Why the fascination with Kimmer? #17

[Barbara B]

Originally Posted by Carly07

I am having a hard time wrapping my head around eating more to lose. Something just does not compute for me.

It will become clear to you if you get yourself a copy of Dr. Atkins New Diet Revolution. I happen to prefer the earlier one, 1992 I think. Read the whole book and you will understand.

Also, if you want to spring for it, wonderful book Natural & Healthy Weight Loss by Barry Groves.

[BamaGal]

Originally Posted by Carly07

I am having a hard time wrapping my head around eating more to lose. Something just does not compute for me.

that is one reason the diet industry makes 40 billion dollars a year---they tell you to starve to lose ---guess what---you fail---or should I say the diet industry or product fails---just feed your body a healthful way and the weight takes care of itself


the diet companies want you to keep coming back....

[2big4mysize]

thruth low carbing doesn't violate any laws of thermodynamics

folk have to know calories are liberated from different foods at different effencincies. they knowing that it is easy to understand why a carb cal isn't treated the same as a fat or protein cal

[WildAngel6]

Originally Posted by Carly07

I am having a hard time wrapping my head around eating more to lose. Something just does not compute for me.

Carly,

I know it does sound counterintuitive, but it's true. You really do have to eat enough food to lose weight. (Of course, it has to be the right foods too.)

If you aren't eating enough, your body will fight to hold on to every little bit you are eating. On a low calorie diet, you will only lose to a certain point, and then the weight loss will stop, because your body is set up for self preservation.

In order to convince your body to let go of some in the form of weight loss, you have to make it realize that it's not famine season and there will be enough food to sustain you.

Think of your metabolism like a furnace. The furnace works better, burns brighter and is more efficient when it has the proper fuel. Your metabolism is your body's furnace. Eat enough of the proper things, and your metabolism will work more efficiently.

Definitely take a look at Dr. Atkins New Diet Revolution (or DANDR for short). It works!

[thetruthinhiding]

Originally Posted by 2big4mysize

thruth low carbing doesn't violate any laws of thermodynamics

folk have to know calories are liberated from different foods at different effencincies. they knowing that it is easy to understand why a carb cal isn't treated the same as a fat or protein cal

Here is what I was trying to say. Taubes says it better.

For the past 60 years, researchers studying obesity and weight regulation have insisted on treating the human body as a thermodynamic black box: calories go in one side, they come out the other, and the difference (calories in minus calories out) ends up as either more or less fat. The fat tissue, in this thermodynamic model, has nothing to say in the matter. Thus the official recommendations to eat less and exercise more and assuredly you'll get thinner. (Or at least not fatter.) And in the strict sense this is true - you can starve a human, or a rat, and they will indeed lose weight - but that misses the point. Humans, rats and all living organisms are ruled by biology, not thermodynamics. When we deprive ourselves of food, we get hungry. When we push ourselves physically, we get tired.

ETA: Can't forget Groves:
more from Barry Groves : LC Research/Media Forum : Active Low-Carber Forums
That is a great little read, so take the time if you can.

In summary, the laws of thermodynamics are not violated, just that the "calorie is a calorie" premise of many folks interpretation of those laws is wrong.

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by Tooter

I don't know what to say, if you don't understand why it's "different".

She has had many people asking her questions (and some baiting her) on how many websites? She is trying to take this all in at one time.

She has Medusa posting things about her, because she didn't respond fast enough (and was responding on here and in emails and PM's to people, plus trying to do other reading on diets).

I'm sure there are many other things "coming to light" for her. I know that I sure as heck would be over whelmed. She has no idea who is friend or foe. Who is asking a real question and who is just trying to ruffle her feathers. If I was her, I would need a little time to "Take it all in".

I guess I will not get how it is different then, because I don't.
I asked Dee for a reference, quote of a post - no different than we have asked for facts on other's comments in a post.

If someone says that Kimkins is *not* lean meat- don't we provide quotes from Kimmer, screen shots, etc...to back up why we said such things in our posts.
We don't get by with google "kimkins- lean meat" I know I read it somewhere.

I don't know who is baiting her nor do I know on how many websites.
You asked that like I know. If you know then you are ahead of me on that one.
I do know I am not baiting her, I don't know if you meant me, but I will say that my questions have been direct and consistent since Dee first started posting here.

But you see Tooter, this is what I am getting at. Your statement about baiting Dee or her not knowing who is friend or foe... It comes off as it is better to question others motive's and call them baiting than to question Dee's. And I imagine the friend or foe issue is not a concern that only Dee has either. Another reason I don't see the situation all that unique or different.

But I guess the mystery post is with Jimmy Hoffa somewhere and if I find the locations of either one I'll let y'all know.

[HoneyBee2]

Oh and in regards to Medusa posting things about her-
If you are referring to the blog post from Medusa yesterday then I think it was more about her concern for the 17y.o girl and "I think she was just desperate to get this girl some help", like you had said yesterday.
If it is a new post then I haven't read it.

[thetruthinhiding]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

Oh and in regards to Medusa posting things about her-
If you are referring to the blog post from Medusa yesterday then I think it was more about her concern for the 17y.o girl and "I think she was just desperate to get this girl some help", like you had said yesterday.
If it is a new post then I haven't read it.

