Why the fascination with Kimmer? #17

[Madam De Leon]

Dee - Smileys are easy

After typing a little bit in the quick reply message box (which you're apparently using, since you can't see the smileys to use them), go to the bottom of the quick reply message block, click on "go advanced."

Alternately, on the bottom left of the posts, above the quick reply box, click on "post reply".

Either of those methods willl take you to a page that gives you a bigger text box to type in, and the smileys will be in a box on the right hand side of the page.

[DEEDLYNN]

testing..... Hey...thanks....Madam....

[DEEDLYNN]

What's the difference between quick reply and post.

[LINC]

I think pretty much what you just experienced. Post has more options right there for you. Plus, you can quote with post.

Lou

[Sherrie_lc]

Originally Posted by Katinsac

AmyB...I'm sure Cleo can answer your questions better than I but I use a cast iron skillet all the time, love them! Once they are "seasoned" and you use them, they are very easy to clean. Most of the time all you do is wipe them out. Shouldn't use soap and if you do, you need to reseason them.

As far as snack food, Cleo is the Atkins expert at this time but I'd suggest chicken wings, legs and theghs (sp), veggies and hard boiled eggs. We will see what the expert comes up with, lol.

I have a small cast iron skillet as well as a massive one thats coated in enamel, the enamel gives a non stick coating but it is a pain in the a$$ because it cracks and comes off. Cast iron skillet is easy to use and clean but always make sure it drys quickly because it can rust. If you have it upside down on a rack make sure no water sits on the top etc

But that said, rust is easy to clean too

If anyone wants some snack ideas I made up a page with a list ages ago, let me know if you need plus if anyone has more ideas I'd love to hear them

[Sherrie_lc]

Originally Posted by wifezilla

Can't figure out a PM, can't figure out how to find other threads in the forum, but can figure out how to get to THIS thread (which is pretty buried) and argue for days about the wonders of a starvation diet. INTERESTING!

Yes you see, she's a computer dummy like someone else we all know and love!

[DEEDLYNN]

Sherri....I'd love to see your snack list. I'm getting ready to head out to play volleyball. Not sure if you can email me or not or how to get it to me...but I'll be back on later.

Thanks,
Dee

[cleochatra]

Hey, thanks for calling me an expert! That made me smile. 2big is really an expert, and sherrie is, too. I just like to eat stuff and have been following Atkins since 1984. LOL!

I remember low-carb products they don't even make anymore. Remember D-Zerta?! I am old. Old! OLD!

[This time]

Originally Posted by Sherrie_lc

Yes you see, she's a computer dummy like someone else we all know and love!

[Amyb1569]

2big...I know you know your stuff...I think we are over due for a phone chat again. And guess what..I am more open to listening to adding stuff back in now...you will not have to get stern with me...lol

Thanks everyone for the pan advice...I am going to buy one..Tomorrow. Do you only cook meat in them?

And I am going to make some great chicken wings..I am ready to get back on track...
My scale is laughing at me..

[SMP]

Originally Posted by Sherrie_lc

Yes you see, she's a computer dummy like someone else we all know and love!

Hey, y'all talking about me? I can barely stumble around here, until some took pity on me and led me by the hand. (Thanks, Cherie and others.) Google cut through a lot of red tape to bring her directly here. Nothing sinister in that. That's how I manage to get around as well as I do. But I ain't starting no blog!

[This time]

Originally Posted by Amyb1569

2big...I know you know your stuff...I think we are over due for a phone chat again. And guess what..I am more open to listening to adding stuff back in now...you will not have to get stern with me...lol

Thanks everyone for the pan advice...I am going to buy one..Tomorrow. Do you only cook meat in them?

And I am going to make some great chicken wings..I am ready to get back on track...
My scale is laughing at me..

Amy, at least your scale is laughing at you, mine groans

[Amyb1569]

SMP...

