The NoMoYoYo Challenge Thread! - Page 4

aim in Fla*working · 02-20-2007, 11:44 AM

I remember a guy back in the '70's who had a concept about weight loss. He said if you eat breakfast like a king, lunch like a prince, and supper like a pauper, you will lose weight. It's difficult for me to do that with my schedule, but perhaps I need to find a way.

that is a great philosophy! Ever since I started eating dinner I have gained....
i am not eating dinner tonight if I am not hungry. Period.

Dharma · 02-20-2007, 11:48 AM

Hi NOMOYOYOers. I meant to join this thread last week!

I've dieted since I was 8 years old - seriously! As I've gotten older my fluctuations have gotten bigger and bigger. You'd think I'd learn!!

My goals are to eat as many whole healthy foods as I possible can. Coconut oil once or twice a day. Limit alcohol cause it makes me eat more. Log my food EVERY day. I bought Fitday PC after using it online for years and it's cool. Really helps me stay on track.

My plan is 60% Fat, 25% Protein, 15% carb (net). I'm counting calories by the WEEK instead of daily, which is better for me cause my appetite varies a lot. I'm aiming for between 8 and 9,000 per week. (Please refrain from telling me that's not enough!!) I weight train twice a week for an hour. NO cardio and I'm not planning on starting. Just don't want to.

This is day 3 for me. I gave away my remaining Valentines candy. I tried telling myself how insulin is the "aging" hormone (it really is!) but I still ate the dang chocolates last week.

I'm taking a week off from ALL of my supplements this week too. And for some reason I feel better. I've read that it's good to take breaks from them and in my case it must be.

Getting there has never been my problem - STAYING there is just hard!!

jenna... · 02-20-2007, 11:51 AM

Randy · 02-20-2007, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Dharma

Hi NOMOYOYOers. I meant to join this thread last week!

Dharma, You didn't miss anything. We just started the challenge thread late Sunday night!

Welcome.......

daisymaiz · 02-20-2007, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aim in Fla*working

I remember a guy back in the '70's who had a concept about weight loss. He said if you eat breakfast like a king, lunch like a prince, and supper like a pauper, you will lose weight. It's difficult for me to do that with my schedule, but perhaps I need to find a way.

that is a great philosophy! Ever since I started eating dinner I have gained....
i am not eating dinner tonight if I am not hungry. Period.

That's perfect. I have no interest in doing the "breakfast like a king" thing because I am not that hungry in the morning, but we each need to do what works for us. If you're not hungry, don't force yourself to eat just because it's "dinner time." Eat when you're hungry!

Beth1121 · 02-20-2007, 12:26 PM

Hmmm....I wish I hated to eat...and to cook...I LOVE both!

I, too, do better when I do not eat dinner or eat really early. I used to think that I got hungrier if I ate b'fast. I've since realized that is only if I eat something small. If I eat a good, large b'fast, I tend to stay better satisfied all day long.

jkj123 · 02-20-2007, 12:35 PM

I agree, I feel more satisfied during the day if I have started with a nice breakfast, and of course, my coffee. If I skip breakfast, I tend to want to eat more in the afternoon, by far my weakest point during the day.

Randy · 02-20-2007, 12:55 PM

We're here for positive support, but this week's YOYOINFO is all about the negatives of "weight cycling." BTW, I don't like that term, it sounds like a good thing.

Below is an excerpt FROM THIS ARTICLE.

One personal note: I believe that yo-yo'ing screwed with my HDL, which was very low until I got back on plan and started regular exercise.

What are the health concerns of weight cycling?
No matter what your size, any sudden weight gain or loss may be hard on your health. The main health concerns regarding weight cycling are:-
1. The amount of fat stored in the body increases with each cycle of up and down dieting. When a person loses weight, both fat and muscle tissues are shed. When the weight is put back, it tends to be made up of a greater proportion of fat and less muscle, leaving the person "fatter" than ever. Besides, a history of loss and gain is associated with greater amounts of fat stored in the abdomen, a pattern of fat distribution linked to greater risk of heart disease and diabetes.
2. Yo-yo dieting has a definite effect on food preferences, increasing the craving for fat. Fat is the most concentrated source of calories in the diet, and the body appears to store calories from fat more easily than surplus calories from carbohydrates or protein.
3. Long-term crash dieting can result in serious nutritional deficiencies, as a result of eating a poor variety of foods.
4. Repeated cycles of loss and gain take a psychological toll. Many dieters perceive each unsuccessful attempt to keep weight off as a personal failure. The result, over time, is erosion of self-esteem coupled with depression and even guilt.
5. People who repeatedly lose and regain weight are weakening their immune systems.
6. Fluctuations in weight also seem to increase the risk of gallstones.
7. Repeated dieting drives the "natural weight range" higher for some people.

