Why the fascination with Kimmer? #17

[Larcana]

Sorry to stray OT. It's a good reminder to do our research and Dr. Atkins is still my hero.
Lauren

[Locarb4me]

Originally Posted by CrispyBread

Can't believe everything you read! LMAO!

True. Especially when it's written by a certain faux dieting guru who can't follow her own diet, eh?

Say, while you're here I'll ask the question that's been burning in our minds for a while now.

What happened to the awesome little announcement you were supposed to make around 4/30? I keep checking the Pinky Swear thread, but don't see anything from you that counts as newsworthy.

And GOAL by your birthday?

What year was that supposed to happen? 2015? Just wonderin' ya know. There are so many of us waiting to see you lose the weight this time. You know, cheering you on and all that

[NancyElle]

Originally Posted by This time

....My i forgot my manners Heidi

It's not even Friday!

[Amyb1569]

I hope this is oaky for me to bring up. But the idea of OT and not OT has me confused.
When we talk about Atkins and Diets....I kind of think that does help the anti KK issues. For example Dee. She had no idea about Atkins . She is or was a front page lady. She is someone who represents KK. She is here and is all of the sudden saying wow..I can eat that much and still lose as much or more then on KK food. Wow.
Isn't that a BIG part of the anti KK battle.
I know for me..that there are days when I see the scale going up..I think maybe I should go back to KK for just a few days...then 2big yells at me..( haha..joke)

[This time]

Hi NancyElle

[Amyb1569]

Can we pretend it is Friday? It is so much fun...woo hoo

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by NancyElle

It's not even Friday!

We're getting a two-fer this week! Everyone needs two Fridays, eh? (Like that Canuck-ism, SMP?)

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by Amyb1569

I hope this is oaky for me to bring up. But the idea of OT and not OT has me confused.
When we talk about Atkins and Diets....I kind of think that does help the anti KK issues. For example Dee. She had no idea about Atkins . She is or was a front page lady. She is someone who represents KK. She is here and is all of the sudden saying wow..I can eat that much and still lose as much or more then on KK food. Wow.
Isn't that a BIG part of the anti KK battle.
I know for me..that there are days when I see the scale going up..I think maybe I should go back to KK for just a few days...then 2big yells at me..( haha..joke)

Agreed, but I think the topic of Atkins is much more on-topic than some of the stuff we've been talking about. I don't mind the off topic stuff, but understand why it bothers some people.

As for Dee and Atkins, you have to remember that Heidi calls it "Fatkins" and that is the only exposure Dee has ever had to it. So I can understand why Dee didn't understand Atkins at all. I hope Tom and others don't mind our discussions about Atkins, ketogenics, and why it works.

[LoraJR72]

Originally Posted by CrispyBread

Can't believe everything you read! LMAO!

[Locarb4me]

Originally Posted by Amyb1569

I hope this is oaky for me to bring up. But the idea of OT and not OT has me confused.
When we talk about Atkins and Diets....I kind of think that does help the anti KK issues. For example Dee. She had no idea about Atkins . She is or was a front page lady. She is someone who represents KK. She is here and is all of the sudden saying wow..I can eat that much and still lose as much or more then on KK food. Wow.
Isn't that a BIG part of the anti KK battle.
I know for me..that there are days when I see the scale going up..I think maybe I should go back to KK for just a few days...then 2big yells at me..( haha..joke)

Amy, I think maybe it's sort of a gray area as to OT. I'm no moderator, but I think that any post that helps a person see the truth about KK and how bad it is, and leads them in a healthier direction is gonna be ok here.

I think where it ends up being *too OT* is once someone recognizes that they want to discuss other WOE or topics that they began here or saw brought up here - they probably should start another thread in the ML or somewhere other then FWK.

I'm as guilty as anyone of forgetting there is a whole huge forum out there to talk about the things we learn here or see mentioned here that don't DIRECTLY have to do with bringing down the Kimpire. Which is our stated objective, I do believe.

