Why the fascination with Kimmer? #16

[Barbara B]

Originally Posted by Amyb1569

OMG too funny..TOM came today a week early..How did ya know?
I still highly dislike Heidi and her admins and many more there.
I am such a nice person..It is not like me to be so snarky ( oh yes I did use that word) towards people..lol

Yes, but are you "fake nice"?

LOL! No! You're REAL NICE.

Unlike some other made-up person I can think of, who is nice only to collect money or people who are successful and will attract money for her. Hmmmm - who is that??

[cleochatra]

Originally Posted by SMP

Hey Cleo, I'm a Canuck. There's a lot of us on this board, and certainly what (info) flows one way can flow the other. Kimkins notoriety has been spread worldwide,and Heidi now has all the attention she can handle. And then some!

The lady is in no way affiliated with low-carbing, but is a total 'stranger' to the online situation with Kimmer. She just went to a friend of mine and said, "OMG! I heard about this person who... (insert discussion of fake Russian brides here)" and before you could say Bob's your mother's husband's brother, it was obvious she was talking about Kimkins!

I had another friend about 5 months ago came to me and tell me about an absurd article she read in Woman's World, and we laughed about it. It was Kimkins!

It is so refreshing to know that there are people who are not of these boards or threads who are getting the news and talking to others about it. It shows that the information has spiraled out from the 'inner circle' to the general public, which is so reaffirming!

[Cutie]

Originally Posted by cleochatra

The lady is in no way affiliated with low-carbing, but is a total 'stranger' to the online situation with Kimmer. She just went to a friend of mine and said, "OMG! I heard about this person who... (insert discussion of fake Russian brides here)" and before you could say Bob's your mother's husband's brother, it was obvious she was talking about Kimkins!

I had another friend about 5 months ago came to me and tell me about an absurd article she read in Woman's World, and we laughed about it. It was Kimkins!

It is so refreshing to know that there are people who are not of these boards or threads who are getting the news and talking to others about it. It shows that the information has spiraled out from the 'inner circle' to the general public, which is so reaffirming!

that IS very reaffirming jamie...thanks for sharing this with us!

[Barbara B]

Originally Posted by BamaGal

and person's own life will be reflected in their perception of any given situation ---something we all need to realize about many things



if I thought she would travel well I'd ship her to you....
enjoy your grandma day

Thanks for all the love shown everyone....it's appreciated

I'm off to handle some things in RL today---check y'all out later on...

Bama, I KNEW where you were coming from, and I guess that's the key. I know your feelings about how society views people who are overweight or obese, and the propensity of people to do ANYTHING to not be overweight - no matter what other factors may be involved. I know you have suffered and that you wish that you had not gone through gastric bypass. How the sought after "Thin" does a lot of damage on the way.

That is the problem with the internet - and there you are correct - everyone brings their own experience, history and knowledge to the discussion. How can they help doing that? Answer is they can't. But I really feel if this had been taken to PM, that would have been it. There are some discussions that can be resolved easily in PM, but are threatening and divisive on the forum. At least that is how I feel.

[Barbara B]

Originally Posted by Magicsmom

Amy, how you feel is totally understandable, but even if it weren't, none of us have any reason to apologize for how we feel about things. We have all had our own little trip with Heidi on whatever level, we each have our own story to tell, and we each feel betrayed. But I don't spend one moment of my time feeling guilty or foolish for buying her line. There's a long list of people who were taken in, and the shame belongs to Heidi, not us.

That is SO true. Thank you for saying it. How can any of you blame yourselves for being taken in by a master of deceit? Please don't. You are all precious individuals who were hurt by someone who is the here on earth representation of the devil? Sorry if I put that badly, my brain is not functioning well right now. That's what happens when I am really ticked off. I tend to sound ridiculous.

Miss Merize - I think I need a martini - FAST! Er, maybe more than one. What do you suggest? I would not be opposed to 3 - aw, now I am lying. The most martinis I have ever had was one, and that kicked my a$$ so bad that I have stayed away from them forever. The first time I tried one, I was having guests for dinner. I never realized that in all the preparation, I never had much breakfast and NO lunch. And I was also going through a divorce with much stress.

Well, to wrap up this little pathetic story - my guests arrived and the husband, who apparently was a master of martinis, offered to make us cocktails. He made us VERY STRONG martinis.

This was the most embarrassing moment of my life! After the martini, I then proceeded to lie on my bed and slept through the entire evening!!!!

Obviously, they were insulted and upset.

Ya can't take me anywhhere.

