Why the fascination with Kimmer? #17

[Barbara B]

Originally Posted by DEEDLYNN

See...I never knew until reading this thread that she had every been a part of LCF. When she was here was she KIMMER? Anyone know how long she was here? Ever any pics posted?
Also, what happened between KIMMER and Jimmy Moore? Just the Readers Digest version if you want...I'm interested. I have a flippin' IPOD, but I just now got to the point of putting a dang song on it...Well, I've owned it a year and only got its first song about 2 mos ago. I know that Jimmy has a PODCAST out there, but that might be just beyond my techy abilities...D*%(#$)@*$ IT!

Dee, her posts are still here, and here is one of her snarky gems.

Still Nauseous

[This time]

Could it be TT?

[OhYeahBabe]

Originally Posted by vernswifevickie

Oh yeah! I remember that! I know this is probably not going to be a popular opinion, and maybe I'm wrong...but I believe Osuzana when she said she was late to the conversation and didn't realize she was talking to a teenager. (Although I wouldn't approve of talking to anyone the way she talked to that girl.) It was actually e-mails that Becky had written, forwarded to me by Osuzana, that caused me to contact Becky and find out for sure that we were all being lied to about so many things. Osuzana was volitile (sp?) but I really do think she meant well. Just my opinion and I have been wrong once or twice before...but don't tell Vern, I almost have him convinced that I am always right.

All I know from her is the truly vile sound bytes, pulled out of context. I'm not sure context would have changed my opinion, but I'll at least concede that it's an opinion based on limited information.

[NancyElle]

Originally Posted by Barbara B

Dee, her posts are still here, and here is one of her snarky gems.

Still Nauseous

My gosh, Barbara, she sounds so mean in those replies. How in heavens name did people worship her, as they did? Didn't anyone see the ugliness between the lines?

Plus, I'd bet my house that that picture is not her. Hell, I've got twenty year old pictures of myself on my blog as well as up to the minute current ones<-(like that) and there is no QUESTION it is the same person. I mean, she posted pictures of Jaclyn Smith as her, for crying out loud!

I've also stated that that after picture of her disturbs me, because it almost looks like a family member of mine.....yikes!

[Barbara B]

Originally Posted by DEEDLYNN

Thank you Tooter....
So let me throw this out there....This is just Dee, thinking about Dee in this. But wondering what other's think.
You know that I was on the HOME PAGE and the MAY 2008 newsletter. So do you believe....that Heidi cares whether or not I continue with KK or chose ATKINS, or that she just needed someone "real" to put on these pages?
My answer will depend on whether or not I get banned from the KK site. If I get banned, the answer is obvious. If I don't get banned...it's not as obvious to me.

You have the answer yourself. She needed a fresh new "real" success story, not a sock puppet. You were an asset. If at any time she decides you are no longer an asset, you will be immediately banned.

[OhYeahBabe]

Originally Posted by Barbara B

Dee, her posts are still here, and here is one of her snarky gems.

Still Nauseous

OMG! I think that one was new to me.

Reading that without knowing what we know now would have been one thing - but reading it with the perspective we have today and it's really shocking & sickening. She deserves to ROT.

[anipomoni]

Originally Posted by Barbara B

Dee, her posts are still here, and here is one of her snarky gems.

Still Nauseous

Reminds me why I had so much respect for KajunDC and Julia. Great responses by them, and we all know it was not easy to stand up to Kimmer back then. She had such a following and such success () that it was hard to argue with her.

ETA: People you have to read the rest of that thread!

[Tooter]

Originally Posted by NancyElle

My gosh, Barbara, she sounds so mean in those replies. How in heavens name did people worship her, as they did? Didn't anyone see the ugliness between the lines?

Plus, I'd bet my house that that picture is not her. Hell, I've got twenty year old pictures of myself on my blog as well as up to the minute current ones<-(like that) and there is no QUESTION it is the same person. I mean, she posted pictures of Jaclyn Smith as her, for crying out loud!

I've also stated that that after picture of her disturbs me, because it almost looks like a family member of mine.....yikes!

Wow, Barbara. I had never read that one before.


Nancy, The way Kimmer writes and what she says, people believe her because they DESPERATELY need to believe her. That's why they defend her so strongly and attack people that they normally wouldn't attack. They are THAT desperate. If Kimmer is a lie, then so is their dream of losing weight.

That's why they also don't believe the health problems related to her diet. They refuse to do it.


Man, I have always liked KajanDC and JuliaL...but after reading that...WOW! I have even greater respect.

At the time, I was off doing my own thing. I didn't get involved.

Were they right, or what?

[Tooter]

Originally Posted by anipomoni

Reminds me why I had so much respect for KajunDC and Julia. Great responses by them, and we all know it was not easy to stand up to Kimmer back then. She had such a following and such success () that it was hard to argue with her.

ETA: People you have to read the rest of that thread!

GMTA!

