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05-23-2008, 02:24 PM
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Senior LCF Member
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: central Texas. . . but on the road again . . .
Posts: 726
Gallery: Sheridan
Stats: 231/getting there/155~145 5'8" w/ small frame
WOE: Atkins
Start Date: September 2, 2007
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05-23-2008, 02:24 PM
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Jo.. didn't say I was going back.. just said that sometimes the things I have to face now that I am out I wish I was still there.. does that make sense..
Like fear of food.. I didn't have to face that in there. |
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05-23-2008, 02:36 PM
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Senior LCF Member
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: New Egypt, NJ
Posts: 853
Gallery: Barbara B
WOE: Dr. Richard Bernstein
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05-23-2008, 02:39 PM
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Way too much time on my hands!
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Arizona
Posts: 12,134
Gallery: Nady
WOE: LC/No Grains
Start Date: On & Off Since 1972
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*What you don't know, won't hurt you.* KK aside, if you're like most people, it's the (hidden) things you find out that seem to hurt the most~ maybe ignorance is bliss~ but when the hidden is life threatening, then you have no choice but to face it down~ there is no way you can win if you don't have all the facts. And I'm speaking of personal victories, not the lawsuit. You'll be fine~just believe in yourself! ~~~N Last edited by Nady : 05-23-2008 at 02:41 PM. |
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05-23-2008, 02:41 PM
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Senior LCF Member
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: AL
Posts: 730
Gallery: jo2621
Stats: 225/143/140 (5'5")
WOE: LC
Start Date: June 2007
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Sure it makes sense. I know what you are talking about. To me, (JMHO) KK is all about not facing up to things. Heidi hasn't faced up to her lies, her manipulations and cruelty. Her minions haven't faced the fact that they are aiding and abeting a con artist and they are just as bad as she is. And those that are there and on "maintenance" can not face up to the fact that there is no maintenance plan and when you do reach goal you are totally on your own. If you read any of their writings, they say things like "I went off plan for a couple of days and I am doing strict K/E until I get the 10 pounds I regained off again." Honestly could you live the rest of your life like that? Believe me I get it...I have been just where you are. Last edited by jo2621 : 05-23-2008 at 02:46 PM. |
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05-23-2008, 02:48 PM
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Very Gabby LCF Member!!!
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05-23-2008, 02:56 PM
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Blabbermouth!!!
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The reason I ask is this. Your post that I quoted above says a lot about what type of person you are. That you are honest and you will take responsibility for your actions. You specifically say that to do other wise would be like giving people a diet you couldn't follow yourself. Isn't that what Dee did? She's this month's KK poster girl. In her last rant here she said she didn't lose weight doing KK. She said she changed the plan. In her own words..... Quote:
Does that make you question whether or not the menus she posted were real? That's something I've wondered. What about the advice she was giving people? Was she doing what Heidi's been doing all these years? These are all questions I'd be asking myself if I was you. I know you've already got a lot to digest, but I think this would be weighing pretty heavily on my mind right now, and I don't think I'd be so inclined to defend her. Lou |
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05-23-2008, 03:07 PM
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Committed to Succeed
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: State of Mind
Posts: 15,831
Gallery: Magicsmom
Stats: 282/210/140
WOE: Seeing a nutritionist who believes in low carb!
Start Date: Off & On (mostly on) since January 2004
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05-23-2008, 03:17 PM
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happy girlie girl!
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: TX
Posts: 6,236
Gallery: Cutie
Stats: lost 110lbs. 245-135; maintaining 135-140 :)
WOE: IE w/mostly low GL foods
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most here would best know her as "osuzanna" on the KK site. |
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05-23-2008, 03:22 PM
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Senior LCF Member
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Temecula, Ca.....My heart is in Taos, New Mexico!
Posts: 557
Gallery: NancyElle
Stats: 12/6-8/4 5'9
WOE: Low Carb/Working Out
Start Date: everyday~all the time
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05-23-2008, 03:28 PM
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Senior LCF Member
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: AL
Posts: 730
Gallery: jo2621
Stats: 225/143/140 (5'5")
WOE: LC
Start Date: June 2007
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When I was at KK another gal was diagnosed with diverticulitis.
