Why the fascination with Kimmer? #17

[Madam De Leon]

Originally Posted by amadeus4313

For me it was the way the questions were asked. The written word does not always convey the true tone in which the poster is writing so I may be perceiving the tone all wrong. The questions, to me, had an accusatory feel to them. That is just my perception. And I do not fault anyone for their feelings about any of this.

I just don't think anyone is under any obligation to answer something just because it is demanded of them. Dee may not be coming out publicly against Kimkins, but she is not promoting it and she is no longer defending Heidi. If she needs time to come to terms with things, then she needs the time. It had seemed that she was finding her niche here and then the questions started again.

I don't know, I love everyone here - those I agree with and those I don't agree with - because I believe that the main reason for this thread is to bring down the Kimpire. Kind of a "who is not against us is with us" kind of thing. I just don't see Dee as being against us anymore.

And for the record, I don't think she was threatening suicide. I think she was trying to make the point that she was feeling so low that feeling nothing would be an improvement. But what do I know? I have my own issues with food.

My thoughts exactly.

Even if it wasn't really a suicide threat, someone who knows her phone number (or better yet, how to contact her during the work day) needs to try to get in touch with her to make sure she's ok.

[LoraJR72]

Originally Posted by cleochatra

I think this thread has a lot of life left in it. The trial has not ended, the scam has not been contained as of yet, and there is more to be done.

I think maybe less blurring of the lines between supporting ex-KK members looking for a home and activism might help.

IOW, Vickie's support thread is where folks who want support and changing plans/easing out of KK can go, whereas this thread is for 1. pulling weeds, 2. updating and 3. continued discussion of the dangers of a VLCD.

Absolutely!

[cleochatra]

Originally Posted by conbofan9

HB someone ( I think Carly) posted on the other thread that they had spoken with Dee today. so i am guessing/hoping she is OK.,..

Agreed.

Let's give Dee some much-deserved respite.

I was thinking it might be cool to look back on some of the very huge things we've been thankful for during this journey.

I'll start:

I appreciate that Bama not only is working to help fight the scam of a VLCD but is also a resource for folks who have had botched weight loss surgery and warns others of the negative side effects of a multi-million dollar industry.

I appreciate that Jeanessa has tirelessly fought for justice. For her, it's been a part-time job, to say the least. How many of us have ever fought this hard for something we believe in? She is a great person!

I'm thankful for the old guard (you know who you are) who took this thing and ran with it when it was still new and unfolding. You started the blogs, started the research and even when you burned out after months of hard work, you're still there behind the scenes, fighting for what is right. There's something to be said for the founding mothers and fathers of this movement, and those blogs which still stand as go-to sources for people who, even today, are still seeking answers.

[Katinsac]

Originally Posted by catzrule

I think it's just that Dee is getting hit from all sides. I don't think anyone called YOU abrasive. I see that Dee needs breathing room and yes, the ducks want to see people 'see the light' about the dangers of the KK diet. It will take time and I think while we want to know where Dee's head it at the moment, I don't think Dee knows where Dee's head is at the moment.

I think, for now, it's perfectly fine to let her absorb everything and I think we need to give her that time. SHe's out of KK, she's talking to other KKers about her experience. I think she's doing the best SHE can at the moment. I think she should be allowed to absorb. She hasn't said she wouldn't respond, just that she needs time. I think that's perfectly reasonable.

I see it like being in a room full of TVs all on at the same time, all playing different channels and Dee trying to watch them all.

Dee, I hope you are OK.

ITA with you and Bama...I think Dee and Carly are getting "information overload" and need to step away from this thread for a while. Dee seems to think she needs to defend herself on everything. To absorb all the information they have been given in the last few days is a lot to take.

Carly, I'm glad you started a thread. That is the place for you and the other new banned survivors to go and discuss your feelings, etc. This is not the place. This is the place to see the problems with Heidi and her WOE and how dangerous it is, etc. Support needs to come from somewhere else.

Don't get me wrong...there are many if not all here who support people coming out of KK and welcome them. Most do not go on the defensive and come in blazing like Dee...most come in seeking support and help. Yes, Dee saw the light (some) and has been basically honest in why she is here, etc. but, for some reason she still is not fully understanding the whole picture. She needs time away from this thread and I hope that is what she is doing right now.

For the record though...I too googled her name and never found a thread that lead her here. I'm guessing she was lurking, saw the thread and came in to defend herself. This is not a bad thing but I think that explains more than her explination of how she found us.

So the bottom line is...Dee, Carly and the other KK lurkers who need support should go to Carly's thread and discuss your feelings. You are more than welcome here but I'd suggest to read to get info. Read all 17 threads...they explian a lot about where we are coming from.

