Why the fascination with Kimmer? #16

[BamaGal]

Originally Posted by mslilwatts

I liked the plan I was doing because after a few days I really wasn't hungry at all, i was just using food for fuel for my body. Food wasn't such an addiction for me anymore, rather a source for fuel.

My food choices weren't that limited, as I said, I wasn't exactly following it to a T. I was using low carb recipes I got from Linda's Low Carb Recipes (please dont' tell me you all hate her too Lol). I was eating quite a bit of veggies, most of my carbs came from veggies and eggs.

I was exercising, about 2 hours a day. I think that's a lot of what burned me out, I got tired of working out so much. This time around I'm trying to have a different perspective on it. I'm thinking of slow weight loss over time.

I have thought a lot about what you all have said, and I think I might do around 1000-1200 calories a day. Mabey 25 g. of carbs.

The only exercising I will be doing for now is walking. My mom is doing this with me and we are going to walk about a mile a day. I know its not much to start, but ive been sitting on my butt for a year so it's a lot more than I'm doing now.

Michelle even with the higher calorie counts you are still not getting enough food in---we have been force fed the idea for years that we must cut our calories to the bones to lose weight---that is just not the case

if they are too low your body has to get the nourishment from somewhere---it will go for the muscles ---

Take a look at Regina's blog--I posted the info yesterday

Regina's post about 5 simple rules---

she also has some posts buried in her blog about induction---really good info

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by Mayberryfan

Seems Kimmer's favorite co-conspirator is having a bit of difficulty, according to this bit Drakette sends from SL's journal:



You know, with spinning ability like this, perhaps SL has a future in political campaigns as a PR person.

Well, she'd better be prepared to go off and on KK for the rest of her life. She is finding that even a small slip up produces fast weight gain. Her metabolism must be in the tank.

[HoneyBee2]

I missed it, too, Honey Bee, so I'm glad you posted it again.

I'm glad you posted it too, HB! I took French in college (loooooong time ago) and I had NO idea!

Thanks girls! I read the screen name and thought "that has Heidi Diaz all over it"-
Especially, since she used the last name "Beauchamp" as an alias too.
I was surprised when T said it was Gary.
I mean Gary doesn't seem French at all. LOL

[Madam De Leon]

Originally Posted by mslilwatts

I liked the plan I was doing because after a few days I really wasn't hungry at all, i was just using food for fuel for my body. Food wasn't such an addiction for me anymore, rather a source for fuel.

My food choices weren't that limited, as I said, I wasn't exactly following it to a T. I was using low carb recipes I got from Linda's Low Carb Recipes (please dont' tell me you all hate her too Lol). I was eating quite a bit of veggies, most of my carbs came from veggies and eggs.

I was exercising, about 2 hours a day. I think that's a lot of what burned me out, I got tired of working out so much. This time around I'm trying to have a different perspective on it. I'm thinking of slow weight loss over time.

I have thought a lot about what you all have said, and I think I might do around 1000-1200 calories a day. Mabey 25 g. of carbs.

The only exercising I will be doing for now is walking. My mom is doing this with me and we are going to walk about a mile a day. I know its not much to start, but ive been sitting on my butt for a year so it's a lot more than I'm doing now.

The reason you weren't hungry doing kimkins (even with your tweaks) was because you were in a state called rabbit starvation. Kimmer calls it "real ketosis", but it's actually a dangerous starvation state. You weren't hungry because your body was trying to tell you to either eat more fats, more carbs, or not at all. (You can google rabbit starvation to find a better explanation of it - suffice it to say here that the Native Americans knew better than to eat only rabbit for more than a couple of days, because there wasn't enough fat in the rabbit meat, and they knew they would become very ill from it)

It does indeed sound like you were doing Atkins - and yes we do love Linda Sue and her recipes!

I'm still concerned about you wanting to go so low on your calories though, for the simple reason that at your weight, especially since you said you think you've gained it all back, that 1000-1200 isn't anywhere near your basal metabolic rate (BMR). BMR is the number of calories you'd use if all you did was lie in bed 24-7. All that amount does is to keep the organs functioning, and prevent muscle loss. If you are now somewhere in the range of 340 lbs, your BMR is at least 2000 calories. I wasn't sure what height and age to put into the BMR calculator, but you can use the BMR Calculator and do it yourself to find out what your absolute minimum daily calorie intake should be.

After you find out your minimum, then you factor in your activity level, using the Harris Benedict Equation. Now you're ready to figure out just how low in calories it's safe for you to go, without putting yourself back into starvation mode, where your body will conserve every calorie you put into it, as if you're starving to death. You can subtract 300-500 calories from that last number for weight loss calorie intake, but make sure you don't go under your BMR number. You can (and should!) recalculate these numbers periodically, as you lose weight.

