Why the fascination with Kimmer? #17

[Locarb4me]

Originally Posted by SMP

Where did you find my old grocery lists, locarb? I swear those are still advised as healthy diet choices, and occasionally I slip back into the old mindset. But healthy is as healthy does, and those healthy choices were killing me. (I just gave away my bread machine, the one I lusted for for several years and used half to death. <sob>).
Now, if it didn't previously bleat, honk, baa, moo, cackle or swim, it barely makes it to my grocery cart. I make an exception for toilet paper.

LOL!! I can so relate to the bread machine thing. Is there anything on earth more satisfying and delicious than hot, homebaked bread out of the oven slathered with real butter? (sorry for the triggers, anyone). Of all the things I miss, I miss that the most, I think. Cake with buttercream icing, second.

I wish I could develop selective amnesia and just forget they exist.

One of these days I'm going to have to try some of Kevinpa's bread recipes.

On another note. I was in KK this morning for a while. There seem to be quite a few people who started about the same time as I did, going back to "try again". This worries me.

If you couldn't stick with it the first time around or maybe the second...think WHY?
Were you too hungry? There's a clue!
Did you gain the weight back immediately?
There's another clue!
Did you feel SNATTY when you did KK before? CLUE!!

Reminds me of the definition of insanity. Trying the same thing over and over expecting different results.

I suppose the longer that site stays up, and the more people try and fail repeatedly to stick with that diet, the more people will do what I and so many others did and that's search for a healthier, more valid WOE. I wish I could get away with a PM to each of them with a link to LCF

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by Tooter

You ask Why, Linc and I ask "Why not"?

Wasn't the point of all these threads to stop Heidi's lies and help people see the truth and get out?

How many people who have "admonished us" are now a major part of these threads? As well, they should be.

I don't see what the big deal is, with giving Dee the benefit of the doubt and giving her a little "space" to take this all in.

That's just my opinion, for what it's worth.

Tooter- I think it was asked why not-and I answered why it mattered to me. And I have also stated why I have asked the questions I have.

I didn't say anyone who had called us haters, bullies, naysayers etc or admonished us, couldn't be a part of this thread or shouldn't be a part of this thread did I?
I just defended my right to ask them to clarify what they meant.
I don't see how asking them questions on statements they made is any different than me having to clarify to you right now or Lou early why I made the statements I made.

So to you it *isn't* giving someone space to ask them to do a simple post search in thread 16 where she stated all this took place? It would be different if Dee wasn't verbose in all her other posts.
Or do you think that is too much to ask?

[thetruthinhiding]

Originally Posted by WildAngel6

I would figure that once one becomes a spokesperson for a site like Kimkins by becoming a front page representative of the company, it wouldn't be all that unusual for one to find people talking about you. After all, that's part of the reason to have people on the front page anyway, is it not?

It's possible that I might be freaked out if I hadn't put myself on the front page of a website, but if I had agreed to be on the front page, I would certainly already have anticipated that someone would be talking about it. Remember Heidi's maxim that any publicity is good publicity.

My thoughts exactly. That is my entire defense (for bringing Dee here) in a nutshell. I hope Dee realizes that now and no hard feelings. I also hope other folks that put their image and stories out for Heidi to use as advertising (free or otherwise) realize that they become fair game for public speculation. (Patti)

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by dhuff81096

Actually I just put that in there so you could see what the TRUTH had to say about why Dee came to the thread, not saying that it brought Dee here.

Gotcha! I took it as you thought she was referring to that as the "post"
No harm no "fowl".

[WildAngel6]

Originally Posted by 2big4mysize

Dee that was my commnet and yes as a former 300+ pounder who is now a goalie the first 100 is the easy part compared to the remaining pounds to lose.

Know why? as we lose weight our body doesn't need the same amount of cals to do the eact same activities. using the BMR calculator you will see we lose about 9 cals for each pound lost so right now doing the eacat same thing you started with you burn 900 cals less so it takes more effort in the gym to get the exact same burned off cals. Yes you are most likely in better shape now so you gained by increasing sppeds inclines resistance duration etc but the increase in fitness levels doesn't continue at the rapid improvement levels any more and going 1 MPH faster in the gym tomorrow then yesterday will not get you anywhere near as many cals burned as it did the first time you improved that 1MPH so as the pounds to lose become less and our training effect kicks in we have to work much harder to get the next 100 pounds off so yes the harder part of your weight loss journey is till to come which is exactly what I said

That is why it is hard for many of us to consider someone who is not yet at or even near goal a "success story".

"Success" in terms of the weight loss world usually means making it all the way. The first half of the battle really is the easy part.

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not discounting the efforts involved, nor am I saying that attaining the first half is necessarily easy, just easier than the last half. Also, the term "success story" implies total success, not just partial, and along with that success, the ability to maintain the loss, is a necesssary ingredient as well.

That's why Heidi was always putting out there that she had "allegedly" maintained the 198 lb. loss for 5 years. The weight loss itself wasn't good enough, and she knew it; it had to be a total package in order to suck people in as it did.

[DEEDLYNN]

P.S 2big---I just got on...I'm not banned at this point.

