Why the fascination with Kimmer? #16

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by This time

Hurry up Miss M and don't forget the oopsie rolls

Have you ever made oopsie rolls with cheddar cheese? I'm thinking that would be mighty tasty! Kind of like the cheese biscuits at Red Lobster.

[This time]

Originally Posted by Magicsmom

Have you ever made oopsie rolls with cheddar cheese? I'm thinking that would be mighty tasty! Kind of like the cheese biscuits at Red Lobster.

I love the cheese biscuits at Red Lobster

[Sherrie_lc]

Originally Posted by DEEDLYNN

Sherri--somewhere I did respond to your comment about minors...Specifically about the 14 year old. If there was a 14 year old on that paid subscription site, I have more grave concerns than if she was given bad dieting advice. Who paid for the subscription to the site? Where are mom and dad when she is surfing the net. My concern for a 14 year old girl on the iinternet is not what kind of dieting advice she is given...it's child predators. That simple. When my daughter was 14 and on the internet....I knew what sites that she was visiting.

Kimmer never had to accept the account by a 14 year old, nor did she have to give her dangerous advice to her, she could have simply directed her else where. When her members asked if their children could do the diet she chose to advise them on how they could do kimkins, e.g. with one or two serves of dairy OR calcium supplements. No concern towards fat or calories, just calcium...

This was KIMMERS choice. Should the parents have listened to her, NO WAY but Kimmer did not have to pray on their naivety/ignorance nor did she have to encourage teenagers to do kimkins which imo she did in both her advice and her marketing.

It's as simple as that, there is no excuse and by supporting her you also support that whether you like it or not.

[Sherrie_lc]

Originally Posted by DEEDLYNN

Someone asked me if I thought KIMMERS was sincere in her apology. That's not for me to decide. Not for me to judge. She apologized. My choice as a consumer was to accept the apology or not. I always choose to accept an apology from anyone, because I can't possibly know what's in someone else's heart. And, how can I ever ask to be forgiven, if I can forgive someone else. It's that simple. That's how I live my life.

That was me and I didn't ask if she was sincere in her apology I asked how someone could say her apology was sincere when at the same time she published an allegedly honest after/before picture of herself which imo was very clearly photo chopped and was also followed by more photo chopped progress pics.

My question is how can you trust the sincerity of someone that does that at the same time and AFTER her apology.

[Sweeteater]

Originally Posted by TerryC

To Deedlynn -

A woman (heidi) who was overweight (see PI pics for proof) cultivated a large following here on this support board for her special way of eating by LYING to those followers that she lost 200 lbs doing it and kept it off when she had never lost the weight at all (see conversations with family members which can be found in the back threads). She also told those people that she was a foster mother, helped the blind, worked in a homeless shelter and taught english to underpriviledged women in order to garner more adulation. You just have to read the Ask Kimmer thread to see all "oh kimmer you are so wonderful" posts.

While she helped the people who agreed with her or fawned over her, the people that disagreed with her here were censored, warned, had posts deleted and generally bullied by her and her followers until they just left. Even if you were a supporter, she would still say nasty things to you if you weren't doing her plan right (just ask ixtapacheryl about that).

Fast forward a couple of years to her web business - she made over a million dollars in the one month after her fake magazine article came out, all the while living on disability and claiming she had foster children (if you don't know about the foster children situation - well that can be found somewhere in the past here too).

Then a dedicated group of people who had been searching for the truth finally started finding it. Her pictures were fake, her success stories were fake, her weight loss was fake, her niceness was fake. All over the message boards are proof of that (just ask AmyB and JustKim what happens to friends that start to question her).

A few people had been banned from kk for questioning either in PMs or on other boards (like here) whether heidi had lost the weight (just ask Cutie, Kiki, and Ixtapacheryl about that). Then when the PI pictures came out - the bannings began in full force. People who had joined KK after the magazine article (like me) who had no background from here with her were caught unaware and asked questions. Guess what happened? We were banned from our lifetime membership at KK. I asked about maintenance because I was worried that my weight loss would not be sustainable. I felt betrayed because I could see that heidi had not been able to maintain her loss (which later it turned out there was no loss) and there had been no maintenance plan given to us yet. I have since found my answer - it can't be maintained (just ask me, MissMerize, Deni, and even Tippy is struggling, I'm sure there are others too).