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by Nady

Posted on the MCD BB~


guess it's not going so well~~
~~~N

Yeah, I think in this case, freeloaders could only improve the situation!


Barbara, what are ya sayin'? Are you a lightweight when it comes to martinis?

[SMP]

Originally Posted by This time

Hi SMP........the problem is Heidi loves attention, attention and more attention, thats how she gets off

Then let me rephrase that. Heidi's POCKETBOOK has had more attention than she can handle! Did you see where, in the interests of saving time AND MONEY!, she agreed to putting the disputed funds (the pittance remaining) into a trust fund? That releases the lien on Paypal so that she can grab oodles more w/o the lawsuit hanging over her head. I guess she toted up what Cottle was costing her, and his necessarily miserable performance to date, and decided capitulation was the better part of hanging in there.

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by SMP

Then let me rephrase that. Heidi's POCKETBOOK has had more attention than she can handle! Did you see where, in the interests of saving time AND MONEY!, she agreed to putting the disputed funds (the pittance remaining) into a trust fund? That releases the lien on Paypal so that she can grab oodles more w/o the lawsuit hanging over her head. I guess she toted up what Cottle was costing her, and his necessarily miserable performance to date, and decided capitulation was the better part of hanging in there.

My guess is that is her strategy also. I wonder what the sum of that pittance is. It also says there's a lien on her house, and that will stay in force. Of course, the only way to recover is for her to sell it. It sure would be sweet to see the court force her to sell it to pay the plaintiffs.

[SMP]

Originally Posted by Magicsmom

My guess is that is her strategy also. I wonder what the sum of that pittance is. It also says there's a lien on her house, and that will stay in force. Of course, the only way to recover is for her to sell it. It sure would be sweet to see the court force her to sell it to pay the plaintiffs.

I just zipped through the court document, Magic, but somehow the sum of $10,000 from Paypal stuck in my head. Whatever, she for sure cannot refund each and every member in the lawsuit a reasonable sum. OTOH, it's possible she might sell the house if the Big House beckons. But I won't count on it.

[Lisa Rae]

Wow..I've been away from this board for a long long time( well over a year now..*sigh*)..but was one of the original low-carbers here.

I still have several e-mails from Kimmer ( anyone writing a book..yes, I can be bribed to show these off LOL) and was one of the few people that openly disagreed with Kimmer ( and Yes, I know that is not her name..but that is who I remember her as) and yet still was not cut off by her. I was unfortunately gone from LCF when she was "found out" (for lack of a better phrase) but was told by a phone call when it all blew-open . At that point I had not talked to Kimmer since she had left this site. I was shocked then..and still shocked now. Not so much that she was a fraud ( as several of us oldbies had talked about that for years) but the fact that she not only managed to take credit for pre-existing programs ( in the beginning she OFTEN said her plan was a combo of original Atkins and Stillman's) but that she was rarely challenged. Having been on the other end of her wrath at times..I can understand not wanting to confront her "ideas" yet still surprised no one took her on. The fact that she was able to manipulate so many people ( lets face it..the Kimkins group were die-hard and regularly hostel to anyone questioning them) before and after her site was started still shocks me. I defiantly can say...when first arriving here..I easily could have been one of her followers. I was lucky enough when finding this site..to also have found people like Cheri and Lescarbs ( anyone remember that name??) who, lucky for me, were already believers and alleviated most of my fears.

I am saddened to see that people are still in so much pain over this cruel situation. I understand it..but am sad none the less that people are still in so much pain. My hope is that eventually you all can come to some piece over this injustice..and MOVE ON. I would hate to come back a year or more from now and see post #42 on this site.

[wifezilla]

Move on? I was never swindled by Kimmer, but as long as this post exists people have the chance to avoid becoming her next victim. That's why I'm here...t make sure her scam and any others like hers are exposed.

Besides, by thread #42, we'll be talking about how long till Kimmer's parole hearing and who can make it to testify against her release (hopefully!)

[Amyb1569]

Ladies...

I know I do not need to say this but I want to.
I know I have been a little off lately. I am having a tugging with who I am and what and where my place is. I can not explain right now..but I will soon enough. I have been in a way...did I mention that. It has come to my attention that so many people think I have been awful and mean and on and on. Somedays like today I kind of feel like I am those things. The problem is when everyone has a opinion without the facts...and I can not give the facts..then...well this is what happens.
It also has been brought to my attention that maybe some of the ducks have doubts with me or the issues with Heidi and Gary with Philip etc. I have no idea if this is true or not. But I have posted word for word PM's that Heidi had with BOO I also know that it was found that Gary was found out to be the go f yourself lol person...so how there could be any question as to what I have said..I do not know.
I have done my best to have my blog be about the truth. I have offered a place for both sides to tell their sides and their opinions.
I will say that I know that some things that people other then myself may not be the truth or the whole story. When or if there is proof of that ...then that too will be posted. But not until then.
So the focus of this is...I am Amy B. I do not hide who I am or what I am. I never have and have no plans of doing so. I feel like I am a nice person and a honest and trustful person...until there is a reason to feel otherwise.
If someone has a issue or concern with me..then just say it to me...I have the grapevine..have you noticed..things never come out the way they started.
And yes I am still having a angry Heidi and her crew day. One day soon...she may just regret all the mean spiteful things she has said.
I am done now..lol

[Nady]

Originally Posted by Amyb1569

Ladies...

I know I do not need to say this but I want to.
I know I have been a little off lately. I am having a tugging with who I am and what and where my place is. I can not explain right now..but I will soon enough. I have been in a way...did I mention that. It has come to my attention that so many people think I have been awful and mean and on and on. Somedays like today I kind of feel like I am those things. The problem is when everyone has a opinion without the facts...and I can not give the facts..then...well this is what happens.
It also has been brought to my attention that maybe some of the ducks have doubts with me or the issues with Heidi and Gary with Philip etc. I have no idea if this is true or not. But I have posted word for word PM's that Heidi had with BOO I also know that it was found that Gary was found out to be the go f yourself lol person...so how there could be any question as to what I have said..I do not know.
I have done my best to have my blog be about the truth. I have offered a place for both sides to tell their sides and their opinions.
I will say that I know that some things that people other then myself may not be the truth or the whole story. When or if there is proof of that ...then that too will be posted. But not until then.
So the focus of this is...I am Amy B. I do not hide who I am or what I am. I never have and have no plans of doing so. I feel like I am a nice person and a honest and trustful person...until there is a reason to feel otherwise.
If someone has a issue or concern with me..then just say it to me...I have the grapevine..have you noticed..things never come out the way they started.
And yes I am still having a angry Heidi and her crew day. One day soon...she may just regret all the mean spiteful things she has said.
I am done now..lol

Sometimes, we grow by going through the fire~ walking those burning hot coals. It's the way the old is destroyed and new is born~ (think Phoenix bird) and when we get to the other side, then we understand why it had to be that way.

The truth is often not 'nice' and usually hurts. When someone feels that pain, instead of claiming you're not nice, maybe they need to look at why it hurts? Sometimes, our best friends are the ones that believe we deserve the truth, even if it's painful~ to do anything less is cowardly. And one thing I know Amy~ you're no coward!

have patience with yourself while you're going through this metamorphosis~ you will come out the other side even more glorious!
~~~N

