Why the fascination with Kimmer? #17

[Sherrie_lc]

Originally Posted by thetruthinhiding

Sherrie,
It took some time, believe me, but I finally got a squirrel into a box, and I'm dropping it in the mail to you tomorrow.

hehe cool!

[Sherrie_lc]

Originally Posted by Carly07

Sherri.. where the heck do you live you have never seen a squirrel in the wild???

Carly, I live in Australia

[Sherrie_lc]

[quote=Carly07;10326651]Babe.. I c and p your post so I can answer each question. I will put a heart in front of my answers.

What I'm wondering is - why are you eating so little?
I eat what the numbers I was advised via the diet to go by.

That has been our argument all along, thanks for confirming

Especially with strenuous exercise! Were there parts of the diet plan that made you think that was OK, or were you encouraged to go lower by people at the site?
No one has ever told me to go any lower.. actually I have been told I need to up my numbers. I tried.. I gained. Even with the exercise. but I think that is also my fault because when I upped them I found I was eating and grazing .. not a good idea

If you posted what you ate today there, would anyone tell you that you should have cut something out?
I did post what I ate today.. in chat in a discussion not in a forum I stink at posting to forums ask anyone there I can't stick to them for the life of me.. even my own. I was not told to cut anything out I was told I needed to up my calories. I can't find a way to up calories without throwing everything else out of whack.

I'd link to think that, that is through our efforts that some are advising you to eat more. My hunch is the reason you're grazing is because your upping calories through lean proteins, try upping them through fat.

Were you ever asked if you were having 'potty problems'?
Nope.. never not once that I remember. hhmm wait I had issues way way back when I first started cause I was doing all meat but it didn't last long.. I happen to be more than regular. I think it was cutting the fiber out so.. I think it well didn't let things move as smoothly but didn't need any help fixing it.. I threw in some lettuce worked like a charm. I found the KE did not work for me.

Carly with your potty changing is it just normal? it hasn't gone from constipation to the other end of the scale has it?

[Sherrie_lc]

Originally Posted by Carly07

they lose their hair after quitting??? Did I misread something in there?

Not sure.. about the 4 week thing.. just not sure. As I said... I had tramatic things happen every 4 weeks.

Yes, it takes so long from when your hair actually stops growing to when it falls out, Dr Eades explained it here: Health & Nutrition by Michael R. Eades, M.D. » Hair loss and Kimkins

[Sherrie_lc]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

Kaly- My hair loss was about 60 days to the date of stopping Kimkins. I have those little hairs poking up too and they seem to be at the hairline framing my face...cute huh?
I find that when I pull my hair back I am having to slick down all the little hairs poking up. The look is a cross between a porcupine and someone who has just rubbed a balloon over their head and got all this static electricity going.

Magic- I hear you and yep SL did say it was a small price to pay.

Well, I think it is one of the *smaller* prices she is paying by staying on kimkins. I mean compared to the risk of cardiac arrest, permanent thyroid damage, muscle loss...etc.
But I also think SL may not be viewing the hair loss as a small price when she realizes that the worse hair loss is to come.

When I was one big hormonal mess my hair used to fall out in a monthly pattern somehow in tune with my cycles. I already have fine hair so it was not fun and I remember there would be one time during the month where the part in my hair was so wide. I was glad when the spikes would stick right out because it wouldn't be so noticeable. That might sound weird but no joke there was a monthly pattern to it.

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by Kaly

HoneyBee - I see a lot of little hairs framing my face too. It is so annoying. I have one big patch of new growth right at the front where I part my hair. Think Cameron Diaz from There's Something about Mary only I don't need the"help". LOL

I love that movie! But I don't recommend Mary's hair mousse.

Originally Posted by Katinsac

Honey, you are tooo funny...yeah, I got that "little hair" problem too when I pull my hair back. Because my hair is long....I guess it is going to be a looooong time before those little ones catch up with the rest, lol.

Guess Dee is reading her DANDR book...don't think she came back today, did she? Wonder what the lie was...lol Just one of my pet peeves as I am honest to a fault!

Light bulb moment for me- lol-
I wonder if that is why SL cut her hair. Remember how she use to have the really long hair and had worn it that way, I thought she said, for some time now? She then suddenly cut her hair to shoulder length and now it occurred to me that it could have been necessary due to the hair loss.

No Dee didn't come back to tell us about the lie she mentioned. I guess she is still on her whirlwind internet tour talking with Jimmy Moore, Christin, Deni and reading all the diet books.
But it is incredible that she hasn't been banned from KK yet.

