Why the fascination with Kimmer? #16

[rebel]

Originally Posted by Magicsmom

Hi Kat! Kat got your tongue?

[CarolynF]

Good grief..This reminds of me of the Fluffybear incident we had in the past. This thread is not about Dee (although we all wish her the best).

[mrsmenopausal]

Originally Posted by DEEDLYNN

my daughter is 22....thanks for the concern...it's overwhelming. LOL.

That's good to know. The health of a 22 year old isn't anything to scoff at, either. What about your elderly mother?

Why are you not answering my questions? Is it that you don't have a good answer?

I'm not here to amuse you, Dee, and I take offense to you acting as if you're the great debater who is amused by the lowly likes of someone such as myself. I'm not an idiot. I'm not looking for a financial gain. I'm not making jokes.

I also take offense to your multiple examples of hypocrisy. You want from others here what you yourself are not willing to give. You call out others on standards you have yet to be able to hold yourself to. You speak of respect, assumptions, and more. Infractions of which you are personally acquainted with.

As for what others are getting from this, you assume it's about money (but you hate assumptions). You forget that a very large amount of those involved in informing others of Heidi Diaz's fraud and the dangers/risks of following her diet are not even a part of the lawsuit. You can belittle the efforts of those trying to keep others from being harmed by Kimkins, but that doesn't negate the facts.

[mrsmenopausal]

Originally Posted by DEEDLYNN

hmmmmmmmmm used....I volunteered...Pretty proud of my success. Continue making assumptions. You know what assumptions are made of.

How about you tell us what assumptions are made of, after all you are big on assuming.

[Katinsac]

"what about the folks in the lawsuit..what are they getting out of it. ...ah..yea....looking for money."

If you think the lawsuit is about money, then you have been listening to Heidi too long. THERE IS NO MONEY!! Ask Heidi...she spent it on a house, cars and suckers (affiliates) who promote her WOE to bring in more for her to hide.

I do not care about the money and I do not EXPECT to get any money....that is not what the lawsuit is about. The lawsuit is about the truth and the truth has come out and more to come. Think what you want (as I know you will...more power to ya).

So, Dee....when the websit and your support group are gone...where will you go? Back to your blog for support? Please be careful of those anonymous comments. Like you, I don't hide and am using the same name I used at KK but some people do not have the guts to admit who they are when they comment.

[DEEDLYNN]

Honey--no and no

Mrs. Meno--don't think you are an idiot. Don't think I'm a great debator. I'm not sure what on earth question you or anyone has asked that I haven't answered. You may not have liked the answer, but I think I've answered them. My mother would be highly offended at the term "elderly" (saying that laughingly not snidely--she's pretty much a spring chicken for her age. Not many her age still go snow skiing, have taken pilots lessons, etc.).

The thread is not about me. I would have preferred to be left out of it, but everyone is "fair" game to this crowd. Even this girl from HICKTOWN, OH. If you don't agree with this crowd...you are the anti-christ.

And, I have said repeatedly, not everyone is here about money. Read my posts. Read my blog. I've said it over and over...But the lawsuit was started....for money. So if you support the lawsuit, you are supporting someone looking for a lottery windfall when the rest of us have to work at it. Some mistakenly thought the lawsuit was about criminal charges and Heidi going to jail. They were waiting for the judge to put her in "jail". That's not what this suit is about. It's about MONEY.

For the record, they could have filed an injunction asking for an action rather than money. But they didn't do that. They requested monetary damages.

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by DEEDLYNN

It was because I knew what your response would be. No I don't use diversion. Not in the least.

But I did miss a question. But again, one that I've already answered..I don't weigh or measure anything. I count carbs. If I have a chicken breast. I eate the chicken breast whether it is 4 oz or 6 oz or 8 oz.

Toot....I don't have time for games either, but I do have time to stand up for myself when the "bullies" attack.

And, by the way...I've asked repeatedly about the real basis of the controversy....someone wanting to win the lottery in a lawsuit. Which is never gonna happen.

And yes, I have told my daughter about KK and she is attempting to follow the program and my 75 year old mother. So yes, I'm proud of it. As far as others, I have said the same thing that I have said out here. It's not for everyone and it is controversial. I tell people if they are going to the site, check it out, but also know that some have issues with it. Tell them to be informed before they make a decision. Because I think we are adults that can make our own DECISIONS and be RESPONSIBLE for them. Does anyone here tell both sides of the story. Nope, not that I can see.

