Why the fascination with Kimmer? #16

[catzrule]

heh, funny, I was never a member. I get a super banning? I'm honored! (prolly cause I don't try to hide my IP)

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by Mayberryfan

Wow, I've gotten so many nice responses on the board and in PMs. Thanks everyone! I know this happens. It's just been going on a really long time. Maybe I need to be a little bit more careful of my carbs and not rely so heavily on "net" carbs, although the Eades say net is fine. It's so confusing! And frustrating. I guess since I continued to lose after leaving KK and eating 1100-1200 calories a day that I felt good about things. I always did major vit/mineral supplementation and DID NOT do the laxative thing, except on those rare occasions when one was actually needed.

I didn't think about the exercise causing me to retain a little water! In some ways, I feel those that are telling me to eat more might be right, but I had a HARD time eating 1700-1800 calories without taking in 120g of fat. I'm not TRYING to make myself eat less, it's just that at times I get to dinner time and I think - yeesh, I don't WANT to eat - I'm simply NOT hungry. NEVER had that problem before!!

I'm not giving up, though. This afternoon when I was walking, I kept telling myself "I'm NOT giving up. I know I can do this. If I quit, Heidi wins."

And ya'll KNOW I'm not letting THAT happen!!!!!!!!

I think that the Eades tell you to net your carbs from fiber sources, but not from sugar alcohols. Is that correct?

Originally Posted by MomToEli

Hey, T ... Tas is still on the boards, yes? Or is that someone assuming her login over there?

Well, I was "seen" logged on at KK when I didn't even have internet access. Pretty neat trick, isn't it? I'm more clever than I thought I was.

Originally Posted by la linda

Wild Angel and Bama Gal, thanks for your responses to my questions. BamaGal, I will contact you on your blog.

LINDA

Originally Posted by thetruthinhiding

Still there unfortunately. Maybe you joined the ranks of the superbanned?

Just a warning for anyone with a static IP. If you have been banned from there and they want to go through the trouble, they can block your individual IP so you don't even see the homepage.

Can the superbanned get to the homepage by going through an anonymizer?

[Magicsmom]

Wow, Heidikins has been busy! I'm superbanned too! I'll bet John would like to know this.

[thetruthinhiding]

Originally Posted by catzrule

heh, funny, I was never a member. I get a super banning? I'm honored! (prolly cause I don't try to hide my IP)

Maybe you are not superbanned if you were never a member. Could be some other glitch. Let me get those poor overworked tech guys on it.

ETA: Yes, magicsmom, there is no way to really keep people out, short of only allowing members with a static IP and then only allowing that list of IPs to access the site. Most people don't have a static IP. AOL members for instance usually surf through a proxy. IP alone doesn't give away your name, email, or exact address, unless your ISP cooperates with a request from law enforcement, so almost no worries trying to hide it.

[Magicsmom]

I'm superbanned.

[OhYeahBabe]

Originally Posted by catzrule

Hmmm... is this a 404 I see? I can't get to kimkins.con

I wish! It was down for me, but when I tried again it was up. Something's up - their server is running so slow it times out. Must be the tech guys are still resting up from their exhausting turn at un-modeling the front page.

[This time]

Mayberryfan What i do when i have a major stall is take a few days off and purposely gain a few pounds back then start again, that does the trick, but what works for me may not work for you even on the biggest loser bob says to have a cheat 1 day a week, you never know, i hope this helps you Linda

[Locarb4me]

Originally Posted by WildAngel6

You may very well gain weight at first because your body is excited to finally have enough calories incoming that they will hold on to some just in case you start to starve it again. But you have to continue to eat properly to convince your body that it is safe to let go of any weight.

Remember, your body functions in a self preservation mode. If you are eating enough food, your body will be willing to let go of the weight. If you aren't eating enough food you may initially have some weight loss, but the stall will come to protect you from losing too much weight, which is apparently where you are now.

At this point, you need to let go of the panic over the few pounds of weight gain, while you learn to eat properly and repair the damage to your metabolism, and reassure your body that it will not have to endure another famine.