In the end, a very brave person (Jeanessa) decided enough lies had been told and people scammed that she was going to do something about it. A great lawyer was found to take the case and as everyone knows it is ongoing today. If not for her and the other principals, a woman who is a known scam artist who has done jail time for her scams (you will have to search the back threads here, but the story is there straight from the mouth of her family) would not be answering for her fraud. It is not about the money because I frankly don't know if I will get my money back from this lawsuit or not, but I am in it anyway.

Whether or not anyone chooses to follow the diet is completely up to them. I wish people would find a better way that can be maintained in the long run, but I don't really expect to be the poster child for giving diet advice (now Cleo - that's another story GO CLEO!!) But when someone knows the truth about a person and the truth is that the person is a fraud and scam artist and still chooses to support that person and their fraud, well the ducks will have something to say about it.

There are a lot of places to go to get support for whatever WOE that a person chooses to follow. Fraud should NEVER BE SUPPORTED in my opinion and to stay at kk, knowing about the fraud, just gives legitimacy to someone and something that is for lack of any better word - FRAUD.

That in so many words is what this is all about.

good job, TerryC.

[DEEDLYNN]

I respect your opinion of me. We are all entitled to them. I'm all about personal responsibility. I think it's the parents personal responsibility to address dietary needs of a 14 year old. Does that mean that I agree with what KIMMERS allegedly did (I haven't seen this for myself), not necessarily. I don't have the facts. But I do have the facts to determine that a 14 year old should be supervised surfing the net.

I guess if I'm married to a drunk, who drives drunk...then I'm just as accountable as he is for his drunk driving. I wonder why we don't prosecute the spouses of drunk drivers.

[vernswifevickie]

Kimmers admitted that she lied. Do I feel scammed? No...first, I've said before...the entire weight loss industry has lied to me...Repeatedly. Kimmers delivered to me exactly what was promised. A food plan and support. Advertisers lie to us repeatedly...just watch any commercial on TV..to be sexy you must drive this or that. She set up a business to make money. What she was selling works for me. Thin at any cost. NO! It's why I monitor what is going on in my body. With a physician. If he and I are wrong....well, my and my WLS surgeon were wrong too. 3 surgeries later (and complications) here I am. Did she prey on overweight individuals who would have emotions that got caught up in finding the "answer"...if she did...then the entire weight loss industry did the same thing. I've been promised rock hard abs in 8 minutes a day...NOT. I have been promised...this pill..no diet no exercise...NOT.

Ok...I really just have to address this. You say that Kimmer delivered exactly what was promised to you, a weight loss plan and support. I am not arguing or denying you your right to believe that. However...I don't feel the same way about it. What Kimmer promised me was a weightloss plan that she herself had followed, lost 118 pounds in less than a year on and kept that weight off for 6 years. She backed up that claim with dozens of stories, complete with before and after photos of other healthy, attractive people who had done the same thing. None of it was true. Kimmer never lost the weight, the succsess stories were all figments of her imagination, the pictures pilfered from a Russian bride site...not one single long term success story really existed. Kimmer didn't see the error of her ways and just decide to tell the truth... She only "apologized" because she got caught red handed and she had to do something to run damage control.

I said in an earlier post that I could see where you're coming from better than you might imagine and I meant that. If you look back over the earlier threads on this subject you will see that I used feel the same way as you say you feel about all of this. That was before Heidi's lies were proven to be lies. There was a time when kimkins.con was a home site to me too. I couldn't understand why the people on this thread disliked Heidi Diaz so much. That was before the truth came out. That was before I saw her lies on the forums about people I had grown to care about during my time there.

You might be interested to know that my last post before Heidi Diaz/Kimmer unceremoniously banned me from my "home site," from the friends I had made, from my journal, from the lifetime membership that I had paid for was this....I simply asked, "Heidi, why did you feel you had to lie to us. I for one would have understood if you just would have told us the truth." Within 5 minutes I was banned. Yes, I had been asking questions and wanting to know why she was lying about my friends, but that last post was the one that got me banned. So while you are standing up there on your soapbox passing judgements on what you think our motives are you just might want to consider that you don't know all of our stories.

