Is Kimmer really being sued? - Page 3

RunForYourLife · 06-11-2008, 09:03 PM

I'm already doing the 6-pack per 2 miles diet and I'm not losing? What gives? Should I just go ahead and start meat and egg NOW?

Also - is the 19.95 membership price the lifetime-until-I-say-something-mean-about-Tazzy price?

Kathryn

Tazcat · 06-11-2008, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by shellpurr

Now I want Oreo's!

Well ok, but balance them with a chip please - I'm all about a balanced diet here.

Tazcat · 06-11-2008, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by RunForYourLife

I'm already doing the 6-pack per 2 miles diet and I'm not losing? What gives? Should I just go ahead and start meat and egg NOW?

Also - is the 19.95 membership price the lifetime-until-I-say-something-mean-about-Tazzy price?

Kathryn

Oh dear - clearly that's too much exercise then - you should cut back (just not on the booze)

19.95 only goes up if you say something truly horrid like "i don't like cats" - then it escalates and immediately hits every credit card in your wallet for 199.95.

However, there is a $5 discount for saying "Indy is FABULOUS"

Grizzy · 06-11-2008, 09:11 PM

If you tweak it it isn't Tazzykins anymore and you have to pay double.

kthxbai

Magicsmom · 06-11-2008, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Paula Jayne

Why is her site still up and running is what i do not understand?

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Originally Posted by kristinaInWa2003

The reason her site is still up is.....????

If she's done something wrong, wouldn't that be the first thing to be shut down?

Even if the civil suit wins a judgment against her, it's not enough to shut her down unless the result is that she doesn't have the money to operate it.

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Originally Posted by ChristiansMom

Is she being tried here in the Riverside County Superior Courts? I'd love to go down and sit in on that trial if it's possible. I have a few friends who work at that court.. maybe they can get me a pass.. lol

I'm jealous! Take pictures!

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Originally Posted by AriAnne

A civil suit won't shut her down, would it? also the suit would get a judgement only, so that if she were to attempt to buy property the judgement would come up and have to be dealt with, right? I doubt she is concerned about a civil suit. Too bad it's not state, city or federal, so far.

She has a house that she paid cash for, and hopefully it will be taken away from her.

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Originally Posted by CarolinaRocker

I talked about not being strict and still losing weight and Kimmer said to me that she should sing Kumbaya to all the cheaters when they confess on the board and look for sympathy when they gain.....little did we know she was stuffing her face while typing that and making people feel like crap because they went off plan

She is a real piece of work.

Oh yeah, she specializes in berating people. I don't get why people laud her for giving her knowledge away for free.

Free is what it's worth!

Yeah, she was stuffing her face with sugar cookies and throwing back the Cap'n Morgan and Diet Coke!

Grizzy · 06-11-2008, 09:20 PM

Here is a link to a blog that has a good timeline on the Kimkins con rollout:

2002 - Heidi Diaz, under the screen name "Kimmer", develops her version of a low-carb diet on the Low Carb Friends diet discussion boards. She reports dramatic weight loss. Some people try her diet and discuss it on the boards. This goes on for several years, with a fair amount of controversy.

2006 - Amid much negativity, in June 2006 Heidi left Low Carb Friends and with a partner who later left, founded Kimkins.com, a fee-based Web site.

January 2007 - An issue of People magazine features people who have lost a lot of weight. One of them credits Kimkins along with another diet. This is the beginning of attention to Kimkins from outside the low-carb community.

June 2007 - Woman's World magazine features Kimkins on the cover. At this point, the Kimkins Web site explodes with new members, taking in over a million dollars in the month of June alone.

July 2007 - Controversy in the low carb community outside of Low Carb Friends builds quickly. Heidi does a public interview on Jimmy Moore's Livin' La Vida Low Carb Podcast, which brings her further exposure. Inside Low Carb Friends, a dedicated group of members has been working hard for some time to expose Kimkins as a scam and a fraud.

August 2007 - Anti-Kimkins material (mainly blogs) on the net are now spreading like wildfire. People are beginning to report serious side-effects of the diet, and controversy has ramped to a fever-pitch. Kimkins hires a PR director to help deal with the problems. Behind the scenes, we later learn that key administrators are seriously questioning the diet. This leads to them quitting or being fired in early September.

