Why the fascination with Kimmer? #17

[DEEDLYNN]

tiger...I do the Thanksgiving Day Race. I've done it the past 3 years. The before photo in my avatar at KK, is the first year. I came in DEAD last. I finished, but I came in DEAD last.

[DEEDLYNN]

I would have to say that I will scrape out the inside. This is the first time I have bought fresh ones to roast. I have always bought them in the can...(or already mixed in spinach & artichoke dip)

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by DEEDLYNN

These PODCAST are very "enlightening". She admits that the biggest reason to pay $60 (at the time) for her website is the support forums....the people on the forums...Not KK or KIMMER, the support forums.....and those are out here for free. "duh" (I know that's not the gist of these PODCASTS--but she just admitted that everyone paid $60 for what we get out here for FREE)

Free is what her advice is worth. I don't want weight loss advice from someone who weighs a good 50 pounds more than I do, and that is predicated on believing her last weight report. Not that I believe her about anything, mind you, but the point is that even if she's telling the truth, she could probably learn a thing or two from me. I don't need her input, free or otherwise.

Originally Posted by la.lady

I gave up caffeine for months and I got so lethargic that I had to get back on it. I was not happy the whole time I was off of it either. Why not caffeine???

I think Dr. Atkins didn't want you to have it. I'm not giving it up, though.

Originally Posted by Carly07

a celebration of sorts.

Here is what I had for breakfast.. carbs are almost at my daily limit with breakfast alone. Does anyone have any advise to eating veggies and keeping the carbs low? I am going to wal mart today and pick up the Adkins.. Atkins?? I can never remember book.. just thought maybe you guys could help. oh fyi the CM SF is Sugar Free Coffemate.. I am addicted to it.

Food Name Servings Serving Size Cals Fat Carb Prot
CM SF French Vanilla 60 4 4 0
Sour Cream 60 5 1 0
Egg Beater South Western 90 0 3 18
Mozzarella Cheese Part Skim 82 6 1 6
Onions, mature, raw 10 0 2 0
Pepper, sweet, green, raw 6 0 1 0
Tomatoes, raw 5 0 1 0
Mushrooms, raw 7 0 1 1
Salsa 10 0 2 0
Totals 330 15 17 26

I agree that this looks better than yesterday, and if you use heavy cream with vanilla Torani or DaVinci syrup, your coffee will be just as tasty and better for you.

Originally Posted by mrsmenopausal

Caffeine can be an appetite stimulant.

I'm glad you said it can be an appetite stimulant. Both my DH and I find that if we don't eat before our morning coffee, our appetite is killed and we can't eat. So for some of us, it's not a stimulant, it's the opposite.

[jo2621]

Originally Posted by Magicsmom

Free is what her advice is worth. I don't want weight loss advice from someone who weighs a good 50 pounds more than I do, and that is predicated on believing her last weight report. Not that I believe her about anything, mind you, but the point is that even if she's telling the truth, she could probably learn a thing or two from me. I don't need her input, free or otherwise.

Thanks for saying that Magicsmom.

That was a big problem for me @ KK when I realized there was no maintenence plan and that the guru who was advising me had probably never gotten to goal in the first place and clearly did not maintain even if she did.

Sure maybe she did lose weight at times, then what? Keeping it off is a lifetime committment and I want to learn from someone who knows how to make that committment.

I want to have someone advise me who can practice what they preach.

[2big4mysize]

Dee there are no recipes on my blog I just link folk to Cleos and to the Atkins induction foods porn just don't go on an empty stomach cause you will be drooling and get hungry and then 1/2 roasted artichokes might get choked down

[SMP]

Originally Posted by ketosis

Something else that has bothered me right from the beginning of the unraveling of the Kimkins lies is the nagging feeling that she is not just perpetuating this fraud. That there are other internet scams she has on the go or on deck. I know that she is on other boards with other aliases looking for an opportunity like she did with low carb. I just know it.