Intitally she blamed the KK for it too. Then she went away and then popped back up and was trying to "tweak" with fiber bars etc. and was not having success. I can't remember her screen name right now I do remember a few details about her though. Last edited by jo2621 : 05-23-2008 at 03:31 PM. |
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05-23-2008, 03:45 PM
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Thank you Sheridan! Yep....there was a lot of dust!!! LOL! I'm happy to be here and happier to be a part of Heidi's site closing! |
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05-23-2008, 04:04 PM
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I am seeing that my friend Carly is getting heat for our "friendship" she's not going down with my ship. So here it is....what you wanted to know. Why I am now saying that I did not do KK, I did my manipulated version of KK. No one told me to do this....I did not give this advice to anyone. What I did, no one else knew of...not my doctor....not my eating disorders psychologist...it was my secret, until, I just made the connection of how following Heidi Diaz's flawed diet can cause a 240 lb woman of 43 years to have an Eating Disorder. I started the diet in June of 2007. I was off work on a disability for severe depression. The doctor had one rule. Everyday, I had to go to the gym and work out or go for a 3-5 miles walk, in addition to my volleyball, which I play 4 nights a week. I agreed. I started going to the gym. I worked on the treadmill. I played with the numbers. I knew that by increasing the incline, I would increase the calories burned. And, that I did. I had hours to burn calories. I could leave there and go to the Y and burn more calories swimming. What I hung to as far as the KK plan was 20 carbs a day....20 carbs a day...no more. Nothing more. With lots of exercise, and 20 carbs a day...weight was dropping. I started realizing how long it took to burn 800 calories...WOW, the out of control binging Dee could eat 800 calories in 5 minutes, but burning them...dang, it took more than an hour. Increase the incline. I was fixated on those numbers. 20 carbs and as many calories as I could burn in a day. I was able to devote lots of time to exercise thru July and August. Everyday. September 10, 2007, I returned to work. When back at work....I didn't have the time to devote to exercise. I went every evening, but not the hours that I could do when I was off work. I had to pack as much as I could in 1-2 hours in the evening. The scale began slowing down. I could figure out in fitday, what my approximate metabolic rate for just waking up and "breathing" was....so, somewhere along the line, the goal became to make sure that my metabolic rate and calories burned were approximately 3500 more a day than my intake. The only way to do that was to workout as long as I possibly could, including lunch hours at work, and decrease the calories--now I really had to pay attention to not only the carbs, but the calories that I was consuming. Basic math...this should make about 1 pound a day...allow for fluctuations...still should be at least 5 lbs a week....basic math...right? But the scale didn't do that. I posted about the "mystical scale". I posted about the "toggling" effect of the scale. But in the end...I believed that the basic math would give me an average of 5 lbs a week. It had too...didn't it. It's basic math and math is factual.... It wasn't working....so....in comes magnesium oxide....I'd just supplement to "move" things along. I had seen people post about it. I had seen Gary post about it. It's just a supplement...right? So I started taking it. At first as directed, but then....more than recommended. I'm not sure if it helped with the scale moving or not. I have no idea....but whatever it did....it didn't satisfy me. The reward at the scale didn't match the exertion and dedication. It needed some help. So....with no prompting and no word to a soul...I began taking laxatives. It started with just a dose...once a week, before my "weigh" in for a challenge or the BL contest at work...Just a dose. Then, it turned into two doses a week. Three doses a week. By the time that I made the decision that it wasn't doing enough....I was taking 8 pills/day 3 days a week. Now, I'm frustrated...the scale isn't helping me. The eating low calorie isn't helping me. THIS HAS TO WORK. IT WORKS. I'VE READ THE STORIES. I WILL MAKE THIS WORK. I remembered when I had the lapband, that you are forced to not overeat. If you do there are immediate punishments....not to be graphic, but you throw up. The lapband forces you to eat small quantities, if not, you throw up. I think somewhere around Holidays...November/December...sometime then...I did it for the first time. It was easy. Timing was everything. And, I could make myself do it. Funny, at 350 lbs, these ideas never crossed my mind...but they are soooooooo easy. At 43 years old and weighing 200 some odd pounds...that's not an eating disorder...it's a tool...just like the lapband (that's how it's rationalized)....Eating disorders are for 97 lb teenagers. Not 43 year old 200 some odd pound women. Now I had the ticket...and now...I could eat. Because if I was going to "purge" it...why not eat what I wanted at least some of the time....But, food was really scaring me.....Lots of confusion. Some days on plan put together, but I could also binge and not see it on the scale. Why did I give KK credit? Well, my weight loss was recorded out there. I hadn't ate more than 20 carbs. I was following KK and for the first time in my life, I was successful at weight loss. Wow, I think the word is "intoxicating" (TY--to the person who put the perfect word to it). Getting credit for losing weight, getting attention from guys. Having