It really does sound counterintuitive, but it works. So be patient with your body. Don't be afraid to eat. Don't be afraid to increase your calories accordingly. Once you get things back in good working order again, your weight loss will resume.

Think of your body like a furnace. If you start a fire with just a small amount of fuel, it will burn for a while, but will go out when the fuel is gone. That is your stall. If you start a fire with a proper amount of fuel supplied to it on a regular basis, it will burn better and more consistently. We want our metabolism to keep burning, so we have to feed it regularly, and feed it enough so that it has plenty of fuel to burn.

HTH

Just stopping in to say Hi to my friends! We have had family in from out of town this weekend, keeping me off the streets and out of the FWK threads Also putting in the garden which has been good exercise but hard on the old back.

I want to say thanks to all of you with the reminders of how LC is supposed to work and for the BMR calculations given upthread. I recalculated my stuff and realized once again I WAS starving myself to some extent many days and then over compensating by overeating other days. Not good but a lifelong habit which I fall back into too easily.

I got on the scale this morning...down 4 lbs. I hope and pray this is the beginning of the end of my miserable post-KK stall!!

Oh, and here's a hint for some of you fun-loving souls who have a hard time with exercise (like me): get a Wii!!

My adult kids got one shortly after Christmas and they brought theirs over. DH and I were hooked. I got him one for his birthday. I had no idea this would be so much fun.

It helps a lot to have something like this to get you off the sofa, and you can seriously burn some calories with the tennis game and the baseball.

Anyway, just a shout out and happy spring to all. KUTGW and watch those sawdust calories They do creep up on ya.

[WildAngel6]

Originally Posted by Barbara B

Absolutely great post! Would you mind if I posted it at the Camp? There are a slew of ex KKers there who need to read it.

Be my guest.

The more folks we can help with this discussion, the better.

Thank you for sharing it with them.

[golite]

I put my DH and I on 2 diets that ended up being VLC.
One was low everything, averaged 732 cals and I gained 7 lbs, DH lost 3 lbs.
The 2nd was Dean Ornish's Eat More Weigh Less, we averaged 842 cals.
I gained 11 lbs. We did each diet to the letter for 6 weeks and then had little cheats here and there. We exercised 6 x per week.

After developing chronic acid reflux, diabetes, high blood pressure, leg cramping, thinning hair, heart palpitations, etc. we decide to take a break.
My thyroid is trashed.

The break we took started with a 10 day cruise in which we ate everything from burgers and fries to 7 layer chocolate cake, lot's of high carb, high fat foods and I lost 13 lbs just on that trip alone and another 10 after we went home and continued eating like pigs.

I believe that if I'd transitioned to LC from there, I probably wouldn't have gained the 60 lbs. I did in the following year.

Can anyone speculate why I lost weight after a VLCD and KK'ers gain weight after?

I'm perplexed.

[Locarb4me]

Originally Posted by Sherrie_lc

Jeanessa from a weight loss perspective I no longer think extended induction is a great idea, just like we adapt to very low calorie, we adapt to very low carbs as well. I would personally recommend finding your carb tolerance and to keep testing it periodically as it may increase over time, especially if you exercise. Besides if you stick to just under your upper limits then you have plenty of room if you ever need to shake things up to kick start things again after a stall. Thats my personal opinion anyway

I believe you are onto something, Sherrie, about getting "used to" induction levels of carbs. I didn't get off *below 20* til last month. That was 9 months with a few days per month over 20!

Most days I still keep carbs low but I allow more several times per week. I'm slowly learning what works for me.

[vernswifevickie]

Originally Posted by OhYeahBabe

I wish! It was down for me, but when I tried again it was up. Something's up - their server is running so slow it times out. Must be the tech guys are still resting up from their exhausting turn at un-modeling the front page.

Well..you know that it probably takes some time for those poor, dedicated tech guys to run across the street from the hospital to use the internet connections at the local Starbucks and all...give em time...those tech guys are super dedicated...they'll get it all back up and running

Seriously...it's strange, some days I am super banned and some days I can access the home page.

