Why the fascination with Kimmer? #18 - Page 4

wifezilla · 05-22-2008, 03:55 PM

Larcana....sounds like they were talking about the Minnesota Starvation Study. It was done during WWII with volunteers. The gvmt wanted to have an idea what they would be facing in Europe due to the war. The restricted level of calories these men were placed on that caused all the mental and physical damage lasting long beyond the scope of the experiment????

keep scrolling.....

Wanna guess?

You're not going to believe it....

Seriously. Are you SURE you are ready for the answer?????

Ok, you asked for it.......

1500 calories per day.

Katinsac · 05-22-2008, 03:57 PM

WOW...after KK that sounds like a lot of cals!! Guess it goes to prove how much more you really need when you don't think you need many....

Magicsmom · 05-22-2008, 03:57 PM

1500 calories a day for a man is sort of like 1000 calories a day for a woman, isn't it? And I'll bet they got just enough carbs to keep them hungry constantly.

Nady · 05-22-2008, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Magicsmom

1500 calories a day for a man is sort of like 1000 calories a day for a woman, isn't it? And I'll bet they got just enough carbs to keep them hungry constantly.

That alone is enough to drive you loony tunes~

~~~N

jo2621 · 05-22-2008, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by slickchick

Well, the confusion ...
I am over the diet -- I know that it isn't the healthiest choice. I have been over it for a while. It's the emotional stuff - the missing people in group, the anger of what Heidi and her people can do to others - head games, attacks, etc.... that is still the issue. Oh, and not for me - but know others have memory problems... well, I don' think I have memory problems.... what was I saying... oh, that's right - I don't have memory problems... LOL

One more thing Slick...you know those people in the group, they are just that, people in a group. You came out of there with Amy, Gran and Mal and I'm sure there will be more. They aren't just people in a group they are true friends and in my opinion they are worth far more to you than all the others put together.

Hang tough. You got all of us now too.

jo2621 · 05-22-2008, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Barbara B

Jo, first, I am so sorry about your Mom. Second, I admire your smarts about the whole situation - Heidi, Maintenance, everything you have come to discover. Besides the fact that you make me laugh many times. It is a pleasure to know you - even if it is only on the internet.

Thank you Barbara, I wuv U 2!

Sweeteater · 05-22-2008, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by M.Dove

That was priceless!

ITA!!!

sherlynn9 · 05-22-2008, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Awakened

I was sick to my stomach to the point of wanting to throw up and crying at the pain I felt to realize that she was such a despicable person...

not laughing at all...

I can only imagine how those of you who were/had been so involved on the Kimkins site felt.

I was never a member of Kimkins, found Heidi most annoying the way she seemed to take over threads on the Main Lobby here, she knew it all and if you didn't agree you were definitely wrong. However, I really believed that picture of her on the couch wearing the white blouse was her. Was hard to see any resemblence to the other pictures she was using, especially the famous red dress picture. I was quite shocked to see the PI photos.

I'm also quite surprised that the site is still running. I figured that now the lie had been exposed that members would leave. Just one of many times I've been wrong. I'd like to think that had I been a member, I would have been out of there knowing that it was all a lie (but then I wasn't there and don't know what I really would have done).

Sheryl

Mayberryfan · 05-22-2008, 04:28 PM

One of my fav Heidi moments (aside from the PI pics where I kept going "OMG, OMG" ALL day..) is where the KTLA reporter walks up to her and she gives him that simpering little smile - as though she were thinking "Oooo it's a man!" - then it just melted when she realized what was really going on, climbs into her new car, and drives off. But, not before he got a shot of the open box of sugar cookies in the passenger seat.

Now THAT was priceless!!

MomToEli · 05-22-2008, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanessa

I know! I read one of the ladies' articles about the experience and how they really wanted her to continue seeing a psychiatrist afterwards, I mean she jumped right on the laxative bandwagon without blinking an eye.

I am SO over disliking myself because of my weight! It's stupid!

I have to admit I'm not there yet, Jeanessa. Being heavy really takes an emotional toll on me, especially when I catch myself in a window or a mirror. I was telling AmyB - I so understand the lure of Kimkins.