September 2007 - Kimkins administrators leave, including PR director Christin Sherburne, who later reports many symptoms including chest pains and low heart rate. A private investigator was hired to determine the true identity of Kimmer, and photos are posted. A lawsuit is organized.

October 2007 - The story is broken on KTLA-TV (more details here, including links to video). Photos are exposed as fraudulent.

Also, as I had a guest membership on Kimkins, I responded when Kimmer posted something false about my review. In that message, I warned members to be careful about their health (copy of that message here). I was banned 10 minutes later.

November 2007 - Heidi Diaz is called for a public deposition where she finally tells the truth about her identity, finances, and her fraudulent claims. Kimkins is discussed on a national morning TV show. Another PR director, who appeared on that show, left Kimkins. (More Details on All of This)

January 2008 - Kimkins on Good Morning America

February 2008 - Women's World Issues Apology

March 2008 - John Tiedt, Attorney in class action lawsuit, releases report on the depositions of Heidi Diaz.

To this point, the diet is unchanged. There is no minimum recommendation of vegetables, carbs, or even food on most of the Kimkins plans. If followed to the letter, the option labeled "most popular" would contain less than 600 calories and could be much less. Most worrisome of all is that people would not necessarily know if their bodies were being damaged until it was too late.

Jake · 06-11-2008, 09:22 PM

Actually, I have to admit that I have been doing Kimkins for the last... 14.5 minutes, and I'm really pleased with the results. Here are my before and after pics:

After:

I think I may have used too much soy though......

Tazcat · 06-11-2008, 09:23 PM

so in all seriousness, 600 calories - that's just sick

Talk about encouraging eating disorders

It's really sad.

Ntombi · 06-11-2008, 09:35 PM

Let's not forget that she doesn't believe in starvation mode and completely blasted those of us who challenged her on that. All of her vast medical knowledge led her to believe that continually limiting calories would have no effect on one's metabolism.

RenRen · 06-11-2008, 09:48 PM

holy crap she has her own line of clothing now

Crohnie · 06-11-2008, 09:59 PM

nothing will happen to her. She is still receiving money for her site that is not frozen and she will continue

THis site seems to think they are going to stop her and they won't

Edin · 06-11-2008, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RenRen

holy crap she has her own line of clothing now

where did you see that???????

CaliforniaGirl · 06-11-2008, 10:04 PM

Amazing transformation Jake!! KUTGW!

Jake · 06-11-2008, 10:05 PM

It's printfection, similar to cafepress. Heck, *I* could have my own line of clothing on there in a matter of minutes.

RenRen · 06-11-2008, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Edin

where did you see that???????

on her website

Edin · 06-11-2008, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by RenRen

on her website

omg, she is a real piece of work.

Osorris · 06-11-2008, 10:53 PM

Ok I will admit it... I had NOT CLUE what all the kimmer talk was about and I was to lazy or distracted at any given moment to go look it up....

well now I know

MarblesLongGone · 06-11-2008, 10:59 PM

So, she doesn't pay her bills.
You mean she doesn't LIVE on the Kimikins plan? Oh, hush!

djalomo · 06-11-2008, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Tazcat

Oh dear - clearly that's too much exercise then - you should cut back (just not on the booze)

19.95 only goes up if you say something truly horrid like "i don't like cats" - then it escalates and immediately hits every credit card in your wallet for 199.95.

However, there is a $5 discount for saying "Indy is FABULOUS"

OMG - that fee really is pretty NOMimal.

tiggerr · 06-11-2008, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Osorris

Ok I will admit it... I had NOT CLUE what all the kimmer talk was about and I was to lazy or distracted at any given moment to go look it up....

well now I know

Eye opening,no?

Good reading:

3 Fat Chicks on a Diet Official Website for Weight Loss Support - Kimkins: Anatomy of a Diet Scam

MrsJackSprat · 06-12-2008, 01:11 PM

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3 Fat Chicks on a Diet Official Website for Weight Loss Support - Kimkins: Anatomy of a Diet Scam

Thanks for the link. It was very informative.

Paula Jayne · 06-12-2008, 01:17 PM

So Why do you guys think her site will not be shut down? if she loses the suit they can try to get her shut off, fraud, etc.

AnnaV · 06-12-2008, 01:42 PM

I don't think she's the legal owner of the site anymore. I'm not 100% sure of that though.

doxielvr · 06-12-2008, 01:43 PM

If her site is fraudulent and proven to be so (after the court cse), how can she continue to run it without getting in trouble?

