Why the fascination with Kimmer? #17

[Tooter]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

I guess I will not get how it is different then, because I don't.
I asked Dee for a reference, quote of a post - no different than we have asked for facts on other's comments in a post.

If someone says that Kimkins is *not* lean meat- don't we provide quotes from Kimmer, screen shots, etc...to back up why we said such things in our posts.
We don't get by with google "kimkins- lean meat" I know I read it somewhere.

I don't know who is baiting her nor do I know on how many websites.
You asked that like I know. If you know then you are ahead of me on that one.
I do know I am not baiting her, I don't know if you meant me, but I will say that my questions have been direct and consistent since Dee first started posting here.

But you see Tooter, this is what I am getting at. Your statement about baiting Dee or her not knowing who is friend or foe... It comes off as it is better to question others motive's and call them baiting than to question Dee's. And I imagine the friend or foe issue is not a concern that only Dee has either. Another reason I don't see the situation all that unique or different.

But I guess the mystery post is with Jimmy Hoffa somewhere and if I find the locations of either one I'll let y'all know.

I guess we just don't see things the same way.

[Nady]

Originally Posted by This time

I wish they had the little toe tapping man

Here's one~


~~~N

[This time]

Originally Posted by Nady

Here's one~


~~~N

[Tooter]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

Oh and in regards to Medusa posting things about her-
If you are referring to the blog post from Medusa yesterday then I think it was more about her concern for the 17y.o girl and "I think she was just desperate to get this girl some help", like you had said yesterday.
If it is a new post then I haven't read it.

I have read Medusa's blog and she has a real concern for people with ED (not Bob dole in a boat--lol) I did feel she had a true concern for the girl...But if I were Dee, trying to figure out who is real and who wasn't and all the other stuff going on...I sure would feel like I got the raw in the deal being posted about like that before I had time to figure things out and answer. That was my point.

Again, I guess we just don't see things the same way.

[NancyElle]

Originally Posted by This time

Hey Vickie, Hey NancyElle oops didn't see you MissMerize

Hi everyone! Will be popping in and out for a bit. Then, hope to join you late night!

Originally Posted by la.lady

Boy I hope so, Oh Dear, I couldn't have imagined what I would have said to set that off.
Thanks...

No, sweetheart, it wasn't you. Glad I could clear that up!

Originally Posted by This time

I hope not

You kill me, girl!

[DEEDLYNN]

Patty--no it was the Patti on Home page.
Vernswifevickie--TY very much. I really appreciate it.
Honeybee--yes my response to you was in response to your response to Tooter about me....(did that make any sense at all? )

[Sherrie_lc]

Originally Posted by Tooter

Mom, please forgive me for laughing.

Years ago, Hubby and I lived in an apartment. The cupboard over the stove had a vent in it (for the stove). We kept cereal boxes in there (It was pre-low carb). Anyways, I opened the cupboard and there was a squirrel sitting there next to the cereal. He must have gotten in through the vent. I slammed the cupboard shut and Screamed. It scared the crap out of me. Hubby went and got a baseball glove, hockey mask and a broom. He had me open the door and then open the cupboard. LMAO We did, end up getting the squirrel out...but it was like some crazy comedy routine.

I feel for ya.

ROFLMAO Having never seen a squirrel outside of a zoo, I'd love to see that

[Sherrie_lc]

Originally Posted by Carly07

Mom.. I suggest SITTING no the box and if you start to hear scratching you better get a broom or something.. cause it is coming out of that box.. quick.. seriously.. a paper box is NOT going to hold that thing.

Kat.. I am on a MAC>> all I did was open it page by page.. Edit. Select All. Edit Copy then in word.. Edit paste.. it only gave me text..

I reckon, depending on what point you start at, if you highlight the pages with your mouse you will get some of the formatting to keep it all neat and tidy.

[DEEDLYNN]

Kat....sorry about the teaser about the lie. (not really--got some interest by one...you...LOL). Timing is everything. The lie is really not going to be that big of a deal to some, but likely will be huge to others. CB may want to check in that day. But...if I keep taking the bait....I'm gonna get BANNED. Now...I'm telling ya...I'm gonna get BANNED.
Next week on.....FWK thread #17--DEEDLYNN reveals a lie that devastates, invigorates, intoxicates and leaves some speechless. (LOL--not really, but sounded good...new career for DEEDLYNN...screenwriter for One Life to Live).

