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Old 05-16-2008, 09:45 AM   #1261
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me thinks, dee was lurking long before she commented...just my .02

Honey, the home page info Carly made was in reference to what I got when I searched on MSN
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Old 05-16-2008, 09:46 AM   #1262
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Okay, I have a request this morning:

I'm off for another round of tent camping (pray for me!) and I do NOT want to come home to 50 pages of material to catch up on. So, how about everyone take the weekend off, hmmm?

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This one would be impossible, because it was posted AFTER she came into the thread.
Actually I just put that in there so you could see what the TRUTH had to say about why Dee came to the thread, not saying that it brought Dee here.
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Thanks but if this is was the post that Dee was describing then I don't get it, because what I quoted her saying was just a snippet of how it was described as false information...etc.... a profile - false information????

Perhaps it was the questions posed here by OYB?

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Does anyone know Dee? Real person, lost all the weight while participating at Kimkins?
Although, maybe not, as it wouldn't come up with a search for Deedlynn, since she only said Dee. And there weren't any false accusations, only questions.

Since there have been fake success stories posted at KK previously and people who have been successful with losing weight such as Tippy and SL who lost most of their weight on other plans, the questions were justified.
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But the question is can we re-establish our hormonal balance?

These things help:
Never eat after dinner not even a snack, wine or juice. finnish eating dinner at least three hours before bed. This helps allow leptin, melatonin, cortisol and others to recycle. Nutrition, 2001;17(6):483-4
I have 2 words for you, Larcana - Somogyi effect. I think I require a bedtime snack to keep my liver from going into overdrive during the early morning hours. Darn, eh?
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me thinks, dee was lurking long before she commented...just my .02
I don't really see why that would matter. Isn't that part of the purpose of this thread? To educate people who are still on the KK plan?

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Actually I just put that in there so you could see what the TRUTH had to say about why Dee came to the thread, not saying that it brought Dee here.
I read the post too. Yeah, it would freak me out too to know that a bunch of strangers were googling my name and discussing where I was posting, what I was posting, having internet conversations about whether or not I was lying about how I lost my weight. Why wouldn't she come here to respond when people are talking about her?

The thing is, I don't get that thread when I google Dee's name either. I don't know why, but it doesn't come up. So, maybe Dee isn't being completely truthful when she says she googled her name and that's how she found out she was being discussed. Maybe she found out because she's been lurking here.

I don't think that's really such a big deal one way or the other. Rather, why is it such a big deal?

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I don't really see why that would matter. Isn't that part of the purpose of this thread? To educate people who are still on the KK plan?



I read the post too. Yeah, it would freak me out too to know that a bunch of strangers were googling my name and discussing where I was posting, what I was posting, having internet conversations about whether or not I was lying about how I lost my weight. Why wouldn't she come here to respond when people are talking about her?

The thing is, I don't get that thread when I google Dee's name either. I don't know why, but it doesn't come up. So, maybe Dee isn't being completely truthful when she says she googled her name and that's how she found out she was being discussed. Maybe she found out because she's been lurking here.

I don't think that's really such a big deal one way or the other. Rather, why is it such a big deal?

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Exactly, Lou. Other than, if she isn't being truthful about that - something which really doesn't matter - what about the stuff that does matter?

There is another explanation, though. Maybe she saw it because she was lurking but doesn't want Heidi to know she was lurking. Not sure why that would matter either, though. Even Gary and Singinglass lurk over here.
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Squirrel update

Dh came home, scooted the box to the door and "Gingersnap" (yes, ds named him) now roams free! Hopefully he will warn his little critter friends about the big warrior kitty that lives here and they will give the house wide berth.

Or, maybe they will attack enmass ...

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We sat on the deck, and he "picked" them off the roof of the little house! They aren't nearly as cute up close. They look like a big rat.
But they're low carb and tasty dark meat. Make good stews as well.
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Somogyi effect is tough...glucagon epi and cortisol again.

I still think we can work with whatever metabolism problems we have and we do it better with lowcarb than anything else.
Plus not all doctors take the time to listen to your concerns and they only hear something like, "I want my cholesterol checked.", instead of I need bloodwork and I want my cholesterol, thyroid, etc. checked.
I've had my problems with doctors listening to me. In fact it took 5 doctors to finally get my diagnoses of Celiac Disease. That's part of the reason I went into medicine. I had a painful and prolonged diagnoses procedure. I nearly died before I was diagnosed.
My lowest weight was 98 pounds. I wasn't trying to starve but I was afraid to eat anything because I knew something in food was making me sick. That something was gluten. After going on a GF diet I gained weight and maintained until I began eating a lot of high carb GF foods. It's been a struggle to get the weight off since.
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Dee...was checking out your Journal (you keep telling us to look) and I found this post interesting....(you will probably get mad at me for posting it here, but oh well)

It's my life & it's now or never. 4 Days, 21 Hours ago This is something that was posted about me out on an internet blog over the past couple days. Thought I'd put it here, so that I could remind myself of a tew things about my own journey.....

