Why the fascination with Kimmer? #16

[Mayberryfan]

Originally Posted by mslilwatts

Hi everyone. I think I'm fixing to start eating the Kimkins way again and hope I can join you all on here. I don't remember exactly what I'm supposed to eat. It's been about a year since I stopped eating like this due to severe depression and I went on depression medication. I had lost over 60 pounds in about 3 months on this plan. I have now gained it all back plus I don't know how much. I'm scared to step on a scale. Basically, Hi everyone. I need help Lol.

You'll love eating the KK way! Why who wouldn't love eating everyday when you get to have a generous finger-grab or two of lettuce, a couple of oz (make sure you weigh - lables lie) of chicken, turkey or fish, and a sugar-free jello - flavor of your choice.

ENJOY!

[mslilwatts]

Sorry I guess this wasn't the place to post about kimkins, it's been a long time and I don't know where people who follow that are. Sorry.

[2big4mysize]

mslilwatts I'd suggest you read kimkins.con for free to catch up on what has happened since you stopped so you will have an educated choice to make about following the plan.

[jeanessa]

Okay, so, I am re-reading DANDR and wondering about moving on to OWL. So many people stay at Induction or Induction level carbs for the length of their weight loss. What do you all think is best? What happens when you move on to OWL?

I am not in a rush to lose weight. I just want to lose and be healthy, 1-2 pounds a week is fine with me.

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by mslilwatts

Sorry I guess this wasn't the place to post about kimkins, it's been a long time and I don't know where people who follow that are. Sorry.

Michelle, I think it should be a big red flag to you that you gained it all back after doing KK. That is what happens to most people because KK and other extreme plans like it do not produce a sustainable weight loss. I advise that if you want to follow a low carb plan, find one written by people who have training - South Beach, Atkins, Protein Power - all these plans have a proven track record and were written by people who know what they are doing. If you will read through this and the other Kimmer threads, you'll learn that even Kimmer herself does not have success with this plan. It's a bad idea all the way around. Find something that works for you that you can sustain over the long haul. Kimkins is not such a plan.

[Madam De Leon]

Originally Posted by mslilwatts

Sorry I guess this wasn't the place to post about kimkins, it's been a long time and I don't know where people who follow that are. Sorry.

They're on the Kimkins site ($79.95 for a lifetime membership... at least whatever part of your lifetime Hidey decides is long enough), learning to starve themselves, developing eating disorders, laxative dependency, and multiple medical problems related to starvation.

Seriously.

Please go read some of the blogs, particularly Kimkins Survivors, so you have some idea what's really going on over there. It's not "just another diet". The weight loss is simply not sustainable, and the damage to your organs and muscles (including your heart) will be devastating.

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by jeanessa

Okay, so, I am re-reading DANDR and wondering about moving on to OWL. So many people stay at Induction or Induction level carbs for the length of their weight loss. What do you all think is best? What happens when you move on to OWL?

I am not in a rush to lose weight. I just want to lose and be healthy, 1-2 pounds a week is fine with me.

Jeanessa, I don't have DANDR, so can't look it up, but didn't he say you should add carbs 5 grams per week, working up the ladder until you stop losing, then back it off to the point where you start losing again? But I would recommend you do a full two week induction. At least that's what the original '72 book said to do.

[Mayberryfan]

Originally Posted by mslilwatts

Sorry I guess this wasn't the place to post about kimkins, it's been a long time and I don't know where people who follow that are. Sorry.

No, Michelle, I'm sorry! I thought your original post was tongue in cheek because of the LOL at the end. I didn't mean to sound so snarky to you. Please, listen to what the others have said. Kimkins is dangerous and SO not worth damaging your health. to try. It's kind of like taking up smoking to lose weight, you're just trading one problem for another. (sorry smokers!)

Anyway, please educate yourself before making this decision. If Heidi Kimmer Diaz can't stick to her own plan and lose, why would you???

[mslilwatts]

See I didn't exactly follow it like she says, I tweaked it to what worked for me. I didn't take laxatives and all that. I did eat cheese and stuff and ate a lot of veggies, I just tried to keep my calories around 8-900 a day. 20 g of carbs also from veggies. I never got into the exact kimkins thing. I'm reading what I can but there is a lot of things to get through Im guessing Lol.