[DEEDLYNN]

Sherri--Sorry that you don't appreciate my humor...sorry if it's annoying...it's decompression for me. Also, please note that the first post about me in #16 is more than a week before I "entered" the picture. No I was not lurking. No I didn't google it and find it until the day that I "entered" the picture. Naive about the whole thing. yes, looks like I was....STUPID (not that anyone said I was), I'm guessing that we will soon see that Dee is not STUPID. I really doubt Sherri that you will need to worry about my ill placed humor, as when my work here is done, I will likely move my butt back over to another thread to get back to the business of losing weight. No offense intended, but there's a little too much aggression here for my taste....but hope to see y'all in the weight loss threads.

Intoxicated wtih the attention within KK...sure was. Expecting what I saw outside KK. No. I perceived the two before me as weak if you want to know the honest truth. What I was hearing was that they were being contacted by outsiders, not that they "googled" their name and found things. I was told that people were seeking them out. So...I sat back and waited...no one sought me out. No one PM'd or emailed me. I came out here because of a link to Amy's blog. It snowballed from there. Period End.

As far as John Tiedt and me. I have every confidence that he's not looking at me as a perpetuator (sp) of fraud. EVERY CONFIDENCE.

KAT--thanks for seeing the humor. I like inserted humor....we could all use a little more of it.

Whoever was asking if I had been in today...yes I was in earlier...but tonight I was with my favorite man....hearing him sing at a local bar. Anytime I can see him....he wins trumps down over hanging out on the internet.

BTW...has CB been in today. I told one person at KK in a PM that I was likely going to be banned and gave her my email address. Today I got a PM from Heidi, saying that she got a PM saying that I was getting banned and wanted to know why?

So, either 1) CB is hearing me talk about being banned in here; 2) My friend at KK wrote to Kimmer (I doubt); or 3) Kimmer read the PM to my friend. In any event, I have no intentions of breaking my TOS, but I'd be willing to bet that I'm gonna be banned. I guess we will see. As of right now, I am not.

[Brimstone]

Originally Posted by Sherrie_lc

Carly, I live in Australia

No squirrels here in NZ either

[Sherrie_lc]

Dee I have a good sense of humour, thats not what I mean and thats why I said it was not anything personal

Its the suspense building posts that seem to be on every page lately, yours was just the most recent. e.g. I lied here about something, stay tuned will tell you next week etc...

I don't really care if you lied Dee I can understand your automatically being on the defense here so that doesn't bother me, and I can't think of the lie being really bad or anything. It is just that you tell us you did but don't explain.

[DEEDLYNN]

Sherri....I guess initially I was explaining that I have been truthful out here, but I knew that I was going to be revealing a single lie in the next few days. So when I was defending my credibility in the original post...I wanted to admit that I told 1 lie, but I didn't want to reveal it.

Kat then came back and said...wouldn't it help if you told what the lie was. It was then that I decided to do the little "suspense building" for fun. In all likelihood, under the circumstances, it may have been in poor taste...or maybe just should have been avoided. But that is Dee's personality peeking through.

I do see what you are saying though. The only thing I can say is...timing is everything. I have some "ducks" to get in a row. Then I will say everything I need to say.

Thanks,
Dee

[Tooter]

Originally Posted by Sherrie_lc

Plus the longer you restrict calories the more your body adapts, thats why I don't see the sense in going into a diet with all guns blazing (e.g. large calorie deficit and/or large amounts of exercise) when you have a long journey ahead of you. Why get a body used to 500 calories a day straight of the bat (let alone ever!) when you have say 200+ pounds to lose?

As an example and yeah I know I am always using them, but there is a lot to learn from them in regards to optimal weight loss. Bodybuilders generally give themselves 12 weeks for a weight loss phase because they are aware of our bodies adaption. Not only that, they gradually taper down their calories and gradually increase their cardio. Now they even go one step further and they mix up their calories and carbs on a daily basis in order to slow down the adaption process. People say that obese people are more protected in regards to weight loss as far as muscle is concerned and whilst that is true to a degree, when you're comparing them to already lean people... it doesn't stop their bodies from adapting. What the heck do you do when you adapt to say even 1000 calories a day and you're still 200+ pounds?

Exercise is the same thing, the fitter or stronger we get the more we adapt to the exercise we are doing and thus the less effect it has.

Sherri, this is SOooooooooooo True. I know it's hard for people to wrap their brains around (because we have been told different for so long). I have really found all of what you said, in your post, to be true.

[Tooter]

Originally Posted by TerryC

Dee - I'm glad to see you are on a journey for yourself now and I hope it turns out well for you. I know the path that everyone here wants you to take and I hope you do take it, but you have to take it for yourself. There are many people here that can and will help you, as you are finding out.

I hope everyone here can agree that there were many misconceptions and negative posts on all sides when Dee first came here but we have thankfully all moved passed that to the stage where we are helping her find her way.