[catzrule]

Originally Posted by thetruthinhiding

Maybe you are not superbanned if you were never a member. Could be some other glitch. Let me get those poor overworked tech guys on it.

ETA: Yes, magicsmom, there is no way to really keep people out, short of only allowing members with a static IP and then only allowing that list of IPs to access the site. Most people don't have a static IP. AOL members for instance usually surf through a proxy. IP alone doesn't give away your name, email, or exact address, unless your ISP cooperates with a request from law enforcement, so almost no worries trying to hide it.

*snort!

ETA: I can get in,it just takes FOREVER....

[Barbara B]

Originally Posted by Sherrie_lc

Jeanessa from a weight loss perspective I no longer think extended induction is a great idea, just like we adapt to very low calorie, we adapt to very low carbs as well. I would personally recommend finding your carb tolerance and to keep testing it periodically as it may increase over time, especially if you exercise. Besides if you stick to just under your upper limits then you have plenty of room if you ever need to shake things up to kick start things again after a stall. Thats my personal opinion anyway

ITA. There's really no reason to extend it. That's precisely why Dr. A utilized the idea of finding your Critical Carbohydrate Level.

[Barbara B]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

I bet y'all are right, in that Heidi can't produce that new pic she promised.
And I imagine the turnover on the front page has to put up some red flags for those few KKers still there. Reminds me of the turnover of moderators/admin, when the PI pics came out.

Tom,
Thank you very much. I appreciate your consideration of the situation.

Good point BarbaraB. I think nuts may be a trigger for me. Well, at least peanuts. Almonds don't seem to be as bad, but something about peanuts..... That is probably why I love them so.

Oh, don't even talk about peanuts! I have to stay away from them. With almonds I can count them out and eat no more than 20 or so. With peanuts, I would just put them in a dish and eat until the dish was empty. No more peanuts for me.

[Barbara B]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

Excellent idea BarbaraB!
It would also be good information to post at Amy's EL board. There appear to be many former KKers there who may still be trying to figure out how to increase their calories. It can be difficult, when you have thought you were doing the right thing, by following the rules of Kimkins. Laura's words may help them not give up if a few pounds are put back on at first.

Thanks for the idea!

[OhYeahBabe]

Originally Posted by Barbara B

Oh, don't even talk about peanuts! I have to stay away from them. With almonds I can count them out and eat no more than 20 or so. With peanuts, I would just put them in a dish and eat until the dish was empty. No more peanuts for me.

Peanuts are technically legumes and not actually nuts. They only have a few more carbs than nuts, but for many (most?) they definitely have a different blood sugar impact than true nuts do.

I have no off button once I start in on the peanuts.

[Madam De Leon]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

Good point BarbaraB. I think nuts may be a trigger for me. Well, at least peanuts. Almonds don't seem to be as bad, but something about peanuts..... That is probably why I love them so.

Part of the problem may be that peanuts aren't actually nuts - they're legumes.

Another problem a lot of people have with peanuts is that they're just so easy to eat handful after handful. They tend to be addictive at least in part because they're usually salted. Almonds aren't usually salted, so it's a little easier to quit when you're eating those.

Having said that, I don't particularly care for peanuts, but I sure can pack away the almonds when the mood strikes.

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by catzrule

*snort!

ETA: I can get in,it just takes FOREVER....

Same here.

[SMP]

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[SMP]

Originally Posted by OhYeahBabe

I wish! It was down for me, but when I tried again it was up. Something's up - their server is running so slow it times out. Must be the tech guys are still resting up from their exhausting turn at un-modeling the front page.

In case I replied before reading on further - oops! Anyway, there is no Kimkins.con. That is a subterfuge to avoid linking directly to her site. Change dot con to dot com and see if you can get there, Catzrule.

[BamaGal]

Originally Posted by SMP

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[WildAngel6]

Originally Posted by SMP

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