This is hopeing Dee is better today.....

[WildAngel6]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

Carly- Do you know how to contact Dee and confirm that she is ok?
I think based on her words that it should be followed up on.

If no one can determine the status of things, then I will attempt to notify the authorities and have them go to her home. But there are many Deanna's in the Cincinnati area. Yes, I have the last name.
If someone that talked to her on the phone- Deni, Christin, AmyB, Jimmy Moore???
If y'all could weigh in on whether you talked to her on the phoneor if you would be willing to confirm an address for the authorities, based on her number

HB, thankfully, I just heard from someone who is currently emailing with Dee, and she's ok.

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by amadeus4313

For me it was the way the questions were asked. The written word does not always convey the true tone in which the poster is writing so I may be perceiving the tone all wrong. The questions, to me, had an accusatory feel to them. That is just my perception. And I do not fault anyone for their feelings about any of this.

I just don't think anyone is under any obligation to answer something just because it is demanded of them. Dee may not be coming out publicly against Kimkins, but she is not promoting it and she is no longer defending Heidi. If she needs time to come to terms with things, then she needs the time. It had seemed that she was finding her niche here and then the questions started again.

I don't know, I love everyone here - those I agree with and those I don't agree with - because I believe that the main reason for this thread is to bring down the Kimpire. Kind of a "who is not against us is with us" kind of thing. I just don't see Dee as being against us anymore.

And for the record, I don't think she was threatening suicide. I think she was trying to make the point that she was feeling so low that feeling nothing would be an improvement. But what do I know? I have my own issues with food.

If you got that Dee was attacked by the tone of the questions I asked, then fair enough. I don't have a problem with being judged by my own words. I only ask that it not be done at the manipulation of the person being asked the question.

But do remember that when the questions started Dee was promoting Kimkins. She was here promoting kimkins or "her choices" and promoting KK by being on the newsletter this month. That coincidentally came out shortly after her arrival here. Take it for it is worth, maybe only a coincidence or maybe marketing on Heidi's part.

And one of the questions I asked was the date of Dee's picture.
When it comes to the date of a "before" picture, turning out to be November 2005, and it is being used to promote the kimkins plan, that someone started in Oct 2007. Then you can see where the obligation may not be there for her to answer her motives or stance on kimkins, but neither is the obligation to take everything at face value.

[Carly07]

For the record.. I do sort of know how to get in touch with Dee.. I have tried..
No response as of yet.. HOWEVER.. I will say there have been days where I haven't talked to her at all... even if I did email or text.

I am just as concerned as anyone.. she is my friend.. but I honestly think she just stepped back.

[amadeus4313]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

If you got that Dee was attacked by the tone of the questions I asked, then fair enough. I don't have a problem with being judged by my own words. I only ask that it not be done at the manipulation of the person being asked the question.

HoneyBee,
I have admired your work from the beginning so I know where you were coming from with your questions. I do not in any way fault you for asking them. I have the utmost respect for all of the players in this saga. We are all made up of different personality types and I think it is very easy to misread the tone of the written word.

Mary

[tiggerr]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

And one of the questions I asked was the date of Dee's picture.
When it comes to the date of a "before" picture, turning out to be November 2005, and it is being used to promote the kimkins plan, that someone started in Oct 2007. Then you can see where the obligation may not be there for her to answer her motives or stance on kimkins, but neither is the obligation to take everything at face value.

Or a 'during' picture that might very well be from 2006.

[WildAngel6]

The Last Atkins Dieter: Thin at any cost

Middle Aged Women: Thin at All Cost

Health at any weight rather than thin at any cost

Before I was aware of Kimkins, I used to sign all my emails:

Happy Low Carbing,

Laura

Once I started learning about Kimkins and how dangerous it is, I changed my signature to:

Happy Healthy Low Carbing,

Laura

I have been in that boat where I wanted to be thin so badly that I did stupid things. Cabbage soup diet, banana/skim milk diet, cambridge diet, etc.

Fortunately, I didn't do too much damage to myself, although I did wreak havoc on my metabolism.

For many of us who had been overweight for a long time, or so overweight that healthy slow weight loss just seemed to take forever, things like Kimkins and WLS might look like the magic we've been waiting for. Judging from all the horror stories I've heard from Kimkins Survivors and WLS Survivors, I'll just learn a little more patience and stick with Atkins, thank you very much.

[MissMerize]

Originally Posted by shelby7851

FWIW, i have read this thread since the first day of fwk #1. I have seen people come and go, very few are here today that were here in that first day.