As for the 14 year old girl. I was there when that girl was posting. It was almost exactly at the same time as the interview she did with Jimmy Moore where she oh-so sincerely told Jimmy that she would never allow a minor to be a member of her site. Yet, at the same time she had a 14 year old on the site, she was very well aware of the fact that she was 14, and she was encouraging her to go lower and lower in her calories. I saw those posts myself. I agree that her parents are also responsible for her being there but that doesn't change the fact that Heidi Diaz was on that site encouraging that child to starve herself.

Again, I am not trying to talk you out of following the KK diet or any other crazy crash diet you might choose to follow. But for you to be so adamant in your defense of Heidi Diaz is just...well, it's just offensive, that's all.

[Chelveston]

Originally Posted by DEEDLYNN

I guess if I'm married to a drunk, who drives drunk...then I'm just as accountable as he is for his drunk driving. I wonder why we don't prosecute the spouses of drunk drivers.

...but they do prosecute the bartender who serves the drink to someone drunk. The bartender (who should know better) is, in fact, culpable.

[v0xhumana]

So, Deedlynn, why is it that you are here? Quite a few of us had no clue about the LAPBAND thing, so we're still confused (at least I am).

What is it that we are we still so wrong about?

[NancyElle]

Did I tell you I have this book in my powder room?

Where the hell is my martini?????????
I AM Pleading in bold face, just like Magicsmom said.

I cannot hold on much longer, and will have to resort to going to the Playground....and those people scare the poop (hahahaha)
out of me!

[Mayberryfan]

Dee ~

ITA about the personal responsibility! But, what about those people who don't know better? Who believe that doing a diet with a calorie limit designed for people who've JUST had WLS - not what they're supposed to eat forever! It's just what they're supposed to eat for a while at the beginning of their recovery. What about those people who believe her lie that you can eat only 500 calories, and get the other 2000 from their fat storage? I BELIEVED that. And, I'm NOT stupid. But, I SO desperately wanted to lose weight that I believed her! What about others who may be somewhat disabled (I know one of the former dieters like this). She DESPERATELY wanted to believe in the no pills, no exercise thing with KK. She ended up with some problems because of trying to do this horrible diet.

You and I both know that if a regular doctor looks at the food lists only, they aren't going to spot anything wrong with KK. Who could gripe about meat and veggies? But people are encouraged repeately to eat lower and lower. I once decided to up my calories because I began to feel strange. Big surprise - I was eating about 500-600 calories a day because I thought that was OK. I upped my calories to a whopping 800-900 and had a severe dizzy spell just after dropping my 9-yr old niece off at piano lessons. That scared the hell out of me. When I posted about it on the thread, Kimmer told me I'd had the dizzy spell because I upped my calories and my body was "rebelling".

She's a sick, evil person.

[DEEDLYNN]

Originally Posted by DEEDLYNN

It seems that some think that I "invaded" this space. I think I was invited to visit other forums/threads out here. (I didn't take that snide and not putting it here snide). But aren't people invading my home site. Even though they are not as obvious and open as I am showing up here, aren't they hiding around in my home site. Cutting and pasting everything they can get their hands out. I'm out in the open about who I am. Some others, not quite so. Isn't that kinda like fraud...presenting yourself as someone your not. Just asking...because it seems to be the parallel to what Heidi is accused of.

While I am one person responding to a half dozen or so, some have said that I don't respond to this or that. No one has responded to my question about fraud.

I'm trying to keep up with the questions asked of me. I have nothing to hdie and am out here honestly. Yet, when I answer a question, it comes back that I got the wording wrong, or I am supporting a fraud. I am supporting my right to follow whatever plan I choose. I didn't come here hiding as a mole or under a different screen name pretending that I'm something I'm not. I'm not a fraud.

[Sherrie_lc]

Originally Posted by DEEDLYNN

I respect your opinion of me. We are all entitled to them. I'm all about personal responsibility. I think it's the parents personal responsibility to address dietary needs of a 14 year old. Does that mean that I agree with what KIMMERS allegedly did (I haven't seen this for myself), not necessarily. I don't have the facts. But I do have the facts to determine that a 14 year old should be supervised surfing the net.

I guess if I'm married to a drunk, who drives drunk...then I'm just as accountable as he is for his drunk driving. I wonder why we don't prosecute the spouses of drunk drivers.