It may be true now, but this is her pre-eminent scam, the one in which she invested untold hours both as herself and as alter egos.This is where Kimkins was born, and where, hopefully, it will be laid to rest (with an assist from the courts.) Personally, I do have a temporarily interrupted life, and am trying to resume it. I do not intend to follow Heidi like a stalker around the net - that's a very Heidi-ish thing to do. I'm sure the law will be holding her under the microscope if and when she is convicted of Internet fraud; thus freeing me to live my life again.

[DEEDLYNN]

Something is bothering me...(well...more than the other things that are bothering me).

I have been told...by a very reputable source, that it has been proven that there are numerous confirmed false active profiles on the KK site. Meaning, likely that Heidi has made up profiles...likely to make the site look busier than it is...or to lurk in chat, etc...without being recognized as Heidi...(she likes her privacy ya know.)

Anyway....when I thought about that...I thought about the many folks that came into chat and talked with us. We took a lot of time coaxing folks through the same scenarios...night after night after night. We would go into private messags..."here we go again", but because someone had taken the time to help & support us...when we were newbies...there was an obligation by us (all the good folks in chat-and on the threads) to repay the favor.

Now I wonder how many hours we were "supporting" a fakie as opposed to a newbie.

I know that there are folks at KK that are real. lots of them. I know the folks that I "hung" with are real....and by the way...we have found an altnerative way to get together and I expect that I will see many of my buddies there. I know some of my buddies have gotten to goal on KK and are maintaining....I know they are real people.

What I'm curious about...is how many "fakies" are there. I know the number that I was told that was confirmed is more than the folks that I can name that are real.

It's kinda mind boggling...not sure why I"m fixated on it right now, but I am...Were we really out their helping a "newbie" that was a "fakie" Just for the purpose of "tricking" each other into the belief that the site was growing everyday. That newbies were joining everyday. The support was real, but it looks like Heidi needed us to know the support was real (like we didn't already), and convince us that there were others to be helped everyday. Our jobs were never done it seemed. And, she was able to successfully convince us of that without ever PM'ing us about it, or showing up herself, but by showing up as a "fakie" looking for help.

One little thing that I am doing to help myself keep it straight in my mind...Heidi will always be Heidi to me from this day forther. Not Kimmer or anything other than Heidi..reason being....that's her name. Not going refer to her as any of her alias's anymore. I have no problem with people using craft screen names. I like many of them. But I do have people using fake screen names for fake and malicious purposes.

Just something that I was thinking about.

BTW--obviously Carly, DonnaD, and I...are not the fake persona's of Heidi.

[SMP]

Originally Posted by DonnaD

...

Carolyn, it's my oldest sons wedding and it's Aug 2. Not much time to lose weight so that added to that desperate feeling. But I've never done this just to look better. My mom died at 49 from a multitude of things related to her weight, heart disease, diabetes, high chol., HBP and I'm 48 and we are waiting for the arrival of our first grandchild and I want to here longer than my mom was.

Donna, I'll adapt the Hippocratic oath to your situation - Noli Nocere. First, do no harm. When health is your goal, the arrival of big events like weddings , birthdays, anniversaries and school reunions are non-events. They simply don't matter. KK is harmful by every definition, including rapid weight loss. Atkins can be tweaked to be unhealthful when weight loss is the only objective, but an unbiased reading of DANDR will reveal DR. A's concern for longterm maintainable results. As he remarked, he couldn't have stayed in business as a cardiologist if his patients had been dropping like flies. The AMA would have shut him down in a flash.

So, it's hard to have your own opinion, esp if it feels like swimming upstream against a Niagara of mainstream medical opinion, but the PROOF is out there. And now, in here as well. Learn to trust your own research. I did. When my Dad gave me advice on how to treat ulcers, I saw how he had lost 2/3's of his stomach following doc's advice - and rejected it. That's how I found h.Pylori and finally rid myself of ulcers. Don't think the Doc didn't ream me out, either, because he did.