A blink on the homepage. Yep...a blink that got someone's attention out here, and it was a gonna be a blink before I ever made the page. I was told that the HOMEPAGE was being re-done and she wanted me there for a week or two. Long enough to get some "moles" attention. Long enough for the nay sayers and haters to have plenty to say about it. Long enough to be important enough to google my screen name and guess what, long enough to receive several dozen emails about what an inspiration that I am. Long enough for people to come to me to ask for advice. Long enough....yep, just a blink, but long enough.

You guys are a HOOT!

No one expects to win the lottery in this lawsuit. What we want is your hero out of business - period! You are sounding more and more like Heidi with every post.

The "bullies" never attacked you. If you think mention of your name is bullying, you need to acquaint yourself with a dictionary.

You have asked and we have answered about the basis of the controversy. If you don't get it, there is nothing we can do. We cannot impart to you a sense of right and wrong. That was your mama's job.

Why do you have to keep repeating yourself? Don't you think we understood you the first time?

[DEEDLYNN]

now...my mama....LMAO

[HoneyBee2]

Dee- I thought of a three more questions....

• Why will you not quote the post that has all the falsehoods, because no one else can find it- since you seem to have read it, then why not quote it or even cut n paste?

• Why do you keep using the phrase "KIMMERS"?

• Is this done as some type of Search engine optimization (SEO) and a term that is going to be used in some marketing of kimkins, to your knowledge?

It is not a simple slip of not using a possessive apostrophe, because you are not using it to say Kimmer's. Some of your quoted examples below-
-you don't have to l ike KIMMERS or KK
-I agree with what KIMMERS allegedly did
- Kimmers admitted that she lied
- Someone asked me if I thought KIMMERS was sincere in her apology.
- I don't give Kimmers 100% credit for my hard work.

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by mrsmenopausal

As for what others are getting from this, you assume it's about money (but you hate assumptions). You forget that a very large amount of those involved in informing others of Heidi Diaz's fraud and the dangers/risks of following her diet are not even a part of the lawsuit. You can belittle the efforts of those trying to keep others from being harmed by Kimkins, but that doesn't negate the facts.

Yeah, I'm looking for great financial gain. I guess that explains it. A whopping big $14.95 due to my account for money returned from the great scammer. I can hardly wait! Honey, book a weekend at the Four Seasons!

[mrsmenopausal]

DEEDLYNN;10295198] Mrs. Meno--don't think you are an idiot. Don't think I'm a great debator. I'm not sure what on earth question you or anyone has asked that I haven't answered. You may not have liked the answer, but I think I've answered them. My mother would be highly offended at the term "elderly" (saying that laughingly not snidely--she's pretty much a spring chicken for her age. Not many her age still go snow skiing, have taken pilots lessons, etc.).

Here ya go (again): You didn't answer this:

Should those that are thinking of purchasing that product know it was fraudulently advertised and what can happen if they use it? Should it be taken off the market because great hair isn't worth the risk of becoming ill?
from my analogy.

You didn't answer this:

what about those children not fortunate enough to have adult supervision? Does Heidi's responsibility come into play then?

If you don't agree with this crowd...you are the anti-christ.

What are you if you don't agree with Heidi Diaz?

And, I have said repeatedly, not everyone is here about money. Read my posts. Read my blog. I've said it over and over...But the lawsuit was started....for money. So if you support the lawsuit, you are supporting someone looking for a lottery windfall when the rest of us have to work at it. Some mistakenly thought the lawsuit was about criminal charges and Heidi going to jail. They were waiting for the judge to put her in "jail". That's not what this suit is about. It's about MONEY.

For the record, they could have filed an injunction asking for an action rather than money. But they didn't do that. They requested monetary damages.

Why did Heidi Diaz use fake pictures of herself? Why did Heidi Diaz lie and make up success stories and accompany them with stolen Russian bride pictures? Why did Heidi Diaz lie about her weight loss, results, and maintenance? Would it be for MONEY? If you truly believe the lawsuit is about money and you have issues with that why then are Heidi Diaz's actions excusable? Because you've lost weight? Don't you see that as rather self-centered?

If you are right and the lawsuit is about money, like you claim, then one person will be affected financially when she is made to pay back that money to those she bilked out of a lifetime membership with her fraud and heavy handed bannings (a service those members paid for but did not receive).