Here is the post a 2 subsequent comments.

Dee, txxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (see my explaination of xxx's below) has a blog post with the title "KIMKINS - the perspective of a success story".

So, is Dee a weight loss "success story"? She has lost 100 pounds in 11 months or so, starting at around 345 pounds in June 2007. Certainly an accomplishment, but does it constitute a weight loss "success story"? In my opinion, it's too early to tell. She is still following a diet that has proven to not be sustainable for many that have tried it. If Dee comes back in a year and reports that she has kept the 100 pounds off, I will consider it a "success story". Until then, the jury is still out.

Remember that Dee's [xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (I took out the garbage that was just intended to ridicule someone else--because this is about ME, not the program that I have chosen, or anyone else......so yes....for the first time...I have not only cut, paste, but I have also edited--but this is my PERSONAL JOURNAL). }

Where is the "success" in losing weight if it's not going to stay off?

Dee xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (edited for the same reason as above) when it comes to claiming being an expert on weight loss. I fail to see how many years of unsuccessfully trying to lose weight, or failing to keep weight off make anyone an "expert".

This is what Dee posted on the BBB Kimkins' review:

I have more than 30 years of dieting experience, so I feel more than qualified. If you are interested here is my resume:
1) Weight Watchers....more times than I can count
2) System 7......twice
3) Diet Workshop.....more than 5 times
4) Weigh Down workshop....once
5) LAPBAND....once
6) Do it yourself'ers.....more than a dozen.
7) Hospital _base_d Liquid Diet....twice

And now, Kimkins of course.

We all know that losing it is the easy part...keeping it off is the hard part...time will tell. The guy's not bad though!! lol

May 10, 2008 10:15 AM
Kat she isn't ready for maintaining at 100 pounds lost. Dee is still obese and as one who moved rapidly from morbidly obese to obese too I know the hard work for Dee is still coming as she moves from obese to just overweight and finally to goal weight.

May 10, 2008 2:38 PM

So.....I thought I'd take the time to reflect on my journey.....
1) A success story---absolutely.....does that mean that at sometime I may not stumble. Absolutely not. I'm human. I can't predict right now whether I will get to goal, but I believe I will or whether I will step out and get hit by a bus tomorrow. But am I a KK success story....you bet your bottom dollar I am. And, I'm in good complany. I believe one of my KK friends has been maintaining her weight loss since September 2007 and she looks marvelous. I believe another friend has been cheat free since last June and she looks marvelous. I believe that actually I have quite a few friends here now that are on maintenance or DAM N close....

2) Where are these folks success stories, How can you question my success? I know that some question whether or not the "before" pic in my avatar is me. It is....I can give you the bibb number and the website that will show that DeAnna Lynn Smith raced that day and came in dead last. DEAD LAST. It's me. No question about it. No question that the "during" shot is me either, but.....whatever. So their "jury" is still out. Great. My "jury" is still out on what my future holds. I don't have a crystal ball. But as of this point in time....I am a KIMKINS success story and so are many of my friends.

3) My BBB review.....ah....someone had to dig deep. Yes, I mostly certainly did write a BBB review (Does the fact that I wrote something somewhere really surprise any of you--LMAO). I do consider myself an "expert" of diet programs that worked for me or did not work for me. I can't recall ever working a program where I lost anymore than 25-30 lbs. I KNOW what works for me. I KNOW ALL TO WELL what works for me. Yep....I'm the expert of that and I'll stand by that one. (Does anyone have jobs out there--that BBB review was quite a while ago......

4) The EASY part....are you kidding me...Someone thinks that losing 100 lbs is the easy part. Apparently they missed the time spent at the gym, the time spent trying to figure out what to cook--when I spent years going through drive-thru's for dinner. The times that I'd rather have been doing anything other than walking. The time spent lift weights. The time spent trying to see if I could get my body to run more than 5 steps at a time. The time spent seeking support. The time spent giving support. That was the EASY part. Do I think maintaining it will be easy...HELL no.....Do I think that any of this has been easy...HELL no. I'm still sitting here grinning at "the EASY part". Well, I guess if all you have to do is sit back and blame others for your situation, ridicule others for their "SUCCESS", and dig through old BBB responses.....then yes....losing 100 lbs is "the EASY part". LMAO

5) And, I need to thank the author for reminding me that I am still obese....kinda like someone out in the world calls a fat person fat...."duh, I'm so glad you told me that, because I don't see it each day when I look in the mirror.". It took a real stroke of genious to figure out that I'm still obese, but it doesn't take away the fact that I have lost 100 lbs and I'm no longer morbidly obese.