Another thing I'd suggest reading (just so you understand approximately how the calories should be divided up) is Regina Wilshire's post called "5 Simple Rules". It is, as the title implies, a simplified way of making sure you take in enough calories, enough protein, enough fats, and most of your carbs in the form of veggies (for the very important phytonutrients they provide).

(I should add that what she suggests is not strictly Atkins, because she is allowing things like nuts and berries from day one, but that's because the person she originally wrote this for will be on induction level carbs for an extended time, and she was trying to provide enough variety to alleviate boredom, but you could take her suggestions and use them for more understanding of Atkins. Also, the suggestions to use only organic dairy and grass fed beef are financially and/or logistically not possible for many of us - I personally use regular beef, eggs, and dairy - but doing the best you can within the basic parameters of types of food intake is certainly better than the standard high carb diet)

I know you said Atkins didn't work for you when you tried it, but its' possible that you were eating below your BMR, and therefore your body was refusing to let go of any fat.

It's also possible that you were eating well above your calorie needs. Some of us (that would be me) take the admonition to be "unafraid of fat" and eating until satisfied waaaay too far, and need a bit more guidance as to how much is enough without being too much.

[Barbara B]

Originally Posted by Dottie

Haven't caught up yet but wanted to pop in and say

Hi Dottie! How are you doing?

[thetruthinhiding]

Today:
Kimmer: Laxatives #5 The TRUTH Starts Here
Yesterday:
Kimmer: Laxatives #6 The TRUTH Starts Here

I'll have one or two more coming to complete the series.

[Mayberryfan]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

I was surprised when T said it was Gary.
I mean Gary doesn't seem French at all. LOL

Ewwwwwwwww! Honey! Don't mention "Gary" and "French" in the same sentence anymore. Please!!!!!

[Barbara B]

Originally Posted by jeanessa

Okay, so, I am re-reading DANDR and wondering about moving on to OWL. So many people stay at Induction or Induction level carbs for the length of their weight loss. What do you all think is best? What happens when you move on to OWL?

I am not in a rush to lose weight. I just want to lose and be healthy, 1-2 pounds a week is fine with me.

Jeanessa, I know people who stayed on induction levels for their entire weight loss, but I don't think it's a good idea. Follow the book's instructions on adding carbs in 5 gram increments in the form of fresh veggies and/or berries. You will have a satisfying diet and get your phytonutrients as well.

[BamaGal]

Great Post Madam!!!

I love that 5 Simple Rules post from Regina.....

[tiggerr]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

Thanks girls! I read the screen name and thought "that has Heidi Diaz all over it"-
Especially, since she used the last name "Beauchamp" as an alias too.
I was surprised when T said it was Gary.
I mean Gary doesn't seem French at all. LOL

It is a very cleverly thought out name though.
Correctly written and all, it almost feels like the wearer is thumbing his/her nose at people aSSuming they'd never get it.

But Ducks know languages.....

[thetruthinhiding]

Originally Posted by Katinsac

Hey, where's YY been? No new updates on her blog....did Morgan wear her out? lol

Now look what you have done. Goaded YY into posting...

[tiggerr]

Kimmer:

You naturally lose muscle as you lose weight because you don’t need as much muscle to carry 125 lbs as 250 lbs.

My marathon coach would get a kick out of that one.

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by Madam De Leon

....[...]...It does indeed sound like you were doing Atkins - and yes we do love Linda Sue and her recipes!

I'm still concerned about you wanting to go so low on your calories though, for the simple reason that at your weight, especially since you said you think you've gained it all back, that 1000-1200 isn't anywhere near your basal metabolic rate (BMR). BMR is the number of calories you'd use if all you did was lie in bed 24-7. All that amount does is to keep the organs functioning, and prevent muscle loss. If you are now somewhere in the range of 340 lbs, your BMR is at least 2000 calories. I wasn't sure what height and age to put into the BMR calculator, but you can use the BMR Calculator and do it yourself to find out what your absolute minimum daily calorie intake should be.

After you find out your minimum, then you factor in your activity level, using the Harris Benedict Equation. Now you're ready to figure out just how low in calories it's safe for you to go, without putting yourself back into starvation mode, where your body will conserve every calorie you put into it, as if you're starving to death. You can subtract 300-500 calories from that last number for weight loss calorie intake, but make sure you don't go under your BMR number. You can (and should!) recalculate these numbers periodically, as you lose weight.
...[...]...

Excellent information in your post Madam.
-Yes, Linda Sue's website of recipes is one of the most well laid out one I have seen for lowcarb. It is very user friendly too! If someone has not seen it I highly recommend taking a look- Linda's Low Carb Menus & Recipes - Home

- Regarding the BMR- If one has a higher ratio of body fat, due to muscle loss while on kimkins or other starvation type diets, it would be less than the calculated BMR, right?
Do you know or does anyone know, the percentage at which the BMR should decrease in those cases?

