole, Fennel, lettuce, Olives (Green or Black), Onions, Pickles (Sour or Dill), Parsley, Peppers, Radishes, Scallions, watercress.
What Happens After The First Week’s Diet. Most diets are fixed formulas and are therefore short-termed and self-limiting. This diet is fixed only for a week. After that – because it must be a lifetime diet, it is, as variable as are individual tastes.
I’ve labeled the additions of carbohydrate that follow’ second level’, ‘third level’, ‘fourth level’, ‘fifth level’, but in fact the additions are interchangeable and flexible. You can make any of these additions any week that you choose. I am so committed to making this a livable lifetime diet that I am letting you select your own variations, within the rules set up by your biological rulebook.
Put back what you’ve missed the most: The idea is simply to gradually return to your diet first what you missed most. Custom-tailor the diet to suit your carbohydrate additions to suit your lifestyle. All that matters is that you add back to your diet a little carbohydrate at a time, and that you stop adding carbohydrate when you reach your CCL.
How to know when to put back a little carbohydrate: Ask yourself: Are the keto-stix still turning purple? Am I still un-hungry? Have I stopped eating at night? Do I have more energy? Am I still losing weight or inches nicely? Remember, your tape measure is a lot better friend than your scale, not only more accurate, but better able to report on the actual fat (not just temporary water) losses this diet achieves.
The Second Level: Cheesecake for dessert? At each level, remember you add approximately five to eight grams of carbohydrate daily for a week and analyze the results. Most people agree the best way to handle the second level is to add cottage cheese…
The Diet Revolution Vegetables (not for level one): All of the above plus; Asparagus, Avocado, Bamboo Shoots, Bean Sprouts, Beet Greens, Broccoli, Brussels Sprouts, Cabbage, Cauliflower, Chard, Chinese Cabbage, eggplant, Kale, Kohlrabi, Mushrooms, Okra, Onions, Peppers, Pumpkins, Rhubarb, Sauerkraut, Snow Pea Pods, Spinach, String Beans, Summer Squash, Tomatoes, Turnips, Water Chestnuts, Wax Beans, Zucchini Squash

Sample menu, level one:
Breakfast: Scrambled eggs with spicy ham, Diet revolution roll and butter, Bouillon, coffee, or tea
Lunch: Cold cuts sandwich on Diet revolution Roll w/ mayo or mustard, 1 cup of salad (loosely packed), oil & vinegar, or a dressing from the recipe list, Raspberry gelatin, Diet soda, coffee, or tea
Dinner: Chicken soup with Matzoh Balls, Your favorite cut of steak, Caesar salad with Caesar Salad dressing, Gelatin, diet soda, coffee or tea
Snack: baken-ets, stuffed celery, diet soda.

Sample menu, level two:
Breakfast: Lox and stuffed onion omelet, caraway Diet revolution Roll with cream cheese, Bouillon, coffee, or tea
Lunch: Avocado stuffed with crabmeat, Tossed green salad with dressing from recipe list, diet soda, coffee, or tea
Dinner: Mixed grill with garlic Butter Sauce or Béarnaise Sauce, Tossed salad with French Dressing, Gelatin Parfait with whipped cream, diet soda, coffee, or tea
Snack: Assorted smoked fish, Hard cheese, Diet soda

Ok, there it is 'By The Book'

Is this info correct?

[Lost and Found]

So far today:

Turkey and bacon wrapped in romaine with mayo
Few slices of ham lunch meat
pork rinds
diet rootbeer
water

Anticipated supper:
lettuce with cucumber salad
steak
shrimp

[winslow]

Cheese has carbs. The labels aren't always right. In 1970 Dr. Atkins didn't allow fiber to subtracted. Aim for 20, not 0 carbs. I don't have time now because my son is playing a show and we are off to cheer him on. Send me a PM, and I'll go over your menu with you. OK. Good luck. I hope you know that I truly want to help and not nitpick. It takes a while to just know all of this. It takes time.

[jeanran]

Pear, I am very interested in using Carblog. Do you have to pay $40 for the Adkins software to use Carblog? I think that may be the way to go for me because I am interested in keeping this WOE very clean.

Thanks for the tip.

Jean

[Lost and Found]

Hi, Jean!!!

Hope your weekend is going good!!! Isn't Pears success inspiring?

[*Pear*]

Sorry, I didnt mean to confuse you all. I started Atkins two weeks ago at 228, my all time high was 241. I just whooshed 4lbs since yesterday.

Let me see where I can find the carblog download...
SourceForge.net: Files

scroll down and download the binary zip. Its abandonware now, so there is no support.