ITA, Medusa was in the right and acting out of concern for the girl. I think Dee agrees with that, right Dee?

[Carly07]

Someone asked about my numbers.. I don't remember who..
but here..

I have never hit 1000 calories.. ever unless I was off the wagon.

I kept my carbs below 20..
Fat at 30ish
and protein between 60 and 90

Here is an example..
Today..

and this is before dinner..
Calories 473 Fat 28 Carb 11 protein 38

I will probably have fish for dinner which will up the calories to 570 ish Fat to 29 Carb at 11 and protein will be 68 ish

you see.. and trust me it is NOT because I dont' eat.. I do.. a lot. I had a HUGE lunch.. it is all about what I am eating.. not the how muches

[Carly07]

I tried to edit to say that I do exercise. a LOT. and by a LOT I mean a LOT. I am not one that over estimates my exercise.

[This time]

Originally Posted by Carly07

Someone asked about my numbers.. I don't remember who..
but here..

I have never hit 1000 calories.. ever unless I was off the wagon.

I kept my carbs below 20..
Fat at 30ish
and protein between 60 and 90

Here is an example..
Today..

and this is before dinner..
Calories 473 Fat 28 Carb 11 protein 38

I will probably have fish for dinner which will up the calories to 570 ish Fat to 29 Carb at 11 and protein will be 68 ish

you see.. and trust me it is NOT because I dont' eat.. I do.. a lot. I had a HUGE lunch.. it is all about what I am eating.. not the how muches

Hi Carly...when you have lost your weight, do you really think that you could live on 570cal a day and not get very sick

[Carly07]

Time.. the honest answer to that is I do not know. If I knew the answer I wouldn't be talking about it.

[This time]

Originally Posted by Carly07

Time.. the honest answer to that is I do not know. If I knew the answer I wouldn't be talking about it.

I bet you, if you talked to your doctor and told him how many cals your having a day, he would scare the c##p out of you, no doctor would go along with this crazy diet. There are so many ladies here that went through hell and back, how would you feel if you damaged your heart or went bald like Heidi, honey it's not worth it. Just my advice

[DEEDLYNN]

HoneyBee--I posted to you earlier....What do you want from me? Do we need to go back and re-hash thread #16 where I first appeared. Didn't we beat that dead horse at the time? Are we going to re-argue how I felt at the time, even though I've had an obvious change in mindset? Is that what this thread is about....to continue re-hashing?

As far as baiting, I do think that some out here have done that. Can't come up with names,dates, places, times or posts, but I have "felt" that way. That is how I "felt" about Medusa's email and then flaming blog. I don't know who friend or foe is. You don't know if I am friend or foe. I can't change that. I'm still here, I'm trying to sort through everything. I have done everything that I said that I would do, I have posted with all honesty--to the best of my ability & knowledge, except for the one lie that I have admitted that I told. You will know the truth of that lie shortly.

The 17 yo girl....I believe my response was something to the line of...I found her profile. She posted 7 or 8 times I believe, her posts were short. I'm not sure that I believe that she is real. Do you know how many fake "people" are on the KK site. I believe I know now...how many have been confirmed. Am I at this point in time going to risk banning myself at KK for breach of TOS to reach out to someone that I don't even know is real....no...I am not going too.

I believe that Medusa probably believes that the girl is in trouble...I'm not sure that Medusa is actually "baiting" me. However, I do find it conveinent that the girl shows up at KK, at a time that I am voicing being on the fence out here. Everyone thinks that I am "untouchable" as far as banning right now. Someone reaches to me, because they believe that I am untouchable and can contact the girl in the KK site. If I do, and post what Medusa asked me to post, Heidi reads it and bans me for violation of TOS. Everyone believes that Heidi is so good at the mental games....I'm not good at playing mental games. SO...if my hypothesis is correct, Heidi as positioned everything to make me make a move....she bans me for violation of TOS and can say....she knows why she was banned, it's against TOS. Convuluted (sp)....yes..... But wouldn't you agree that a lot of this is a convuluted (sp) mess?

Again, if everyone was so sure that this 17 yo was in trouble....there are many others that could have reached out in a New York minute and responded to her. Would they have risked their "cover" and gotten banned....sure they would've. But....they were saving "one soul" and that was what it was originally about for some. (and as of last night...no one has responded to her) If they were banned could someone else go in..for another $80 under a different screen name...yes they could've. So, there was only $80 to lose there. Sorry, but I am working through something...once I get banned, I can't go back in as DEEDLYNN, DEEDLYNN22, anything that identififes me and one of my biggies...is that you will always know who I am out here.

Patty's reply was absolutely atrocious. To lump me in with her....was...IMHO unfair. But, I accepted it. I commented on it. and I dropped it....I'm frying bigger fish here right now.

But...my transgression was that I did not respond..or do anything timely enough. Well, if that's true...then everyone that knew of that 17 year old and has access to KK and did not respond...they are guilty of the same thing that I am. So let's lump me and the "lurkers", "moles", whatever you wanna call them in the same bucket....At least I'm in a bucket with someone right now.