Also, if you read the entire journal entry, I think I make some very good points. Yes, is there some snarky in it....you bet...my journal is where I let out the good, bad and ugly of Dee.. But, things like the comment about how WW knows how to make money. Those are some valid points too....so if you are going to read it...likely some will find it offensive...Sorry, again, different mindset at the time. But, some coherent thoughts are in that journal entry.

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by thetruthinhiding

My thoughts exactly. That is my entire defense (for bringing Dee here) in a nutshell. I hope Dee realizes that now and no hard feelings. I also hope other folks that put their image and stories out for Heidi to use as advertising (free or otherwise) realize that they become fair game for public speculation. (Patti)

Did Dee say it was your post that brought her here T?

[SMP]

Originally Posted by LoraJR72

Hi Lou and MomtoEli!

This is what I was asking Dee and any lurkers, in my little rant last evening.

Why are THEY circling the block when it comes to KK?

For the same reason any wary living thing does a trap - their senses tell them one thing, their instincts another. I am more restrained than Dee, but even so, I dig my heels in when friends of mine come under attack. My first inclination is to fight back. Luckily, it's not always my 2nd or 3rd one.

But first I need to learn if my friends are worthy of my support, and if someone can show me that my support is misplaced with FACTS, it puts me in a real bind. In fact, it HURTS. It hurts that I have misread the circumstances surrounding our friendship, that my judgment is severely lacking, or to be lumped in with amoral persons' company. And I tend to first resent the person who pointed out my naivetie. Such conflict takes days, and sometimes weeks to resolve.
Nor do I particularly like those old highschool girl tactics of - if you're her friend, you can't be mine.It just makes me wanna . When truth is manifest, eventually most of us will do the correct thing. Just my .029 cents worth!

[DEEDLYNN]

No....guys...I didn't realize what would happen when I did the Front Page. Call it naive...call it stupid....

For me, I had never in my life before been complimented. I had never been told that I looked good (not from Heidi, but by folks out there). Did I think I was going out there to "lure" people into her site. Absolutely not...not because I wasn't smart enough, but in the words of someone else out here....it was "intoxicating". Folks were noticing me because of my looks....it has never happened before. I was wrapped up in Dee. People complimenting me.

And, just by an odd stroke of fate, a friend posted AmyB's blog out there and linked me to it....I absolutely can't tell you what it was that I saw in her blog that fired me up. I could go back and read it now and see my first post there to refresh my memory, but I'm not sure if it was a comment about DEEDLYNN or about KK. something fired me up.

I then googled my screenname. I believe someone else told me to do that. I doubt that was something that I would have just done. I ended up here. It's that simple. There I saw something negative about me...or something I perceived negative. Here is a girl that never got any compliments on looks for her entire life. She then became no one in life, no one commented one way or the other--I really didn't exist, I lost weight, someone wanted to "feature" me. I did...I started getting compliments...then boom...negative... Does it sound like I was thinking about Heidi making money....H$*#(%* no...I was thinking about Dee.

Hindsight....is putting myself out there as Heidi's postergirl a valid reason for folks to "google" me and comment on me....yes it is......Did I think so at the time....no I didn't.

[2big4mysize]

I ready what kat posted DEE as i am a memeber of the superbanned and couldn't even see your smiling face when you were a cover girl ( I know being a cover girl has to tickle you)

I replied to your C and P of my commnet cause you misinterpreted my words about first 100 pounds being easy. Just as the large number of pounds an inducttee sheds the harder part is coming up.

[LINC]

Originally Posted by thetruthinhiding

My thoughts exactly. That is my entire defense (for bringing Dee here) in a nutshell. I hope Dee realizes that now and no hard feelings. I also hope other folks that put their image and stories out for Heidi to use as advertising (free or otherwise) realize that they become fair game for public speculation. (Patti)

FYI (and in response to Honey's similar comment) I am not surprised at all that, being the poster girl for KK, Dee's information was sought out. As Truth and Honey said, as a spokesperson, she should have expected it. I should have been more clear that what I meant was, I don't think it's inappropriate at all the Dee did respond by coming here.

Yes, it would personally freak me out to see that people were tracking my internet activity, but I wouldn't be surprised if I was "out there" like Dee put herself. I think Dee was surprised at the attention, but she doesn't seem to have taken offense at all to the fact that she was googled, but more at being questioned about how she lost her weight. At least that's how I understood it.

Lou

[DEEDLYNN]

2big---I would like to visit with you about what you are doing? how you transitioned? etc. If you wouldn't mind...I would really welcome an email to DEEDLYNN22...I'm at yahoo. Maybe even a phone call from you...I can give you my number. If you don't want get that involved at this point...I understand.

[DEEDLYNN]

Lou--I was surprised you are right. At first I was probably offended, but more so about what I perceived to be negative comments. But, then after some of it settled in...no, it makes sense why I was googled.

[Carly07]

of being.. hurt, bashed, laughed at amongst other things..

What do you consider safe numbers..
You know Cals, Carbs, Protein and Fat..

I think it is all but understood what guidelines I have been following..


Carly is seriously trying to think about things.