So here's a dose of DEE for the road.....

1) I don't need your "jury" to validate who I am and what my accomplishments are. Show me your credentials. Have you lost 100 lbs yet? Are you at goal yet? How long have you maintained? I'd bet 9 out of 10 of these ya-who's have accomplished nothing lately.....too busy looking for others to fail. Remember what I say, if you are watching others to fail, you are not watching yourself succeed.
2) As with any weight loss program, you have to maintain. Maintenance and it's woes are not unique to KK, it's that way with any weight loss program. Ever wonder why with WW when you get to goal, you are a lifetime non-paying member as long as you stay within 3 lbs of your goal weight. LMAO--because WW knows how to make money....ROTFLOL.
3) Some folks just want you to fail. In this particular case, if I fail, then it furthers their journey for whatever reason. I've said this before. You got the wrong girl. Failure is not part of my vocabulary. Not at all. My new thought....those who can do....DO and those who can't...Absolutely hate then ones that can do....LMAO.

If you believe in what you are doing....then go full steam ahead and reach your POTENTIAL by giving 100%. If your not sure of what you are doing....make sure you get to the point of believing what you are doing. If you decide that you are doing the wrong thing. Do what's best for you.....but no need to try to take everyone else down as collaterol damage with you.

Happy to be Dee...because FAT can be fixed....Ugly personalities....well, they just stay ugly.

Have a great day...and GREAT MOTHER's DAY....
Dee

I also noticed that you were off line...did you finally log out or were you banned?
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Exactly, Lou. Other than, if she isn't being truthful about that - something which really doesn't matter - what about the stuff that does matter?

There is another explanation, though. Maybe she saw it because she was lurking but doesn't want Heidi to know she was lurking. Not sure why that would matter either, though. Even Gary and Singinglass lurk over here.

Hey, MomtoEli. I don't think it should matter to anyone. And I don't think lying about it matters either. The fact remains, she WAS being discussed here. Who cares how she found out? So what if she was lurking and didn't (and maybe still doesn't) want anyone to know that? She has laid everything about herself out there, and there are posts all over the place, from a long time ago, that back up most of what she's saying.

I guess I'm trying to figure out what stuff does matter? Maybe she has no intention of ever quitting KK and leaving the site. So what? How does that hurt anyone here? Maybe she's not the person in her picture and never lost any weight. Again, so what? Is anyone here asking her for diet advice? OK, I was kinda looking at her menu. My point is, what could she possibly be lying about that could hurt anyone here? Are people afraid she's going to infiltrate into one of the super secret groups or something?

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That was posted 4 days after you came in here..you came in the 6th
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So, I'm thinking these previous studies were based on a "normal diet" which we know means higher carb. Could a lowcarb diet, not lowfat, help with this thyroid/leptin problem? I'll look for a study on that.
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Hi Dee and Carly and welcome.

I am as always 6 pages behind.

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I don't really see why that would matter. Isn't that part of the purpose of this thread? To educate people who are still on the KK plan?



I read the post too. Yeah, it would freak me out too to know that a bunch of strangers were googling my name and discussing where I was posting, what I was posting, having internet conversations about whether or not I was lying about how I lost my weight. Why wouldn't she come here to respond when people are talking about her?

The thing is, I don't get that thread when I google Dee's name either. I don't know why, but it doesn't come up. So, maybe Dee isn't being completely truthful when she says she googled her name and that's how she found out she was being discussed. Maybe she found out because she's been lurking here.

I don't think that's really such a big deal one way or the other. Rather, why is it such a big deal?

Lou

I would figure that once one becomes a spokesperson for a site like Kimkins by becoming a front page representative of the company, it wouldn't be all that unusual for one to find people talking about you. After all, that's part of the reason to have people on the front page anyway, is it not?

It's possible that I might be freaked out if I hadn't put myself on the front page of a website, but if I had agreed to be on the front page, I would certainly already have anticipated that someone would be talking about it. Remember Heidi's maxim that any publicity is good publicity.
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I was wandering through the grocery store yesterday, reminiscing about the foods I used to believe were healthy for me. Pre-low carb, my cart would have contained whole grain pastas, brown and jasmine rices, several of those Asian noodle meals In a Box *gosh I loved those*, 12 grain bread (or Bob's bread mix in a bag since I have a bread machine which I used to use several times per month), organic honey and peanut butter (used to eat that a lot too!), red potatoes, bananas, apples and dried fruit/nut mixes which were my snack of choice along with those Terra chips (sweet potato my fave). When I ate salads, which I did often, they were about half croutons

Any wonder I'm insulin resistant? All in the name of good health.
Where did you find my old grocery lists, locarb? I swear those are still advised as healthy diet choices, and occasionally I slip back into the old mindset. But healthy is as healthy does, and those healthy choices were killing me. (I just gave away my bread machine, the one I lusted for for several years and used half to death. <sob>).
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I read the post too. Yeah, it would freak me out too to know that a bunch of strangers were googling my name and discussing where I was posting, what I was posting, having internet conversations about whether or not I was lying about how I lost my weight. Why wouldn't she come here to respond when people are talking about her?