ITA!

[Tooter]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

Kaly- My hair loss was about 60 days to the date of stopping Kimkins. I have those little hairs poking up too and they seem to be at the hairline framing my face...cute huh?
I find that when I pull my hair back I am having to slick down all the little hairs poking up. The look is a cross between a porcupine and someone who has just rubbed a balloon over their head and got all this static electricity going.

Magic- I hear you and yep SL did say it was a small price to pay.

Well, I think it is one of the *smaller* prices she is paying by staying on kimkins. I mean compared to the risk of cardiac arrest, permanent thyroid damage, muscle loss...etc.
But I also think SL may not be viewing the hair loss as a small price when she realizes that the worse hair loss is to come.

OMG, I never even thought about that. If she has lost this much NOW, what's going to happen later!

[Barbara B]

Originally Posted by Tooter

I have read Medusa's blog and she has a real concern for people with ED (not Bob dole in a boat--lol) I did feel she had a true concern for the girl...But if I were Dee, trying to figure out who is real and who wasn't and all the other stuff going on...I sure would feel like I got the raw in the deal being posted about like that before I had time to figure things out and answer. That was my point.

Again, I guess we just don't see things the same way.

I have to agree. It cannot be easy working full time, talking personally with the major figures in the scam, reading up on Atkins, checking out the blogs, videos, etc., answering everyone's questions, and worrying about being banned. Then, BAM, she was blogged about at Medusa's. I read Medusa's blog all the time, and does a lot of good getting info out about EDs, but I don't always agree with her tactics. As, for instance, her blog about calling Morgan Mac out over Yucky.

[Amyb1569]

Dee,
To answer your above post. I have a feeling that every possible answer you gave that involved Heidi and the banning is true.
I have decided and told you that I am taking a step back with you and your decision to stay or leave KK. In truth you are one of many , too many ladies that want and need help. Everything that could be said to you has been...and now it is your decision to be made. Being on the fence will get uncomfortable sooner then not.
I will say this one more time. I have a very strong feeling that something is off here. Am I saying you are lying. No. Of course you did post you had lied and said you were going to share and never did. I am curious why you would post a big lead up like that and not follow through. But then again that is your decision. I am taking my big well advised step back.
There is something odd here. In the normal exchange with Heidi. ( Is there such a thing) There is NO WAY that Heidi Diaz would stand by and allow you to do and say what you are. There is NO WAY she would PM YOU and ask you WHY you thought you would be banned. Who are we kidding here. You have shoved it in her face that you have talked to everyone of her biggest KK enemies. As I said before..I was banned for mentioning having lunch with him while visiting his hometown I was born in.
There is some reason Heidi Diaz is not acting on your public saying you have talked to Christian and Jimmy Moore. So if you are not involved in why she is not banning you. Then I would beware..cause she is using you for something.
AS I said before...you can stay or go. You know the truth now. You went and searched out your information. That is always a wise decision. Knowledge is power in life. What we do with it..that is the hard part.

[OhYeahBabe]

Some recent blog posts. Sorry if any have been posted before.

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EZ Lowcarb (this isn't really new, but it has good info for those transitioning away from Kimkins)
Kimorexia: Worth Repeating - Don't Call it Kimkins if it's NOT
Kimorexia: A Trip Down Memory Lane
Kimorexia: Kimkins Lawsuit Gets Personal
Living Lowcarb and Loving It: I Made a Difference for That One
The Lighter Side of Lowcarb: You've Seen It Here First, Folks
Pinch of Health: Low Carb Chocolate Pecan Brownies
Prudentia: Calling CrispyBread and Kimkinite101
Vickie's Voice: The Sisterhood

[Tooter]

Originally Posted by Barbara B

I have to agree. It cannot be easy working full time, talking personally with the major figures in the scam, reading up on Atkins, checking out the blogs, videos, etc., answering everyone's questions, and worrying about being banned. Then, BAM, she was blogged about at Medusa's. I read Medusa's blog all the time, and does a lot of good getting info out about EDs, but I don't always agree with her tactics. As, for instance, her blog about calling Morgan Mac out over Yucky.

I agree.

[mrsmenopausal]

Trying to catch up.

about the chipmunk ordeal. ack! I have a basset hound, Lola. She must be related to your cat. She chases them constantly and one day I heard my son yelling, "Drop it! Drop it, Lola!" Ran out to find her just trotting around the yard with one in her mouth, head out one side, hind legs out the other. She didn't hurt it, was just carrying it around with her. She was not happy that we made her let it go. The worst thing we've had in the house was a bat. ewwww, I still shiver thinking about that one. ick. Lola was not the cause of that one. lol

Concerning Medusa's post, I can assure you she is truly concerned for the welfare of the girl at KK. It's not the first time she has asked others to step in, in order to get help for someone in that situation. Eating disorders are a major concern of Medusa's. Her blog is a great resource of ED information.