That's one person affected in comparison to thousands of people risking their health by Heidi Diaz's fraud and those that support it.

To support, in the face of such vast information about the dangers of VLC diets, the personal accounts of those that have had health issues, eating disorder issues, have lost the memberships they paid for simply for asking questions or stating health concerns, etc is extremely self-serving, IMO.

[LosingToLive]

thank you HoneyBee, I was wondering the same thing.

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

Dee- I thought of a three more questions....

• Why will you not quote the post that has all the falsehoods, because no one else can find it- since you seem to have read it, then why not quote it or even cut n paste?

• Why do you keep using the phrase "KIMMERS"?

• Is this done as some type of Search engine optimization (SEO) and a term that is going to be used in some marketing of kimkins, to your knowledge?

It is not a simple slip of not using a possessive apostrophe, because you are not using it to say Kimmer's. Some of your quoted examples below-
-you don't have to l ike KIMMERS or KK
-I agree with what KIMMERS allegedly did
- Kimmers admitted that she lied
- Someone asked me if I thought KIMMERS was sincere in her apology.
- I don't give Kimmers 100% credit for my hard work.

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by DEEDLYNN

now...my mama....LMAO

Either she didn't teach it, or you rebelled against it. One way or the other, you are not showing much moral character to keep saying you don't understand the basis of the controversy.

[SMP]

Originally Posted by DEEDLYNN

oh yeah...I'm here for my daily dose of comedy...to see the "hidden" language, to see how "nice" you all really are. To see how I'm the one name calling, when the welcome wagon was rolled up to me hurling insults and one line zingers. All I did was come out to see what the hub bub was about. Yep. I'm here, but then again, your in my space too...aren't you.

Hi Dee, y'know, blanket statements tend to come back to bite one when s/he least expects it. You have included me in your "all" above, and to the best of my knowledge, I have never written to or about you. But if one is tarred with the same brush as the company one keeps, I'll take the duck feathers, thanks.

So I'm here laughing. There's not one person here that has had the ability to have an adult conversation about the points that I have made.

Adult conversations are a 2-way street.

BTW....since any low carb site is about support....I'll share something with you that was shared with me. The NUWAVE oven. May want to check it out. Goes perfectly with a low carb diet. (See I actually like to share valuable information--or at least something that was valuable for me. I would much more prefer to share low carbing tips than hurl insults & mud sling--doesn't really matter if you are counting 20 carbs or 200 carbs, we can all benefit by shared tips.) Who knows....maybe someone will share something meaningful with me. (but I guess I better not hold my breath).

Doggone, Dee, now I've figured out why you're so upset with us! You took the wrong turn when you entered LCF! The support for all low carb styles, the main recipe boards, discovering new tools to share to make low carbing easier - they're everywhere BUT here (although some sneaks by occasionally.)

Let me reiterate - this is the Fascination With Kimmer (FWK) thread! Its purpose has evolved into a multi-headed spear - to expose Heidi Diaz fully -to recoup the monetary losses suffered by her fraudulent scam - to raise awareness of her dangerous diet to the point where her site is shut down (and incidentally , to alert and possibly rescue those desperate souls who would trade years of their lives for getting thin.) Is it less gentle than the other threads on LCF? Yes. For some reason, people whose sensibilities, along with their wallets and thyroids, have been assaulted by Heidi Diaz , take it personally. They refuse to act like doormats any longer, and if there's more than a hint of anger in their sarcasm and jokes, well, it's understandable. Because many have contributed directly to the lawsuit with info thrashed out here, the admins have let this unique thread continue.

So Dee, go back to the gateway to LCF, and choose the Main Lobby. It's a great place to start sharing, and you'll be most welcome. (You are, or could be, here as well on FWK, but there's this saying about heat and the kitchen ...)

[Madam De Leon]

I can assure you I"m not in this for the Money, especially since I never joined KK, and therefore can't even be part of the lawsuit. I'm not the only one involved in this who never joined and is therefore not part of the lawsuit. We gain NOTHING from this.

But we can recognize a dangerous diet scam that needs to be shut down - that's why we're involved in this.

Think what you like about it, but many of us get no benefit from Heidi's downfall at all, we just don't want to see anyone else harmed by such dangerous dietary advice.