What it boils down to is, do your homework, then grow a backbone. (Another term for deeply-held convictions!) Then you'll be better about doing what needs to be done. Best wishes, Donna.

[mrsmenopausal]

Originally Posted by Magicsmom

I'm glad you said it can be an appetite stimulant. Both my DH and I find that if we don't eat before our morning coffee, our appetite is killed and we can't eat. So for some of us, it's not a stimulant, it's the opposite.

I used to love my caffeine. Raising 4 kids it sure did come in handy. Giving it up made me sick as a dog for several days. I do mean sick. ick. I did feel much better afterwards, though. I drank a lot of it back then. I didn't seem as hungry but I also was following a new WOE so I don't know which was causing the lessened appetite for me.
I haven't looked into the effects of caffeine in quite a while.

[jo2621]

Originally Posted by DEEDLYNN

Something is bothering me...(well...more than the other things that are bothering me).

I have been told...by a very reputable source, that it has been proven that there are numerous confirmed false active profiles on the KK site. Meaning, likely that Heidi has made up profiles...likely to make the site look busier than it is...or to lurk in chat, etc...without being recognized as Heidi...(she likes her privacy ya know.)

Anyway....when I thought about that...I thought about the many folks that came into chat and talked with us. We took a lot of time coaxing folks through the same scenarios...night after night after night. We would go into private messags..."here we go again", but because someone had taken the time to help & support us...when we were newbies...there was an obligation by us (all the good folks in chat-and on the threads) to repay the favor.

Now I wonder how many hours we were "supporting" a fakie as opposed to a newbie.

I know that there are folks at KK that are real. lots of them. I know the folks that I "hung" with are real....and by the way...we have found an altnerative way to get together and I expect that I will see many of my buddies there. I know some of my buddies have gotten to goal on KK and are maintaining....I know they are real people.

What I'm curious about...is how many "fakies" are there. I know the number that I was told that was confirmed is more than the folks that I can name that are real.

It's kinda mind boggling...not sure why I"m fixated on it right now, but I am...Were we really out their helping a "newbie" that was a "fakie" Just for the purpose of "tricking" each other into the belief that the site was growing everyday. That newbies were joining everyday. The support was real, but it looks like Heidi needed us to know the support was real (like we didn't already), and convince us that there were others to be helped everyday. Our jobs were never done it seemed. And, she was able to successfully convince us of that without ever PM'ing us about it, or showing up herself, but by showing up as a "fakie" looking for help.

One little thing that I am doing to help myself keep it straight in my mind...Heidi will always be Heidi to me from this day forther. Not Kimmer or anything other than Heidi..reason being....that's her name. Not going refer to her as any of her alias's anymore. I have no problem with people using craft screen names. I like many of them. But I do have people using fake screen names for fake and malicious purposes.

Just something that I was thinking about.

BTW--obviously Carly, DonnaD, and I...are not the fake persona's of Heidi.

Sock puppetry at its finest!

I had some posts answered by a new admin back in the fall...I started to wonder just what was going on when she had said one thing to me in one post and then the next day said something totally opposite to someone else. Yep you guessed it...it was Heidi. It was proven.

That why some have been suspect of "Gary". Sure he was real at one time last summer but with no proof of goal or maintenence photos and some of the answers he gave were so questionable that a lot of us at one time thought he was a sock too.

[DEEDLYNN]

I think at one time there was a pic of Gary out there...I think.

[Barbara B]

Originally Posted by Magicsmom

Free is what her advice is worth. I don't want weight loss advice from someone who weighs a good 50 pounds more than I do, and that is predicated on believing her last weight report. Not that I believe her about anything, mind you, but the point is that even if she's telling the truth, she could probably learn a thing or two from me. I don't need her input, free or otherwise.




I think Dr. Atkins didn't want you to have it. I'm not giving it up, though.