The thing is, I don't get that thread when I google Dee's name either. I don't know why, but it doesn't come up. So, maybe Dee isn't being completely truthful when she says she googled her name and that's how she found out she was being discussed. Maybe she found out because she's been lurking here.

I don't think that's really such a big deal one way or the other. Rather, why is it such a big deal?

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Lou- Maybe it would freak you out if a *bunch* of strangers were googling your name, but you weren't on the homepage of a website as a success story or in their newsletter.
I also didn't get the feeling that most people posting or reading the thread had really made an effort to google Dee. I know I didn't *until* she started posting here. But maybe wonder woman used her powers to figure out how to trace those who use google to search Dee and y'all have more information than I do.

And if Dee isn't being truthful, she should say so...because that is where someone who professes to be so forthright and wants to "earn our trust" needs to start.

Why is it a big deal? Well....Let's see. Because
in thread 16 Dee said a post was there falsifying information, etc......

And in a nutshell I am just sick and tired of people coming over to FWK saying how bad we are calling us haters, bullies, naysayers, a pack, a lynch mob....and then we are supposed to take their account of what took place as the gospel and not question it.
Then if we do question it and ask for examples -that they can't provide- then I guess I am suppose to sprinkle the ground with petals to welcome them in.

But here is the icing on this wonderful gooey cake- Why do you believe what Dee says automatically? Who said a bunch of people were googling her name, who said that anyone was discussing whether or not she was lying about losing the weight?....other than Dee.

I can't say I am surprised though, because you have played this role for as long as I can remember. The tsk tsk -bad ducks- when someone has come into the FWK thread to admonish us.

So I am not surprised in the least that you don't get it.
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I guess I'm trying to figure out what stuff does matter? Maybe she has no intention of ever quitting KK and leaving the site. So what? How does that hurt anyone here? Maybe she's not the person in her picture and never lost any weight. Again, so what? Is anyone here asking her for diet advice? OK, I was kinda looking at her menu. My point is, what could she possibly be lying about that could hurt anyone here? Are people afraid she's going to infiltrate into one of the super secret groups or something?

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Kat...not mad at all that you posted it. It's is what I wrote. It is how I felt. I've said before, that I have said nothing in private, nothing in PM's, nothing in journals or threads that I won't say outloud.

Couple of things that I will mention...
1) no I was not a lurker...the day I found my name in here was the first day I posted.
2) I didn't try to "not let Heidi" find out where I was....because quite frankly, I would have cared less. Like I said, I'm not subtle. And, if I were really intimidated by Heidi, I believe that I would have "curbed" some of my responses here...since she obviously keeps up with this thread.
3) I've really defended myself on a lot of things out here....things that would have sent someone not as strong as I...running away. I have opened and encouraged reading of my journal, as well as my blog.
but I still have had to defend:
--my original intentions
--my fascination with Cleo's blog
--my my-space bling
--my doctor's appointment
--my current intentions
--my turn around in attitude
I have been accused of a lot of things out here and none of them have been proven to be true.
I will say right now.....I have told one lie out here. One lie that is going to be revealed shortly. One lie that I told, which was more of a protection mechanism than anything else. One lie that was not meant to deceive, but to divert (temporarily). Whether or not when I reveal what the lie was, it makes any difference to anyone or not...that will remain to be seen.
But as of this point in time, there have been no other lies or deceptions by me. Many have been pondered, but there have been none...and since I didn't lie...there obviously is no evidence of a lie.
When I reveal what my lie was, I am also going to reveal the evidence of my lie....maybe then everyone will understand why I told it.
Until then, we can continue to debate when or why I came in, why I'm here, what I'm doing, why I'm doing it, whether I am telling Heidi anything, whether or not I am Heidi, or what color my shirt is today.....Not being defensive, but I'm trying to get my "ducks" in a row and no one is going to be happy until I'm banned from the site. Being banned is really not on my agenda right now.
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ETA: FWIW, no tsk-tsk intended by my agreement with Lou's post, just voicing my opinion. I think the ducks have done and continue to do VERY important work in the best way we, as individuals, know how
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Old 05-16-2008, 10:59 AM   #1281
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Not Lauren, but according the Leptin book I read, they've been giving us wrong information. What a surprise. The book says that eating 4 to 6 small meals throughout the day is the worst thing you can do. That doesn't give your metabolism those long periods to burn fat.
but that is based on burning a high carb diet
low carbers don't