(And I do hope the rest of the NON-former-KK-Ducks don't mind me speaking in such generalized terms here. If you do, please feel free to exclude yourself from my general statements of intent!)

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by LosingToLive

thank you HoneyBee, I was wondering the same thing.

Me too!

[LosingToLive]

Originally Posted by Madam De Leon

I can assure you I"m not in this for the Money, especially since I never joined KK, and therefore can't even be part of the lawsuit. I'm not the only one involved in this who never joined and is therefore not part of the lawsuit. We gain NOTHING from this.

But we can recognize a dangerous diet scam that needs to be shut down - that's why we're involved in this.

Think what you like about it, but many of us get no benefit from Heidi's downfall at all, we just don't want to see anyone else harmed by such dangerous dietary advice.

(And I do hope the rest of the NON-former-KK-Ducks don't mind me speaking in such generalized terms here. If you do, please feel free to exclude yourself from my general statements of intent!)

I don't mind you speaking for me at all

[LoraJR72]

Originally Posted by Madam De Leon

I can assure you I"m not in this for the Money, especially since I never joined KK, and therefore can't even be part of the lawsuit. I'm not the only one involved in this who never joined and is therefore not part of the lawsuit. We gain NOTHING from this.

But we can recognize a dangerous diet scam that needs to be shut down - that's why we're involved in this.

Think what you like about it, but many of us get no benefit from Heidi's downfall at all, we just don't want to see anyone else harmed by such dangerous dietary advice.

(And I do hope the rest of the NON-former-KK-Ducks don't mind me speaking in such generalized terms here. If you do, please feel free to exclude yourself from my general statements of intent!)

You wrote exactly how I feel!

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by Sherrie_lc

Yes thats exactly what you have been doing, much like someone else in the ask Kimmer thread

Oh do tell????

Originally Posted by DEEDLYNN

Honey--no and no

Thank you.

Originally Posted by mrsmenopausal

What are you if you don't agree with Heidi Diaz?

Here is my answer for that one MrsM...You are BANNED!

[mrsmenopausal]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

Here is my answer for that one MrsM...You are BANNED!

Isn't that the truth!

[DEEDLYNN]

really growing tired of the continually responding to the same ole things.

1) I have said before that if I am "lumping" everyone into the same bucket, sorry. Actually almost impossible to differentiate one from the other, since it's a pack mentality. I see why others have gone into "hiding", because it's a constant vicious attack--this time against someone--again--who you drug into this thread.
2) I didn't take a wrong turn. I don't wanna be on this site at all. Don't wanna be mentioned on this site at all. You stay out of my site...I'll stay out of yours.
3) Kimmers, KK, KIMKINS, KIMMERS, HEIDI--I have used all of those out here. I may not always have used them in the right "person", but bottomline is that I USE KIMKINS, who's owner's screenname is KIMMERS and is known in real life as HEIDI DIAZ. OKAY?
4) THE FALSEHOOD WAS---for the MILLIONTH time--the insinuation that I lost my weight with the LAPBAND and not KK (oh...that is unless it has been edited--never thought of that until now).
5) I have never said that I always agreed with HEIDI. I have said, that she admitted that she lied. She offered your money back. Get over it.
6) One of the complaints was that "allegedly" comments were made at KK about other folks families. You have no idea what my mom did or didn't teach me. You have no idea what I did or not teach my child. My responses are exactly that...responses to a lot (not all) but a lot of bullies that want to cram their belief down my throat--Dee..gasp...not KK, you will surely die a slow painful death. --but we sincerely hope not.
7) Kat--insurance, liens, book deals, reality tv shows...yep there's money
8) Mrsmen--I've answered your question. You don't like my answer. It's not gonna change.
9) Honey--another mis-quote...I never said "I agree with what KIMMERS allegedly did.
10) If you want me out of here, it's simple...stop asking questions and don't poke the sleeping dog.

I've been accountable/responsible for what I have said and done. No one in here wants to accept any personal responsibility...no wait...I just lumped. Very few in here want to accept any personal responsibility...they want to blame KK, KIMMERS, KIMKINS, HEIDI DIAZ for everything. I urge you to consider comparative negligence/contributory negligence and assumption of risk. They all apply to this issue.

Angry...don't think so. Assertive...very much so. But I prefer assertive to the passive aggressive that I have witnessed out here.

Any more questions? Like I don't know the answer to that.

LMAO
Dee

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