Okay if you force me..I will do a blog for you..you know I hate to blog...lol

[Sherrie_lc]

Cleo--- in answer to your question...
Here is a typical day for me.
7:30 am--- EAS carb control shake or Stallone protein pudding
9:30 am--- Turkey sausage links (scrambled eggs if I so desire--but usually not)
noon--- chicken or tuna and a small salad (usually make my own dressing with mustard and Davinci SF pancake syrup--kinda a honey mustard) SF jello
2:30 pm --turkey pepperoni and string cheese or
Stallone protein pudding or
carb control yogurt
5:30 pm --chicken or fish (very rarely beef--but sometimes)
more often than not..smashed cauliflower

snack-- turkey pepperoni...laughing cow cheese

Originally Posted by cleochatra

Girl, that sounds a lot like Atkins or South Beach. Why no beef? Do you prefer fowl and fish? I am a turkey fan, too! That's some good stuff right there.

The oopsies and crullers are good stuff. South Beachers often make the oopsies with the ricotta cheese if they feel the cream cheese has too much fat. Here is the zucchini crust and the cauliflower crust. There are other recipes you can use the dough for as well (lasagna, taco bowls, taco shells, enchiladas, lasagna roll-ups, you name it!). I have to keep working in those vegetables, but I wouldn't have lasted this long on any low carb without being able to have pizza, lasagna and Mexican food.

(Sorry for showing up so late. Was running errands most of the morning then hubby came home and now I'm multi tasking the home schooling before other kids get home).

Okay I'm gonna play devils advocate and hey maybe you guys do Atkins differently in the US because I couldn't count the amount of Americans on both my hands whom have mentioned that Dee's menu looks like Atkins *shrug* but that doesn't look like Atkins to me???

[vernswifevickie]

Originally Posted by This time

Amy, at least your scale is laughing at you, mine groans

I am not on speaking terms with mine...in fact...we're separated and considering divorce

[Amyb1569]

Oh mine laughs and I moan..it is not pretty right now...Oh well..right?

[This time]

Originally Posted by vernswifevickie

I am not on speaking terms with mine...in fact...we're separated and considering divorce

[This time]

Originally Posted by Amyb1569

Oh mine laughs and I moan..it is not pretty right now...Oh well..right?

[Madam De Leon]

Originally Posted by 2big4mysize

Madam De Leon

I've got a copy I used in my discussion of the eating plan on my blog with TT and on another page with DANA.

Dee
neither Turkey sausage links, stallone pudding nor turkey pepperoni are a lean protein. However the fat content in them maybe what is keeping you healthy right now.

Since kimkins is lean proteins most true kimkineetes are deficeint in essential fatty acids and fats in their diet something the human body can not simple correct by making a withdrawal from its fat deposits as Kimmer has stated over and over. That was what caused many of the "medical issues" true kimkins dieters experienced.

~snipped~

I found this on the Mayo Clinic website:

Lean meat. One serving contains 0 to 3 grams of fat and 45 calories.
Medium-fat meat. One serving contains 4 to 7 grams of fat and 75 calories.
High-fat meat. One serving contains 8 or more grams of fat and 100 calories.

About the only meats that meet their definition of "lean" are boneless, skinless chicken breast, skinless turkey breast, water packed tuna, and other very low fat, skinless fish - based on a 4 oz serving.

For the most accurate nutrition stat information, I look things up on nutritiondata.com.

(Give me the high fat meat any day!)

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by Locarb4me

That is so Kimmer. She doesn't even try to talk like a guy.

She never has. I remember once when she was impersonating a guy and gave a menu - something with a "dollop of sour cream". Guys don't use the word "dollop"!

Originally Posted by Sherrie_lc

Okay I'm gonna play devils advocate and hey maybe you guys do Atkins differently in the US because I couldn't count the amount of Americans on both my hands whom have mentioned that Dee's menu looks like Atkins *shrug* but that doesn't look like Atkins to me???

I think most people on Atkins do eat more vegetables, but I think what everyone is saying is that cheese, low carb products, and processed meats are not something that the Kimmer advocated. If she does now, it's because of the pressure she's feeling.

[LINC]

Originally Posted by Sherrie_lc

Okay I'm gonna play devils advocate and hey maybe you guys do Atkins differently in the US because I couldn't count the amount of Americans on both my hands whom have mentioned that Dee's menu looks like Atkins *shrug* but that doesn't look like Atkins to me???