I agree that this looks better than yesterday, and if you use heavy cream with vanilla Torani or DaVinci syrup, your coffee will be just as tasty and better for you.



I'm glad you said it can be an appetite stimulant. Both my DH and I find that if we don't eat before our morning coffee, our appetite is killed and we can't eat. So for some of us, it's not a stimulant, it's the opposite.

It's not a stimulant for me either. I don't like having any food with my coffee. I have my coffee first - 3 cups, usually at 6 a.m. and I don't feel like eating breakfast until 9:30 sometimes.

[CarolynF]

Originally Posted by DonnaD

Carly..... I think I love you...so what am I so afraid of...not Brady Bunch..David Cassidy on the Patridge Family. I was sooo in love with him.



I tried Atkins but must have been doing something wrong, started to feel like fat was coming out of my pours and I plateau'd quickly. (oh yeah and the caffeine thing and the nitrites, like in turkey pepperoni) those are tough to give up. Coffee is a biggie.

I need to read again and research. But then it seems the mind is constantly on food. Sometimes it's nice not to think about it so much.

Why is this soooo hard....

This is my personal experience with Atkins..All things in moderation. Some peeps start Atkins and eat too much food (been there, done that). Ketosis is the key to being satisfied with "better" food and not having blood sugars go up and down. If fat was coming out of your pores..(LOL), you were probably
eating too much of it. A good percentage is 15 percent carbs/25 percent protein/60 percent fat.

Another thing is only eat when you are hungry and stop when you are full (not stuffed). But, don't go more than 5 hours without eating something or you will slow down your metabolism..Not good. Your "energy" should come from "fat"..dietary and body fat..not "protein". That is the fatal flaw in KK. Getting your energy from "protein" is not healthy at all..A lowcarb diet should provide enough fat to energize your body..

And, you know..I started Atkins in January 2002 before my dd was getting married in June. I was 53 and I didn't lose all my weight, but I sure looked alot better than I did in January. Best of luck.

[jo2621]

Originally Posted by DEEDLYNN

I think at one time there was a pic of Gary out there...I think.

There was for a while during the summer and he took them all off his siggy. He says he lost what 106 pounds and has kept it off, but it's like Heidi's sister snd so many others...no credible evidence.

[Barbara B]

From the KK site. (someone passed this on to me)

This gem is going unnoticed at KK-------

From Kimmer to Tiff in a thread Kimmer started about over eating being linked to a gene.



LOL, yeah! I was thinking the same thing because I have an obsessive streak.

With events yesterday I was wondering whether people who are overweight also have impulse control disorders, or is it simply a matter of willpower? I mean, whether we actually "can't" stop reaching for food on impulse (or sending nasty emails without thinking it through first), is part of consistently making poor choices ... food or otherwise ... something normal weight people do much easier?

I totally believe that addictive personality comes in all forms: addicted to food, shopping, internet, smoking, gambling, drinking or video games. It seems people with one addiction have others. Hmmm, need to find out more.

Tiff, one thing for sure ... we're not alone.

Dee, do you think she was referring to you?

[M.Dove]

Originally Posted by CarolynF

A good percentage is 15 percent carbs/25 percent protein/60 percent fat.

Carolyn, Would you give an example of a typical day's menu with those percentages?

Thank you!

[gibster]

Dee, another good source of LC recipes is Linda Sue's Low Carb Recipes.

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by DEEDLYNN

Something is bothering me...(well...more than the other things that are bothering me).

I have been told...by a very reputable source, that it has been proven that there are numerous confirmed false active profiles on the KK site. Meaning, likely that Heidi has made up profiles...likely to make the site look busier than it is...or to lurk in chat, etc...without being recognized as Heidi...(she likes her privacy ya know.)

Anyway....when I thought about that...I thought about the many folks that came into chat and talked with us. We took a lot of time coaxing folks through the same scenarios...night after night after night. We would go into private messags..."here we go again", but because someone had taken the time to help & support us...when we were newbies...there was an obligation by us (all the good folks in chat-and on the threads) to repay the favor.