[Barbara B]

Originally Posted by Amyb1569

Ladies...
Today is a hard day for Gran..she is seeing the specialist to discuss her operation. This is a very scary time for her. As many know she let me blog about this...so if you can show her your support. I think she needs to know she did the right thing.

Next I also blogged today about a camp member. Odd findings today after some very harsh PM were sent to some of us over there. After seeing I was the main focus of them..I went searching...and guess what...

Take a look at my sec blog entry for the day...

The very person who has been bashing Philip non stop in my blog comments and having me do trash duty daily..she is at camp and does not speak english....Huh?

Go visit my blog..if ya wanna hear more.

Oh my gosh, I am so sorry to hear about Gran to Angels. And even sorrier that I was not home at the time to help in the effort. I didn't get to read a PM until Monday morning.

AmyB, hon, sorry you have to deal with those kind of messages from an evil person.

[HoneyBee2]

But Ducks know languages.....

That's right! I even speak southern, redneck or white trash if other translation is needed.

Ewwwwwwwww! Honey! Don't mention "Gary" and "French" in the same sentence anymore. Please!!!!!

Why? Were you getting ::cough:: uncomfortable?....How 'bout cabana boy thrown in there with a Gary
Should I drag out the fake KK success stories and the pic of the guy in the speedo? It is always a crowd pleaser.........

[thetruthinhiding]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

Thanks for the info T-
Do you say that based on the IP that Amy had posted with the comment or based on the email addy or the screen name or how did you determine it was Gary?

Call it an educated guess. But I is very edumacated.

We have Gary's phone number if anyone wants to ask him if it was him.

[thetruthinhiding]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

That's right! I even speak southern, redneck or white trash if other translation is needed.

Why? Were you getting ::cough:: uncomfortable?....How 'bout cabana boy thrown in there with a Gary
Should I drag out the fake KK success stories and the pic of the guy in the speedo? It is always a crowd pleaser.........

Is Fontaine a French name? I think we all know the answer.

[Madam De Leon]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

Excellent information in your post Madam.
-Yes, Linda Sue's website of recipes is one of the most well laid out one I have seen for lowcarb. It is very user friendly too! If someone has not seen it I highly recommend taking a look- Linda's Low Carb Menus & Recipes - Home

- Regarding the BMR- If one has a higher ratio of body fat, due to muscle loss while on kimkins or other starvation type diets, it would be less than the calculated BMR, right?
Do you know or does anyone know, the percentage at which the BMR should decrease in those cases?

Oh wow... no, I don't know. I know that there are complex ways of figuring out just how much lean body mass you have (underwater weighing, calipers, and that sort of thing - I don't think the little hand held bodyfat calculators they commonly use at gyms are considered to be very accurate at all), but really, the online BMR calculator is the best place to start, because they're taking into account your height and age, and assumes that you won't have more than a certain amount of lean mass at that age/weight/height.

If you're simply not able to lose on that (and we're not talking about slow results, but no results at all), and have given your body plenty of time to repair a broken metabolism (using a nutrient dense diet, not the typical SAD diet), I would think that would be the time to look into a more accurate way of determining lean body mass - but then how to calculate the BMR from that would change, and you'd have to look into that separately.

[2big4mysize]

HB if you know your lean body or fat mass you can use the Katch McArdel formula to determine your minimum cal needs it is the same for guys and gals

BMR = 370 + (21.6 X lean mass in kg) The activity factor multilier is about the same for that formulas AMR as the HArris Bennidict one.

WOW soi SL is having trouble adding back carbs too.
Wonder if she too will follow Regina's advise from the Making it a healthy WOE if possible topic and forget about the scales as she eats to heal her body and once healing is accomplished then lower cals and do the weight loss phase of a medically correct not nutrtionally bankrupt plan to return to a healthy goal weight she can maintain for life. And that is why I love DANDR 2002 it has step by step from start to finsih and everything you could encounter from slight cheats off plan days to regains to stalls covered. I just do like Martin Luther and rip the offending chapter (James for him, chapter 18 Frankenfood induction for me) from my "bible"

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by thetruthinhiding

Is Fontaine a French name? I think we all know the answer.

See I was using my southern translator on that one and read it as -

Fontaine (pronounced Fon-Tainnnnn)- A reservoir or chamber containing a supply of liquid that can be siphoned off as needed.
As in- Y'all want sumphtin to drink from that there soda fontaine or drinking fontaine.




But no really I forgot Gary's last name was Fontaine... C'est la vie, Non?

[Cutie]

Originally Posted by thetruthinhiding

Now look what you have done. Goaded YY into posting...

thanks for the update...just went and checked it out.

on the post about the "ask kimmer" thread...did y'all see what mariasol suggested in the comments about kimmer's avi & stats should be changed?

i think that's a GREAT IDEA ...it's so misleading for new people reading that thread to keep seeing that--it WOULD be an eye-opener for them to see the "real" kimmer!

[jeanessa]

Originally Posted by Barbara B