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by Tooter

I have read Medusa's blog and she has a real concern for people with ED (not Bob dole in a boat--lol) I did feel she had a true concern for the girl...But if I were Dee, trying to figure out who is real and who wasn't and all the other stuff going on...I sure would feel like I got the raw in the deal being posted about like that before I had time to figure things out and answer. That was my point.

Again, I guess we just don't see things the same way.

That is ok, not to see things the same way, because we aren't a "pack" like we have been labeled or like Heidi would have others believe. We are individuals with different perspectives.

[Sherrie_lc]

Originally Posted by 2big4mysize

LOL did you know Bill Phillips the BFL guy actually says to exercise when you get up. According to his autobiography his feet hit the floor and he is exercising on an empty stomach.
Since I got to wait that hour after taking my thyroid meds too I had buit in exercise time too.

That advice though is going on the premise that by exercising in the morning before meals is optimal because you are in a fat burning state due to the overnight fast. But on low carb diets like Atkins, we are in a fat burning state 24/7 so what does it matter?

[This time]

HoneyBee2 i love the "Heidi Diaz is a quasi-diabetic.............. now everyone knows that lint has carbs and cals in it, it's a no no on the kk food list

[Carly07]

Dee.. email... yahoo.

Number got over 700.. 50 g of FAT.. yikes.. 15 carb 51 protein..

I liked the chicken salad I made for lunch I had it for dinner too. My protein is still low but it is too late to add anything extra in tonight,

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by This time

HoneyBee2 i love the "Heidi Diaz is a quasi-diabetic.............. now everyone knows that lint has carbs and cals in it, it's a no no on the kk food list

Lint was there at one time. But they took lint off the acceptable food list, because the fiber was driving the carb count up and y'all know heidi doesn't allow subtraction for fiber carbs.

[Sherrie_lc]

Originally Posted by Barbara B

Lauren - thanks for these reminders. I have read Lyle McDonald's book, The Ketogenic Diet, where he talks about leptin, and another book specifically about Leptin (don't remember the name). I remember it had a list of things to do in order to lose weight and encourage fat burning. One of the things was letting 5 or 6 hours pass between meals.

OK, I just found the title at Amazon.


Mastering Leptin: The Leptin Diet, Solving Obesity and Preventing Disease, Second Edition by Byron J. Richards and Mary Guignon Richards (Also noticed this booK: The Fat Resistance Diet: Unlock the Secret of the Hormone Leptin to: Eliminate Cravings, Supercharge Your Metabolism, Fight Inflammation, Lose Weight & Reprogram Your Body to Stay Thin-

I'm putting them both on my wish list. Currently reading Barry Groves' Natural and Healthy Weight Loss.

I have that book but not read it yet, I bought it ages ago when I bought some Weston A Price books from Amazon (being in another country I order them in big lots rather then individually) but I have had a hard time finding enough quiet time reading them with my little one about

I wrote a post once explaining refeeding for some people that asked about it, in there was some really good articles on leptin that I used when I did my refeeds in 2002. They are old articles and there has been more research since but they are good reference articles and a good place to start. Let me know if you need

[This time]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

Lint was there at one time. But they took lint off the acceptable food list, because the fiber was driving the carb count up and y'all know heidi doesn't allow subtraction for fiber carbs.

I rate that at a 3 Hysterical score

[Katinsac]

Originally Posted by DEEDLYNN

Kat....sorry about the teaser about the lie. (not really--got some interest by one...you...LOL). Timing is everything. The lie is really not going to be that big of a deal to some, but likely will be huge to others. CB may want to check in that day. But...if I keep taking the bait....I'm gonna get BANNED. Now...I'm telling ya...I'm gonna get BANNED.
Next week on.....FWK thread #17--DEEDLYNN reveals a lie that devastates, invigorates, intoxicates and leaves some speechless. (LOL--not really, but sounded good...new career for DEEDLYNN...screenwriter for One Life to Live).

you do have a good sense of humor,lol

[BamaGal]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

That is ok, not to see things the same way, because we aren't a "pack" like we have been labeled or like Heidi would have others believe. We are individuals with different perspectives.

you are born an original why die a copy........

[Sherrie_lc]

Originally Posted by WildAngel6

I would figure that once one becomes a spokesperson for a site like Kimkins by becoming a front page representative of the company, it wouldn't be all that unusual for one to find people talking about you. After all, that's part of the reason to have people on the front page anyway, is it not?

It's possible that I might be freaked out if I hadn't put myself on the front page of a website, but if I had agreed to be on the front page, I would certainly already have anticipated that someone would be talking about it. Remember Heidi's maxim that any publicity is good publicity.