CarolynF · 05-22-2008, 04:42 PM

All of this started in the Playground..Paula Jayne started the "original thread"..It's fun to read what peeps said..I even said that she was a "great gal"..Can I take that back?..LOLOL

MomToEli · 05-22-2008, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Magicsmom

1500 calories a day for a man is sort of like 1000 calories a day for a woman, isn't it? And I'll bet they got just enough carbs to keep them hungry constantly.

Isn't that pretty much what the POW and other captives' meals consist of? Mostly things like rice, and stale bread? Very little, if any, meat, vegies or fruit.

M.Dove · 05-22-2008, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by CarolynF

All of this started in the Playground..Paula Jayne started the "original thread"..It's fun to read what peeps said..I even said that she was a "great gal"..Can I take that back?..LOLOL

It's not too late, Carolyn!

wifezilla · 05-22-2008, 04:52 PM

Here is what they ate....

"Their meals were composed of foods that were expected to typify the diets of people in Europe during the latter stages of the war: potatoes, rutabagas, turnips, bread and macaroni."

MomToEli · 05-22-2008, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by wifezilla

Here is what they ate....

"Their meals were composed of foods that were expected to typify the diets of people in Europe during the latter stages of the war: potatoes, rutabagas, turnips, bread and macaroni."

In school with my little guy this year we've been studying early American history, and it amazes me how folks used to eat bread and milk for a meal. While my dh was growing up, every Sunday they went to Grandma's for dinner after church and ate homemade bread, jam, chips and bars of some type. Of course, the other 6 days of the week they worked like crazy on the farm, but still ....

SMP · 05-22-2008, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by tiggerr

I can't, really.

Right now I have a 14 year old who needs to lose 10-20 pounds and I need to find a way to cook foods she likes without making her follow her friends footsteps.
She had a DR's visit where the DR told her she *knew* I cook the right foods yet DD is only gaining.
She told DD she needs to be accountable and honest about the foods she eats when she is not home or home alone.

I measure the meat, cut back on milk and other dairy. We don't eat junk food,I cook whole grains. There's portion control.

Sometimes it's not enough to cut back on foods our bodies can't handle, particularly the foods we crave. Sometimes we really have to drop them entirely. It took me half a century or more to discover that I was genuinely allergic to milk (not the cream, but all the proteins), wheat and other gluten-containing whole grains. Between naturopathic testing and a self-help metabolic testing, I dropped grains (except for the occasional rye cracker) and milk, both of which I love. And I came back from the brink of death. More importantly, I lost 80 lbs on Atkins, eating unlimited meat.
I believed Dr. A. when he said it's not about portion control, it's about eating what your body needs. Still do. Hungry kids (that's all teens) have to fill that gnawing hunger with nutritious foods - and in considerable quantity. If your teen tests out to be a protein eater, it might seem scary the amount of meat and fat she may be able to scarf down. But it may be just what she needs. Do give her good fats. They satisfy, are absolutely beneficial, and can eventually tame a raging appetite.

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I'm at a loss and so worried she'd starve herself. So in a bigger way I'm vested in stopping starvation diets.

It's trite, but true - it's not so much how much you eat, as WHAT you eat. There's a free metabolic test at Mercola dot com, or Google info online. All the best.

vernswifevickie · 05-22-2008, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Awakened

I was sick to my stomach to the point of wanting to throw up and crying at the pain I felt to realize that she was such a despicable person...

not laughing at all...

Oh man! Me too Deni. The PI pics made me so sad and I kind of felt sorry for her. But the deposition pictures made me sick and MAD. I was so sickened by the fact that I believed her and took dietary advice from her and that I had ignored people who really did have my best interests at heart and believed Heidi Diaz...that was a BIG lesson for me.

SMP · 05-22-2008, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BamaGal

Jeanessa---have you read some of the things from those ladies after the fact----how it STILL affects them psychologically...

but what do ou expect from a society who considers a plus size model to be a SIZE 8!!!

What's a size 8?

Surely I had to be there for almost a minute when I was preschool!

mrsmenopausal · 05-22-2008, 05:25 PM