My take on the questions being asked of Dee is the why not end of it. I don't think that qualifying what you're responding to by c and p, answering questions head on following a c and p is too much to ask. It makes for clearer communication and less confusion. I think the questions being asked are fair taking into consideration Dee's statements, position at KK, initial posts here, etc. I don't see it as uncalled for, harassing, or as an attack. Asking questions, delving beyond the surface is what this entire thing has been about and why there has been so much uncovered, and so many who have come to realize the truth. I think Dee can handle it.

I can understand the frustration of those asking and wanting answers because that's how I felt when she wasn't answering what I asked, head on. I decided to step away from that frustration for my own sake but I certainly understand those that don't need to and want answers. I think those answers are important.

I can also sympathize with what Dee must be going through right now. It's a lot to take in and sort through. From what I've witnessed I now think she's honestly gathering information and weighing that new information with what she thought she knew to be true. I hope that she's seeing what a danger KK WOE is and makes the choice to be safe and healthy.

As for the hair loss. I lost a ton. Hand fulls. Both my GP and the endocrinologist said it was due to malnutrition. It was falling out for several months. I had long hair and had to cut it to above my collar. It's now past my shoulders but thin, you can see my scalp through my hair all over my head. I use dark eyeshadow on my scalp along my hairline to disguise it. I'm only seeing regrowth in some places. Many are showing no signs of it (yet?). I hope that changes soon. It's approximately 8 months since I left KK.

Sorry, I didn't mean for this to be so long.

[DEEDLYNN]

AmyB....your exactly right. I do believe that there is a reason that she hasn't banned me yet. And I think I know why that is. I'm guessing that when you find out what I lied about and why I lied about it, you'll draw the same conclusion I have, as to why I haven't been banned already.

I wrote just a couple posts ago, that I really shouldn't have said I lied, until I was ready to say what it was about.

In my original post, where I said I lied, I was trying to point out that no one has found anything out here that I have said, that was a lie. I should have some credibility right now. In saying that, I knew that I would shortly be telling everyone that I lied about something, so I wanted to point it out.....so that when I did reveal it....everyone didn't stand back....gasp...pointing fingers and saying...."see she lied". It's turning into be a d*$(#*% if you do and d$*(*# if you don't situation.

I also shouldn't have done the "teaser" with Kat. Again, that's just my personality (Dee's personality if you are looking for style writing differences), peeking through, that is vintage Dee.

I also said...timing is everything. There is a method to my madness. If you can't trust anything else....trust that.

Sorry if that's too evasive for a lot of folks, but I think along with having proven my credibility, I have also proven that I am someone who is.....what was the word....."stubborn".....(trying to make you smile AMYB).

Give me a few....if not before, you will definitely know by Monday night. (And trust me....it's not really worth all the suspense.).

[DEEDLYNN]

(Online)
Plucked a Flower
Kimmer Kimmer

wrote...
Hi Dee,

I don't know what's going on. I got another email this morning from the anti-KK bragging they "plucked a flower" from Kimkins. I have no idea what they were talking about, but you didn't answer my PM so I guess they mean you. They said the same thing when they got Laurala. Or it could be someone else, Medusa is always emailing KK members (especially the 100 pound losers).

Dee, it's OK. I knew you would be leaving KK when I read your success story. It was so touching and heartfelt I almost cried (and I read these stories all the time). How lonely you've been for so many years. Thinking no one would want you. I knew it wouldn't be long before they got to you.

What's important is that you continue feeling good about yourself. I don't know what "plucking a flower" means, but if it makes you feel like a better person then you need to do it.

I wish you the very best. Look at yourself in the mirror. You look so good (that's why they worked so hard to get you away from KK). When my sister got the newsletter she actually called me to ask "Is that really the same person? She looks fantastic!"

Don't let them chip away at your self-esteem. Believe in yourself!

[mrsmenopausal]

I just wanted to say that the attitude that losing a bit of hair is not a big deal/trade off for the weight loss is very misleading. Hair loss is a huge sign of malnutrition which means your hair loss is not the only thing going on, very likely not the only damage. Also, when you stop starving yourself the weight loss that was supposedly the big reward that lessens the importance of the hair loss is unsustainable. You either struggle finding a healthy way to keep it off with extreme difficulty and weight gain, gain a good portion back, or gain it all back and more.

I agree that success is not in the loss as much as it is in the maintenance of that loss and the healthiness of that loss.