[This time]

Originally Posted by SMP

Then let me rephrase that. Heidi's POCKETBOOK has had more attention than she can handle! Did you see where, in the interests of saving time AND MONEY!, she agreed to putting the disputed funds (the pittance remaining) into a trust fund? That releases the lien on Paypal so that she can grab oodles more w/o the lawsuit hanging over her head. I guess she toted up what Cottle was costing her, and his necessarily miserable performance to date, and decided capitulation was the better part of hanging in there.

Hi SMP..I ment she loves personal attention, now the pocketbook attention is another thing

[This time]

THIS IS FOR YOU AMYB..............

[2big4mysize]

hey AmyB since you keep responding to the folk have issues with me having issues with......
have you ever stopped to wonder if maybe Kimmer et al are the ones spreading those issues and not real ducks as a means to stop you or discredit you?

Since over 30,000 folk joined and left Kimkins there are a heck of a lot of folk who could be ducks out there and there have been a few fake ones already outed here in these topics and might be some still lurking who think they haven't been discovered. Hang in there and don't believe a duck said it till you get confirmation from the duck and a few folk you trust. Kimmer et al is doing a big disinformation project right now cause obviously your flower picking and our weeding are harming her profits.

[Katinsac]

AmyB, I agree with 2big...it is others just trying to get a rise out of you...don't let them do it. People like that know how much they can hit below the belt on someone who is sincere and honest and but them....the ducks don't roll that way!

[This time]

Here is to flower picking and weeding

[LosingToLive]

Originally Posted by Amyb1569

Ladies...

I know I do not need to say this but I want to.
I know I have been a little off lately. I am having a tugging with who I am and what and where my place is. I can not explain right now..but I will soon enough. I have been in a way...did I mention that. It has come to my attention that so many people think I have been awful and mean and on and on. Somedays like today I kind of feel like I am those things. The problem is when everyone has a opinion without the facts...and I can not give the facts..then...well this is what happens.
It also has been brought to my attention that maybe some of the ducks have doubts with me or the issues with Heidi and Gary with Philip etc. I have no idea if this is true or not. But I have posted word for word PM's that Heidi had with BOO I also know that it was found that Gary was found out to be the go f yourself lol person...so how there could be any question as to what I have said..I do not know.
I have done my best to have my blog be about the truth. I have offered a place for both sides to tell their sides and their opinions.
I will say that I know that some things that people other then myself may not be the truth or the whole story. When or if there is proof of that ...then that too will be posted. But not until then.
So the focus of this is...I am Amy B. I do not hide who I am or what I am. I never have and have no plans of doing so. I feel like I am a nice person and a honest and trustful person...until there is a reason to feel otherwise.
If someone has a issue or concern with me..then just say it to me...I have the grapevine..have you noticed..things never come out the way they started.
And yes I am still having a angry Heidi and her crew day. One day soon...she may just regret all the mean spiteful things she has said.
I am done now..lol

AmyB….