Tracey40 · 02-20-2007, 01:00 PM

Randy - Great Article!!

I'd like to join! I easily lost from 160 to 145 and then.....yoyo from 137 to 145! UGH! It's time to get rid of this once and for all, eat healthy and get stronger! I'm currently transitioning to Eat To live, more veggies, less protein, fruits and grains - all natural. Not bad and filling!

What a great support team here - it will be hard to mess up with everyone here!!!

FaithM. · 02-20-2007, 01:12 PM

Ok, I'm "armed" and ready to stay on plan today. Had scotch eggs for bkfst (that's just a boiled egg wrapped & cooked in sausage) and have lunch in the oven right now--a couple of chicken breasts, one for now and will dice the other to keep in the fridge to snack on later. I'll try to keep it simple for dinner, like scrambled eggs or something.

It's good now that I've got some more tips from you guys on "regularity". I've known of the saltwater flush but have just been too chicken to try it. I hate feeling nauseous and that's the part I'm more scared of than anything. For any of you who have done it, you haven't actually gone beyond the nausea part have you? If not, maybe then I'll be brave and try it sometime.

Randy -- Thanks for clearing us up on the magnesium products. I was wondering which one I should try first if need be, the citrate or the oxide. May start with the citrate. Will see.

Bella -- I agree with you, that is the thing about the Atkins '72 I find preferable to the modern one, which I believe was rewritten to be more commercial and less controversial. Of course LC would attract more people with the added allowance of Frankenfoods and specialty products. Wouldn't it be nice if we could lose with all that stuff, right?

Dharma -- Thanks for joining us!

You're never too late. I like using Coconut Oil too, especially good to fry a pork chop in.

Laura and Terry-- I'm not the best at planning either. I always think as long as I am keeping my options simple then I shouldn't have to worry...but if I don't prepare the stuff ahead of time I end up snacking and nibbling while I am waiting for whatever to get done!

...On the topic of the Reverse Diet concept, I would have a tough time with that too, although it sounds sensible enough. I'm never that hungry in the mornings and then the evenings are my hardest times ever. For me, sometimes it's easier at that time of day to not eat even when I am a little hungry because then I tend to keep eating even when I'm stuffed and miserable.

FaithM. · 02-20-2007, 01:15 PM

Yea Tracey!

So glad you decided to come!

Magicsmom · 02-20-2007, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by daisymaiz

That's perfect. I have no interest in doing the "breakfast like a king" thing because I am not that hungry in the morning, but we each need to do what works for us. If you're not hungry, don't force yourself to eat just because it's "dinner time." Eat when you're hungry!

Not being hungry in the morning is my problem too. It doesn't bother me to skip breakfast, I can even skip lunch, but I do get hungry in the evening, just when I shouldn't eat!

Tracey40 · 02-20-2007, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by FaithM.

Ok, I'm "armed" and ready to stay on plan today. Had scotch eggs for bkfst (that's just a boiled egg wrapped & cooked in sausage) and have lunch in the oven right now--a couple of chicken breasts, one for now and will dice the other to keep in the fridge to snack on later. I'll try to keep it simple for dinner, like scrambled eggs or something.

Laura and Terry-- I'm not the best at planning either. I always think as long as I am keeping my options simple then I shouldn't have to worry...but if I don't prepare the stuff ahead of time I end up snacking and nibbling while I am waiting for whatever to get done!

(

Planning is key for me also!!! If I plan, and get things together on Sunday, I'm good to go - one Sunday of not getting things in the house, not planning and I'm off to the races!!! Geez, eating healthy shouldn't be that hard!

Eat to Live, not Live to Eat - I'm chanting!!!

Magicsmom · 02-20-2007, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by FaithM.

It's good now that I've got some more tips from you guys on "regularity". I've known of the saltwater flush but have just been too chicken to try it. I hate feeling nauseous and that's the part I'm more scared of than anything. For any of you who have done it, you haven't actually gone beyond the nausea part have you? If not, maybe then I'll be brave and try it sometime.

I did it once to prepare for a colonoscopy. Unless you're under a doctor's care and doing it per doctor's orders, I do not recommend it. It is by far too extreme a process for us to mess with. It shocks me how many times I see it recommended on this board.

Magicsmom · 02-20-2007, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Tracey40

Eat to Live, not Live to Eat - I'm chanting!!!