Medusa sent me the 2nd email in the AM I believe the morning after her original email. I was at work. By 3 or 4 PM EST on the same day, she blasted me in her blog. I was still at work.

Has anyone really read the things that I am defending about myself out here.
--my space profile
--doctors appointments
--google searches
--techy abilities
--original post that inflammed me
--my spelling of ATKINS....thank you I get it now.
--my spelling of nutrionist...although I now understand that it's an inside joke.

Really, I've tried to think of an analogy that fits this past couple weeks for me in this thread...more flys with honey than...comes to mind....but.......

Better yet....cakes.....when trying to frost a beautiful cake....do you start with a hard stick of butter and try to spread it. Try to beat the ingredients into it and hope to come up with a creamy frosting....no....you start soft....there has been nothing soft about this...not even when I developed some credibility. When one "duck" left me alone..another started right in. Last night I was defending myself until 1 in the morning with a few people. today...a new group and defending myself again to one or two.

Is the goal to beat me into submission and make me leave? Quite frankly, I remember talking about the pack type mentality a week or so ago...not sure if it's the pack tagging each other in and out to beat up on me or not....whatever it is...your not going to find anything that's not genuine here. anything that's not honest here....there is one dishonest statement. It is going to be revealed. It will be explained. You will either understand or not.

Constantly badgering me on one item or the other is not going to reveal a lie, unless my words are twisted and contorted.

Sorry to ramble....but I've spent a ton of time on this over the past few days to the neglect of other things... I'm tired today from 4 hours sleep last night (yawn) (and noooooooo I'm not CrispyBread).

[BamaGal]

Originally Posted by Carly07

Someone asked about my numbers.. I don't remember who..
but here..

I have never hit 1000 calories.. ever unless I was off the wagon.

I kept my carbs below 20..
Fat at 30ish
and protein between 60 and 90

Here is an example..
Today..

and this is before dinner..
Calories 473 Fat 28 Carb 11 protein 38

I will probably have fish for dinner which will up the calories to 570 ish Fat to 29 Carb at 11 and protein will be 68 ish

you see.. and trust me it is NOT because I dont' eat.. I do.. a lot. I had a HUGE lunch.. it is all about what I am eating.. not the how muches

Carly that is no way for anyone to live. If you are eating below your BMR---the calories have to come from somewhere---your muscles are used first---then your body fat---and you exercise too...not good

You must remember the HEART is a muscle

[la.lady]

Patty's reply was absolutely atrocious. To lump me in with her....was...IMHO unfair. But, I accepted it. I commented on it. and I dropped it....I'm frying bigger fish here right now.

My name is Patty. You weren't talking about me, Right?

[vernswifevickie]

Dee...you "sound" exhausted, frustrated and tired of trying to defend yourself. I'm sorry.... I just wanted to somehow reach out to you and say, first of all, I am sorry that I teased and baited you when you first came here, It was wrong and petty of me. Second, I believe that you really have begun to rethink things and are looking to find the best way for you to continue your journey...I believe that your change in attitude is real and I'm sorry it's been such a rough ride. I really am

[NancyElle]

Originally Posted by la.lady

Patty's reply was absolutely atrocious. To lump me in with her....was...IMHO unfair. But, I accepted it. I commented on it. and I dropped it....I'm frying bigger fish here right now.

My name is Patty. You weren't talking about me, Right?

I think she meant Patti, a Kimkins cover girl, who wrote a scathing email to Medusa, when confronted about a girl (Kimkins member) who had/has an eating disorder.

Someone correct me if I am wrong.

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by DEEDLYNN

HoneyBee--I posted to you earlier....What do you want from me? Do we need to go back and re-hash thread #16 where I first appeared. .{...}...

Dee did you mistaken my post- which clearly quoted tooter as something to you? Because you seemed to have addressed that comment-which was a reply to Tooter.

I want even post again the real question that was asked to you, because you know it by now.

[MissMerize]

Originally Posted by Carly07

Time.. the honest answer to that is I do not know. If I knew the answer I wouldn't be talking about it.

This is a common thing that happens over there.

I was at roughly 700 cals a day, watching it for a long time. Then I would find myself not counting after a while, as if I wasn't hungry then I didn't have to eat (gospel according to Heidi).

I was probably eating less at times - who knows. But there were weeks and weeks around that 700 mark.

I stalled out for a couple of weeks, and decided I needed to try the EW challenge. I just remember counting the cals that weekend and I couldn't even get it up to 400 (cals per day) with just eggwhites. At the end of the weekend I lost no weight - even waited a couple of days extra to see if it just needed to kick in - but nothing dropped. It was the beginning of my "end" as far as losing anything else.

You should probably track it for a few days. It is a pain to measure and weigh - but it is the scientific approach.

[This time]

Hey Vickie, Hey NancyElle oops didn't see you MissMerize

[la.lady]

Boy I hope so, Oh Dear, I couldn't have imagined what I would have said to set that off.
Thanks...

[vernswifevickie]

Originally Posted by This time

Hey Vickie, Hey NancyElle

Hi Linda

Did you know this little waving smilie guy is my very favorite?