I think that it is the nature of the regular posters here to be suspicious. It is the nature of this game. It has been said over and over, if you are looking for support, ex KK'ers, THIS thread isnt the place for it. There are gobs of them in the other Kimmer threads. This is for cynical and suspicious people, that is how they figured this all out, by being such.
I too googled her name and did not see at all where she was able to see by that, that she was being discussed. I did it, to find her blog actually, and wasnt even able to get there by just putting in deedlyn in google. What this means, is that her very first statement here was not truthful, or at least not completely. I think it is not that unusual that people are mistrusting of her, based on that, which has never been fully explained. Besides that, I find this whole, pretending to be on one side, then switching over, it is all very strange. I, who have been here for months, almost a year on this thing, dont understand it at all. I have seen a LOT of people come over from kk, and none of them had that same story, that same vibe, she is unique, the first to give people these feelings.

It seems that she is going on a personal journey, and I hope that it turns out well for her. But if she needs space, then she should TAKE it, it isnt for us to GIVE.

ITA. But I will admit - I did hang in here for support AND this thread can become very addictive when you first get out because most of the posters here do have answers - at the same time it is overwhelming. It is easy to get caught up in here, and forget to go elsewhere for other things. Dee needed to vent - and she was asking questions and looking for information. Give her some time, and I think you will see a change in some of her first statements.

Originally Posted by Carly07

I started a new thread today.. if anyone would like to bring your support to us via a new forum please feel free to do so. I have to wonder if the "attacks" are not so much based on wher we are and what we are doing but because of the thread we are in we are getting asked questions that really wouldn't matter else where..

the thread is under the Kimmer Threads Called.. the 2008 banned wagon.... cruising along in my automobile..

If anyone attacks you there Carly, you tell me and I'll go smack em up. I might stop in for a visit.

[jeanessa]

Just an fyi, for the record or whatever...

If you do a google search for deedlynn, you do find a post that mentions her name on 10.29.2007 in Fascination thread #8 when Honeybee says the following:

"ETA- The post "response to the BBB review" was posted by DEEDLYNN (a newbie) who replied to an original post by Singinglass that was posted over a month ago! I wonder why Tippy Toes didn't jump on that member for posting to a thread that is "old". I say this because TT and SL both chastised a member who posted on a thread about 2 weeks old where a nursing mother asked if it was ok to do kimkins! The felt it was suspicious.....well this is even more suspicious considering the spelling tippy Toes!
HONEYBEE
(A.K.A AMY)"

Her name is listed again on 11.15.2007 in a post by Kaligurl that pulls this quote from the KK site:

** deedlynn, I am taking responsibility for following the diet, I however WILL NOT take responsibility for believeing information that was false. Heidi knew she was lying and portraying a fraud and that is just wrong. If this diet did not have the health side effects I don't think it would be that big of an issue. Phen-phen was originally prescribed as the answer for weight-loss and when its negative side effects were discovered, people were upset and they had every right to be. We all believed in this diet because soo many people had done it successfully( or so we thought) and we have every right to blame Heidi for presenting us with false information. She may not have forced us to this diet or to spend our money , but she made it so enticing that there was no way we could say no. She reeled us in hook, line, and sinker. Support the plan if you want, but those of us who were burned cannot do that.

So, it is entirely feasible that she did Google her name and come up with the Fascination threads...

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by conbofan9

HB someone ( I think Christin) posted on the other thread that they had spoken with Dee today. so i am guessing/hoping she is OK.,..

Originally Posted by WildAngel6

HB, thankfully, I just heard from someone who is currently emailing with Dee, and she's ok.

Originally Posted by Carly07

For the record.. I do sort of know how to get in touch with Dee.. I have tried..
No response as of yet.. HOWEVER.. I will say there have been days where I haven't talked to her at all... even if I did email or text.

I am just as concerned as anyone.. she is my friend.. but I honestly think she just stepped back.

Thanks everyone for confirming that she is ok.

Carly, I can totally understand her taking some time and I am not trying to drag Dee into this thread by asking about her. I really thought her wellbeing needed be established, given the post she left us with and the concern that has been expressed. It seems it was discussed on another thread, but I haven't been checked anywhere but here and email today.
So thanks again.

*Any other things I need to ponder on, in regards to Dee's situation, I will take off LCF and do it on my blog. I do not want to risk this thread being closed, because I do recognize the importance it holds.

ETA- By other things- I mean any new things I need to ponder- Old pondering is still an option as I see it.