My favorites were when the PI pics came out and the Russian bride pics were being found, the Red dress one being the icing on the cake. Ahh, the memories.

ETA: I also loved when Kimmer was proven to be Heidi Diaz after her stories of her high school pal Heidi not being her (Kimmer) and Heidi's concern for the poor PI in the hot car. LMAO!
She's been caught in so many lies it amazes me how some look past it all.

vernswifevickie · 05-22-2008, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by mrsmenopausal

My favorites were when the PI pics came out and the Russian bride pics were being found, the Red dress one being the icing on the cake. Ahh, the memories.

It was so great when the red dress pic was found! I am living for the day they find the lawn chair/zebra shirt one.

BamaGal · 05-22-2008, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Larcana

Gary Taubes did an interview with Dr. Oz and in it he discussed a study done a while back, cannot recall the era, wherein men were placed on a very calorie restrictive diet and lost weight. the developed ED habits and binged when off the diet.
he discusses it in his book as well. It's a good read.
Lauren

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Originally Posted by wifezilla

Larcana....sounds like they were talking about the Minnesota Starvation Study. It was done during WWII with volunteers. The gvmt wanted to have an idea what they would be facing in Europe due to the war. The restricted level of calories these men were placed on that caused all the mental and physical damage lasting long beyond the scope of the experiment????
keep scrolling.....
Wanna guess?
You're not going to believe it....
Seriously. Are you SURE you are ready for the answer?????
ok, you asked for it.......
1500 calories per day.

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Originally Posted by MomToEli

Isn't that pretty much what the POW and other captives' meals consist of? Mostly things like rice, and stale bread? Very little, if any, meat, vegies or fruit.

Dr eades did a couple of posts about this study

Health & Nutrition by Michael R. Eades, M.D. » Is a calorie always a calorie?

The men in this study consumed macronutrients in the following amounts daily: protein 100 gm, fat 30 gm, and carbohydrate 225 gm. If you express these intakes as percentages, you come up with 25.5% protein, 17.2% fat and 57.3% carbohydrate.

one man suffered so much psychologically he chopped off several fingers

Health & Nutrition by Michael R. Eades, M.D. » Video of the starvation study

this post has a link to a video you can watch about the study

here is a link to download a pdf paper about the study--from the journal of nutrition--

fascinating reads...all of them...

SMP · 05-22-2008, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Magicsmom

1500 calories a day for a man is sort of like 1000 calories a day for a woman, isn't it? And I'll bet they got just enough carbs to keep them hungry constantly.

Dr. Mike posted some of that on his blog. The men obsessed about food constantly; it became their main topic of conversation. And the effects of the diet lasted years longer than the diet itself.

DonnaD · 05-22-2008, 05:42 PM

depends on where you are...

I was banned for annoying queen padonkadonk by saying "she was banned,
it does and will happen....who has there thumb on your head" sound familiar.

But the way I look at it, is I lost access to a $60 chat room. I still have my friends. No drama.

I am not participating in a harmful WOE...again a plus and no drama.

I don't know if I helped the cause of shutting down KK, but I certainly feel better not participating in anything related to it. ..again a plus, no drama.

I have gone to other LCF threads and I'm already finding friends and support..another plus...

so, think of the positives.

Invisible but here...and still supporting de-throwning queen padonkadonk.

DonnaD

NancyElle · 05-22-2008, 05:48 PM

Since MagicsMom appointed me the FWK historian

....here is another gem from the archives. Read up.

OK, Kimmer, another groupie needing help

Awakened · 05-22-2008, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by vernswifevickie

It was so great when the red dress pic was found! I am living for the day they find the lawn chair/zebra shirt one.

Me too.. but then again, it will probably bring fresh tears... b/c it was that picture that I really "saw" as her.. it was that kind smile that I thought was behind all the positive uplifting stuff she once said to me.

I believed the story that one of her sons took the photo of her in the back yard at a barb-b-q. Just more lies and woven stories that I fell for.

She would have been better off just writing novels or something.

05-22-2008, 05:25 PM	#109