It only looks like Atkins to me because while I was doing Atkins I quit smoking and I hit peri-menopause. At the same time. My metabolism came to a screeching halt. The advice I got was to eat leaner meats, cut out the fattier things (cheese, butter, cream etc) and pretty much start watching my calories. I'd have to check, but I think that's even the advice Dr. Atkins gives in the book if you're not losing. So, that's what became Atkins to me. It eventually morphed to WW.

Lou

[BamaGal]

KIMKINS DIET
The original Kimkins Diet


As much lean protein as desired from the Kimkins Food List
0-20 total carbs per day(no fiber or sugar alcohol subtraction)
0-3 cups List 1 veggies per day OR
0-2 cups List 1 veggies + 0-1 cup List 2 veggies per day
Use minimal fat to make your menu work (careful, calories count!)
No alcohol or low carb products (sugar free candy, energy bars, ice cream, frozen meals)
Your appetite will reduce naturally after 3-5 days
Take a complete multivitamin each day plus other desired supplements


KIMMER EXPERIMENT (K/E)
K/E is used to reach ketosis quickly or as a jumpstart for other Kimkins Options


As much lean protein as desired from the Kimkins Food List
Minimal low-carb condiments and spices may be used sparingly
No alcohol, no cheese, no fatty meats, no fats, no veggies
Your appetite will drop naturally after 3-5 days
Take a complete multivitamin each day plus other desired supplements
You may remain on K/E as long as desired

KIMKINS BOOT CAMP
The most popular Kimkins Option!
30 minutes of intense daily exercise required


Breakfast
Up to 2 eggs (cooked without fat)
Up to 1/2 cup List 2 veggies
Up to 2 oz lean ham or other lean protein (raw/cured weight)
Unlimited non-calorie beverage

Lunch
Up to 4 oz lean protein (raw weight)
Up to 2 cups mixed greens + Wishbone Spritzer dressing (or caloric equivalent)
Unlimited non-calorie beverage

Dinner
Up to 4 oz lean protein (raw weight)
Up to 2 cups mixed greens + Wishbone Spritzer dressing (or caloric equivalent)
Unlimited non-calorie beverage

Take a complete multivitamin each day plus other desired supplements

VEGETARIAN OPTION
Vegetarian products have higher carbs so a calorie limit is suggested
Aim for no more than 1000 calories per day

Daily Limits


0-20 total carbs from all sources, no fiber subtraction
0-3 servings of protein substitutes including tofu, eggs, egg substitutes, protein powders
0-2 servings of higher carb choices including tempeh, Gardenburger and Boca products
0-2 servings of dairy choices including yogurt, soft cheese, hard cheese
0-3 cups of List 1 veggies
0-1 cups of List 2 veggies

Use minimal fat for cooking
Unlimited non-calorie beverages
A serving is per the product label
Use low calorie salad dressings and "light" butter substitutes (no trans fats)
Take a complete multivitamin each day plus other desired supplements
Due to higher carbs in vegetarian products, appetite reduction may not occur


MEAL REPLACEMENT SHAKE OPTION
Designed for convenience, automatic portion control and error proof


Up to 800 calories per day
Up to 16 total carbs per day
Up to 80 protein grams per day 0-4 RTD (Ready-to-Drink) meal replacements shakes per day or
0-4 homemade protein shakes per day (15+ grams protein per shake)


RTD shakes should not exceed 200 calories and 4 carbs each
Protein powder should not exceed 200 calories and 4 carbs per serving
Protein powder may be mixed with any very low calorie beverage
Do not use milk for mixing protein powder
You may prefer to have 2 shake meals + 1 Kimkins food meal for variety
Take a complete multivitamin each day plus other desired supplements


Kimkins Cycling Option
Perfect for members who want more variety

Week 1, 3, 5, 7, 9 ...
Choose your favorite Kimkins Diet and be strict!

Week 2, 4, 6, 8, 10 ...
Choose your favorite low calorie or low carb diet and be strict!
Pick your favorite diets and alternate weekly.
You may want to pick a different Kimkins Diet for each "Kimkins" week.
Take a complete multivitamin each day plus other desired supplements.