[malucas]

Hi I would like to officially introduce myself. My name is Mal and I am a former KKer. I have read through these threads and find it disturbing that even though Dee didn't denounce KK and that she wasn't going to go against what all of you stand up for..This is not just helping those who were taken advantage of but to make a stand against Heidi and her lies. Even though she said she wasn't going to do the plan anymore she isn't really taking making a decision either way. We are all here for the same pupose and to glean support from one another that have been there. Why be defensive for Heidi and her scam. I find it disturbing that she has talked her way in and out of here. She is a spider and I see alot of people here caught in the web. She is not suicidal. She is overwhelmed by her lies and defending them and Heidi. If I was protecting myself I certainly wouldn't come to a thread that apparently has a certain disdain for Heidi and her Diet of Death. If I had to defend myself for any reason, other than why I was doing this plan I certainly wouldn't come here to a thread that is clearly anti-kimkins..Would you??? Somethig just smells rotten in Rivertown.....

[amadeus4313]

And you may very well be right. I have my own suspicions about things also, but in my dotage I am finding that life treats me much better if I err on the side of kindness. That doesn't mean that if I find out that someone is lying to me, that I am going to let it slide or be anyone's doormat.

There has been too much good work done on this thread to let it get pulled for any reason.

[jeanessa]

Originally Posted by amadeus4313

And you may very well be right. I have my own suspicions about things also, but in my dotage I am finding that life treats me much better if I err on the side of kindness. That doesn't mean that if I find out that someone is lying to me, that I am going to let it slide or be anyone's doormat.

There has been too much good work done on this thread to let it get pulled for any reason.

Say it right, babe!

[Nady]

After reading the last 3 pages, I'm I want to believe that Dee actually *saw the light* but now I'm not so sure~ seems like there was a lot of diversion here for the last couple of days.

I agree~ former KKers should look for info here, but support on other threads~ maybe one of the 'banned wagon' ones should be a sticky above the FWK threads so new escapees will see it first~ this one would be good~ Ex Kimkin Members Chit Chat Support Thread
~~~N

[OhYeahBabe]

Originally Posted by cleochatra

LOL on the other comments, BTW! I was trying not to shoot lettuce through my nose (salad shooter from the snooter).

(Trying to stay on topic here, so I'll say "Eat Healthfully, even if you shoot it through your nose!"

Surely you're not suggesting we eat what we've shot thru our noses?

[LINC]

Originally Posted by Nady

After reading the last 3 pages, I'm I want to believe that Dee actually *saw the light* but now I'm not so sure~ seems like there was a lot of diversion here for the last couple of days.

I agree~ former KKers should look for info here, but support on other threads~ maybe one of the 'banned wagon' ones should be a sticky above the FWK threads so new escapees will see it first~
~~~N

I'm with you on that. This thread has morphed into so many different things. I don't know that it was ever a really "safe" place for Kimkins refugees, with all the digging that goes on, negativity about Kimkins and Heidi (all justified) combined with the raw feelings of betrayal and such. Let me rephrase that. It's a safe place to be, but not a calm, warm fuzzy place.

I just peeked at the Russian Brides - I was feeling nostalgic - and forgot that Rob was wearing a banana hammock. And the angle of his picture is. Bad.

Lou

[Rose1271]

Originally Posted by jeanessa

Just an fyi, for the record or whatever...

If you do a google search for deedlynn, you do find a post that mentions her name on 10.29.2007 in Fascination thread #8 when Honeybee says the following:

"ETA- The post "response to the BBB review" was posted by DEEDLYNN (a newbie) who replied to an original post by Singinglass that was posted over a month ago! I wonder why Tippy Toes didn't jump on that member for posting to a thread that is "old". I say this because TT and SL both chastised a member who posted on a thread about 2 weeks old where a nursing mother asked if it was ok to do kimkins! The felt it was suspicious.....well this is even more suspicious considering the spelling tippy Toes!
HONEYBEE
(A.K.A AMY)"

Her name is listed again on 11.15.2007 in a post by Kaligurl that pulls this quote from the KK site:

** deedlynn, I am taking responsibility for following the diet, I however WILL NOT take responsibility for believeing information that was false. Heidi knew she was lying and portraying a fraud and that is just wrong. If this diet did not have the health side effects I don't think it would be that big of an issue. Phen-phen was originally prescribed as the answer for weight-loss and when its negative side effects were discovered, people were upset and they had every right to be. We all believed in this diet because soo many people had done it successfully( or so we thought) and we have every right to blame Heidi for presenting us with false information. She may not have forced us to this diet or to spend our money , but she made it so enticing that there was no way we could say no. She reeled us in hook, line, and sinker. Support the plan if you want, but those of us who were burned cannot do that.

So, it is entirely feasible that she did Google her name and come up with the Fascination threads...

Thanks for finding the first mention in October. I looked when I googled but only came up with the second mention from November. Since there is so much information out there that she could have been reading it is also possible that she was led here through AmyB's blog, her invitation, and googling her own name, blog comments and whatever else is out there. At least that's what I get from going back and reading her introduction post back in Thread 16. When information overload occurs, it is very easy to string things together it can get blurry.