JMTCW

[Amyb1569]

Actually my DH said Heidi sure seems to hate you...I hope I do not come home and find you missing one day..or worse...hummm..
Come to think about it..I think he might be planning to get rid of me and blame Heidi for it.

This could be a BOOK..ha

[Larcana]

I just mean't I could talk about biochem all day. So I don't want to threadjack.
You're right, it does help new folks to see the difference between Skamkins and a really well researched WOE.
Plus I just caught up on #17.
Lauren

[Amyb1569]

Lauren,
I did not mean when you posted and said it was OT..
It has been mentioned alot this week..
BTW Nice to see you Lauren.

[Larcana]

Nice to see you too...I thought it was OT. Anyhow, my two cents here: I falsely thought KK was the same only lower fat, than Atkins and I didn't bother to read the book. I thought I knew. Mea culpa. Eventuall I read the book and boy! was I ever given an education!
Lauren

[Madam De Leon]

I hope one of the admins will correct me if I'm way off base here, but I honestly think that talking about Atkins (or south beach, or neanderthal, or protein power, etc) in the context of explaining how a healthy low carb diet actually works, as opposed to how Heidi has portrayed low carb eating and ketosis through KK, and claims it works - IS on topic, especially when we're talking to a current KK member about the differences between the two ways of eating.

I would consider the OT posts to be those that are really just chit chat among friends. Nothing against talking about cats, cakes, the weather, or any of those things, and we have a separate thread for that now - but I can see where someone coming in here to find out the latest news on WFK might have a hard time wading through all that to get to the real news, especially if they're on dial-up.

So when we talk about the need for essential fatty acids (EFAs) in the diet, gluconeogenisis, satiation with sufficient fats, how SNATT is not a normal ketogenic reaction, whether you can stall yourself out with too much protein, etc. - I believe it really is still on topic.

Having said that, sometimes even talk about cakes can be on topic, if we're talking about the LC cakes we can enjoy, and still lose weight on a bona fide LC diet, rather than denying and starving ourselves to lose weight. Or even talk about cats, if it involves how cats need a diet comprised of fats and protein because they're obligate carnivores - and how that relates to what's healthy for humans to eat, as opposed to a nutrient deficient diet such as KK.

I think it just requires a bit of discretion on the part of the posters here to realize when their discussion is wandering off into OT-land, and really should be continued in the chit-chat thread instead of here.

[Amyb1569]

Okay but I am glad we started this after my BDAY cause I wanted all my BDAY post...lol

[Larcana]

Myself, I read the thread daily usually and I like the chi-chat, etc....but it may bother others. There is a wealth of info on this thread. I agree that it is helpful distinguish between the proper way to eat low carb and anything else we've had passed off as lowcarb.
Lauren

[CrispyBread]

Originally Posted by Locarb4me

True. Especially when it's written by a certain faux dieting guru who can't follow her own diet, eh?

Say, while you're here I'll ask the question that's been burning in our minds for a while now.

What happened to the awesome little announcement you were supposed to make around 4/30? I keep checking the Pinky Swear thread, but don't see anything from you that counts as newsworthy.

And GOAL by your birthday?

What year was that supposed to happen? 2015? Just wonderin' ya know. There are so many of us waiting to see you lose the weight this time. You know, cheering you on and all that

I do not know what you are talking 'bout! As I said, you can not believe everything you read....especailly here! Everyone makes us things and then believe it. LMAO If you have access to the site....go ask her not me!

My response to LEAN PROTEIN you all have been discussing:

Kimkins lists fatty meats as part of their program and then you make up that Kimmer said to eat meats that have less than 3 grams of fat per serving. (This is something I can not find anywhere on the Kimkins site. Please direct me to the post.) It is probably someone else's interpretation or it was made up by someone who took the diet to the extreme. Lean, according to what I understand, is to cut off all the visible fat before cooking. The only required countin' that is done on Kimkins is to keep carbs under 20.

[tiggerr]

Originally Posted by CrispyBread

Lean, according to what I understand, is to cut off all the visible fat before cooking.

I don't think that is the 'lean' Kimkins advocates.