Maybe we should have an "eat to live" chant and dance to go along with it to burn more calories!

aim in Fla*working · 02-20-2007, 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magicsmom

Maybe we should have an "eat to live" chant and dance to go along with it to burn more calories!

FaithM. · 02-20-2007, 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magicsmom

I did it once to prepare for a colonoscopy. Unless you're under a doctor's care and doing it per doctor's orders, I do not recommend it. It is by far too extreme a process for us to mess with. It shocks me how many times I see it recommended on this board.

Thanks, Terry! I've tested my limits in the past as far as other things (like with the Senna tea) and yes, the salt flush just sounded way too extreme to me. Like you said, along with so many others doing it, just made me wonder if I was worrying about it over nothing.

I was supposed to have had a colonoscopy done this past November but kept putting it off. I wasn't really sure if I liked the new Gastro specialist I was referred to. That along with excuses well, needless to say it didn't get done.

I know it isn't safe to take chances with our health like that. I must admit the stuff I was told I'd have to take to clean me out made me uncomfortable. Again...the nausea thing!

Sheesh! Am I not afraid of enough crap?

Magicsmom · 02-20-2007, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by FaithM.

Thanks, Terry! I've tested my limits in the past as far as other things (like with the Senna tea) and yes, the salt flush just sounded way too extreme to me. Like you said, along with so many others doing it, just made me wonder if I was worrying about it over nothing.

I was supposed to have had a colonoscopy done this past November but kept putting it off. I wasn't really sure if I liked the new Gastro specialist I was referred to. That along with excuses well, needless to say it didn't get done.

I know it isn't safe to take chances with our health like that. I must admit the stuff I was told I'd have to take to clean me out made me uncomfortable. Again...the nausea thing!

Sheesh! Am I not afraid of enough crap?

Actually, I don't remember having nausea with the salt flush. But what I do remember about it was (*TMI warning*) having diarrhea that was worse than when I was sick with botulism and salmonella (had both at the same time). I think I went through a whole package of baby wipes, and my bottom was so sore, I could barely sit down when all was said and done. It was HORRIBLE!

jenna... · 02-20-2007, 02:05 PM

LOL.... talk about 'flushes'. Has anyone else done a Liver Flush? My nutritionist recommended it for hubby. Armed with Epson Salts, Oil and Grapefruit Juice (to make the oil drinkable). Of course this was after drinking apple cider and ginger for a week to soften the 'stones'. Of course we started it on Friday night and well... lets just say we couldn't leave the house until Sunday afternoon.

Ahhhhh... the things one will share with a spouse.

Oh... and this has nothing to do with losing weight.

jkj123 · 02-20-2007, 02:07 PM

Oh My Gosh!! I am so glad I read these posts before trying the salt flush. I had no idea it can be so severe. Thanks for saving me!!!

FaithM. · 02-20-2007, 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magicsmom

Actually, I don't remember having nausea with the salt flush. But what I do remember about it was (*TMI warning*) having diarrhea that was worse than when I was sick with botulism and salmonella (had both at the same time). I think I went through a whole package of baby wipes, and my bottom was so sore, I could barely sit down when all was said and done. It was HORRIBLE!

Yipes!!

Thanks for the warning! What they were going to give me I think was like a different kind of liquid I had to swallow at different intervals. The warning was that nausea and vomiting could occur but I'm sure that's just a standard CYA thing they're required to give.

Magicsmom · 02-20-2007, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by FaithM.

Yipes!!

Thanks for the warning! What they were going to give me I think was like a different kind of liquid I had to swallow at different intervals. The warning was that nausea and vomiting could occur but I'm sure that's just a standard CYA thing they're required to give.

Yeah, it probably was their usual disclaimer about things that could happen, but are rare. They had me drink the salt water stuff through a straw so I couldn't taste it. For the colonoscopy prep, it really doesn't matter what they give you - it's a radical procedure meant to clean out your colon, which is quite large and long, and all the products they use are highly effective. It takes a lot to clean your colon out, and I cannot imagine anyone wanting to do a salt flush to relieve constipation.

FaithM. · 02-20-2007, 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magicsmom

It takes a lot to clean your colon out, and I cannot imagine anyone wanting to do a salt flush to relieve constipation.

For sure! Even at my most desperate I didn't even wanna go there!

notsleepy · 02-20-2007, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Magicsmom

Not being hungry in the morning is my problem too. It doesn't bother me to skip breakfast, I can even skip lunch, but I do get hungry in the evening, just when I shouldn't eat!