people look up to me. Yep...intoxicating. So, I continued on. But the attention that I wanted so bad...brought me out into cyber-space. Since I have been out here...I haven't been able to stick to any plan. Well, the only plan I have had out here is binge/purge/binge/purge. Everyday is just like the days of what seems like years ago...I will start tomorrow. No one on earth new what I was doing. I finally told someone the "secret". It was something that I couldn't journal about. It was something I couldn't talk about...it was something that I pretty much ignored and lied to myself about. Because...a 43 year old woman does not develop an eating disorder....especially at 240 lbs. If I told a soul that I had an eating disorder, they'd look at me like I was nutz....yeah Dee...you really look like your eating is suffering. I'm still obese. The scale still needs "manipulated". I can't move forward and I can't go back. Yesterday, I finally admitted to someone in real life what I was doing. My doctor. I told her the entire story of how it started, how it kept going. She said to me....you are in the throes of an eating disorder. I looked at her and said exactly what I said out here. 43 year old, 240 lb women do not get eating disorders. 97 lb teenage girls do. She told me....I think you are wrong and she set up weekly appointments rather than monthly. She also handed me a card to a nutritionist......who I likely won't call right now...I don't wanna hear nothing about eating carbs. Anyway, yes, I believed until very recently that I lost my weight with KK, I gave Heidi all the credit. She showed me the way. Recently, I've decided that many people are right....I get the credit for losing the weight. I maniuplated the program. I made decisions of what had to be done to lose the weight and I did it. So what does Heidi get credit for....for showing me a flawed plan...setting false expectations....not encouraging medical consultations...not considering psycological evaluations (for the record any VLCD medical program has a psyc evaluation, including LAPBAND--I should've known better). So, by creating those expectations...false stories, etc...Heidi set the stage and contributed to this full blown eating disorder. Something that I'm ashamed to admit, something that my friends and family don't know...and I guess something new for me to deal with. Carly....thank you for sticking by me. But I will tell you now...one of the things that I saw when you and I started the 12 week challenge, was your "strive" for numbers of calories burned and consumed.....just like me last summer. That is where the obession started with me. When you started posting in the 12 week challenge at KK, one of the things that you did was post those accomplishments of exercise everyday--do you remember that my posting stopped and/or slowed. I think that then...I was starting to realize the cycle. what can happen? Was it happening again to someone else? What would this 12 week challenge do...it struck a chord. Carly, thanks for being a friend. Thanks for standing with me. Thanks for including me. Thanks for caring about me. There's the story of why Dee is not a KK success story. There's the story of who gets credit for what as far as Dee's 108 lb loss. The rest of the story is yet to be written....I believe it will be between me and Dr. McFarland....It's a real story and a painful story for me....It's a disposable story for Heidi.... |
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05-23-2008, 04:36 PM
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Dee... (((Hugs))))
I'm praying for you... and I'm really sorry to hear your pain and struggle. Please... get help for you... and don't worry about the rest of it okay???Email me anytime... Carly can give you my address.  Last edited by Awakened : 05-23-2008 at 04:38 PM. |
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05-23-2008, 04:40 PM
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Hey Carly! I totally understand what you are saying! But.....we didn't have to face the fear of food there because it was Heidi that taught us or tricked us into that fear! Of course we didn't have to face it....we were learning it!!! now that we are out of there we can see what she was doing! No matter what we have to face it....I'm just angry that the seed of fear was planted! We can do this...we can get healthy....we can do it together ok?! |
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05-23-2008, 05:02 PM
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Dee....we are all disposable to Heidi!
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05-23-2008, 05:23 PM
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Our own Ixtapacheryl was featured as a success story because of her weight loss results... but she was eating  Brussels sprouts and cashews!!! Those aren't on the plan! I don't know if Cheryl included the sprouts and cashews information in her story, but I remember her saying something about Hidey editing her story before including it in the success story pages.
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"To be a successful scammer, you must remember context, remember your lies (in fact, I'd recommend a database that you can easily cross reference as needed), and above all, scan your after photos from a 5-year old magazine or catalog that is not electronically accessible." Megpie There's nothing better than living a life that's Kimkins-Free! |
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05-23-2008, 05:26 PM
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. Glad you're here, gran! 
Again, from my experience with practiced liars, they universally hate it when presented with clear facts, and even more vehemently so when they are facts they themself have produced. 