Lean per the Mayo clinic website:

Lean meat. One serving contains 0 to 3 grams of fat and 45 calories.
Medium-fat meat. One serving contains 4 to 7 grams of fat and 75 calories.
High-fat meat. One serving contains 8 or more grams of fat and 100 calories.

Madame de Leon posted that on page 8.
Not made up.

[This time]

Originally Posted by Amyb1569

Can we pretend it is Friday? It is so much fun...woo hoo

I like your way of thinking

[LChottie07]

Sorry... couldn't resist... but in Heidi's own words... (quoted from email conversation with KK Admins)

Originally Posted by Kimmer

"I cannot support a twisted version of Kimkins that turns into a mini-South Beach....."

"I disagree about WLS and Medifast. WLS patients regain for the same reasons people on all diets do. They still have psychological needs for favorite foods and stop the 500 calorie program. Even with a stomach opening of .75" diameter they can eat milkshakes, sugar cereal & milk, chips, alcoholic drinks, cheese, mashed potatoes & gravy, candy, etc. Both Al Roker and Carnie Wilson said in TV interviews that they started gaining because they went back to their old eating habits.

I don't believe in starvation mode. I cannot and will not say anything about minimum calories. A grilled chicken breast and a 1 cup USDA serving of mixed greens is 200 calories. It just is. Adding fats or starches isn't "healthier" to up the calories. "

When asking about my stall... I was told to CUT OUT pork (I'd had a lean trimmed pork roast).

My thoughts... if Kimkins changes or backpeddals anymore, then I believe that maybe the Atkins corporation and/or South Beach or Mediteranian or Hampton's diets should be looking for plagiarism.

What MADE it Kimkins and different from the rest was the lack of fat and the low cal aspect that "naturally" came with it (attributed to natural ketosis as an appetite supressant). Heidi was very clear that if you decided to incorporate added fat into your diet then it should be no more than 2 tbls a day. 2 tbls, measured not heaping, of LIGHT mayo or LIGHT salad dressing never both in the same day... Use cooking spray instead of butter or oil to save on fat calories...

Not made up... not taken to extremes. Followed as instructed.

[Katinsac]

Christin..ITA! These new people really don't know what was pushed in the beginning. The diet today IS NOT what we were given and told.

[tiggerr]

Also (bolding mine)

LEAN PROTEIN
Bake, boil, broil, grill, poach, roast, steam, nonstick spray

Eggs

* Save fat calories by mixing 2 egg whites + 1 whole egg for scrambles or omelettes
* Choose low fat cooking methods and low fat mayonnaise to cut calories
* Eggbeaters are excellent


Chicken & Turkey

* Choose any fresh or frozen poultry that is not breaded
* Remove the skin before cooking
* White meat is lower in fat, but dark meat is fine
* Rotisserie chicken may be allowed, beware of injected marinades
* Duck and goose are fatty choices, enjoy as a rare treat and remove skin



Pork & Lamb

* Choose tenderloin, cutlets, extra lean ham or Canadian bacon
* Trim all visible fat
* Bacon and Sausage should be very occasional treats
* Turkey bacon or chicken sausage are better low calorie choices


Beef

* Beef should be eaten rarely for fastest weight loss results
* Even the leanest cut is 30% fat by calories
* Choose cuts labeled “round”, “tenderloin”, “flank” or “London broil”
* Trim all visible fat


Game

* Venison, bear, elk, bison, ostrich and buffalo are excellent lean protein choices!
* Cook by any low fat method listed above

[This time]

CrispyBread/Heidi...You know the old saying...fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me!!! Well the ladies on this thread will not be fooled twice!!!!!

[Mayberryfan]

Crispy~

Seriously, who do you think you're kidding? You are NO match for the Ducks and that should be incredibly obvious to even you, by now. Do you think by coming in here, you're gonna keep us from gathering more evidence against you to send to John? Don't bet your paypal account on it!

[CrispyBread]

Originally Posted by tiggerr

Lean per the Mayo clinic website:<