This was a problem for me too. It took about a week to get used to it. When I started I would have to make myself eat something in the morning. Then I wouldn't be so hungry at night and eating a small meal was easy. After my body got used to eating a small meal I started waking up hungry. I'm not trying to change anyones mind, I just wanted to let you know what my experience was.

02-20-2007, 12:55 PM	#98
Randy MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Middle Georgia Posts: 1,937 Gallery: Randy Stats: 277/237/177 WOE: Atkins Start Date: Restart-1/14/08(at 256)--- Member since March '02	WHY YO-YO IS A NO-NO. We're here for positive support, but this week's YOYOINFO is all about the negatives of "weight cycling." BTW, I don't like that term, it sounds like a good thing. Below is an excerpt FROM THIS ARTICLE. One personal note: I believe that yo-yo'ing screwed with my HDL, which was very low until I got back on plan and started regular exercise. What are the health concerns of weight cycling? No matter what your size, any sudden weight gain or loss may be hard on your health. The main health concerns regarding weight cycling are:- 1. The amount of fat stored in the body increases with each cycle of up and down dieting. When a person loses weight, both fat and muscle tissues are shed. When the weight is put back, it tends to be made up of a greater proportion of fat and less muscle, leaving the person "fatter" than ever. Besides, a history of loss and gain is associated with greater amounts of fat stored in the abdomen, a pattern of fat distribution linked to greater risk of heart disease and diabetes. 2. Yo-yo dieting has a definite effect on food preferences, increasing the craving for fat. Fat is the most concentrated source of calories in the diet, and the body appears to store calories from fat more easily than surplus calories from carbohydrates or protein. 3. Long-term crash dieting can result in serious nutritional deficiencies, as a result of eating a poor variety of foods. 4. Repeated cycles of loss and gain take a psychological toll. Many dieters perceive each unsuccessful attempt to keep weight off as a personal failure. The result, over time, is erosion of self-esteem coupled with depression and even guilt. 5. People who repeatedly lose and regain weight are weakening their immune systems. 6. Fluctuations in weight also seem to increase the risk of gallstones. 7. Repeated dieting drives the "natural weight range" higher for some people. __________________ height 5'11" age 50 Proud Sergeant of Boot Camp Charlie

02-20-2007, 01:12 PM	#100
FaithM. MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Central Texas Posts: 1,956 Gallery: FaithM. WOE: Basic LC Start Date: 1/10/06	Ok, I'm "armed" and ready to stay on plan today. Had scotch eggs for bkfst (that's just a boiled egg wrapped & cooked in sausage) and have lunch in the oven right now--a couple of chicken breasts, one for now and will dice the other to keep in the fridge to snack on later. I'll try to keep it simple for dinner, like scrambled eggs or something. It's good now that I've got some more tips from you guys on "regularity". I've known of the saltwater flush but have just been too chicken to try it. I hate feeling nauseous and that's the part I'm more scared of than anything. For any of you who have done it, you haven't actually gone beyond the nausea part have you? If not, maybe then I'll be brave and try it sometime. Randy -- Thanks for clearing us up on the magnesium products. I was wondering which one I should try first if need be, the citrate or the oxide. May start with the citrate. Will see. Bella -- I agree with you, that is the thing about the Atkins '72 I find preferable to the modern one, which I believe was rewritten to be more commercial and less controversial. Of course LC would attract more people with the added allowance of Frankenfoods and specialty products. Wouldn't it be nice if we could lose with all that stuff, right? Dharma -- Thanks for joining us! You're never too late. I like using Coconut Oil too, especially good to fry a pork chop in. Laura and Terry-- I'm not the best at planning either. I always think as long as I am keeping my options simple then I shouldn't have to worry...but if I don't prepare the stuff ahead of time I end up snacking and nibbling while I am waiting for whatever to get done! ...On the topic of the Reverse Diet concept, I would have a tough time with that too, although it sounds sensible enough. I'm never that hungry in the mornings and then the evenings are my hardest times ever. For me, sometimes it's easier at that time of day to not eat even when I am a little hungry because then I tend to keep eating even when I'm stuffed and miserable. Last edited by FaithM. : 02-20-2007 at 01:14 PM.