Dee.. I am here with you honey.. smooch

[thetruthinhiding]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

Did Dee say it was your post that brought her here T?

I think we got ack of that in #16 if memory serves (and it usually doesn't).

ETA: Here is the link. As I read it now, it isn't clear to me if Dee was saying "yep" that is the post, or "yep" it is entertaining. At the time I took it to be the former, but I am more unclear now.
Why the fascination with Kimmer? #16
And scroll up a few posts to see what she was responding to.

[LChottie07]

Ok who wants to smile really big this afternoon... I just got the following email.. and well... we are making a difference everyone!!! Amy.... let's add this flower to your boquet!!!!

Dear Christin,

I wanted to write and thank you. Quite a few months ago, I had read the article about the Kimkins diet in a magazine. I had started looking into it and was really considering trying it when I ran across your website. Not sure how I got there, but I am so thankful that I did!! I wish there were more people out there like you who do what is right, no matter what. That is how I see what you are doing.

You most likely saved my life by your blog and I wanted to thank you for it. I haven't gone on an eatting program yet. About 5 weeks after finding your site my doctor changed one of my diabetes meds and, until that evened out, I wasn't to consider doing anything but eatting normally. Now that that has happened, I have an appointment with a nutritionist, through my doctor and, hopefully, I'll be able to get some of this weight off.

Hope you have a good day and a wonderful weekend.

XXX

I'm off to make another cake now, hope I can see through the tears of joy!

[This time]

Originally Posted by LChottie07

Ok who wants to smile really big this afternoon... I just got the following email.. and well... we are making a difference everyone!!! Amy.... let's add this flower to your boquet!!!!



I'm off to make another cake now, hope I can see through the tears of joy!

[Locarb4me]

Originally Posted by LChottie07

Ok who wants to smile really big this afternoon... I just got the following email.. and well... we are making a difference everyone!!! Amy.... let's add this flower to your boquet!!!!



I'm off to make another cake now, hope I can see through the tears of joy!

Christin? You've heard the Story of the Starfish right?
HERE


That's part of what this is all about. AmyB picks flowers, and some of us throw starfish back in the water WTG!!

[Tooter]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

Tooter- I think it was asked why not-and I answered why it mattered to me. And I have also stated why I have asked the questions I have.

I didn't say anyone who had called us haters, bullies, naysayers etc or admonished us, couldn't be a part of this thread or shouldn't be a part of this thread did I?
I just defended my right to ask them to clarify what they meant.
I don't see how asking them questions on statements they made is any different than me having to clarify to you right now or Lou early why I made the statements I made.

So to you it *isn't* giving someone space to ask them to do a simple post search in thread 16 where she stated all this took place? It would be different if Dee wasn't verbose in all her other posts.
Or do you think that is too much to ask?

I don't know what to say, if you don't understand why it's "different".

She has had many people asking her questions (and some baiting her) on how many websites? She is trying to take this all in at one time.

She has Medusa posting things about her, because she didn't respond fast enough (and was responding on here and in emails and PM's to people, plus trying to do other reading on diets).

I'm sure there are many other things "coming to light" for her. I know that I sure as heck would be over whelmed. She has no idea who is friend or foe. Who is asking a real question and who is just trying to ruffle her feathers. If I was her, I would need a little time to "Take it all in".

[SMP]

Originally Posted by Carly07

of being.. hurt, bashed, laughed at amongst other things..

What do you consider safe numbers..
You know Cals, Carbs, Protein and Fat..

I think it is all but understood what guidelines I have been following..


Carly is seriously trying to think about things.

Dee.. I am here with you honey.. smooch

Welcome, Carly. Pardon my manners for not saying it sooner. My bad.

Low carb runs the gamut from 0 grams carbs to what the AMA laughingly calls low carb - anything under 100 gms daily. Since several lc foods do contain carbs, esp veggies, sometimes it depends on where you get your proteins and fats, and how much.

Right now there is a small war going on between lc high protein and lc high fat. Some people can lose on both. But as Loren was pointing out with her gluconeogenesis posts, excess protein can -wastefully- be turned into sugar, whereas excess fat, if one can choke it down, requires even more wastage to be converted to sugar. IOW, it takes more fat calories than protein calories to maintain sugar levels, which carbs do so effortlessly.

Which means I can't answer you. I am still finding my own path, but do know anything over 50 gms carbs daily, and I pack on either water or fat by the scale. Don't want either. But I also think I've been too low in the past and it took months to figure it out. Induction at 20 carbs is a safe beginning for most of us, but climb the OWL ladder a rung at a time ASAP. That I can safely say, since Dr. Atkins said it first.

[thetruthinhiding]

Originally Posted by LChottie07

Ok who wants to smile really big this afternoon... I just got the following email.. and well... we are making a difference everyone!!! Amy.... let's add this flower to your boquet!!!!
I'm off to make another cake now, hope I can see through the tears of joy!

Christin,
I don't know who XXX is in your note, but I can tell it isn't TT or Dee.

[rebel]

Originally Posted by SMP

But they're low carb and tasty dark meat. Make good stews as well.

SMP, I'm not selfish at all. You can have my share.