Are you doubting that you are a good mother?
Are you doubting that you are a good wife?
Are you doubting that you are a good friend?
Are you doubting that you are doing the best that you can?

You have answered “NO” to all those questions right?
Why in the world are you worried about a woman like Hiney?

You are a good person, but you are allowing someone else to control your feelings!
Don’t allow them to do it, they are behind a stupid monitor. Why give them control over your feelings? Stick your tongue out (or finger up) and tell them that “they will NOT bother you”. Stop allowing people behind the screen to run your life, you knew how to handle your family before KK…… you can do it now. What magic power does that site have over you? Let me answer for you, NO power at all !

As for the ducks… do you have proof of this or is it just the “talk”?
Ask for proof dear, then you will know if it is true or not! If it isn’t in writing, ignore it.
You may have a “grapevine” but on every vine, there may be a “sour grape”. Facts are facts, ask for proof.

Stop doubting yourself, keep doing what you are doing, take care of you and you family and FORGET THE REST! You haven’t “needed” KK’s approval to raise your family, why do you care about what they say now? You are a wonderful person (you don’t need us to keep telling you that, you know it). Please don’t allow those people to “Define” who you are. You take the credit, not them.

Did I sound mean? I hope not. You are a strong person who deals with challenges every day. Keep your head up Amy, your husband and children need it. Forget about the fake people behind the screen. As you know….they aren’t always what they appear.

Big Hug (((Amy))), …… tell them to take it somewhere else because you are not interested !!!!


LL

[HoneyBee2]

Hi Lisa Rae to the FWK thread.
I do recall seeing your avatar in my reading of the ask kimmer threads and/or challenges. You should be proud of the progress you show in your avi!

I must be honest and say that your post struck me as trying to shift the blame from Heidi to those who believed Heidi, because- they didn't challenge her, or because they stood up for her... Then telling those working to bring KK down or those just working through things, while posting in this thread to "MOVE ON"... doesn't seem to fit with someone who knows the harm Heidi can do if left unchecked. It strikes me as making jabs or a backhanded way of defending Heidi Diaz or kimmer.

I may be reading your tone or wording of your post in the wrong manner, but I don't want to misunderstand you and I don't want others to misunderstand you either, so I have responded to some of your points and also have some questions.

I still have several e-mails from Kimmer and was one of the few people that openly disagreed with Kimmer and yet still was not cut off by her.

Post the email if you would. It would be great to see how Kimmer responded back in the day. I do think more disagreed with Heid, but she would respond in a way that would escalate to a point where all the posts were deleted. Hmm.....wonder if that was planned?
But, that doesn't mean others didn't speak up and it doesn't mean that they were not "cut off" when they did speak up. In fact Heidi's banned camp was formed from her bannings of KK members for asking questions. Now, as to why your posts were not responded to in the same way, well, only Heidi knows.

In the beginning she OFTEN said her plan was a combo of original Atkins and Stillman's

Too bad she didn't sell or market it that way on the internet, because then I would have saved my money and did a search of those terms or went to the library. Heidi instead decided to market it as the fastest weight loss program...period.
Now, she would mention on KK boards that the KK diet was based on Atkins or Stillman's when she was trying to convince someone of the credibility of the diet, but she only did it after one was a member and then only to stifle questioning.

The fact that she was able to manipulate so many people... before and after her site was started still shocks me.

That is what made her a good con.

( lets face it..the Kimkins group were die-hard and regularly hostel to anyone questioning them)

Yes, I think some have said as much but I think that is important, because in many cases of manipulation those who are manipulated will act just as you described. Think cult.

I defiantly can say...when first arriving here..I easily could have been one of her followers.

Why is that? Because you said you were-"one of the few people that openly disagreed with Kimmer," A follower has to believe in the one leading.

I was lucky enough when finding this site..to also have found people like Cheri and Lescarbs ( anyone remember that name??) who, lucky for me, were already believers and alleviated most of my fears.

I am confused here- Believers in what- low carb, eating?

My hope is that eventually you all can come to some piece over this injustice..and MOVE ON.

You have to know that this is condescending and belittles the people who are posting in this thread. I mean when has anyone ever told you to MOVE ON and not done it in a negative manner?

I would hate to come back a year or more from now and see post #42 on this site.

Why?

[HoneyBee2]

AmyB- Two words.... Mind Games.