[Mayberryfan]

Originally Posted by DEEDLYNN

Lou,
<snip>
I'd say that most of the folks I know at KK, just have their nose to the grindstone trying to lose weight. Kinda fly under the radar--just in that, they post and encourage each other, but really don't get as NUTZ as I can. By NUTZ, I mean, I was more than happy to go out there and let my pic be seen.....until then...there hasn't been a soul in my life say I was attractive. Gotta admit, I liked the attention that was drawn to me...not in an arrogant way...it just felt good. So no...I didn't take it as disrespectful, it was a legitimate question and I'm not sure I have a good answer....but that's it in a nutshell. Dee

Aww, Dee. Many, many of us know that feeling. Attention DOES feel good. No shame in admitting that!

But, the BEST favor you can do for yourself is to spend a little time reading through the old Kimmer stuff here and evaluating it for yourself, with you eyes and your mind open.

[SydneyN]

That thread was an eye-opener, for sure! OMG!! And you guys are so right about KajunDC and JuliaL! They were so spot-on.

[Tooter]

Originally Posted by SydneyN

That thread was an eye-opener, for sure! OMG!! And you guys are so right about KajunDC and JuliaL! They were so spot-on.

That's what happens with the "Real Deal"! They both are.

[Larcana]

Sorry to be so late getting back to, was it 2big's question?
There is a hormonal influence over the gluconeogenisis/glycogenolysis that goes on in the liver.
Amino acids are classified as eihter glucogenic or ketogenic.
The glucogenic ones are: alanine, cysteine, glycine, serine, threonine. Thes are catabolised to form pyruvate or one of the intermediates of the citric acid/krebs cycle. This way we can get ATP quickly inside the cell.

The ketogenic ones are:leucine, lysine, phenphenyalanine, tryptophan, and tyrosine.
their catbolism creates either acetoacetate or or one of its precursers, acetyl CoA or acetoacetyl CoA. These give us ketone bodies.
Leucine and lysine are the only exclusive ketogenic amino acids found in proteins.

So, glucagon is a polypeptide hormone secreted by the alpha cells of the pancreas. Glucagon along with epinephrine, cortisol and growth hormone oppose the actions of insulin. Glucagon acts to maintain blood glucose levels by activation of hepatic (liver) glycogenolysis (breaking down glycogen) and gluconeogenesis (making glucose).

A decrease in blood glucose is the primary stimulus for glucagon release from the pancreas into the blood, then onto the liver.
When we eat a meal with protein we release both glucagon and insulin. The two walk a tightrope to keep us from overshooting either way.
They are both essentually turning on and off as needed.

When epinephrine is released during stressful situations, glucagon is the primary hormone released. Insulin is in fact suppressed.
So, if we are stressed while dieting and exercising we are primarily releasing glucagon.
What is glucagon's effect on carb metabolism? There is an immediate increase of blood glucose from breaking down glycogen from the liver not muscle, and an increase in gluconeogenesis in the liver.

What is the effect on fat metabolism? Glucagon favors the hepatic oxidation of fatty acids and the end result is ketone bodies. Lipolytic (fat breakdown) effect of glucagon in humans is limited.

What is the effect on protein metabolism? Glucagon increases the uptake of amino acids by the liver, resulting in increased availabilty of carbon for gluconeogenesis.

Did I answer the question?
Lauren

[NancyElle]

Originally Posted by Tooter

That's what happens with the "Real Deal"! They both are.

also very, very BRAVE, what with her following.....Braver than me, that's for sure. I just would lurk and watch it unfold. DIdn't even join the site, just watched from afar....

[Mayberryfan]

Dee,

Some may've have already suggested this to you, so I apologize if it's a repeat. You might want to read this reader's digest condensed version of the scam that is KK:
http://www.3fatchicks.com/Diets/Diet...f_a_Diet_Scam/

Also, this just occurred to me: Have you ever been warned or seen anyone warned by Kimmer about the Ducks? She always says that we're mean, nasty, and just a bunch of jealous haters. Aren't you now finding out that's not true?

What else has she lied to you about, then??

[golite]

Originally Posted by Larcana

Sorry to be so late getting back to, was it 2big's question?
There is a hormonal influence over the gluconeogenisis/glycogenolysis that goes on in the liver.
Amino acids are classified as eihter glucogenic or ketogenic.
The glucogenic ones are: alanine, cysteine, glycine, serine, threonine. Thes are catabolised to form pyruvate or one of the intermediates of the citric acid/krebs cycle. This way we can get ATP quickly inside the cell.

The ketogenic ones are:leucine, lysine, phenphenyalanine, tryptophan, and tyrosine.
their catbolism creates either acetoacetate or or one of its precursers, acetyl CoA or acetoacetyl CoA. These give us ketone bodies.
Leucine and lysine are the only exclusive ketogenic amino acids found in proteins.