02-20-2007, 02:05 PM	#109
jenna... Senior LCF Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Sunny SoCal Posts: 977 Gallery: jenna... Stats: 248/212/148 - 5'7.5" & 52yrs WOE: LowCal - LowCarb Start Date: 06/02/2008 Mid Yr 2008 Challenge	LOL.... talk about 'flushes'. Has anyone else done a Liver Flush? My nutritionist recommended it for hubby. Armed with Epson Salts, Oil and Grapefruit Juice (to make the oil drinkable). Of course this was after drinking apple cider and ginger for a week to soften the 'stones'. Of course we started it on Friday night and well... lets just say we couldn't leave the house until Sunday afternoon. Ahhhhh... the things one will share with a spouse. Oh... and this has nothing to do with losing weight. Last edited by jenna... : 02-20-2007 at 02:10 PM.

02-20-2007, 11:44 AM	#91
aim in Flaworking Big Yapper!!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 8,421 Gallery: aim in Flaworking	I remember a guy back in the '70's who had a concept about weight loss. He said if you eat breakfast like a king, lunch like a prince, and supper like a pauper, you will lose weight. It's difficult for me to do that with my schedule, but perhaps I need to find a way. that is a great philosophy! Ever since I started eating dinner I have gained.... i am not eating dinner tonight if I am not hungry. Period.

02-20-2007, 11:48 AM	#92
Dharma MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,643 Gallery: Dharma Stats: 175/138; now 161/153/140 WOE: Flexible	Hi NOMOYOYOers. I meant to join this thread last week! I've dieted since I was 8 years old - seriously! As I've gotten older my fluctuations have gotten bigger and bigger. You'd think I'd learn!! My goals are to eat as many whole healthy foods as I possible can. Coconut oil once or twice a day. Limit alcohol cause it makes me eat more. Log my food EVERY day. I bought Fitday PC after using it online for years and it's cool. Really helps me stay on track. My plan is 60% Fat, 25% Protein, 15% carb (net). I'm counting calories by the WEEK instead of daily, which is better for me cause my appetite varies a lot. I'm aiming for between 8 and 9,000 per week. (Please refrain from telling me that's not enough!!) I weight train twice a week for an hour. NO cardio and I'm not planning on starting. Just don't want to. This is day 3 for me. I gave away my remaining Valentines candy. I tried telling myself how insulin is the "aging" hormone (it really is!) but I still ate the dang chocolates last week. I'm taking a week off from ALL of my supplements this week too. And for some reason I feel better. I've read that it's good to take breaks from them and in my case it must be. Getting there has never been my problem - STAYING there is just hard!!

02-20-2007, 11:51 AM	#93
jenna... Senior LCF Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Sunny SoCal Posts: 977 Gallery: jenna... Stats: 248/212/148 - 5'7.5" & 52yrs WOE: LowCal - LowCarb Start Date: 06/02/2008 Mid Yr 2008 Challenge

02-20-2007, 12:26 PM	#96
Beth1121 aka fuelmanswife Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: The Peach State Posts: 2,465 Gallery: Beth1121 WOE: Basic LC Start Date: Which time?	Hmmm....I wish I hated to eat...and to cook...I LOVE both! I, too, do better when I do not eat dinner or eat really early. I used to think that I got hungrier if I ate b'fast. I've since realized that is only if I eat something small. If I eat a good, large b'fast, I tend to stay better satisfied all day long.

02-20-2007, 12:35 PM	#97
jkj123 Senior LCF Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: West Virginia Posts: 111 Gallery: jkj123 Stats: 210/169/160 5'9'' WOE: low carb Start Date: January 2007	I agree, I feel more satisfied during the day if I have started with a nice breakfast, and of course, my coffee. If I skip breakfast, I tend to want to eat more in the afternoon, by far my weakest point during the day.

02-20-2007, 01:00 PM	#99
Tracey40 Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 3,778 Gallery: Tracey40 Stats: 161 / 143 /130 5'6 45 yrs old Start Date: Every day is a new day!	Randy - Great Article!! I'd like to join! I easily lost from 160 to 145 and then.....yoyo from 137 to 145! UGH! It's time to get rid of this once and for all, eat healthy and get stronger! I'm currently transitioning to Eat To live, more veggies, less protein, fruits and grains - all natural. Not bad and filling! What a great support team here - it will be hard to mess up with everyone here!!!

02-20-2007, 01:15 PM	#101
FaithM. MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Central Texas Posts: 1,956 Gallery: FaithM. WOE: Basic LC Start Date: 1/10/06	Yea Tracey! So glad you decided to come!

02-20-2007, 02:07 PM	#110
jkj123 Senior LCF Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: West Virginia Posts: 111 Gallery: jkj123 Stats: 210/169/160 5'9'' WOE: low carb Start Date: January 2007	Oh My Gosh!! I am so glad I read these posts before trying the salt flush. I had no idea it can be so severe. Thanks for saving me!!!