I like it just as much as the Atkins program, but its free. There is a manual in the zip file, do be sure to read it. Remember its for a palm.

[*Pear*]

Wanted to add: Yesterday, I drank 3 pots of black tea. I dont know if it had anything to do with today's loss.

[Lost and Found]

Pear...that is still just great!!!! Just think if this happens every two weeks for you!!! Those whooshes I bet make you feel really good on the inside!!! Just remember....do not reward yourself with something bad!!!!

[Lost and Found]

Originally Posted by *Pear*

Wanted to add: Yesterday, I drank 3 pots of black tea. I dont know if it had anything to do with today's loss.

Hhhmmmmmm!!! Black tea....maybe!?!?! Someone here should know!!!

[*Pear*]

I was ecstatic this morning when I saw the loss. I'm lower now than my Kimkins low. *happy dance*

L&F I'm sure you'll have a whoosh soon too. I have the Atkins 72 book. I've tossed new Atkins and Atkins 72 back and forth. I've decided though that I like the net carbs, so new Atkins for me. Its always a personal choice. I'm sure you will do very well with Atkins 72.

[tzfradaha]

Hope everyone is having a great week-end. I have just started experimenting with baking and made some wonderful choc. whey protein pumpkin muffins and they were fantastic.
I am really having great success with the ground almonds.
Have a great day.
tz

[Lost and Found]

Originally Posted by tzfradaha

Hope everyone is having a great week-end. I have just started experimenting with baking and made some wonderful choc. whey protein pumpkin muffins and they were fantastic.
I am really having great success with the ground almonds.
Have a great day.
tz

Hi!!! There!!!

You'll have to share some of your recipes sometime!!!! Hope that you are having a wonderful weekend!!!

[Lost and Found]

Originally Posted by *Pear*

I was ecstatic this morning when I saw the loss. I'm lower now than my Kimkins low. *happy dance*

L&F I'm sure you'll have a whoosh soon too. I have the Atkins 72 book. I've tossed new Atkins and Atkins 72 back and forth. I've decided though that I like the net carbs, so new Atkins for me. Its always a personal choice. I'm sure you will do very well with Atkins 72.

I will probably stick with the '72 version until I get used to all of this!!! It just seems easier!!!

[Lost and Found]

Originally Posted by *Pear*

Wanted to add: Yesterday, I drank 3 pots of black tea. I dont know if it had anything to do with today's loss.

If someone has some info on your black tea....I will probably be drinking it by the gallon....if it helps the weight dilemma!!!

[*Pear*]

Sounds yummy TZ I'm staying away from nuts until after induction. Feel free to post any of your sucessful experiments.

Its snowing really hard here.

[*Pear*]

This was the tea I was drinking yesterday. I dont think it had any magical ingredients Stonewall Kitchen - Raspberry Peach Tea but it sure tasted good, even without splenda.

I'm all about simplicity L&F, thats why I couldn't figure out South Beach. It seemed too structed to me. I like to have a list and eat off of it my way.

[jeanran]

Pear, I downloaded a free trial for my PC but can only use it 4 times, if I buy it the cost is $24. Do you know if there is a free version for my PC? I don't have a palm.

Greetings to everyone.

Lost & Found, I am glad you chose a WOE, I wish you great success. I know nothing about Atkins 72 but know you can do it if you set your mind to it.

Jean

[*Pear*]

Which version is that? Carblog (free at link I posted) is only for the palm. The atkins one is for palm and windows Atkins Carb Counter If you found it for $24 let me know where.

Also, you can use fitday or sparkpeople online (free).

[Lost and Found]

Originally Posted by *Pear*

This was the tea I was drinking yesterday. I dont think it had any magical ingredients Stonewall Kitchen - Raspberry Peach Tea but it sure tasted good, even without splenda.

I'm all about simplicity L&F, thats why I couldn't figure out South Beach. It seemed too structed to me. I like to have a list and eat off of it my way.

Yah!!! Me too...about the list to choose from!!! Hopefully, my before listed list is correct!!! (I found it on a thread!!)

[Lost and Found]

Originally Posted by jeanran

Pear, I downloaded a free trial for my PC but can only use it 4 times, if I buy it the cost is $24. Do you know if there is a free version for my PC? I don't have a palm.

Greetings to everyone.

Lost & Found, I am glad you chose a WOE, I wish you great success. I know nothing about Atkins 72 but know you can do it if you set your mind to it.

Jean

Thanks for the vote of confidence!!! When I saw the list of foods, I thought that it was pretty close to what I have been doing for the last week....with a few tweeks... I should be fine!!!!