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KIMKINS FOODS GUIDELINES


LEAN PROTEIN
Bake, boil, broil, grill, poach, roast, steam, nonstick spray

Eggs

* Save fat calories by mixing 2 egg whites + 1 whole egg for scrambles or omelettes
* Choose low fat cooking methods and low fat mayonnaise to cut calories
* Eggbeaters are excellent


Chicken & Turkey

* Choose any fresh or frozen poultry that is not breaded
* Remove the skin before cooking
* White meat is lower in fat, but dark meat is fine
* Rotisserie chicken may be allowed, beware of injected marinades
* Duck and goose are fatty choices, enjoy as a rare treat and remove skin


Fish & Seafood

* Choose any type, non-breaded
* Choose water-packed canned tuna or crab
* Shellfish has carbs so figure them into your daily carb totals
* Shrimp should be prepared without butter sauces
* Use low carb sauces very sparingly


Pork & Lamb

* Choose tenderloin, cutlets, extra lean ham or Canadian bacon
* Trim all visible fat
* Bacon and Sausage should be very occasional treats
* Turkey bacon or chicken sausage are better low calorie choices


Beef

* Beef should be eaten rarely for fastest weight loss results
* Even the leanest cut is 30% fat by calories
* Choose cuts labeled “round”, “tenderloin”, “flank” or “London broil”
* Trim all visible fat


Game

* Venison, bear, elk, bison, ostrich and buffalo are excellent lean protein choices!
* Cook by any low fat method listed above


VEGETABLES
List 1


* All lettuces
* Alfalfa sprouts
* Bok choy
* Celery
* Cucumber
* Endive
* Fennel
* Fresh herbs
* Mixed salad greens
* Mushrooms
* Radishes
* Spinach (raw)

List 2

* Artichoke hearts
* Asparagus
* Bean sprouts
* Broccoli
* Brussels sprouts
* Cabbage
* Cauliflower
* Chinese pea pods
* Courgettes
* Cooked greens
* Eggplant
* Garlic
* Green beans
* Leeks
* Okra
* Onion
* Peppers
* Snow pea pods
* Summer squash
* Tomato
* Turnips
* Zucchini

List 3
Maintenance Choices

* Beets
* Carrots
* Corn
* Fruit
* Garbanzo beans
* Hominy
* Lima beans
* Peas
* Potatoes
* Pumpkin
* Rhubarb
* Winter squash

MEAL REPLACEMENTS & SNACKS
No other substitutions!

* Low carb protein shakes (1-4 carbs) as a meal replacement
* Stallone brand protein pudding as a meal replacement
* Dannon Carb & Sugar Control yogurt (3 carb brand, limit 1 per day)
* Part skim string cheese (limit 1 per day)
* Sugar free gelatin (limit 4 oz per day, no whipped topping)
* Homemade or purchased sugar free popsicle


BEVERAGES
Unlimited!

* Water (plain, flavored, mineral, anything 0 calorie)
* Coffee & Teas (artificial sweeteners OK, no regular creamers)
* 0 Calorie Energy Drinks
* Crystal Light
* Diet soft drinks

[Madam De Leon]

Originally Posted by Sherrie_lc

Okay I'm gonna play devils advocate and hey maybe you guys do Atkins differently in the US because I couldn't count the amount of Americans on both my hands whom have mentioned that Dee's menu looks like Atkins *shrug* but that doesn't look like Atkins to me???

It looks a lot more like Atkins than KK to me - Heidi gives a very specific list of "lean meats" from which to choose (unless that's changed too), and as I pointed out above, only the ones on the list above are indeed considered lean by the definition of 0-3 g fats per 4 oz serving.

Yes, Atkins would make sure you added in enough additional fats from fattier meats, butter, olive oil, etc, to at very minimum reach your BMR (basal metabolic rate) in calories. It's not "all the fat and protein you can stuff in your mouth with no veggies", as many people in the general public seem to think. (who have never read the book, they just heard how to do Atkins from a friend of a friend who did it) He set up very specific amounts of veggies that must be eaten each day, put limits on cheese and cream, then allowed meat and fats until you were satiated but not stuffed.

He also said that you don't need to count calories, but also that calories do count.

In other words, if you find you're not losing just counting carbs and letting the fats and protein fall where they may, check and see how many calories you're really eating on a daily basis too, just to make sure you're not going under your BMR, nor are ridiculously high on calories, because you can stall out by going too low in calories, just as going far to high in calories can stall you.