Dee I have seen screenshots and everyone knows about her advice re the 14 yr old, it was blogged including proof many times when the incident occured. I am sure it will be on Just Ducky, Deni was still there at the time so it will be in the early days say July/August.

[NancyElle]

help me.......

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by vernswifevickie

Again, I am not trying to talk you out of following the KK diet or any other crazy crash diet you might choose to follow. But for you to be so adamant in your defense of Heidi Diaz is just...well, it's just offensive, that's all.

ITA!!! I could never be a defense lawyer because it would make me sick to my stomach to defend scuzballs who have broken the law, lying, stealing, cheating, or worse. I just cannot understand how anyone can know what Heidi lied about and know beyond a shadow of a doubt that she did lie, and yet defend her - that is a mindset beyond the realm of my comprehension.

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by NancyElle

help me.......

[tiggerr]

But for you to be so adamant in your defense of Heidi Diaz is just...well, it's just offensive, that's all.

What is it that we are we still so wrong about?

I've been here 5 years. I was on the receiving end of some of Heidi's "diet suggestions" and I have to tell you I'm blown away anyone would back a woman who passed off pictures of other women and kept telling others it was her all along.
Also, the 'diet' is doing harm. Ask my MD about my thyroid anytime.

[Magicsmom]

Or Nancy, if you prefer..........

[vernswifevickie]

Dee...I'm not sure I understand what question you asked about fraud. But I do want to say that I totally respect that you come here using your regular screen name. I hate the anonymous stuff. I am Vernswifevickie everywhere I post. It makes me accountable for what I say and unable to hide behind an anonymous bush...so again, I really respect that you are who you are when you post

[NancyElle]

Originally Posted by Magicsmom

Or Nancy, if you prefer..........

yeah, doll...that's it! thank you.....

[tiggerr]

Originally Posted by DEEDLYNN

No one has responded to my question about fraud.

• Heidi Diaz lied about her pictures, she used someone elses picture and told us that is was her.
• That she had to sit a certain way per directions of the picture taker.
• This picture was in a magazine and people believed it was her.
• Nowhere was a disclaimer stating this was a model used to protect her privacy.
• She used models, again, for all her success stories.
• She never lost weight to 118 pounds
• There is no maintenance program
  

You should read a bit more and realize the Ducks are not haters.
And by rubbing elbows with this fraud you are not quite off the hook.

[DEEDLYNN]

Vickie--We obviously differ in what our expectations were when we purchased the program. My expectations stemmed from seeing a weight loss plan that mirrored the eating plan after my LAPBAND. It's been years since I've picked up any weight loss information and believe the photos. Years. The entire weight loss industry has lied to me.
As far as being banned...was that question asked on a forum or in a PM. It would make a difference in my mind. I would never call a "leader" "my boss", "someone from a place of authority", whatever you want to call it...out in front of others. I don't have a problem voicing my opiinion in a private forum.

And, I don't believe that I have defended Heidi as much as I have my choice. My "fascination" with it..is that everyone seems obsessed with the fact that Heidi blew her nose today.

It's also offensive when folks make the same kinda comments towards me. Dee does not equal Heidi.

Chelv--yes...they can prosecute bartenders. But not very successfully, many have tried. Few have succeeded. I have handled insurance claims for more than 20 years and handled a substantial amount of Dram Shop claims. For every 150 Dram Shop claims I have handled...there may be 1 that gets paid. It just don't happen.

Magic--have you seen the crapola that plaintiffs attorneys present that makes your insurance rates sky rocket. We could sit down and talk for days on this topic. I don't handle criminal defense, but I do handle civil defense.

v--you only have to go back a week or so in posts...when I got 15 minutes of fame out here (unbeknownst to me) when someone googled me. Found out I had the LAPBAND and chose to speculate that was how I lost my weight. Long & short. Had LAPBAND...3 surgeries later...6 mos later...LAPBAND removed.

Tigger--sry about your thyroid problems

Nancy--glad to see you got your drink...hope it don't cause gas...LOL.

[Magicsmom]

Regarding personal responsibility, I too believe in it. But what about Heidi's personal responsibility to tell the truth about who she is and what she has (or hasn't) accomplished in terms of weight loss? Didn't she have the responsibility to NOT lie about whether or not she had lost weight on a plan that is anorexia meets Atkins. I just don't get why the personal responsibility thing applies to everyone but her. Why does she get the free pass?