[jeanessa]

Originally Posted by Magicsmom

Jeanessa, I don't have DANDR, so can't look it up, but didn't he say you should add carbs 5 grams per week, working up the ladder until you stop losing, then back it off to the point where you start losing again? But I would recommend you do a full two week induction. At least that's what the original '72 book said to do.

Yes, I believe you do add 5 carbs a week until you stop losing.

I am planning to complete the two week induction, but I do better when I plan things, so I am reading ahead in DANDR and trying to figure out how OWL works now so that I'll be prepared when I get there!

ETA: I'm going to go poke around the Atkins thread and read up on other people's experiences with OWL.

[mslilwatts]

It did work for me, the way I was eating. I never hit a stall or anything. I know Atkins doesn't work for me because I tried that before. I only gained back because I quit all together when I got depressed.

[2big4mysize]

Jeanessa Dr Atkins says in DANDR that folk who work all 4 phases of his plan have the least issues getting to and sttaying goalies.

think about it like building a house you need a strong foundation ( induction) but you also need framing ( OWL) and roofing trusses ( oremaintnenance) before you can move in at goal and add the finishing touches.

OL is the great food experiment where one is both the experiementor and the experimentee. You will be testing to see what your individual total carb limit is for losing plus you will be testing food groups to see if you personally have any issues with them from weigthloss to cravings with intolerances stuck in there too in a very controlled 5 grams of carbs incriments. think of the food groups as the building materials and the 5 grams as the needed size somew folk build a mansion with hundreds of foods in there and other pick a few from each level and build a small easy for them to cook and shop for cabin. BUT whatever your floor plan is it is yours and needs to fit your life time of maintaining so go slow and test foods on each level before you move to the next. If you don't have 2002 DANDR now would be a good time to go to your lib and check it out cause chapter 14 explains well OWL.

If you don't have

[Madam De Leon]

Originally Posted by Magicsmom

Jeanessa, I don't have DANDR, so can't look it up, but didn't he say you should add carbs 5 grams per week, working up the ladder until you stop losing, then back it off to the point where you start losing again? But I would recommend you do a full two week induction. At least that's what the original '72 book said to do.

2002 says 2 weeks too. Then add 5 g carbs each week until you reach an acceptable weight loss speed...

He does leave the option open to stay at induction for an extended time if you have a good bit of weight to lose though.

[2big4mysize]

it isn't set in stone move rungs every week you can sit and squat ona rung and do a slow test of all the foods on it you want to use if you like or you can race to the top if you want but do climb the ladder and feel free to skip rungs if you never plan to include that food type in your lifestyle either because of food allergies or preferences.

[OhYeahBabe]

Originally Posted by mslilwatts

It did work for me, the way I was eating. I never hit a stall or anything. I know Atkins doesn't work for me because I tried that before. I only gained back because I quit all together when I got depressed.

Have you considered that the Kimkins diet may have caused your depression?

I wish you well - which means I also wish you would not do Kimkins! And I wish you wouldn't tweak Kimkins to be healthier than Kimkins is but still call it Kimkins - that's a pet peeve of mine!

Good luck!

[jeanessa]

2big - thanks so much, great wording! I do have DANDR and am reading it like crazy, but some things don't click until you talk about them. Plus, hearing about real world experiences makes me feel more...secure? I will read more and ask a ton more questions, I'm sure.

Madam - I am debating on whether to stay at induction level carbs or up mine on 5/3 when I am done with my two weeks. I still haven't decided because I don't really know the pros and cons.

I know the last time that I did Atkins, I was in an all-fired rush to lose the weight. But I've gotten pretty comfortable being big, it doesn't bother me like it used to...so, I am more focused on health, clear-thinking and sanity this time around.

[2big4mysize]

Originally Posted by jeanessa

2big - thanks so much, great wording! I do have DANDR and reading it like crazy, but some things don't click until you talk about them. Plus, hearing about real world experiences makes me feel more...secure? I will read more and ask a ton more questions, I'm sure.

Madam - I am debating on whether to stay at induction level carbs or up mine on 5/3 when I am done with my two weeks. I still haven't decided because I don't really know the pros and cons.