Osorris · 06-12-2008, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by tiggerr

Eye opening,no?

Good reading:

3 Fat Chicks on a Diet Official Website for Weight Loss Support - Kimkins: Anatomy of a Diet Scam

WOW!

sweetpoison · 06-12-2008, 01:45 PM

I just checked......Her website diet is now $79.95.......WOW!!!!!!! Fools!!!!!

Vicki

Nady · 06-12-2008, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by AnnaV

06-11-2008, 09:20 PM	#66
Grizzy MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Tazcat Travelling Relocation Tour 2008 Roadie Posts: 2,316 Gallery: Grizzy Stats: 200/150/130 WOE: Atkins Start Date: Jan 2005	Here is a link to a blog that has a good timeline on the Kimkins con rollout: 2002 - Heidi Diaz, under the screen name "Kimmer", develops her version of a low-carb diet on the Low Carb Friends diet discussion boards. She reports dramatic weight loss. Some people try her diet and discuss it on the boards. This goes on for several years, with a fair amount of controversy. 2006 - Amid much negativity, in June 2006 Heidi left Low Carb Friends and with a partner who later left, founded Kimkins.com, a fee-based Web site. January 2007 - An issue of People magazine features people who have lost a lot of weight. One of them credits Kimkins along with another diet. This is the beginning of attention to Kimkins from outside the low-carb community. June 2007 - Woman's World magazine features Kimkins on the cover. At this point, the Kimkins Web site explodes with new members, taking in over a million dollars in the month of June alone. July 2007 - Controversy in the low carb community outside of Low Carb Friends builds quickly. Heidi does a public interview on Jimmy Moore's Livin' La Vida Low Carb Podcast, which brings her further exposure. Inside Low Carb Friends, a dedicated group of members has been working hard for some time to expose Kimkins as a scam and a fraud. August 2007 - Anti-Kimkins material (mainly blogs) on the net are now spreading like wildfire. People are beginning to report serious side-effects of the diet, and controversy has ramped to a fever-pitch. Kimkins hires a PR director to help deal with the problems. Behind the scenes, we later learn that key administrators are seriously questioning the diet. This leads to them quitting or being fired in early September. September 2007 - Kimkins administrators leave, including PR director Christin Sherburne, who later reports many symptoms including chest pains and low heart rate. A private investigator was hired to determine the true identity of Kimmer, and photos are posted. A lawsuit is organized. October 2007 - The story is broken on KTLA-TV (more details here, including links to video). Photos are exposed as fraudulent. Also, as I had a guest membership on Kimkins, I responded when Kimmer posted something false about my review. In that message, I warned members to be careful about their health (copy of that message here). I was banned 10 minutes later. November 2007 - Heidi Diaz is called for a public deposition where she finally tells the truth about her identity, finances, and her fraudulent claims. Kimkins is discussed on a national morning TV show. Another PR director, who appeared on that show, left Kimkins. (More Details on All of This) January 2008 - Kimkins on Good Morning America February 2008 - Women's World Issues Apology March 2008 - John Tiedt, Attorney in class action lawsuit, releases report on the depositions of Heidi Diaz. To this point, the diet is unchanged. There is no minimum recommendation of vegetables, carbs, or even food on most of the Kimkins plans. If followed to the letter, the option labeled "most popular" would contain less than 600 calories and could be much less. Most worrisome of all is that people would not necessarily know if their bodies were being damaged until it was too late. __________________ ~ Grizellda Prunepickle 1st, I listed Starbucks as my emergency contact at work Heidi Kimkins Diaz You should have refunded Jeanessa her money when you had the chance!

06-11-2008, 09:03 PM	#61
RunForYourLife MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Trinity, FL Posts: 2,548 Gallery: RunForYourLife Stats: 195.6/152/145 5'7.5" 35YO WOE: Atkins Start Date: Original start:2002 Re-inducted at 157 on 01/02/07	I'm already doing the 6-pack per 2 miles diet and I'm not losing? What gives? Should I just go ahead and start meat and egg NOW? Also - is the 19.95 membership price the lifetime-until-I-say-something-mean-about-Tazzy price? Kathryn

06-11-2008, 09:11 PM	#64
Grizzy MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Tazcat Travelling Relocation Tour 2008 Roadie Posts: 2,316 Gallery: Grizzy Stats: 200/150/130 WOE: Atkins Start Date: Jan 2005	If you tweak it it isn't Tazzykins anymore and you have to pay double. kthxbai

06-11-2008, 09:22 PM	#67
Jake zombie cricket Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 11,704 Gallery: Jake	Actually, I have to admit that I have been doing Kimkins for the last... 14.5 minutes, and I'm really pleased with the results. Here are my before and after pics: After: I think I may have used too much soy though......

