Why the fascination with Kimmer? #17

[malucas]

Originally Posted by OhYeahBabe

How do we know you are not Kimmer, or sent by Kimmer, to increase the mistrust of Dee? Kimmer would certainly have motive/incentive to do that.

I have Gran to Angels, Slick Chick, that can vouch for me. Also AmyB..I am currently working with Amy in getting information to use against Heidi. I live 40 minutes from Heidi and know exactly where she lives and am willing to stand and her door and knock if she has the guts to answer. You have no reason to trust me and frankly I don't care. I am only trying to help others to see what I have had to see that Heidi is a killer..So you can trust me or not makes no difference...in the end my actions will prove who I am and that is what I said I was all along...

[jo2621]

Originally Posted by LINC

I'm with you on that. This thread has morphed into so many different things. I don't know that it was ever a really "safe" place for Kimkins refugees, with all the digging that goes on, negativity about Kimkins and Heidi (all justified) combined with the raw feelings of betrayal and such. Let me rephrase that. It's a safe place to be, but not a calm, warm fuzzy place.

That's exactly the environment I was looking for and wanted.

A way to channel my feelings, not a warm and cozy.

[MissMerize]

Originally Posted by malucas

Hi I would like to officially introduce myself. My name is Mal and I am a former KKer. I have read through these threads and find it disturbing that even though Dee didn't denounce KK and that she wasn't going to go against what all of you stand up for..This is not just helping those who were taken advantage of but to make a stand against Heidi and her lies. Even though she said she wasn't going to do the plan anymore she isn't really taking making a decision either way. We are all here for the same pupose and to glean support from one another that have been there. Why be defensive for Heidi and her scam. I find it disturbing that she has talked her way in and out of here. She is a spider and I see alot of people here caught in the web. She is not suicidal. She is overwhelmed by her lies and defending them and Heidi. If I was protecting myself I certainly wouldn't come to a thread that apparently has a certain disdain for Heidi and her Diet of Death. If I had to defend myself for any reason, other than why I was doing this plan I certainly wouldn't come here to a thread that is clearly anti-kimkins..Would you??? Somethig just smells rotten in Rivertown.....

When I entered in here, I did not have information and had not been reading all of these threads. While I agreed that Heidi was a problem, I was not entirely informed that the diet was an issue. While I even encountered effects of the diet - I was in denial, and it took some time to sort through some feelings and realize what a hazard the actual diet is.

So, if Dee has not come to that realization yet then I do see it as a possibility. I also understand the trust issues we all face in here for now.

I think a lot has happened in the past few days, and given time Dee will come to realize the problems with the actual diet itself - and only when that happens will she realize she is being used as a big old billboard for KK.

Right now she could be in mourning of her friends - and even seeing her say she wanted to get something posted in there tells me there are withdrawls going on.

I could be entirely wrong - but I know how long it took for me to completely change gears. So I cannot condemn until I have allowed others the same amount of time I had to fully digest everything going on.

It is a real mind _ _ _ _ (yes, a very bad word there) when you realize what has been done to you.

I knew this thread was anti-kk when I was still hopeful for the plan - and I barreled right in. I will say, I did believe there was new ownership at the time - but had not considered the diet itself to be any of the controversy.

I am aware (this could be a spider), but hopeful for Dee. She only knows about the lies. Hopefully she soon realizes the same about the diet and how she is still being used.

[vernswifevickie]

Originally Posted by malucas

Heidi and her Diet of Death..

I can't even begin to tell you how much I LOVE this phrase!!

[malucas]

By the way Babe...heidi wouldn't refer to her plan ever as the Diet of Death.no matter what..

[amadeus4313]

Originally Posted by malucas

I wasn't advocating being unkind, but to be wary when dealing with an individual who can rip apart people who have had serious side-effects due to the Diet of Death saying it was their own fault.. that is what we seem to be over-looking. That is what Heidi has been saying all along to everyone in her defense...

Very good advice. Point well taken.

[OhYeahBabe]

Hidey has been blogging her heart out the past few days. She's apparently preparing for a summer rush, or is trying to make like everything is normal.

[WildAngel6]

Mal!

Originally Posted by malucas

Hi I would like to officially introduce myself. My name is Mal and I am a former KKer. I have read through these threads and find it disturbing that even though Dee didn't denounce KK and that she wasn't going to go against what all of you stand up for..This is not just helping those who were taken advantage of but to make a stand against Heidi and her lies. Even though she said she wasn't going to do the plan anymore she isn't really taking making a decision either way. We are all here for the same pupose and to glean support from one another that have been there. Why be defensive for Heidi and her scam. I find it disturbing that she has talked her way in and out of here. She is a spider and I see alot of people here caught in the web. She is not suicidal. She is overwhelmed by her lies and defending them and Heidi. If I was protecting myself I certainly wouldn't come to a thread that apparently has a certain disdain for Heidi and her Diet of Death. If I had to defend myself for any reason, other than why I was doing this plan I certainly wouldn't come here to a thread that is clearly anti-kimkins..Would you??? Somethig just smells rotten in Rivertown.....