So, glucagon is a polypeptide hormone secreted by the alpha cells of the pancreas. Glucagon along with epinephrine, cortisol and growth hormone oppose the actions of insulin. Glucagon acts to maintain blood glucose levels by activation of hepatic (liver) glycogenolysis (breaking down glycogen) and gluconeogenesis (making glucose).

A decrease in blood glucose is the primary stimulus for glucagon release from the pancreas into the blood, then onto the liver.
When we eat a meal with protein we release both glucagon and insulin. The two walk a tightrope to keep us from overshooting either way.
They are both essentually turning on and off as needed.

When epinephrine is released during stressful situations, glucagon is the primary hormone released. Insulin is in fact suppressed.
So, if we are stressed while dieting and exercising we are primarily releasing glucagon.
What is glucagon's effect on carb metabolism? There is an immediate increase of blood glucose from breaking down glycogen from the liver not muscle, and an increase in gluconeogenesis in the liver.

What is the effect on fat metabolism? Glucagon favors the hepatic oxidation of fatty acids and the end result is ketone bodies. Lipolytic (fat breakdown) effect of glucagon in humans is limited.

What is the effect on protein metabolism? Glucagon increases the uptake of amino acids by the liver, resulting in increased availabilty of carbon for gluconeogenesis.

Did I answer the question?
Lauren

You answered it for me, thanks! It sure is good having you here

[Nady]

Does anyone have a current copy of KK's TOS? I know for awhile there, Heidi was changing them almost daily to justify the bannings~ Might be nice for Dee to know if she's in any danger of following down that same road~
~~~N

[Larcana]

Thanks Golite, I usually just read along and watch in fascination! You know the name of this thread?
Har har,
Lauren

[2big4mysize]

Originally Posted by Larcana

Sorry to be so late getting back to, was it 2big's question?
There is a hormonal influence over the gluconeogenisis/glycogenolysis that goes on in the liver.
Amino acids are classified as eihter glucogenic or ketogenic.
The glucogenic ones are: alanine, cysteine, glycine, serine, threonine. Thes are catabolised to form pyruvate or one of the intermediates of the citric acid/krebs cycle. This way we can get ATP quickly inside the cell.

The ketogenic ones are:leucine, lysine, phenphenyalanine, tryptophan, and tyrosine.
their catbolism creates either acetoacetate or or one of its precursers, acetyl CoA or acetoacetyl CoA. These give us ketone bodies.
Leucine and lysine are the only exclusive ketogenic amino acids found in proteins.

So, glucagon is a polypeptide hormone secreted by the alpha cells of the pancreas. Glucagon along with epinephrine, cortisol and growth hormone oppose the actions of insulin. Glucagon acts to maintain blood glucose levels by activation of hepatic (liver) glycogenolysis (breaking down glycogen) and gluconeogenesis (making glucose).

A decrease in blood glucose is the primary stimulus for glucagon release from the pancreas into the blood, then onto the liver.
When we eat a meal with protein we release both glucagon and insulin. The two walk a tightrope to keep us from overshooting either way.
They are both essentually turning on and off as needed.

When epinephrine is released during stressful situations, glucagon is the primary hormone released. Insulin is in fact suppressed.
So, if we are stressed while dieting and exercising we are primarily releasing glucagon.
What is glucagon's effect on carb metabolism? There is an immediate increase of blood glucose from breaking down glycogen from the liver not muscle, and an increase in gluconeogenesis in the liver.

What is the effect on fat metabolism? Glucagon favors the hepatic oxidation of fatty acids and the end result is ketone bodies. Lipolytic (fat breakdown) effect of glucagon in humans is limited.

What is the effect on protein metabolism? Glucagon increases the uptake of amino acids by the liver, resulting in increased availabilty of carbon for gluconeogenesis.

Did I answer the question?
Lauren

Not really

see I got all that

BUT the enzyme needed for converting said glucose to glycogen ( that is a group of 6 glucose with a P molegules for those not knowing) ) is deactivated while glucose "burning" is going on so how does the liver fracturing amino acids in glucogenesis triggered by the low blood gluocse levels hormone glucagon allow glucose made by the liver during this process to replenish our glycogen stores as you said in the first post?

[Amyb1569]

Can anyone tell me how to contact a admin..I know how to contact Tom but are there any other admins that offer help or support?

[Nady]

You can PM Cheri~
~~~N

[2big4mysize]

Originally Posted by Awakened

thanks!
I was starting to panic with Ducky's site being deleted!!!

Does anyone remember the picture of the girl sitting on the edge of a swimming pool in a one piece "swim team" type of bathing suit? I've always wondered if she was real or not.

check HB's blogs the fakes are seperate from the unknown at this time ones

here are the unknown http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/bl...tml#comment227

here are the fake

http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/bl...s-stories.html

[Amyb1569]

Ok I am trying to find her to PM her..where is her avatar at so I can PM her?
Thanks Nady.

[Nady]

Originally Posted by Amyb1569

Ok I am trying to find her to PM her..where is her avatar at so I can PM her?
Thanks Nady.

http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/members/280.html
~~~N