Now I wonder how many hours we were "supporting" a fakie as opposed to a newbie.

I know that there are folks at KK that are real. lots of them. I know the folks that I "hung" with are real....and by the way...we have found an altnerative way to get together and I expect that I will see many of my buddies there. I know some of my buddies have gotten to goal on KK and are maintaining....I know they are real people.

What I'm curious about...is how many "fakies" are there. I know the number that I was told that was confirmed is more than the folks that I can name that are real.

It's kinda mind boggling...not sure why I"m fixated on it right now, but I am...Were we really out their helping a "newbie" that was a "fakie" Just for the purpose of "tricking" each other into the belief that the site was growing everyday. That newbies were joining everyday. The support was real, but it looks like Heidi needed us to know the support was real (like we didn't already), and convince us that there were others to be helped everyday. Our jobs were never done it seemed. And, she was able to successfully convince us of that without ever PM'ing us about it, or showing up herself, but by showing up as a "fakie" looking for help.

One little thing that I am doing to help myself keep it straight in my mind...Heidi will always be Heidi to me from this day forther. Not Kimmer or anything other than Heidi..reason being....that's her name. Not going refer to her as any of her alias's anymore. I have no problem with people using craft screen names. I like many of them. But I do have people using fake screen names for fake and malicious purposes.

Just something that I was thinking about.

BTW--obviously Carly, DonnaD, and I...are not the fake persona's of Heidi.

We have been sure for a long time that there are fake profiles on the KK board. We call them sock puppets. For a while it was believed Gary was one, but I don't believe that. I think he's real. He visits my blog several times a day, even though I only update it about once a week, if that. I'm sure making the rounds on the blogs is part of his job description.

I think you are just at the beginning of realizing how much deception there is at KK. There is nothing you can trust there. There's no way to know who or what is real.

[Nady]

Originally Posted by Barbara B

From the KK site. (someone passed this on to me)

This gem is going unnoticed at KK-------



Dee, do you think she was referring to you?

Maybe she was refering to herself~ she's mighty good at being nasty~
~~~N

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by CarolynF

...[...]... Your "energy" should come from "fat"..dietary and body fat..not "protein". That is the fatal flaw in KK. Getting your energy from "protein" is not healthy at all..A lowcarb diet should provide enough fat to energize your body..[...]..

Good point Carolyn. I think overcoming the mindset of eating lean protein as the replacement for carbohydrates is so difficult when leaving kimkins.
Here is an article that states why LEAN protein is not the ideal replacement for carbohydrates in the diet.

Why Low-Carb Diets Must Be High-Fat, Not High-Protein

Excerpt:

Introduction

We now know that we should eat a diet that is low in carbohydrates. But a plethora of books published in the last decade have been low-carb, high-protein, or low-carb, high-fat, or low-carb, high-'good'-fats, or all sorts of other mixtures. In other words, the real confusion lies in what we should replace the carbohydrates with: for example, should it be protein or fats? And if fats, what sort of fats? This article, I hope, will answer the question and put any doubts out of your mind. In a nutshell, carbs should be replaced with fats, and those fats should be mainly from animal sources.

Our bodies use carbs for only one purpose: to provide energy. When we cut down on carbs, the energy our bodies need has to come from somewhere else.

There are only two choices: Protein or fat.

[Nady]

Originally Posted by DEEDLYNN

I have been told...by a very reputable source, that it has been proven that there are numerous confirmed false active profiles on the KK site. Meaning, likely that Heidi has made up profiles...likely to make the site look busier than it is...or to lurk in chat, etc...without being recognized as Heidi...(she likes her privacy ya know.)

She also hijacks profiles of the banned~ which is why I made the comment on *Dee* still posting after being banned~ Check with your friends there and see if you're still 'there'
~~~N