[OhYeahBabe]

Originally Posted by malucas

By the way Babe...heidi wouldn't refer to her plan ever as the Diet of Death.no matter what..

I think she would do anything if it served her purpose.

But anyway, my post wasn't really about YOU. Just venting. Sorry you were in the path.

[amadeus4313]

And as for you, Miss Jeanessa - - and prayers going out to you and your Mom, along with our thanks for all you are doing for the cause.
Mary

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by amadeus4313

HoneyBee,
I have admired your work from the beginning so I know where you were coming from with your questions. I do not in any way fault you for asking them. I have the utmost respect for all of the players in this saga. We are all made up of different personality types and I think it is very easy to misread the tone of the written word.

Mary

Thank you Mary. I know I can be tenacious to a fault at times. I did feel the questions were important in order for me to believe Dee. But I have made my own decisions based on what I can find and others are free to do the same. And I respect that they may chose differently than me.

Originally Posted by LINC

I just peeked at the Russian Brides - I was feeling nostalgic - and forgot that Rob was wearing a banana hammock. And the angle of his picture is. Bad.

Lou

Not a banana hammock!
I think it was Kat or Missi that threatened to place me on ignore if I posted his pic again on one of the threads. lol

Originally Posted by malucas

Hi I would like to officially introduce myself. My name is Mal and I am a former KKer. I have read through these threads and find it disturbing that even though Dee didn't denounce KK and that she wasn't going to go against what all of you stand up for..This is not just helping those who were taken advantage of but to make a stand against Heidi and her lies. Even though she said she wasn't going to do the plan anymore she isn't really taking making a decision either way. We are all here for the same pupose and to glean support from one another that have been there. Why be defensive for Heidi and her scam. I find it disturbing that she has talked her way in and out of here. She is a spider and I see alot of people here caught in the web. She is not suicidal. She is overwhelmed by her lies and defending them and Heidi. If I was protecting myself I certainly wouldn't come to a thread that apparently has a certain disdain for Heidi and her Diet of Death. If I had to defend myself for any reason, other than why I was doing this plan I certainly wouldn't come here to a thread that is clearly anti-kimkins..Would you??? Somethig just smells rotten in Rivertown.....

You have pointed out many of the issues I have had with Dee and tried to express when my questions were not answered.

I think I was hoping that others that were reading or posting, were seeing what I saw and not being led down a path of trusting too much too soon.

That they were not taking her into confidence and sharing things that would come back to bite them.

A protective reflex on my part for those here, who have been victimized by Heidi already, as much as it was a defense to guard my opinion. But I have decided that if others see it differently then, although I am concerned, I have to say they have their own perspective of the situation.

[malucas]

I definitly agree that this thread wouldn't exist if we all weren't mentally scr*wed by this plan and that person..As I said before I am still dealing with the after affects and am trying to reconcile in my mind that I was taken..I have been going over old material sent to me by all the people that had left and were banned. One thing is that I totally ignored all that thinking that that could never be me..But, the longer you are there the greater the scr*w..

[jeanessa]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

Jeanessa if you read Dee's statements from when she came here in thread #16, she stated that it was people claiming that she didn't lose her weight with kimkins but Lapband, that she was made a target *AFTER* her appearance on the kimkins front page, which was in April or May of 2008 not October 2007. Several of us looked for that post and it didn't exist.

If my post from October or Kaligurls from Nov. 2007, is what brought her here, then she could have said so and that would have been the end of it.
But that is not what she said time and time again.

If you got that opinion that it was feasible, that she was reading those posts, and those were the ones she was describing, then I have to say that I don't believe you read Dee's post at the beginning.

I read Dee's posts at the beginning, but as most of it was, in my opinion, verbal miniutia, I largely ignored the bulk of it. She had a chip on her shoulder THIS big and wasn't really trying to hear anything logical, and since I deal mostly in logic and reason, I wasn't wasting what little time I have...

I read about Dee's role at KK and her lap band surgery some time ago. I don't recall if it was this thread or one of the blogs or their comments section (and I am too busy to look right now), but she is correct in stating that she was discussed prior to her arrival on FWK.