mrsmenopausal Still hasn't done the dishes Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Obviously not in the kitchen doing the dishes. Posts: 2,050 Gallery: mrsmenopausal Stats: O M G! / ugh /hubba hubba WOE: trying to transition	My favorites were when the PI pics came out and the Russian bride pics were being found, the Red dress one being the icing on the cake. Ahh, the memories. ETA: I also loved when Kimmer was proven to be Heidi Diaz after her stories of her high school pal Heidi not being her (Kimmer) and Heidi's concern for the poor PI in the hot car. LMAO! She's been caught in so many lies it amazes me how some look past it all. Last edited by mrsmenopausal : 05-22-2008 at 05:27 PM.

05-22-2008, 05:42 PM	#113
DonnaD Junior LCF Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: New York City Suburbs Posts: 51 Gallery: DonnaD Stats: 291/260/155 WOE: ??????? low carb	invisible isn't always so bad, depends on where you are... I was banned for annoying queen padonkadonk by saying "she was banned, it does and will happen....who has there thumb on your head" sound familiar. But the way I look at it, is I lost access to a $60 chat room. I still have my friends. No drama. I am not participating in a harmful WOE...again a plus and no drama. I don't know if I helped the cause of shutting down KK, but I certainly feel better not participating in anything related to it. ..again a plus, no drama. I have gone to other LCF threads and I'm already finding friends and support..another plus... so, think of the positives. Invisible but here...and still supporting de-throwning queen padonkadonk. DonnaD __________________ DonnaD

05-22-2008, 05:48 PM	#114
NancyElle Senior LCF Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Temecula, Ca.....My heart is in Taos, New Mexico! Posts: 557 Gallery: NancyElle Stats: 12/6-8/4 5'9 WOE: Low Carb/Working Out Start Date: everyday~all the time	Since MagicsMom appointed me the FWK historian....here is another gem from the archives. Read up. OK, Kimmer, another groupie needing help

05-22-2008, 03:55 PM	#91
wifezilla Blabbermouth!!! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Colorado Springs, CO Posts: 5,347 Gallery: wifezilla Stats: 250/207/190 WOE: Read em all. Doing it my way. Start Date: May 2007	Larcana....sounds like they were talking about the Minnesota Starvation Study. It was done during WWII with volunteers. The gvmt wanted to have an idea what they would be facing in Europe due to the war. The restricted level of calories these men were placed on that caused all the mental and physical damage lasting long beyond the scope of the experiment???? keep scrolling..... Wanna guess? You're not going to believe it.... Seriously. Are you SURE you are ready for the answer????? Ok, you asked for it....... 1500 calories per day.

05-22-2008, 03:57 PM	#92
Katinsac MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 2,783 Gallery: Katinsac Stats: 211.8/192.2/145 WOE: Atkins 72 Start Date: June 4, 2007	WOW...after KK that sounds like a lot of cals!! Guess it goes to prove how much more you really need when you don't think you need many....

05-22-2008, 03:57 PM	#93
Magicsmom Committed to Succeed Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: State of Mind Posts: 16,031 Gallery: Magicsmom WOE: Seeing a nutritionist who believes in low carb! Start Date: Off & On (mostly on) since January 2004	1500 calories a day for a man is sort of like 1000 calories a day for a woman, isn't it? And I'll bet they got just enough carbs to keep them hungry constantly.

05-22-2008, 04:28 PM	#99
Mayberryfan MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Alabama Posts: 1,563 Gallery: Mayberryfan Stats: 255/204/150 WOE: PPLP Start Date: June 6, 2007	One of my fav Heidi moments (aside from the PI pics where I kept going "OMG, OMG" ALL day..) is where the KTLA reporter walks up to her and she gives him that simpering little smile - as though she were thinking "Oooo it's a man!" - then it just melted when she realized what was really going on, climbs into her new car, and drives off. But, not before he got a shot of the open box of sugar cookies in the passenger seat. Now THAT was priceless!!

05-22-2008, 04:42 PM	#101
CarolynF Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Kansas Posts: 20,104 Gallery: CarolynF Stats: 195/144/139 WOE: Eat Fat, Get Thin/I Can Make You Thin Start Date: January 2001	All of this started in the Playground..Paula Jayne started the "original thread"..It's fun to read what peeps said..I even said that she was a "great gal"..Can I take that back?..LOLOL

05-22-2008, 04:52 PM	#104
wifezilla Blabbermouth!!! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Colorado Springs, CO Posts: 5,347 Gallery: wifezilla Stats: 250/207/190 WOE: Read em all. Doing it my way. Start Date: May 2007	Here is what they ate.... "Their meals were composed of foods that were expected to typify the diets of people in Europe during the latter stages of the war: potatoes, rutabagas, turnips, bread and macaroni."