I know the last time that did Atkins, I was in an all-fired rush to lose the weight. But I've gotten pretty comfortable being big, it doesn't bother me like it used to...so, I am more focused on health, clear-thinking and sanity this time around.

when your 14 days are up read chapter 13 and honestly answer those questions. they will tell you if you should do an extended induction or move to OWL I used them daily and when the "want other foods" question was yes I moved to OWL and climbed the ladder so I could have that low carb bread i thought I wanted. too many folk stay on induction get bored with the foods and jump off and don't get back on till lots of pounds have reaapeared.
Weight loss will slow down whether you stay on induction levels or move to OWL compared to the initial 14 days average weight loss BUT you will be shrinking your body shedding body fat as you become the healtheir smaller you. So pick what fits your life style best and do it.

The only restriction is we have to move to pre when we have 5-10 pounds left to lose so I'd say you need to move to OWl before you get to that point.
AND it is the practicing of eating in a controlled carb on plan styel that will help you stay a goalie when you get to goal cause you will know from months of eati8ng on plan what foods effect you and what the carb count is in your head and what your limit is and how many you need to save for dinner etc folk were laughing at me when i jump off plan and was still keeping a running carb count in my head of the carb total I was consuming but having done Atkins for 22 months beforhand had conditioned me to be counting carbs so even the high carb off plan foods got counted.

[Cutie]

Originally Posted by LChottie07

Soooo... I wonder how fast the color would drain from Heidi's face if she saw me strolling down the Strip towards her in July..... I envision a "Showdown At the O.K. Corral" kind of a scene... complete with tumbleweed and dust blowing across the strip. LOL Can you hear the music now?

*checks calendar to see how busy july is looking*

hmm.

[Madam De Leon]

Originally Posted by OhYeahBabe

Have you considered that the Kimkins diet may have caused your depression?

I wish you well - which means I also wish you would not do Kimkins! And I wish you wouldn't tweak Kimkins to be healthier than Kimkins is but still call it Kimkins - that's a pet peeve of mine!

Good luck!

I was about to say the same thing.

Remember, in Kimmer's own words, if you tweak it, don't call it Kimkins!



Before you re-start such low calorie levels, ask yourself this: Are you willing to eat in such a restricted manner, at such low calorie levels, every single day for the rest of your life? If not, then you will gain it back - it's inevitable, especially as the body starts crying out for the nutrients which are so sorely lacking on Kimkins.

I would strongly recommend that you NOT eat below your Basal Metabolic Rate (BMR). If you have problems losing at that calorie level, then you've damaged your metabolism. It can be repaired, and you can lose on a much higher calorie level, but you need to give it time to heal first.

[Nady]

Originally Posted by LChottie07

Soooo... I wonder how fast the color would drain from Heidi's face if she saw me strolling down the Strip towards her in July..... I envision a "Showdown At the O.K. Corral" kind of a scene... complete with tumbleweed and dust blowing across the strip. LOL Can you hear the music now?

I hear it~ I hear it!!

In front of the MGM~

YouTube - The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly Opening

I can just see it!
Of course, you know you're the good, Heidi is the bad and the diet is just ugly!
~~~N

[thetruthinhiding]

Originally Posted by thetruthinhiding

Morning. I find myself wanting to blog about "Where in the world is Laurala?" Is she banned after leaving the front page at KK? Did she, like so many, do an ID switch? I have some thoughts, and want to hear from her friends. Look for a post when mI get some time.

I am satisfied that Laura, formerly of KK front page has had her password at least temporarily changed by Heidi so she cannot access the site. Frankly, I wish Laura well with her eating, and her life away from Heidi. I can hope that she realizes that she is better off now, and things will get better the longer she is away. I hope she is surrounded with wise and caring friends that can advise her on the difficulties she must be experiencing. The blog is at her disposal if she ever wants to tell her story, but unless/until that happens, I'll not mention her again. Good Luck Laura!

[thetruthinhiding]

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[jeanessa]

2Big - thanks again for the advice! Sounds good! I feel a bit clearer having read your words. I'll let you know what I decide when I decide it. Right now, I am thinking that I just may go home, fix dinner and go to bed early, I am feeling a bit run down and tired.

But this is Day 3 of induction and I am not feeling shaky or nauseous and I don't have a headache, so who am I to complain!