Perhaps she stumbled here or was referred here and shot at the hip at all of "us" not bothering to differentiate between the blogs, the threads, the comments and everywhere else? Perhaps, she didn't?

[jeanessa]

Originally Posted by amadeus4313

And as for you, Miss Jeanessa - - and prayers going out to you and your Mom, along with our thanks for all you are doing for the cause.
Mary

Thanks! Stress, stress, stress! But it could be worse, so I am cool

No need to thank me, we'll all dance and be merry when the 404 error comes!

[malucas]

Babe I am not in the least worried. Like I said, I understand what you are all doing here and I wanted to contribute to the voice that is trying to get heard against Heidi and Her DOD..Kudos to all of you , wish I would've heard more about what you guys were doing sooner, maybe I still wouldn't be struggling with my brain right now and have less mental issues, due to this plan...I came here to help Gran that was struggling with her own voice to be heard by DEE. Yes I knew her at KK and was briefly on a few threads with her..I agree about the comraderie, it is more sad to lose all those friends than being banned...But, then in light of all the personas Heidi and SingingLass took on who'se to say they were real and not the figment of someone else's imagination???

[LINC]

Honey, I notice that the manager of the bride site left you a message. Wouldn't it be sweet if, at the end of all this, it was the brides who took her down? Not that I don't want to see Janessa and the lawsuit win it all. You'd have to laugh if something came completely out of left field like that and shut her down. I'd love to see the Russian Brides get justice too.

Lou

[Katinsac]

Honey...wasn't me! (at least I don't remember it, lol...might be wrong)

[cleochatra]

Thanks for the kudos, WildAngel. I'm excited about the opportunity to pay it forward on that scale.

[Katinsac]

Mal...my suggestion would be to STAY AWAY from Heidi's door!! She will use it against the lawsuit.

[Katinsac]

Wow, if this thread keeps moving like it is...this saga will be over by tomorrow!! Then we can get back to the business of KK and MCD....lol

[cleochatra]

Originally Posted by malucas

I definitly agree that this thread wouldn't exist if we all weren't mentally scr*wed by this plan and that person..As I said before I am still dealing with the after affects and am trying to reconcile in my mind that I was taken..I have been going over old material sent to me by all the people that had left and were banned. One thing is that I totally ignored all that thinking that that could never be me..But, the longer you are there the greater the scr*w..

As well, when you build up a very strong network of friends and you risk losing them when you discover the truth and speak out, where is the motivation in it? So many folks online are looking for friendships and support.

Look at all of the people who don't leave cults because of those they would leave behind.

BTW, hey and welcome, malucas!

[malucas]

Katnsac, I was speaking figuratively. However, I would love her to know who I am....but if I get to close I might have to hurt her, and I am not violent, just very angry. I tried to forgive her but just can't seem to. There is absolutly no remorse....She is laughing her arse off right now at her computer with her big bag of oreos from CVS...She is evil incarnate...

[HoneyBee2]

Nessa- I reread my reply to your point and didn't want the tone to seem snarky. I am not being snarky. I snark a lot more sneakily... And try to direct it to Heidi or those helping her promote her fraud.

I was not trying to shoot you, the messenger in your post.
But only point out the differences in the posts and Dee's description of things.
I just didn't see the posts matching what Dee was protesting when she came into the thread.

But we may just see it differently.

ETA- Jeanessa I just saw your post. Man, I am getting behind or not keeping up very well today...At any rate, I gotcha.

[malucas]

Originally Posted by cleochatra

As well, when you build up a very strong network of friends and you risk losing them when you discover the truth and speak out, where is the motivation in it? So many folks online are looking for friendships and support.

Look at all of the people who don't leave cults because of those they would leave behind.

BTW, hey and welcome, malucas!

Hey Cleochatra..your recipes are the bomb...I wish that I was even minutely as creative as you in the kitchen..I am still new to lo-carbing and your rolls are just amazing..There is a saying when one door closes another one opens..I am glad your door was open here and that there are truely amazing people here that know exactly how I feel and what I have been through..I really understand the need to be wary

[MomToEli]

Originally Posted by DEEDLYNN

Thanks slick...but tomorrow is not going to be better. The next day is not going to be better. Next week is not going be better. The only way that I'd be better right now...quite frankly...is DEAD.

That's a bit dramatic, isn't it? I thought your support group went into a Yahoo group or chat so you are all still in touch? Carly followed you and ended up getting banned in the process. I'd say that's support.
Slick is right, Dee.

You know, I used to have a sign on my refridgerator that said, "The second person to speak starts the argument." There is no argument or debate unless player #2 agrees to play. So, player #2 has the power.