PLUS as she said, she was aware of the controversy...

Regardless of whether she looked into the dangers and fraud, she knew about us "haters" so therefor she knew she would be putting herself in the firing line. So, to me it seems probable that she was expecting and "looking" for a response, she saw it and jumped straight in without waiting to see where it would go. Thats my take, anyway

[Sherrie_lc]

I was wandering through the grocery store yesterday, reminiscing about the foods I used to believe were healthy for me. Pre-low carb, my cart would have contained whole grain pastas, brown and jasmine rices, several of those Asian noodle meals In a Box *gosh I loved those*, 12 grain bread (or Bob's bread mix in a bag since I have a bread machine which I used to use several times per month), organic honey and peanut butter (used to eat that a lot too!), red potatoes, bananas, apples and dried fruit/nut mixes which were my snack of choice along with those Terra chips (sweet potato my fave). When I ate salads, which I did often, they were about half croutons

Any wonder I'm insulin resistant? All in the name of good health.

Originally Posted by SMP

Where did you find my old grocery lists, locarb? I swear those are still advised as healthy diet choices, and occasionally I slip back into the old mindset. But healthy is as healthy does, and those healthy choices were killing me. (I just gave away my bread machine, the one I lusted for for several years and used half to death. <sob>).
Now, if it didn't previously bleat, honk, baa, moo, cackle or swim, it barely makes it to my grocery cart. I make an exception for toilet paper.

Hmm personally except the bread, dried fruit, noodles and possibly peanut butter (have you seen the crap they put in these, these days?) I don't view them as necessarily unhealthy. The problem is, we made them major staples.

[Sherrie_lc]

Originally Posted by BamaGal

sheesh...miss a couple of days reading here and a gazillion posts pop up....

I see what Tom was talking about staying on topic...

not being snarky here---but if you want someone to call you email, text you or whatever---how about sending them a PM that's what they are for

and there is really no need to tell someone you have sent them a pm---each of us can set our preferences to notify us when we get PMs

like I was saying not being snarky.......

agree

[Sherrie_lc]

Originally Posted by 2big4mysize

Dee that was my commnet and yes as a former 300+ pounder who is now a goalie the first 100 is the easy part compared to the remaining pounds to lose.

Know why? as we lose weight our body doesn't need the same amount of cals to do the eact same activities. using the BMR calculator you will see we lose about 9 cals for each pound lost so right now doing the eacat same thing you started with you burn 900 cals less so it takes more effort in the gym to get the exact same burned off cals. Yes you are most likely in better shape now so you gained by increasing sppeds inclines resistance duration etc but the increase in fitness levels doesn't continue at the rapid improvement levels any more and going 1 MPH faster in the gym tomorrow then yesterday will not get you anywhere near as many cals burned as it did the first time you improved that 1MPH so as the pounds to lose become less and our training effect kicks in we have to work much harder to get the next 100 pounds off so yes the harder part of your weight loss journey is till to come which is exactly what I said

Plus the longer you restrict calories the more your body adapts, thats why I don't see the sense in going into a diet with all guns blazing (e.g. large calorie deficit and/or large amounts of exercise) when you have a long journey ahead of you. Why get a body used to 500 calories a day straight of the bat (let alone ever!) when you have say 200+ pounds to lose?

As an example and yeah I know I am always using them, but there is a lot to learn from them in regards to optimal weight loss. Bodybuilders generally give themselves 12 weeks for a weight loss phase because they are aware of our bodies adaption. Not only that, they gradually taper down their calories and gradually increase their cardio. Now they even go one step further and they mix up their calories and carbs on a daily basis in order to slow down the adaption process. People say that obese people are more protected in regards to weight loss as far as muscle is concerned and whilst that is true to a degree, when you're comparing them to already lean people... it doesn't stop their bodies from adapting. What the heck do you do when you adapt to say even 1000 calories a day and you're still 200+ pounds?

Exercise is the same thing, the fitter or stronger we get the more we adapt to the exercise we are doing and thus the less effect it has.

[Sherrie_lc]

Originally Posted by LChottie07

Ok who wants to smile really big this afternoon... I just got the following email.. and well... we are making a difference everyone!!! Amy.... let's add this flower to your boquet!!!!



I'm off to make another cake now, hope I can see through the tears of joy!

Great stuff, I hope you have her a nudge towards low carb.

I'd hate to think the nutritionist may put her on the standard high carb, low fat diet