06-11-2008, 09:23 PM	#68
Tazcat Carby Cat Join Date: May 2004 Location: amidst the cat hair >^..^< Posts: 32,112 Gallery: Tazcat WOE: Catkins	so in all seriousness, 600 calories - that's just sick Talk about encouraging eating disorders It's really sad.

06-11-2008, 09:35 PM	#69
Ntombi Blabbermouth!!! Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Boston, then OH, then NYC, now SoCal. Whew! Posts: 17,431 Gallery: Ntombi Stats: original:325+/259.6/180? restart:325/---/180? WOE: Atkins works when I work it. Start Date: Original: 8-23-02 Restart: over and OVER and OVER!	Let's not forget that she doesn't believe in starvation mode and completely blasted those of us who challenged her on that. All of her vast medical knowledge led her to believe that continually limiting calories would have no effect on one's metabolism.

06-11-2008, 09:48 PM	#70
RenRen tarte & refreshing Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kansas Posts: 3,926 Gallery: RenRen Stats: beer gogglesq WOE: quantity vs. quality needs kicked	holy crap she has her own line of clothing now

06-11-2008, 09:59 PM	#71
Crohnie Miss Innocent Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: MA Posts: 25,372 Gallery: Crohnie Stats: 196/177.01/149 WOE: medi-weightloss Start Date: 07/10/08	nothing will happen to her. She is still receiving money for her site that is not frozen and she will continue THis site seems to think they are going to stop her and they won't

06-11-2008, 10:04 PM	#73
CaliforniaGirl Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 29,788 Gallery: CaliforniaGirl	Amazing transformation Jake!! KUTGW!

06-11-2008, 10:05 PM	#74
Jake zombie cricket Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 11,704 Gallery: Jake	It's printfection, similar to cafepress. Heck, I could have my own line of clothing on there in a matter of minutes.

06-11-2008, 10:53 PM	#77
Osorris Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Columbus, Oh Posts: 23,856 Gallery: Osorris Stats: 28/24/12 WOE: Moderate Carbs	Ok I will admit it... I had NOT CLUE what all the kimmer talk was about and I was to lazy or distracted at any given moment to go look it up.... well now I know

06-11-2008, 10:59 PM	#78
MarblesLongGone MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Hamilton, OH Posts: 2,387 Blog Entries: 2 Gallery: MarblesLongGone Stats: 248.5/206.0/190 6'0" WOE: Atkins / Carb Addicts / Schwarzbein / SB / Paleo / Start Date: April 1, 2008 (back on the wagon)	So, she doesn't pay her bills. You mean she doesn't LIVE on the Kimikins plan? Oh, hush!

06-12-2008, 01:17 PM	#82
Paula Jayne Mom to Pups the Traveling Labrador Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Michigan USA Posts: 19,051 Gallery: Paula Jayne Stats: NEED TO LOSE WEIGHT WOE: Atkins-Maintenance Start Date: July 21, 2003	So Why do you guys think her site will not be shut down? if she loses the suit they can try to get her shut off, fraud, etc.

06-12-2008, 01:42 PM	#83
AnnaV Cute Girl! Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 10,458 Gallery: AnnaV	I don't think she's the legal owner of the site anymore. I'm not 100% sure of that though.

06-12-2008, 01:43 PM	#84
doxielvr Blabbermouth!!! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: CT Posts: 6,313 Gallery: doxielvr Stats: fat/less fat/not fat WOE: is me Start Date: any day now	If her site is fraudulent and proven to be so (after the court cse), how can she continue to run it without getting in trouble?

06-12-2008, 01:45 PM	#86
sweetpoison MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 2,252 Gallery: sweetpoison Stats: 231/231/150 WOE: Low Carb Type Start Date: 10/29/08	I just checked......Her website diet is now $79.95.......WOW!!!!!!! Fools!!!!! Vicki